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Software Patents Stopped in India
piyushranjan writes "Indian parliament deleted the section from the patents bill regrading the software patents as left parties prevailed over the Government on the issue. This may be a major victory for free software foundation(fsf) which has been lobbying hard against the bill."
all move^Woutsource ourselves to india now!
No one ever says, 'I can't read that ASCII E-mail you sent me.'
But also our president has openly suggested to our schools, universities, defence and government organizations to switch to open source. He's one president I really admire. A very learned and very humble man.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Can companies move their bussiness their to avoid patents in the own country?
We have begun the process of outsourcing your freedom! The stormtroopers will be by shortly to collect any remaining freedoms, so we can send them to a foreign country where it will be cheaper to maintain them. In the meantime, sit tight, don't go anywhere, and please refrain from speaking with other citizens or posting to the Interweb with those blog thingies. Don't like it? Maybe you should have spoken up before the process began, like they did in India. Have a nice day.
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Free yourself. Everything else will follow.
I've spoken with government official in my country (New Zealand) about software patents and they just don't care! They just fold to the big companys.
I want to move to India! I love Indian food and culture already, and now they get to be free of software patents! Not fair.
When will governments in the western world start doing what the people want, and not what only the rich and powerful want!
They have nothing to gain from adopting software patents.
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Okay, so the two references are to a Marxist org and a FSF site. Too much "spin" for me to see straight.
That doesn't stop me from voicing an opinion. Patents are a pain, and software patents doubly so. But since there are so many "old" ideas getting patented, maybe a few pushes are in order.
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I'm an Indian.
As much as I hate these left parties (they're real dumbasses), for once they have done the right thing here.
Left parties doing something actually GOOD for economy. Who knew...
Hi Well,atleast in this sense,India is far better than EU.We got it done without much hassles. :))) .......
And spare some time to go thru http://fsf.org.in/
piyush chaapis........
Like it or not as an American coder, the code coming from India is getting better. Sorry, but that's what happens with practice fellas....
Couple that with healty dose of the encouragement of innovation, and we just took one right on the chin.
The idiot jokes about off-shoring. Bloody hell take it like the americans we know, not pussy-ass whiners!. Innovate, work hard, and show 'em that american coders are better. But please stop the offshoring jokes...
Let's hope that this sets an example that many others will follow.
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Being part of a software startup whose value creation is closely tied to software that we create, this creates some anxiety. But I believe, in the long term this is a good precedent to have.
It's about time that a major country abolished software patents. Hopefully this will set precedence for the same action in the EU and the US.
If software patents aren't legal in India, would a company over there be able to fearlessly provide web services/applications that infringe on US patents?
e.g. could a company over there build a search engine using Google's patented page rank algorithm with out having to pay an licensing fee?
If so, it would seem that India would be an ideal place for most such companies, as they can operate over there with out fear of patent litigation. Also, hopefully something like this would put pressure on the US to reform our current system in order for local companies to be more competitive.
Where open source software are not threatened by patent laws. Right?
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The government was required by the WTO to adopt a new patent regime in the pharmaceutical sector. There was plenty of opposition to this, mainly from the left, though leaving the WTO is simply not an option and everyone realises that.
So what the government does is have a temporary ordinance, not ratified by the parliament, that's somewhat more draconian that it needs to be. I think the software patents thing was one of those items that the government was always willing to chop. There were also lots of safeguards in the pharma sector itself (regarding making of generic drugs in the national interest), allowed by the WTO, that the government omitted from the ordinance. Even the New York Times had a strong editorial criticising the Indian Government for its unnecessarily restrictive ordinance.
When the time comes to pass it through parliament, voila, the government "accommodates" the left parties by introducing these safeguards and removing things like software patents. The left, in return, supports the bill. And everyone's happy.
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It only shows he knows nothing of the Indian President. Here are some facts so people can see for themselves:
Some of his speeches
A description of a personal encounter
His own website describing his aspirations
A few of his accomplishments
Finally, for those REALLY interested, here's his auto-biography
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camel jockey who's been replaced by a robot!
