i think he has a valid point. he's not an astroturfer, he's a home user. whether he fucked it up or linux fucked it up, you'd think it would be a little less ambiguous as to why things stop working.
i've had the same thing happen to me. see my journal (and his too, btw, because he mentioned this whole bsd vs linux thing before this story was ever posted) for details.
and he definitely has a point that people could just copy and paste shell scripts with instructions on how to run them and the same people that are responsible for viruses and worms now are going to just follow the instructions and it'll be the same on a different platform. however, now that's not the case, so at the moment it IS a good reason. i use xp at work behind a firewall and these machines still get compromised at least monthly.
i run linux exclusively at home, because i don't like windows xp. so yeah, i said it, i use linux cause i dont like windows. it is a valid excuse. linux sucks at some things and rocks at others. so does windows. i dont see why people have to take operating systems so personally.
I've run Linux off and on (more off than on, really) for the last 5 or 6 years. Started with Redhat either 4 or 5 point something or other. Only reason I quit was for games, I think.
Well, recently, I got the bright idea to try XP and long story short Windows won't even let itself install on my hard drive anymore. So I took it as a sign and switched to Linux again.
I recently received in the mail 4 distros, Knoppix 3.4, Suse 9.1 personal, Mandrake 10, and Slackware 10. I had used Suse 8.2 and kind of liked it, hoped they'd fixed the bugs, and I guessed it would have the best installer of the three as my machine was being quirky.
Well, I was right. It installed fine, everything worked. It installed a rather limited package selection, for example I cant get xchat installed because it depends on gtk2 which I installed but for some reason it's being a bitch and there is no xchat on the cd, but I digress.
Other than the limited package selection (however I did cheap out and get the download version on a burned cd, so I guess I got what I paid for) it's excellent. Other Linux distros have been crashy when I tried to do anything cpu intensive, but Suse has yet to crash on me under all the stress I cared to put it under. I have to say they did fix most of the bugs that put me off. And if I do grow tired of it, well, I have two other distros and an EXCELLENT live distro sitting in my desk just begging to see the light of day.
my sentiments exactly. i usually use something like fuck@off.com, though i admit that until this article i never thought about who might own off.com and what they do with all these emails to fuck.
I use FireFox at home and at work until recently, and with Adblock I never saw a thing. Penny Arcade was the first place I saw with a floating flash banner, and the only site I continue to visit after such an incident, because it's never happened again. It just goes to show that sometimes it isn't even the site's fault that these asshat marketing drones can't come up with good advertising that isn't annoying.
I never had to worry about such things in the first place until my workplace declared Firefox to be the cause of computer problems and forbade it.
well it was kind of a loose analogy but the idea was that this particular horse should never have even been born in this crazy barn turning out insane animals.
the horse is software patents, and the barn is the uspto.
My original idea was to be cremated and divided into portions and one of the portions be shot into the sun. But now I think I'm going to incorporate this idea into it. Wish I hadn't wasted all my mod points.
I've actually always wanted to go out by being cremated and having at least some of my ashes flung into the general direction of the sun, and open and scatter into the universe. They'd probably drift into the sun and go with it when it explodes. I think it's a nice idea, and what else is a dead body good for?
seems even at 6:30 am the site is getting slashdotted but, for one, i like it.
i know microsoft is the devil and all that, but i've grown accustomed to the XP interface at work. i use SuSE linux at home, and i like it. however, at work i use xp and find its interface better in many ways.
if only we could integrate all the hardware settings into the main gui like xp does for display settings and such, then linux would really take off with a window manager like this.
there's also a lot to say for copying OS X, or developing our own little gui interface altogether, but that's another post...
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of course they should have made it with less bells and whistles and focused on usability. but i have yet to use an operating system that does.
i post this from konqueror on kde. kde is good because it works, bad because it has too many bells and whistles. keep in mind this is all on suse. i've had a bit of trouble with this suse box at home, but at work xp works fine for me. granted they both have their high points, but the main point here is:
nobody focuses on usability over features and prettiness anymore. so in a sense i think we agree. my only problem is that i dont see an alternative that justifies criticizing just windows for, because they all do it to a degree.
and XP is exactly what we needed 6 years ago, and we could have had it if open source in general would work together on improving one or two standards instead of being (as i believe someone posted somewhere else in this topic) a jack of all trades and a master of none.
i think that was all.
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Any fool can follow a list of instructions on how to do something in Windows 2000 Server
i think some of the replies to this post are missing the point. these are actually the better questions for the analogy, imho. people dont know exactly how their telephones or cars work, but they learn what they need to know to use them the way they want to.
however i think the point should be made that these things had to be TAUGHT to people, and it wasnt that hard to learn. some people just arent inclined towards electronics, while they may be brilliant in other areas. i think technology has too much of a bad name. people just hear the word 'technology' and go into luser mode.
computers are really too distinct a field to be put into such categories at this point. wait a generation and people will know as much about their computers as they do their cars and cell phones; they still wont know how they work, but they'll know enough to use them without major trouble.
with cars, if you know what you're doing there's no reason to take it to a mechanic except for major overhauls. same with a computer. i think cars and computers are a good analogy. you know how to drive, you know how to change a tire and change your oil, but most people dont know much more than that, except for the people that like cars and drive them and fix them as a hobby. same with computers.
