outlook has had this feature for ages, strangely hidden behind the "View" menu. try it out View -> By Conversation Topic
as a side note, has anyone actually had a look at Outlook 2003? Office 2003 is like Office XP with chunky toolbars, except for Outlook. MS have put a lot of work into Outook 2003, you should have a look at it, its not that bad!
one of the things i've noticed with the (dear me) evolution of Evolution is that when it originally reared its head it was almost a complete copy of Outlook from a UI point of view.
the version that comes with XD2 seems to have begun a move away from Outlook. and i'm debating in my mind if this is a good thing or not. surely the "switch"-like campaign would favour apps that looked and behaved more like MS apps for the sake of familiarity when moving across to a new environment. obviously the bad side of this is the whole innovation-stiffling argument that if one just mimicks Microsoft behaviour, what benefit other than cost is being added?
anyway, i would be in a better position to speak once actually having given it a test - but the UI on those screenshots seems a lot LESS intuitive than i've seen in previous releases. a few examples:
it may seem obvious to a geek, but what is "Local"? and how does that differ from "On This Computer" in the tasks screenshot? also, what the heck is the "Component" button at the bottom there? and why do the buttons at the bottom there look so ugle. the ones on Tasks have icons, those don't. basically inconsistent UI.
i understand that this is a dev. release, but it seems silly to me to ignore UI in a odd release while developing the functionality and then maybe coming back to it in the following release. the way a user interacts with software should be considered throughout a development cycle as interaction changes can often lead to large programming changes.
i assume you ran this a while ago. i tried it on winXP and after it gathers icons and bitmaps it just blows up. 3dtop.com doesn't appear to exist properly anymore. its a shame, i would loved to have seen this running.
local admin password = blank. the number of companies i've worked in that failed to set local account passwords is frightening. although if your shared knowledge (network data) is well protected with ACLs this isn't as much of a threat as one would expect.
i'm not sure i entirely agree with your sentiment. i friend of mine is a total maths genius. many a time i have watched him explain a complex mathematical principle to someone who doesn't quite understand it. he breaks it down into the most basic of explanations and i have never seen anyone leave his company without understanding the problem they took to him.
a brilliant author can write as elegant a paper without having to make it complex to read. brilliance is not only a measure of your thoughts, but equally - if not more so - a measure of how your thoughts are articulated for consumption.
oh, it said "designate"... you know sometimes when a word just sounds and looks wrong?! i wonder if thats because his sentence:
"Let me speak for the sake of simplicity of vegetal memory in order to designate books" could quite easily have read "For the sake of simplicity let us assume that books are made from paper" or something.
"We have also known another kind of memory, the vegetal one, the one represented by the first papyruses, again well known in this country, and then on books, made of paper. Let me disregard the fact that at a certain moment the vellum of the first codices were of an organic origin, and the fact that the first paper was made with rugs and not with wood. Let me speak for the sake of simplicity of vegetal memory in order to designate books."
i'm all for good english, but some people are really so far up their own asses that they have to write content that you need a frikking dictionary open at all times to read!
DRM benefit scenario: i invent something, a WonderWidget. i have a group of individuals with who i have shared my thought and ideas - say for marketing and manufacturing. i have a certain level of trust established with these individuals, but that trust is not absolute. also, that trust cannot extend to their peers.
so say i use PGP or something to encrypt my communications. once that Word document or whatever piece of content is outside of the PGP envelope, it is unencrypted. however, if the content itself was encrypted or locked and could only be viewed on a particular machine (or by a particular user identifyer) then my level of trust is more enforceable with such a solution.
everone seems to think that DRM is purely related to MP3 and the RIAA and so assume it is a bad thing. my example could even extend to internal "chinese walls" within large organisations - and so DRM should not be conisdered to be this evil MS wants to take over the world thing; there is indeed benefit derived from DRM and i think it is a good thing if it can be taken further away from a software level to prevent circumvention.
oh come on! "but I'm ever so happy the matrix-within-a-matrix theories were unfounded."
i specifically didn't click on the goddam link, and then that sentence caught my eye. you twats!