....Free/OS evangelists will be labeled as communists more than ever now.
Well obviously the wages are very low there, I don't think it would be easy for a US or EU citizen (I'm Dutch myself) to just move there and assume you'll survive (economically), but if the EU government decides to adopt the patent laws, I'm pretty sure the Indian software market will flourish even more than it does now, making the outsourcing of development even more interesting... Also they have the best food in the world (/me *loves* massalas, dal and breads!!), so I do feel some temptation too... ;)
Cool, so were all commies.
Indian parliament deleted the section from the patents bill regrading the software patents as left parties prevailed over the Government on the issue.
When submitting articles, is spell-check too much to ask for?
This is a terrible detriment to Indian companies because they will not get to patent their software while other competing countries will (like the US, etc.) The other countries' companies can then enforce the patent against Indian companies, effectively blocking them out of developing software. Because of the lack of patents, Indian companies won't be able to cross license deals with other companies and will be left out in the cold, unable to write certain code. Software patents suck, but like nuclear bombs, once someone gets one, everyone needs one.
Here's the interesting thing about patents and, if you are a patent expert, I realize you already know this, but I think most people don't see the true irony of patents.
The irony is: they were designed to protect the small guy from the big guy. That's right. I shall repeat. They were designed to protect the small guy from the big guy.
They did this to encourage innovation.
You see, some guy in his garage could invent the television, a big company could come along and copy it, and make billions because he has a bigger operating budget. With patents, the guy could protect his invention, and the big guys couldn't steal his idea. All of a sudden, people want to invent because they can protect their ideas.
But now the patent system has turned on its head. It essentially protects the big guys from the small guys. Probably if we looked at patents in their stricted sense, a kid in their garage could write a text editor and infringe on hundreds of patents. I realize this doesn't usually result in a lawsuit, but the system is so convoluted that the only way to understand it is to hire expensive lawyers, which small guys tend not to be able to afford. So in many cases, the small guy gives up when faced with serious opposition (think RIAA).
Okay, I will freely admit that this post is a little inflamatory and that usually lawsuits are not launched even when a patent is owned for things like using key-combinations on a keyboard. But that's not the point.
The point is this: The patent system no longer does what it was supposed to do which is encourage the creation of new ideas. If a system no longer does what it was designed to do, THAT is the definition of broken.
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Great news, I needed a bit cheering up. Just yesterday I read that Ericsson has started to threaten the Swedish government that research and development will be moved out of Europe to countries that "respect software patents" (the spokesman mentions Japan and the US).
Being bitter is drinking poison and hoping someone else will die
I don't think the issue with India was ever the quality of the code per se, but with all of the obstacles that might (and do) crop up when handing your information infrastructure over to a country halfway across the world. These things will happen despite any code quality issues. There was a recent post by someone responding to another article, that mentioned the ROI issues with respect to projects that are outsourced. Assuming it was accurate, it suggests that outsourcing isn't a cure-all, and the ROI is a long-term proposition.
Still - India did the right thing. It will be interesting to see how their anti-patent ethos meshes with the "patent every stray thought" mentality of the US. I wonder if the US could "help" India change its mind by threatening to withhold business if it doesn't comply.
What a load of horse shit!
They can still patent things in America (and other such countries) if they want and can still cross licence (or pony up licence fees just like everyone else) if they want to distribute in such countries.
All it means is that for their local market, and other similar markets, they don't have to worry about these artificially created monopolies. Their market is freer and they can spend more of their resources actually being productive and making things and less resources overcoming artificially created hurdles.
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I know everybody here on slashdot is overjoyed at this decision but I'm very skeptical. This is only one particular government responding to a sentiment that may only last 5 years. Maybe in a decade Indians will be rabid capitalists foaming at the mouth looking for ways to monopolize the world around them.
What's needed is an amendment to their constitution that clearly states "Patent protection in computer software will not be afforded in this country now, tomorrow or ever, so the great Hindu god said !"
