I worked with networking code in IPSO for some time on the P022 machines and found it a rather nice thing to work with. It is sturdy and does its job well. If there are internal struggles to actually replace it with a newer OS I do not understand why there is no opinion to move it to a NetBSD or FreeBSD and why linux ? Any definite advantages ?
1. Linux is just a kernel, nothing more. So for all practical purposes most of the fanboys out there using 'linux' and loving 'linux' are probably ending up loving the latest version of KDE, or gnome or the nifty new GNU tools and not linux. Full power of linux ? So if you consider all the gui stuff and nifty userland tools that you are using, you are hardly getting the 'full power of linux'
2. Getting a different base kernel over the rocking GNU tools and environments for me is always cool. It is choice that I am getting. I will certainly try it out on an x86 machine, and if the kernel source is included, I would love to look through the design of the thing. Everybody loves tearing opening that shrink wrap from the latest gizmo.
3. Sun has been pushing out some great publicity stuff wrt. Solaris 10 and how it 'screams'. I sure would like to check that out. I also would be very interested to see whether my bluetooth dongle or usb mass storage device will work with it or not. If it does not, it is less ready than linux for the desktop.
4. I always thought that the linux kernel was a bit convoluted and unreadable compared to the BSD kernel. ( I have worked in the NetBSD and FreeBSD and Linux kernels ) I would love to have an opportunity to look into a new kernel and see how well it has been written and whether I can consider it a viable OS to suggest to my PHB for my next project, if it fits in there.
So, if someone out there is pushing across the new kernel in a familiar looking distro, I am certainly all for it. To sum it up, I think everybody stands to gain. The developer (choice) the user (choice again) and Sun (publicity). Hurrah for Open Source !
Firstly I would like to say that I totally agree with you. I am a citizen of a country which does have the freedom of speech and expression as a part of our constitution. However putting it into a constitution does not always ensure that happening. The nation has to be fiercely possesive about it. I think it is good to be illogical about a few things. The freedom of speech and expression is one of those things. Nobody should take a relative view of it. It is absolute. Once you start doing that you start to slip and suddenly you are in a place you never wanted to be in. As they say -- The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
And what of the poor terrorists who are incidentally paying for the bandwidth too ? I am not trolling or flamebaiting -- all I am saying is that censorship is not a part of a free society -- disagreement is.
Well.. that is where I would fundamentally disagree with you. When I spend some money to buy an operating system I would not expect it to just show me a pretty screen and what files I have on my hard disk. I personally think that when I purchase an OS, I would want that OS to add value to the hardware by converting my hardware into a tool. That is where I really do not value windows. The OS does not give you anything at all. It is like buying a car which has an engine and runs well (in short spurts, I may add) but the steering wheel and the brake pedal are accessories which have to be purchased at an extra cost. My take is that if I PAY for base OS should have a set of tools word processor/spreadsheet/browser so that I can actually use my computer after I have purchased the OS, and not play with pretty buttons. Otherwise give it to me for free. (as in beer)
Really ? Your logic has left me a bit speechless. I guess the next thing you are going to say is that because in India, ( Japan and Britain too I think ) people drive on the left, all Indians, Brits and Japanese visiting USA should drive on the left too, on American roads... I really love it when we self styled geeks think that putting C logical operators in their conversations somehow makes their point stronger.
How does this post get an insightful moderation ? I am really really interested to know as to how havin g no software patents will effect the "outsourcing revenue stream". It has become a trend on/. to link India and outsourcing, and something about stealing jobs, whatever the pretext might be. I have no problems with people talking about and raving against outsourcing -- this is a free forum. However I am certainly against senseless talk.
mmm.. actually, the whole requirement for automation was because you did not have an interface which I just defined. Now give me a script which changes cds for me and then I will consider that automation being better than this.
You can do what I do these days-- Use the konqueror + kio_audiocd combo. Really smooth. All you have to do is to insert the audio cd and browse it using konquerer ( audiocd:// ) You will actually see an ogg directory. All that is to be done is a simple drag and drop. You wont have to do any scripting. All you have to do is insert your CD and remove it. Redefines the whole ripping experience. I repeat -- Smooth.