(clearly not amused)
please, the mobile phone market has been having price wars for years - are you trying to tell me that mobile phones are going away as well then? or internet connectivity for that matter?
i'm sure VOIP will follow both those trends by consolidation and purchasing to form some BIGVOIPS who can utilise larger user bases to generate profit of volume of calls rather than the small guys making slim margins with fewer clients.
i don't know if this has been reported on/. yet. basically what its saying is that RH is dropping RH Linux in favour of Entperise and a "developer" version called Fedora.
funnily enough, i was thinking "oh, interesting. that leaves someone to pickup and seriously evolve the desktop platform if they decided not to concentrate on the server environment". then i refreshed slashdot and saw this SUSE news!
personally i think this is terrific. novell have excellent experience in the enterprise market from NetWare and their directory services. hopefully they can start to penetrate the desktop.
it sounds to me as if RH will find its place in the "appliance" market for such things as storage, web applications and security (system infrastructure) and SUSE/Novell will be well positioned for user-based infrastructure such as directory services, groupware and the desktop.
maybe his excuse was a load of bollocks and the real reason he stopped blogging was so that his web site didn't fill up with a bunch of "pattern recognition sucks" postings.
seriously, a little OT, but did anyone think that book was any good at all? i thought his writing style had matured quite a lot, but the content and the plot left a lot to be desired.
i doubt it. i'm quite sure i read somewhere that apple OEM some OS/software for the iPod. although i've been googling for the last 5 minutes without being able to find out from who.
"I'm sure there's an answer to this question, and it's probably, "Because my moron boss runs Microsoft Exchange servers and we have to use Outlook with them." Fine. But just because your boss is a moron doesn't mean you need to be one at home. Unless you have a tiny penis and/or breasts, want to look at lots of porn, need a new mortgage to finance Viagra purchases, and love to help Nigerians (and others) con you out of your hard-earned, you should get rid of Outlook or Outlook Express NOW and get a sensible email program, hopefully one like Mozilla that has easy-to-configure spam filtering built in. "
firstly, what was the need for the penis/tits/porn/viagra comments?
secondly, what's with calling a boss stupid because they use exchange? i'm sorry, but i've been a dual linux (home) and windows (work) user since 1997 and there is no open source (ie. free - because Rob has to have everything for free) groupware solution that comes close to MS Exchange for sharing calendars ( scheduling meetings with others). we work, like many large corporates do, in a multi-site environment where we need to schedule conference calls across both locations and time zones. i know there are a number of web-based solutions such as TWIG that can do this sort of thing. but NOTHING compares to the user experience of Exchange/Outlook for this sort of thing. (PS. Kudos to Ximian for building a fantatic email client with Exchange integration - now only if you can give us a server! oh wait, groupwise...)
i'm also quite curious about his whole "installation is easy" on linux. windows there is ONE way to do things, you download an installer, you double click it (if you have correct registry permission - so his point about root access is moot in a corporate policy-driven environment) and it installs. with later versions of RH (dunno about SUSE), sure you can do this with an RPM - but first you have to find the bloody RPM for the correct platform. then you have to choose what sort of RPM you want. static linked glibc blah blah blah. then you install the RPM and, where is your menu item? where is your desktop shortcut? the amount of times i have to create my own shortcuts in gnome for RPMs i've just installed! ARGH.
then there are TAR balls! now, if you want the latest and greatest, you have to use the TAR ball.
case in point, i recently wanted to patch my SSHD owing to the most recently exploit. i has the stock standard out the box RH9 RPM. was there a patched RPM available for RH9 yet? no. so i had to get down the tar balls and make them myself. no problem for me - problem for the less advanced user. actually, wait, problem for me. my sshd didn't start correctly the next time!! luckily i had a screen session open to the box so i could make some changes to the config file. yeah, easy install process...