This would be the ideal solution imho, as it creates an uphill struggle for selfishly greedy capitalists to overturn a constitutional amendment. Far more difficult than just bribing a few politicians to get their way, which can happen tomorrow... in that case, this article is pointless.
Come to think of it, shouldn't we do something like this in our own nations ? Look at what's happening in europe, they just keep reintroducing the same tired legislation every 6 months.. Eventually they will win.
I think there are a lot of people who for one reason or another think that competition from other countries is a bad thing.
They seem to think that it is somehow 'unfair' that people in other contries can make product X cheaper. I don't know how many times I've heard the 'rush to the bottom' argument from people who obviously have no grasp of basic economics.
If you are one of those people please read this:
http://www.amosweb.com/cgi-bin/pdg.pl?fcd=dsp&ter
The reason competition is good in this particular case is because the US government is clearly not acting in its citizens best interest in regards to software patents.
The contries that have a more rational intelectual property policy will obviously benefit. This will do one of two things:
1. Businesses and citizens who create software will be forced to move to these 'enlightened' contries if they aren't there already. Basically the US will find itself locking itself out of the software market because producing software in the US will become too expensive or in some instances maybe even impossible.
2. Because of pressure from 1. the US will be forced to adopt better laws.
Basically if you can squash competition by making everyone obey your rules then you can force through productivity and creativity limiting laws such as software patents.
However in a free marketplace countries that have chosen not to incorporate such laws will naturally do better than countries that have. I'm assuming here of course that software patents stifle creativity and productivity but I think this is a pretty safe assumtption.
If you don't understand why software patents are bad please read this:
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index
In short this is good for everyone because it will garantee that consumers of software will continue to benefit from the explosion of creativity and productivity in the software industry. Also for those of us who produce software this helps by putting real pressure on our government to change its tune in regards to software patents.
... not to say that software patents aren't the work of the anti-jeebus, because they are.
Indian food, culture, programming skills, and now, software patent busting initiatives - all rock!
Good for india. Good for US.
Hmm...on another note, I hope this decision doesn't somehow affect the availability of 'Deep' brand Jumbo Samosas. That would be a tragedy worth fighting for & doing something about.
If this is the case, then do these patentsnow have no value? Were they compensated? Or are they ceasing to grant new software patents but old ones are still enforcable?
>> Most patents are in the U.S., most (current) innovation and technology growth is in India.
>> They have nothing to gain from adopting software patents.
Your "smart move" response offers the defence of smartness to both sides --- smart of India to bar software patents because they have nothing to gain, and smartness by the US to uphold software patents because they do have something to gain.
Unfortunately the last part of that is only true under the extraordinarily myopic worldview that most innnovations are in the past, and that therefore it is worth protecting the greater old at the expense of harming the lesser new.
Well that's stunningly short-sighted. The future is pretty much infinite, whereas technological progress of the patentable type has been around for a couple of centuries at most, and software patents even less, so the inventions of the past represent effectively zero percent of the body of technical development.
There could hardly be a greater condemnation of the inability of the supporters of patents to see beyond the ends of their noses.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
If the US or EU put pressure on India to get rid of it, will India stand firm and risk the billions of rupees in outsourcing, or allow patents?
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that keeps the superpowers on top. Technologcial power is temporary, the only way to keep it is to ensure that your very best minds have every opportunity to discover new technologies.
This should be even more important to the US, as with our smaller population we have a smaller total pool of potential talent, so it should be even more important that we make sure every American has a chance (and is encouraged) to maximize their talents.
We're not doing enough in this area any more, the public looks at Higher Ed. more as a way for an individual to make money than as a public good, so public funding of education has been drying up. If we want to keep our 'place' we'll need to start seeing education as a public good again, and get back to funding it that way...
How about this hypothetical situation. We're outsourcing sufficient work to companies in India that they're being well trained in software development methodology in larger numbers. Despite being in India, they can in fact apply for software patents in the US.
Now, the population of India is significantly higher than the population of the US. Assuming a significant number of software developers were to be trained in India, they could very well reach numbers which outpace the entire population of the US. Now add China to the mix.