I would disagree with you on that one. I have worked on a project where we used a x86 board running the configuration plane for a router/switch and used Intel Based Network Processosr for the data path/switching function. Yeah it had the works -- Throughput, Expansion slots. Now the catch is that we were running our tweaked version of NetBSD on the x86 control plane, which was running the routing daemons. So if there is a BSD licenced BGP out there, it is possible to deploy it on the above mentioned box. So my point is that we actually have rather fancy boxes out there running *BSD.
I really do not agree with that. A smart phone IS a very useful tool if you you actually NEED it. One has to exactly know why one is purchasing the phone. If you do not and you still are purchasing a smart phone you are not a very smart person. This is how I use my phone. FYI I use a gaming console + smartphone combo
-- I have a few mp3s on it which I can hear when I commuting to work -- I sync my calendar/todo with my phone so I exactly know whether I can turn up late for work or not and am in sync with the whole day when I start for work -- I play games on it (including FPS) -- I use my XHTML browser/GPRS to check my webmail and also catch up on the cricket scores when I am on the move
As far as I go. my smart phone serves as my mp3 player, my PDA, a web browser and a game deck. It actually benefits me and I think smart phones are good things.
Take a look at CVSDude. It is probably what you need. Offers public subversion and cvs servers. The premium service offers your needs for privacy too. Might be useful for you.
Well I can answer that for one. Old school hackers need the steak and the beer on the table too and microsoft pays pretty well. I guess would be thankful if some of the old school hackers got into microsoft and did something about their software.
I know I might sound a bit crabby ( I am getting old) but what the hell ? We have had latex/xfig for ages on unix/linux/*BSD now. It produces the prettiest documents without all that horrible GUI. We might be screaming ourselves hoarse about how computer literate/savvy and what not we are but when it comes to actually using unix based tools, we go pffft...
Honestly, Koffice is a bad tool. About 2 years ago. The last time I used it, it would crash with the every second thing I typed in. After that I pretty much dont use it. In fact I pretty much dont install it. The problem is that we are ( although a large number of people who think they use unix will scream ) trying very hard to make unix-windows. I used to think that people at/. would not be pretty much interested in Koffice -- there is latex and if you want wysiwig, you have lyx. Well but sadly, the so called unix geeks run unix because it gives them a feel good geek feeling.. that is all. They do not use unix because of the advantages of unix, they use unix because it is so cool...
Has anybody ACTUALLY tried documentation on unix before they go ooh and aah about OO and Koffice ? I really dont think so. If we actually are the developer/IT/unix community that we so vociferously say that we are, and were actually using unix in our day to day work, we would not have been using Koffice. I think a large number of people on this forum use unix as a web browser -- that is all.
The latex/xfig combination has been serving me perfectly for some time now. Apart from using them for normal day to day activities, I use them for development documentation also. It produces extremely high quality documents and of the things I like about it is that I can version my documents effectively in CVS. It can also be used to make presentations. That leaves the spreadsheet stuff... go and use anything.. OO ( is my choice )
But please please please, you new-unix-kids-on-the-block try and pick up some unix first before going linux-is-oh-so-cool....
I had been using linux from about 1996. I switched in 2001 to FreeBSD. My reasons for switching neither very emotional or philosophical. Reasons for switch.
1. With linux , my X would at times hang up really bad. I do not know whether that problem exists or not now though... 2. I like the ports collection. Very handy. Just had to do a install clean and viola ! 3. I loved the kernel source code organization and being one of those uselessly-browse-kernel-source-to-verify-behavior- of-the-system types, I found freebsd better suited. 4. I used to use latex for documentation and netscape for the web and so did not really need the new fangled desktops which were coming for linux which I thought were a bit heavy... 5. I liked the idea of an unified user space binaries and kernel distribution. I thought it was pretty cool.
Well I for one would really really welcome such a thing. One of the biggest problems I have faced during the development cycle is the PHB insisting that all documents should be in M$ Word and latex is a strict no no ( for whatever braindead reason ) I see a very welcome atmosphere where I write a bunch of perl scripts to actually generate templates for my requirements Func specs, and design documents and actually derive one document from another. I also could deploy a bunch tools to actually derive requirement tracing matrices and other metrics for a particular project directly from my documents and also maintain the documents in CVS. And the PHB gets everything in M$ Word. Its a perfect world !