then there was this:
"The bottom panel on my KDE desktop is filled with icons for my 'daily use' applications. No matter how covered my screen is with applications windows (and it is almost always fully covered), I can click on a panel icon and open a new app. I haven't figured out how to put app icons on the Windows bottom panel. I don't even know if it can be done. Perhaps it can only be done by smart Windows geeks, but not by simple-minded Linux people like me. "
what, you couldn't drag and drop an icon from your start menu onto your quicklink bar?
and this:
"When I want to find out the day and date, or check a date a few months ahead, I'm used to clicking on my little KDE clock and having a calendar pop up for me. I can't seem to do this in Windows, even though I've tried. Again, this may be a feature only super-geeks can can use in Windows that is hidden from us ordinary desktop people. " er, double click on your windows clock? i mean, come on - you couldn't figure that one out IN A WEEK?
basically this whole "review" is about a total linux advocate running something he hat
clearly he hasn't used RH 9 recently. in GUI mode you cannot just select text and hey presto its in the clipboard.
i used to find this annoying (at times). often i'll highlight a bit of text in a console to distinguish it and read it - i did NOT want it copied over what was previously in my clipboard.
and i cannot make head or tail of that. it should read "uber linux haxx0r geek readable". could someone please explain - in lamens terms, which one i should be using to stream my avi's off to my xbox (www.xboxmediaplayer.de) using SMB shares?;)
do we assume then that if apple were as big as M$ that they wouldn't be evil and monopolistic? that quite an assumption if you consider the nature of capitalism...
why not educate them WHILE THEY ARE BEING EDUCATED??!?!??! sure you can learn anything later on in life, but if they use computers as a medium for studying - they won't have to be taught separately. also if you learn with them from the time you are young (like i have done) you will be far more knowledgable about how they work than your grandfather ever will be.
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cultish nature? what like all gathering in a church and singing songs out of a book and listening to a preacher tell you how to live your life?
come on mate. evolution happened. the big bang happened. wake up and smell the agnosticism!
yeah, he asks his programmers :P
*runs*
outlook has had this feature for ages, strangely hidden behind the "View" menu. try it out View -> By Conversation Topic
as a side note, has anyone actually had a look at Outlook 2003? Office 2003 is like Office XP with chunky toolbars, except for Outlook. MS have put a lot of work into Outook 2003, you should have a look at it, its not that bad!
one of the things i've noticed with the (dear me) evolution of Evolution is that when it originally reared its head it was almost a complete copy of Outlook from a UI point of view.
the version that comes with XD2 seems to have begun a move away from Outlook. and i'm debating in my mind if this is a good thing or not. surely the "switch"-like campaign would favour apps that looked and behaved more like MS apps for the sake of familiarity when moving across to a new environment. obviously the bad side of this is the whole innovation-stiffling argument that if one just mimicks Microsoft behaviour, what benefit other than cost is being added?
anyway, i would be in a better position to speak once actually having given it a test - but the UI on those screenshots seems a lot LESS intuitive than i've seen in previous releases. a few examples:
Calendar
it may seem obvious to a geek, but what is "Local"? and how does that differ from "On This Computer" in the tasks screenshot? also, what the heck is the "Component" button at the bottom there? and why do the buttons at the bottom there look so ugle. the ones on Tasks have icons, those don't. basically inconsistent UI.
i understand that this is a dev. release, but it seems silly to me to ignore UI in a odd release while developing the functionality and then maybe coming back to it in the following release. the way a user interacts with software should be considered throughout a development cycle as interaction changes can often lead to large programming changes.
i assume you ran this a while ago. i tried it on winXP and after it gathers icons and bitmaps it just blows up. 3dtop.com doesn't appear to exist properly anymore. its a shame, i would loved to have seen this running.
i think you'll find thats "...friend looks" like..."
just observing...
local admin password = blank. the number of companies i've worked in that failed to set local account passwords is frightening. although if your shared knowledge (network data) is well protected with ACLs this isn't as much of a threat as one would expect.
i'm not sure i entirely agree with your sentiment. i friend of mine is a total maths genius. many a time i have watched him explain a complex mathematical principle to someone who doesn't quite understand it. he breaks it down into the most basic of explanations and i have never seen anyone leave his company without understanding the problem they took to him.
a brilliant author can write as elegant a paper without having to make it complex to read. brilliance is not only a measure of your thoughts, but equally - if not more so - a measure of how your thoughts are articulated for consumption.
oh, it said "designate"... you know sometimes when a word just sounds and looks wrong?! i wonder if thats because his sentence:
"Let me speak for the sake of simplicity of vegetal memory in order to designate books" could quite easily have read "For the sake of simplicity let us assume that books are made from paper" or something.