Let's assume this army of developers was engaged in applying for patents when they develop something which strikes them as slightly innovative. That's what happens in the US, so why not? Our patent system would be flooded with patents which US corporations would need to license from companies in India and China. Our own patent system would become the hammer with which to bludgeon our jobs.
Just something to think about.
1) patent profit in the US
2) PROFIT!
Richard Stallman had explained this very nicely in a speech against software patents:
In other words, software patents today mostly protect big companies, so it's no surprise that they are the ones who support them the most.
The transcript of the speech can be found here. Despite the odd transcription error, it's a great read.
Oyes, podeis hablar en Spanchis , que no me entero de na.
Si hablais en wachi wachi, solo os enterais vusotros.
Ya know, failure to capitalize an organisation name is pretty insulting.
How we know is more important than what we know.
How does this post get an insightful moderation ? I am really really interested to know as to how havin g no software patents will effect the "outsourcing revenue stream". It has become a trend on /. to link India and outsourcing, and something about stealing jobs, whatever the pretext might be. I have no problems with people talking about and raving against outsourcing -- this is a free forum. However I am certainly against senseless talk.
Patents are removed from India and Indian Lawyers are already out-sourced for defeating patents in EU and USA.
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...is really a free country. I hope US troops never go there! Amen!
sex is better than war!
Outsourcing makes sense only if it is cheaper than doing the work inhouse.
No SW patents == no additional cost for IP departments, lawyers, lawsuits etc. == less cost for a project
less cost == more attractive for outsourcing.
Seriously, explain what link there is between software patents and outsourcing?
There isn't one, and trying to make one up won't work. The reason for outsourcing is to drive down labour costs, not to escape software patents.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Way to go folks, let the communists with that wonderfully successful system of the past, adopt the FSF. Ah well, the communists are going to be taking every tech job in the western world into India and China anyway, so I guess its good that they can rob and steal our intellectual property as well.
So I guess you wouldn't even consider the possibility that our various IP laws themselves are hampering our ability to compete?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
You would think the USA itself would have learned about overly restricting software by laws from the encryption law sillyness, which was as follows:
The software developed in the USA could not be used internationally due to restrictions. Plenty of businesses wanted to do secure financial transactions securely using encryption. The solution that occured? Develop the software elsewhere and import it.
This same approach has the potential to be applied to most branches of software, since the US patent office does not appear to actually assess the merit or existance of proir art. It's very likely that the same approach taken with domain names (if it's in the dictionary it's taken) will apply to basic methods used in software.
I would be happy to see the USA patch their broken patent system until it works instead of trying to export the chaos to level the playing feild. We've already seen a bunch of companies which live only to sue based on what the former owners did when the company actually did something. Any country that is watching this process carefully is not going to implement software patents.
Really ? Your logic has left me a bit speechless. I guess the next thing you are going to say is that because in India, ( Japan and Britain too I think ) people drive on the left, all Indians, Brits and Japanese visiting USA should drive on the left too, on American roads...
I really love it when we self styled geeks think that putting C logical operators in their conversations somehow makes their point stronger.
Like gaurding against terrorists, the anti-patent crowd must stay lucky all the time. The patent lobbiests need only get lucky once.
They will just keep trying and trying, and once they have obtained software patents in a country, it becomes well nigh impossible to dislodge them.
The price of patentless software is eternal donation supported lobbying against all-consuming mega corperations.
May the Maths Be with you!
Intelligent regulation is a good thing, but the "us and them" mentality isn't going to help regulation become more intelligent. Deliberate ignorance over market factors that help the unemployed and the poor are going to mean that regulation will be counterproductive, for it no longer is a matter of truth, but rather which side you are on.
As for the meaning of efficiency, the concept isn't defined until you decide what is of value. But I know that you're using the concept sarcastically, so let me address that:
Efficiency isn't cheapness; it is the best use of resources. Even if maximising GDP is your measure of efficiency, it's no good people being paid less than what they could get elsewhere, for the job that paid more pays more because it is generating more wealth, ie., for them to stay in the less-well-paid job harms both themselves and the economy: it is inefficient. Similarly, slavery is inefficient, for it prevent slaves from moving into more productive work.