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I am an Indian, and as far as the conflict in the middle east goes we here are helpless spectators hoping and praying that the whole thing is over as soon as possible with minimum loss of life on both sides. We are also hoping that a lot of people do not lose their jobs here and petrol ( I think you call it gasoline in the US ) remains affordable. However I was wondering as to what might be the american motivation for the war ? I personally am not being able to comprehend the motivation behind such a massive military strike. It was as if President Bush was afraid that the UN inspectors would actually give Iraq a clean chit. I always thought that if it is about declaring war, it is always worth a wait. Is it about President Bush trying to improve his own approval ratings ( Honestly, our politicians would do it without batting an eyelid ) or is it that the american people actually percieve Iraq as a genuine threat ? I am actually puzzled and bit scared too. If it is Iraq now, it could mean any other country tomorrow since I do not see any reason behind attacking Iraq. It is like the americans do not need a very good reason to attack any country and that certainly cannot be very good news for the rest of the world....
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Could anyone enlighten me on the exchange 2000 plugin which is supposed to be shipped out with this release. Just cannot seem to find any information on it...
Your supposition has a fundamental flaw. You are confusing an operating system and an IP stack. Just because has a device has an IP stack does not mean it will start behaving like windows. By that logic, every router, switch, or linux box should do everything a windows box does because of the evil IP stack.
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Well that is a tough one. I looked high and low and checked out most of the tools the guys have mentioned. What struck me as the limiting factor for most real Java IDEs has been the speed. I found JBuilder and NetBeans (Forte I think they call it now) big on size and sluggish on performance. After some amount of searching,the best solution for me was to have a separate modelling tool and a separate editing tool.
I have used Rational Rose as the modelling tool which I found to be exhaustive and efficient, and for editing, the good old vim+ctags combo. Whereas I could design my system using Rose efficiently and then generate the skeleton code, the vim editor would give me the power of a fast, feature rich editor. This has worked out for me to a certain degree.
Debugging, still remains a problem however. I am still looking for a small, fast and efficient debugger. Any good suggestions out there ?
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I worked with networking code in IPSO for some time on the P022 machines and found it a rather nice thing to work with. It is sturdy and does its job well. If there are internal struggles to actually replace it with a newer OS I do not understand why there is no opinion to move it to a NetBSD or FreeBSD and why linux ? Any definite advantages ?
Well, the answer would be manifold.
1. Linux is just a kernel, nothing more. So for all practical purposes most of the fanboys out there using 'linux' and loving 'linux' are probably ending up loving the latest version of KDE, or gnome or the nifty new GNU tools and not linux. Full power of linux ? So if you consider all the gui stuff and nifty userland tools that you are using, you are hardly getting the 'full power of linux'
2. Getting a different base kernel over the rocking GNU tools and environments for me is always cool. It is choice that I am getting. I will certainly try it out on an x86 machine, and if the kernel source is included, I would love to look through the design of the thing. Everybody loves tearing opening that shrink wrap from the latest gizmo.
3. Sun has been pushing out some great publicity stuff wrt. Solaris 10 and how it 'screams'. I sure would like to check that out. I also would be very interested to see whether my bluetooth dongle or usb mass storage device will work with it or not. If it does not, it is less ready than linux for the desktop.
4. I always thought that the linux kernel was a bit convoluted and unreadable compared to the BSD kernel. ( I have worked in the NetBSD and FreeBSD and Linux kernels ) I would love to have an opportunity to look into a new kernel and see how well it has been written and whether I can consider it a viable OS to suggest to my PHB for my next project, if it fits in there.
So, if someone out there is pushing across the new kernel in a familiar looking distro, I am certainly all for it. To sum it up, I think everybody stands to gain. The developer (choice) the user (choice again) and Sun (publicity).
Hurrah for Open Source !
Firstly I would like to say that I totally agree with you. I am a citizen of a country which does have the freedom of speech and expression as a part of our constitution. However putting it into a constitution does not always ensure that happening. The nation has to be fiercely possesive about it. I think it is good to be illogical about a few things. The freedom of speech and expression is one of those things. Nobody should take a relative view of it. It is absolute. Once you start doing that you start to slip and suddenly you are in a place you never wanted to be in.