"We have also known another kind of memory, the vegetal one, the one represented by the first papyruses, again well known in this country, and then on books, made of paper. Let me disregard the fact that at a certain moment the vellum of the first codices were of an organic origin, and the fact that the first paper was made with rugs and not with wood. Let me speak for the sake of simplicity of vegetal memory in order to designate books."
i'm all for good english, but some people are really so far up their own asses that they have to write content that you need a frikking dictionary open at all times to read!
DRM benefit scenario:
i invent something, a WonderWidget. i have a group of individuals with who i have shared my thought and ideas - say for marketing and manufacturing. i have a certain level of trust established with these individuals, but that trust is not absolute. also, that trust cannot extend to their peers.
so say i use PGP or something to encrypt my communications. once that Word document or whatever piece of content is outside of the PGP envelope, it is unencrypted. however, if the content itself was encrypted or locked and could only be viewed on a particular machine (or by a particular user identifyer) then my level of trust is more enforceable with such a solution.
everone seems to think that DRM is purely related to MP3 and the RIAA and so assume it is a bad thing. my example could even extend to internal "chinese walls" within large organisations - and so DRM should not be conisdered to be this evil MS wants to take over the world thing; there is indeed benefit derived from DRM and i think it is a good thing if it can be taken further away from a software level to prevent circumvention.
is something like TCP/IP not part of the "foundation" upon which computing is depedant these days?
oh come on!
"but I'm ever so happy the matrix-within-a-matrix theories were unfounded."
i specifically didn't click on the goddam link, and then that sentence caught my eye. you twats! (clearly not amused)
please, the mobile phone market has been having price wars for years - are you trying to tell me that mobile phones are going away as well then? or internet connectivity for that matter?
i'm sure VOIP will follow both those trends by consolidation and purchasing to form some BIGVOIPS who can utilise larger user bases to generate profit of volume of calls rather than the small guys making slim margins with fewer clients.
i don't know if this has been reported on /. yet. basically what its saying is that RH is dropping RH Linux in favour of Entperise and a "developer" version called Fedora.
funnily enough, i was thinking "oh, interesting. that leaves someone to pickup and seriously evolve the desktop platform if they decided not to concentrate on the server environment". then i refreshed slashdot and saw this SUSE news!
personally i think this is terrific. novell have excellent experience in the enterprise market from NetWare and their directory services. hopefully they can start to penetrate the desktop.
it sounds to me as if RH will find its place in the "appliance" market for such things as storage, web applications and security (system infrastructure) and SUSE/Novell will be well positioned for user-based infrastructure such as directory services, groupware and the desktop.
maybe his excuse was a load of bollocks and the real reason he stopped blogging was so that his web site didn't fill up with a bunch of "pattern recognition sucks" postings.
seriously, a little OT, but did anyone think that book was any good at all? i thought his writing style had matured quite a lot, but the content and the plot left a lot to be desired.
i doubt it. i'm quite sure i read somewhere that apple OEM some OS/software for the iPod. although i've been googling for the last 5 minutes without being able to find out from who.
looking at the screenshots, dell appears to have licensed the same OS that apple has for the Dell DJ. apple must be a bit annoyed about that one!
"secret sauce"
well substantiated, keep it up.
sorry, big rant coming up!!
/viagra comments?