In saying this, I am not your foe, though: I do not measure progress by GDP, which makes me support certain laws (and oppose others) more strongly than if I did. But even by a GDP measure, a number of laws make sense. If someone on a minimum wage can afford better food because of that minimum, for example, they will require less hospital care, and also be more productive. This needs a law, because the employer doesn't typically gain from their long-term health; more likely, another will. Safety standards are required because otherwise risk to workers will be seen equally with other (financial) risks. As startups fail nine times out of ten, safety won't become important for a while. Since a startup failure isn't a major economic failure (others will replace it), safety laws restore efficiency.
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i hope we get thru this in europe too.... cheers http://www.cuseeme.de
I donot understand why the hell these guys relate
outsourcing to everything under the sun ?
Let me put it this way , outsourcing is a step
towards achieving a global economy, something
good for everyone. It has been started by the
American companies. Good for them. And its good
that new jobs are getting created in developing
countries. It is very important for the world
economy that these countries prosper.
A major victory? India is barely able to feed itself and may likely still be a Third World country. So I ask, who gives a damn if they reject software patents? That Stallman character I bet
Of course it's insightful. Look, there have been a lot of cases where indian firms have simply stolen or reused code and when the companies who owned the rights to that code/concept attempted to make a claim they were either ignored by the Indian government or laughed out of court if they actually got there. There was DUN DUN DUN a Slasdot article maybe a month back on that exact fucking subject.
Now, with this law becoming...not a law, companies have absolutely no ground to stand on in the first place. Please don't try and argue taht they shouldn't from the beginning, because people like me like to make money off of our ideas, and having someone just turn around and copy them all and sell basically my product is totally not cool. This isn't a gimp/photoshop issue, because those are two completely different things when it comes down to it. As far as say a web server VS IIS, concepts like that are so common nobody should be making money off of it anyway, it's like trying to get exclusive rights to the spoon. But original applications should at least have a chance to make some money in the free market before the clones come out, and this makes it so people in India can just go hog wild and copy whatever they want with no consequences.
The sad part is: India didnt reject swpats because it thought it was the right thing to do - it rejected them because not doing so would have caused the left to get difficult, which would have caused the bill to stall.
In short, it wasn't because the government was convinced that swpats were bad, but because they found that the remaining stuff that they needed to push through was more important to them.
Sadly, despite all the good press, the mentality remains unchanged, and I am certain there will be more attempts very soon.
You aren't remembered for doing what is expected of you
three things about this.
.15 cents per light bulb based on some patent. This effectively lowers the barrier of entry into Software and manufacturing
1. India has a population above 1 billion.
2. 'Human resources' (i hate that word) are cheap.
3. Profit.
As someone else posted, only local markets will be affected....but a local market for 1 billion people and industry that can set up shop and USE ANY METHOD known to them for production of a product will surely have an advantage over those paying
("hey joe, did you get that new 'patented[not in india]' control system for us?")
unless im misunderstanding something
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If the US tried to retaliate by withholding business from India, I guess the outsourcing would have to stop, right? Which means that US companies that outsource their labour would either have to a.) find another place to go that has a well-enough trained/educated workforce to be able to do the work, or b.) go back to employing the more expensive domestic labour force (since the reason for outsourcing is because it is cheaper, right?). I can't imagine many companies being thrilled with that.
So on the one hand, you have the US doing nothing and probably losing its "patent advantage" in the rest of the world, and on the other hand, you have retaliation which leads to reduced profits for the corporations (which put a lot of money into politics) due to more expensive operating costs, and I don't imagine them taking that lightly. Interesting.
I am somewhat reminded of something about rocks and hard places.
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
It is also important for the world that there never be a significant number of American citizens who could be classified as 'desperately poor'. Our current crop of politicians may be owned by big business, but if we get a 40% unemployment rate, we will vote for any crackpot who promises us a return to the good old days of power and prosperity (like Hitler promised to the Germans (+5 Godwins Law reference)).