As they say -- The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
And what of the poor terrorists who are incidentally paying for the bandwidth too ? I am not trolling or flamebaiting -- all I am saying is that censorship is not a part of a free society -- disagreement is.
Remember Skylarov ? Adobe vs Elcomsoft... That is the law my friend !
Yeah what they need is a Total Perspective Vortex....
Well.. that is where I would fundamentally disagree with you. When I spend some money to buy an operating system I would not expect it to just show me a pretty screen and what files I have on my hard disk. I personally think that when I purchase an OS, I would want that OS to add value to the hardware by converting my hardware into a tool. That is where I really do not value windows. The OS does not give you anything at all.
It is like buying a car which has an engine and runs well (in short spurts, I may add) but the steering wheel and the brake pedal are accessories which have to be purchased at an extra cost.
My take is that if I PAY for base OS should have a set of tools word processor/spreadsheet/browser so that I can actually use my computer after I have purchased the OS, and not play with pretty buttons. Otherwise give it to me for free. (as in beer)
Really ? Your logic has left me a bit speechless. I guess the next thing you are going to say is that because in India, ( Japan and Britain too I think ) people drive on the left, all Indians, Brits and Japanese visiting USA should drive on the left too, on American roads...
I really love it when we self styled geeks think that putting C logical operators in their conversations somehow makes their point stronger.
How does this post get an insightful moderation ? I am really really interested to know as to how havin g no software patents will effect the "outsourcing revenue stream". It has become a trend on /. to link India and outsourcing, and something about stealing jobs, whatever the pretext might be. I have no problems with people talking about and raving against outsourcing -- this is a free forum. However I am certainly against senseless talk.
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mmm.. actually, the whole requirement for automation was because you did not have an interface which I just defined. Now give me a script which changes cds for me and then I will consider that automation being better than this.
You can do what I do these days-- Use the konqueror + kio_audiocd combo. Really smooth. All you have to do is to insert the audio cd and browse it using konquerer ( audiocd:// ) You will actually see an ogg directory. All that is to be done is a simple drag and drop. You wont have to do any scripting. All you have to do is insert your CD and remove it. Redefines the whole ripping experience. I repeat -- Smooth.
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I would disagree with you on that one. I have worked on a project where we used a x86 board running the configuration plane for a router/switch and used Intel Based Network Processosr for the data path/switching function. Yeah it had the works -- Throughput, Expansion slots.
Now the catch is that we were running our tweaked version of NetBSD on the x86 control plane, which was running the routing daemons. So if there is a BSD licenced BGP out there, it is possible to deploy it on the above mentioned box.
So my point is that we actually have rather fancy boxes out there running *BSD.
I really do not agree with that. A smart phone IS a very useful tool if you you actually NEED it. One has to exactly know why one is purchasing the phone. If you do not and you still are purchasing a smart phone you are not a very smart person. This is how I use my phone. FYI I use a gaming console + smartphone combo
-- I have a few mp3s on it which I can hear when I commuting to work
-- I sync my calendar/todo with my phone so I exactly know whether I can turn up late for work or not and am in sync with the whole day when I start for work
-- I play games on it (including FPS)
-- I use my XHTML browser/GPRS to check my webmail and also catch up on the cricket scores when I am on the move
As far as I go. my smart phone serves as my mp3 player, my PDA, a web browser and a game deck. It actually benefits me and I think smart phones are good things.
Chandrayan literally translates to moon-vehicle.
Take a look at CVSDude. It is probably what you need. Offers public subversion and cvs servers. The premium service offers your needs for privacy too. Might be useful for you.
Well I can answer that for one. Old school hackers need the steak and the beer on the table too and microsoft pays pretty well. I guess would be thankful if some of the old school hackers got into microsoft and did something about their software.
I know I might sound a bit crabby ( I am getting old) but what the hell ? We have had latex/xfig for ages on unix/linux/*BSD now. It produces the prettiest documents without all that horrible GUI. We might be screaming ourselves hoarse about how computer literate/savvy and what not we are but when it comes to actually using unix based tools, we go pffft...