"I'm sure there's an answer to this question, and it's probably, "Because my moron boss runs Microsoft Exchange servers and we have to use Outlook with them." Fine. But just because your boss is a moron doesn't mean you need to be one at home. Unless you have a tiny penis and/or breasts, want to look at lots of porn, need a new mortgage to finance Viagra purchases, and love to help Nigerians (and others) con you out of your hard-earned, you should get rid of Outlook or Outlook Express NOW and get a sensible email program, hopefully one like Mozilla that has easy-to-configure spam filtering built in. "
firstly, what was the need for the penis/tits/porn
secondly, what's with calling a boss stupid because they use exchange? i'm sorry, but i've been a dual linux (home) and windows (work) user since 1997 and there is no open source (ie. free - because Rob has to have everything for free) groupware solution that comes close to MS Exchange for sharing calendars ( scheduling meetings with others). we work, like many large corporates do, in a multi-site environment where we need to schedule conference calls across both locations and time zones. i know there are a number of web-based solutions such as TWIG that can do this sort of thing. but NOTHING compares to the user experience of Exchange/Outlook for this sort of thing. (PS. Kudos to Ximian for building a fantatic email client with Exchange integration - now only if you can give us a server! oh wait, groupwise...)
i'm also quite curious about his whole "installation is easy" on linux. windows there is ONE way to do things, you download an installer, you double click it (if you have correct registry permission - so his point about root access is moot in a corporate policy-driven environment) and it installs. with later versions of RH (dunno about SUSE), sure you can do this with an RPM - but first you have to find the bloody RPM for the correct platform. then you have to choose what sort of RPM you want. static linked glibc blah blah blah. then you install the RPM and, where is your menu item? where is your desktop shortcut? the amount of times i have to create my own shortcuts in gnome for RPMs i've just installed! ARGH.
then there are TAR balls! now, if you want the latest and greatest, you have to use the TAR ball. case in point, i recently wanted to patch my SSHD owing to the most recently exploit. i has the stock standard out the box RH9 RPM. was there a patched RPM available for RH9 yet? no. so i had to get down the tar balls and make them myself. no problem for me - problem for the less advanced user. actually, wait, problem for me. my sshd didn't start correctly the next time!! luckily i had a screen session open to the box so i could make some changes to the config file. yeah, easy install process...
then there was this:
"The bottom panel on my KDE desktop is filled with icons for my 'daily use' applications. No matter how covered my screen is with applications windows (and it is almost always fully covered), I can click on a panel icon and open a new app. I haven't figured out how to put app icons on the Windows bottom panel. I don't even know if it can be done. Perhaps it can only be done by smart Windows geeks, but not by simple-minded Linux people like me. "
what, you couldn't drag and drop an icon from your start menu onto your quicklink bar?
and this:
"When I want to find out the day and date, or check a date a few months ahead, I'm used to clicking on my little KDE clock and having a calendar pop up for me. I can't seem to do this in Windows, even though I've tried. Again, this may be a feature only super-geeks can can use in Windows that is hidden from us ordinary desktop people. "
er, double click on your windows clock? i mean, come on - you couldn't figure that one out IN A WEEK?
basically this whole "review" is about a total linux advocate running something he hat
clearly he hasn't used RH 9 recently. in GUI mode you cannot just select text and hey presto its in the clipboard.
i used to find this annoying (at times). often i'll highlight a bit of text in a console to distinguish it and read it - i did NOT want it copied over what was previously in my clipboard.
unfortunately xbmp doesn't have nfs support :(
and i cannot make head or tail of that. it should read "uber linux haxx0r geek readable". could someone please explain - in lamens terms, which one i should be using to stream my avi's off to my xbox (www.xboxmediaplayer.de) using SMB shares? ;)
do we assume then that if apple were as big as M$ that they wouldn't be evil and monopolistic? that quite an assumption if you consider the nature of capitalism...
why not educate them WHILE THEY ARE BEING EDUCATED??!?!??! sure you can learn anything later on in life, but if they use computers as a medium for studying - they won't have to be taught separately. also if you learn with them from the time you are young (like i have done) you will be far more knowledgable about how they work than your grandfather ever will be.