With our history of ill-considered military action, our poorly educated public, and our military might (nuclear and non-nuclear), our desperation would be a bad thing for the world.
Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. --Mark Twain
> Seriously, explain what link there is between software patents and outsourcing?
When you can run whatever software you want to run because a patent says (IBM|Microsoft|Sun|Your Cat|SCO) own Foo in it, or you can't even write it for the very same reason, you will seek solutions to run or write that software elsewhere.
---- Take the Space Quiz!
This means that if there are no patents then they don't have to honor anyone elses either. "OH, it's a big vicotry for open source!" No, it's a big victory for the Indians who want to f****ing steal everything. Why don't you idiots ever realise that NO ONE CARES ABOUT OPEN SOURCE! They don't. Why doesn't someone make a closed source alternative to windows that really works and isn't an overpriced package labeled as a relgious movement (read Mac) instead? H
I think a lot of people here are missing this specific point: with Indian companies not paying attention to patents (american patents at least,) it would be possible to charge the firms who use Indian software in the States with patent infringement, wouldn't it? If SCO could bring up charges against so many firms I am sure it is not in the realm of impossibility for some firm(s) to bring up patent infringement charges against whatever firm that uses Indian software. So if MS charges a bank say with patent infringement then these things can happen: MS loses in court or Bank loses in court or Bank settles or the judge throws the case out of court.
If the judge throws the case, MS will charge again.
If MS loses in court it would be possible to start a motion to negate all software patents.
If Bank settles there will be a precedent set and firms may become scared of using Indian software.
If Bank loses in court Indian software may become non grata in the States.
Did I miss some things?
You can't handle the truth.
Actually there is a pretty blatant link. What company would outsource IP intensive information to a counrty that doen't uphold IP laws?
that the U.S. levels the playing field and stop all this intellectual property crap that microsoft/sco started and abolish software patents.
Well, I'm posting from India. Outsourcing has channelled some of the obscene money you first worlders earn into obscene salaries for some Indians.
/. I don't believe Indians will be very good FOSS supporters. From the kind of people I usually see, I can expect no better than freeloading on point-n-click piracy. Who'd want to get their hands dirty with ./config, and risk exposure on GPL, when you can easily filch code and put it in your inhouse project? It's money that matters here, dear! Look at the Indian expats in the US software industry, and get a clue as to which side of the patent question they prefer.
I am not one of the beneficiaries, so I whine. It's bitterly funny, you know, to see "cybercoolies" earn big money and waste the landscape, while real intellect workers get a raw deal even while doing a worldclass job. $500 a month is pretty good pay, except in Bangalore and Mumbai (Bombay to the uninitiated).
That aside, I have been pretty lazy even while offering PJ help, not to have checked the patent scene at home. Somebody (maybe the original great^n grand parent) please provide a lickable clink.
Still, one thing that's been at the back of my mind, is best fit to be said on
At the most, you can expect them to try GNU/Linux in software consulting (small-time) to relieve any perceived licensing hassles.
-clueless
Which "a lot of cases" are you talking about? Is ONE =Lot Of???
Duh, wouldn't that be a reason not to outsource to countries with no software patents?
If anything, if what you've just said holds true then not recognising software patents would be disastrous to India's software community, so you're saying that not recognising those patents is bad for Indian business. Well then, why are they doing it?
You, like the person that I replied to originally, are missing the point: where your software is developed is irrelevant, what's relevant is where it is sold, because the market in which it is sold will determine what effect patents have on your product, not the market in which it is manufactured.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
But that is the new intention: It is like finding a hammer on the sidewalk - originally intended to construct shelters, we now see that it would make a perfect tool to bludgeon people over the head to take their money.
Basically, we've discovered a new, profitable use for an old tool!
There is not nearly enough love in the world, but there is far too much trust.
(Technological) Secrets make a nation thrive
/. we, the powers that be, do not respect secrets - especially if it could bring about that
Secrets? Secrets? You mean like that Closed Source thingy? I am sorry, on
{Dr Evil Voice}
evil
{/Dr Evil Voice}
Closed Source
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
Humans are nothing if not adaptable.