Honestly, Koffice is a bad tool. About 2 years ago. The last time I used it, it would crash with the every second thing I typed in. After that I pretty much dont use it. In fact I pretty much dont install it. The problem is that we are ( although a large number of people who think they use unix will scream ) trying very hard to make unix-windows. I used to think that people at
Has anybody ACTUALLY tried documentation on unix before they go ooh and aah about OO and Koffice ? I really dont think so. If we actually are the developer/IT/unix community that we so vociferously say that we are, and were actually using unix in our day to day work, we would not have been using Koffice. I think a large number of people on this forum use unix as a web browser -- that is all.
The latex/xfig combination has been serving me perfectly for some time now. Apart from using them for normal day to day activities, I use them for development documentation also. It produces extremely high quality documents and of the things I like about it is that I can version my documents effectively in CVS. It can also be used to make presentations. That leaves the spreadsheet stuff... go and use anything.. OO ( is my choice )
But please please please, you new-unix-kids-on-the-block try and pick up some unix first before going linux-is-oh-so-cool....
Apologies
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I had been using linux from about 1996. I switched in 2001 to FreeBSD. My reasons for switching neither very emotional or philosophical. Reasons for switch.
- of-the-system types, I found freebsd better suited.
1. With linux , my X would at times hang up really bad. I do not know whether that problem exists or not now though...
2. I like the ports collection. Very handy. Just had to do a install clean and viola !
3. I loved the kernel source code organization and being one of those uselessly-browse-kernel-source-to-verify-behavior
4. I used to use latex for documentation and netscape for the web and so did not really need the new fangled desktops which were coming for linux which I thought were a bit heavy...
5. I liked the idea of an unified user space binaries and kernel distribution. I thought it was pretty cool.
Well I for one would really really welcome such a thing. One of the biggest problems I have faced during the development cycle is the PHB insisting that all documents should be in M$ Word and latex is a strict no no ( for whatever braindead reason ) I see a very welcome atmosphere where I write a bunch of perl scripts to actually generate templates for my requirements Func specs, and design documents and actually derive one document from another.
I also could deploy a bunch tools to actually derive requirement tracing matrices and other metrics for a particular project directly from my documents and also maintain the documents in CVS. And the PHB gets everything in M$ Word. Its a perfect world !
Hi !
I am an Indian, and as far as the conflict in the middle east goes we here are helpless spectators hoping and praying that the whole thing is over as soon as possible with minimum loss of life on both sides. We are also hoping that a lot of people do not lose their jobs here and petrol ( I think you call it gasoline in the US ) remains affordable.
However I was wondering as to what might be the american motivation for the war ? I personally am not being able to comprehend the motivation behind such a massive military strike. It was as if President Bush was afraid that the UN inspectors would actually give Iraq a clean chit. I always thought that if it is about declaring war, it is always worth a wait.
Is it about President Bush trying to improve his own approval ratings ( Honestly, our politicians would do it without batting an eyelid ) or is it that the american people actually percieve Iraq as a genuine threat ? I am actually puzzled and bit scared too. If it is Iraq now, it could mean any other country tomorrow since I do not see any reason behind attacking Iraq. It is like the americans do not need a very good reason to attack any country and that certainly cannot be very good news for the rest of the world....
Hi !
Could anyone enlighten me on the exchange 2000 plugin which is supposed to be shipped out with this release. Just cannot seem to find any information on it...
Your supposition has a fundamental flaw. You are confusing an operating system and an IP stack. Just because has a device has an IP stack does not mean it will start behaving like windows. By that logic, every router, switch, or linux box should do everything a windows box does because of the evil IP stack.
Well that is a tough one. I looked high and low and checked out most of the tools the guys have mentioned. What struck me as the limiting factor for most real Java IDEs has been the speed. I found JBuilder and NetBeans (Forte I think they call it now) big on size and sluggish on performance. After some amount of searching,the best solution for me was to have a separate modelling tool and a separate editing tool.
I have used Rational Rose as the modelling tool which I found to be exhaustive and efficient, and for editing, the good old vim+ctags combo. Whereas I could design my system using Rose efficiently and then generate the skeleton code, the vim editor would give me the power of a fast, feature rich editor. This has worked out for me to a certain degree.
Debugging, still remains a problem however. I am still looking for a small, fast and efficient debugger. Any good suggestions out there ?
Well would that mean that the windows console app is gone ? What of them now ? Like I mean downward compatibilty. That sure would be wierd...