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i think he has a valid point. he's not an astroturfer, he's a home user. whether he fucked it up or linux fucked it up, you'd think it would be a little less ambiguous as to why things stop working.
i've had the same thing happen to me. see my journal (and his too, btw, because he mentioned this whole bsd vs linux thing before this story was ever posted) for details.
and he definitely has a point that people could just copy and paste shell scripts with instructions on how to run them and the same people that are responsible for viruses and worms now are going to just follow the instructions and it'll be the same on a different platform. however, now that's not the case, so at the moment it IS a good reason. i use xp at work behind a firewall and these machines still get compromised at least monthly.
i run linux exclusively at home, because i don't like windows xp. so yeah, i said it, i use linux cause i dont like windows. it is a valid excuse. linux sucks at some things and rocks at others. so does windows. i dont see why people have to take operating systems so personally.
I've run Linux off and on (more off than on, really) for the last 5 or 6 years. Started with Redhat either 4 or 5 point something or other. Only reason I quit was for games, I think.
Well, recently, I got the bright idea to try XP and long story short Windows won't even let itself install on my hard drive anymore. So I took it as a sign and switched to Linux again.
I recently received in the mail 4 distros, Knoppix 3.4, Suse 9.1 personal, Mandrake 10, and Slackware 10. I had used Suse 8.2 and kind of liked it, hoped they'd fixed the bugs, and I guessed it would have the best installer of the three as my machine was being quirky.
Well, I was right. It installed fine, everything worked. It installed a rather limited package selection, for example I cant get xchat installed because it depends on gtk2 which I installed but for some reason it's being a bitch and there is no xchat on the cd, but I digress.
Other than the limited package selection (however I did cheap out and get the download version on a burned cd, so I guess I got what I paid for) it's excellent. Other Linux distros have been crashy when I tried to do anything cpu intensive, but Suse has yet to crash on me under all the stress I cared to put it under. I have to say they did fix most of the bugs that put me off. And if I do grow tired of it, well, I have two other distros and an EXCELLENT live distro sitting in my desk just begging to see the light of day.
So, yes, now IS the time to try a Linux desktop.
http://www.lp.org :-)
my sentiments exactly. i usually use something like fuck@off.com, though i admit that until this article i never thought about who might own off.com and what they do with all these emails to fuck.
Now number 11 is a good idea. Garibaldi and Marcus were always my favorite characters. Oh yeah, and screw Kira, just get Claudia Christian!
kids these days...
I use FireFox at home and at work until recently, and with Adblock I never saw a thing. Penny Arcade was the first place I saw with a floating flash banner, and the only site I continue to visit after such an incident, because it's never happened again. It just goes to show that sometimes it isn't even the site's fault that these asshat marketing drones can't come up with good advertising that isn't annoying.
I never had to worry about such things in the first place until my workplace declared Firefox to be the cause of computer problems and forbade it.
I've tried to hate the X-box, but I can't seem to do it.
well it was kind of a loose analogy but the idea was that this particular horse should never have even been born in this crazy barn turning out insane animals.
the horse is software patents, and the barn is the uspto.
Like dad told me on my wedding day, "if you ever go back in time, DONT TOUCH ANYTHING!"
So shoot the horse, drag his carcass back into the barn, bolt the door shut, and burn down the barn.
$250,000 supposedly
That's a good excuse? My god man, what were you telling them before?!
yes that's just about the same conclusion I came to as well. guess we can see who actually smokes eh?
My original idea was to be cremated and divided into portions and one of the portions be shot into the sun. But now I think I'm going to incorporate this idea into it. Wish I hadn't wasted all my mod points.
Did you just happen to be eating a peanut butter sandwich and drinking a glass of milk when you posted that? you sure did make me hungry...
I've actually always wanted to go out by being cremated and having at least some of my ashes flung into the general direction of the sun, and open and scatter into the universe. They'd probably drift into the sun and go with it when it explodes. I think it's a nice idea, and what else is a dead body good for?
it's my birthday too!
good afternoon. (guten abend?).
seems even at 6:30 am the site is getting slashdotted but, for one, i like it.
i know microsoft is the devil and all that, but i've grown accustomed to the XP interface at work. i use SuSE linux at home, and i like it. however, at work i use xp and find its interface better in many ways.
if only we could integrate all the hardware settings into the main gui like xp does for display settings and such, then linux would really take off with a window manager like this.
there's also a lot to say for copying OS X, or developing our own little gui interface altogether, but that's another post...
of course they should have made it with less bells and whistles and focused on usability. but i have yet to use an operating system that does.
i post this from konqueror on kde. kde is good because it works, bad because it has too many bells and whistles. keep in mind this is all on suse. i've had a bit of trouble with this suse box at home, but at work xp works fine for me. granted they both have their high points, but the main point here is:
nobody focuses on usability over features and prettiness anymore. so in a sense i think we agree. my only problem is that i dont see an alternative that justifies criticizing just windows for, because they all do it to a degree.
and XP is exactly what we needed 6 years ago, and we could have had it if open source in general would work together on improving one or two standards instead of being (as i believe someone posted somewhere else in this topic) a jack of all trades and a master of none.
i think that was all.
And this is a bad thing?
i think some of the replies to this post are missing the point. these are actually the better questions for the analogy, imho. people dont know exactly how their telephones or cars work, but they learn what they need to know to use them the way they want to.
however i think the point should be made that these things had to be TAUGHT to people, and it wasnt that hard to learn. some people just arent inclined towards electronics, while they may be brilliant in other areas. i think technology has too much of a bad name. people just hear the word 'technology' and go into luser mode.
computers are really too distinct a field to be put into such categories at this point. wait a generation and people will know as much about their computers as they do their cars and cell phones; they still wont know how they work, but they'll know enough to use them without major trouble.
with cars, if you know what you're doing there's no reason to take it to a mechanic except for major overhauls. same with a computer. i think cars and computers are a good analogy. you know how to drive, you know how to change a tire and change your oil, but most people dont know much more than that, except for the people that like cars and drive them and fix them as a hobby. same with computers.
end the 'war on drugs' and other such ideological wars.