Thanks to the miracle of moderation, it may actually be all three simultaneously.
Yeah, it also means that they don't have to support IP at all. Outsource to India and you might as well make your software open source because there may be no recourse if they decide to just publish it on the web.
PROFIT!!!!
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http://www.naukri.com will get you started.
While there is no H1b quota nonsense, you do need to get a company to hire you first and then sponsor a work visa.
Good luck.
Whenever there is an article about software patents in USA or EU, everyone on slashdot (or rather, the Americans) start condemning patents and say that the very concept of software patents are bad. They even said the same thing on the article about introduction of software patents in India. But on this article about the stopping of software patents in India, it is suddenly about "protecting" US "property" and how Indians and people of other developing countries steal it. If software patents are wrong, they are wrong everywhere and so no one is stealing anything from anyone by "defying" software patents. I'm starting to get a picture of how Americans look at "freedom", economy and developing countries. And it's pretty bad.
Some of the best thinkers in India tend towards Socialism and Communism. Not recently, but before Independence when Communism (or Socialism, depends on who you ask) spread through two of the most educated, free thinking states in India : Kerala and Bengal. Its not surprising that Kerala has 100% literacy, not a minor feat by any standards.
Young people these days tend towards communism, socialism, the India Congress or whatever political party they choose, not due to personal convictions, but because they are too lazy to work and earn.
And I would rephrase your last sentence to "Political parties doing something that is actually Good for the economy"!!. Its hard to believe that there still are a handful of Politicians and Bureaucrats who drives change in the establishment.
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provide an educated labor pool.
vs. a private 'good'.
However I was talking about Higher Education, which (esp. in the sciences) was practically free for talented folks in the 50s-60s, mostly through public funds.
Now we have a great Higher Ed. system, but public funding of it (directly or through scholarships, etc. has dropped to the point that many talented Americans can't afford the $ and/or time to maximize their talents.
I would think that this would reduce the amount of outsourcing. If you were Microsoft or Oracle would you want your stuff being developed somewhere that didn't recognize your patents? Isn't piracy what MS is always getting upset about? Am I missing something?
Stick that in your compiler and debug it!
The patent issue in India was discussed at length in Local magazines. Primary problem there was getting medicines at cheaper cost. This include medicines used by AIDS patient in Africa et all. Hence the patent regime in India could have had a major impact for poor patients in may parts of the world.
Indian software companies does not make much money from Patents. There are companies like IBM (or take any biggie) that do lot of work in India, but they file the patent in US. That would not be stopped because of this law..
Microsoft India is hardly an independent Indian company.
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Hmm....lowering the standard of living in the US, by willfully exporting jobs....helps me how exactly?
I don't mind nor want to stand in the way of any other country begin to pull themselves up, and finally start to improve their standard of living, but, I'm not altrusitic enough to want to help them at my own detriment!
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All laws are restricted to a given legal entity (generally a country). Each entity decides how to enforce their own laws.
Except countries can no longer survive under autarky. The power to make trade treaties gives countries power to control other countries' laws. Specifically, all members of the World Trade Organization must accept the Berne Convention, the Patent Cooperation Treaty, and other TRIPS treaties, as a condition of joining and remaining in the WTO.
the parameters (such as lifetime of a copyright) varies significantly.
Damn right. The way patent treaties work in practice is nothing like the way copyright treaties work in practice.
Patents: An inventor files an application in multiple countries simultaneously. Each PCT party's patent office decides whether or not to grant a patent effective in that country.
Copyrights: An inventor fixes a work in a tangible medium and files nothing with any agency. All Berne Convention parties are obligated to grant a copyright that lasts longer than a typical prison term for first degree murder.
regrade v. To evaluate again.
"Indian parliament deleted the section from the patents bill reevaluating software patents as left parties prevailed over the Government on the issue."
And you are missing the point as well. It matters a lot to companies the produce IP sensitive information. I work for a pharmaceutical company and we have off shore operations....but none of our IP sensitive information goes. Likewise I also own a software company and non of my internally sensitive information goes to outside programmers. So yeah I would say I have quite a clue as to what I am saying. Oh and yes if India keeps this up it will be bad for their business.
Some of the already alotted patents in the basis of patent amenment ordinance (passed on December 2004 that implimented patents over embeded software). I dont know the current situation of these patents after patents over software is dropped. In the order of Applicant, patent no, descripation. guset notiofication
Intel Corp. USA
192439
A method of processing a request and a computer system and microprocessor therfor
April 24,2004
Seimens, Germany
193501
Method for cashless payment
July 24, 2004
Canal + Societe Amonyme, France
193654
Method of download data to an MPEG receiver/decoder and an MPEG receiver/decoder
July 31, 2004
Siemens, Germany
181381
Method for transmission of digital signals in time division multiplex channel from via a ATM transmission device.
November 29, 2004
Intel Corp.
192590
Method for providing content interruption
May 08, 2004
Sun Micorsystems Inc.
193708
A computer implemented process for processing a computer program and a computer program product therefor.
August 07, 2004
Seimens, Germany
194407
A method for offering announcement in a communication network and the communication network therof
October 30, 2004
Seimens, Germany
194087
Method for transmission of data between a terminal and portable data carrier over a wireless electromagnetic transmission stretch
September 25, 2004
Sun Microsystems
194159
An interactive computer assembly for implementing message dispatch for an object oriented program and method therof
September 25, 2004
The Good News: Yes, you can move there.
The Bad News: You'll have to work at the Indian 7-11.
not much point in not using real dollars per capita IMO (see Over the same time period (1988-98), real higher education appropriations per capita declined from $185 to $175.
Even if you believe that everyone in 1988 had a chance to maximize their talents, we are in decline from that state now. If (as seems likely) only a fraction of the people in 1988 whom could have contributed more to society if they had advanced training were able to get it, then we are in more serious decline.
That goes to the point: we'll need to maximize the potential of every person to staty competitive, if real $ per capita declines, then there are people with talents who are not getting the chance to maximize those talents.
I think the idea of getting rid of patents is fantastic!
I was going to start a software development company this summer. I had planned to roll out three product lines in FY 2008. I figured three years ought to be enough time for my programmers to fully develop the ideas and get the code written. So, three years, 30 programmers @ $80K per year + an additional $40K in benefits and taxes, $20K per month in rent for office space, equipment, bandwidth, phone lines, etc.
Screw that! I'm not going to spend millions dollars and three years of my life when as soon as the product launches someone in India can chage the name on the box and sell it for less.
I'll let the suckers in India do all the labor and just "open source" their stuff with MY brand on it. Let THEM spend the money to develop it. All I need is 10,000 users at $100 a pop and I've made a million dollars profit. The suckers in India have to sell it for $200 and sell a million units just to cover their startup costs.
The only problem with that...
They might get tired of me reaping the benefits of their investment. Then, they'll want to protect that investment somehow. After all, it was THEY who spent all the money and time developing the stuff.
It's a good thing they are so againt protecting intellectual property.
I'd be screwed and actually have to work for a living.
Innovation is expensive.
"Let me put it this way , outsourcing is a step towards achieving a global economy, something good for everyone."
People have been brainwashed into repeating this over and over. It is possibly true, on a global scope. However it is never mentioned that while the business owner, India and China are taking 2 steps forward, the American worker is taking 1 step back.
US becomes one net importer
Except it's also unlawful to import patented products without permission of the patent holder.
Make the douches pay. Arguing that we were a pirate nation during our early years is no reason for these greaseballs to scum a profit. I say we cut food exports to this third world hotel until they act like adults...
This is a big success against the US Patent System globalization plan. Indian software industry will be free to develop. The big guys can't expropriate indian ideas or stop indian products. They can only copy ideas when the product is already on the market. In the IT sector... late is always "too" late... :-)
Whos going to want to run a software company in india if they can protect their intellectual properties. Another strike to a weak government.