No, we've never promised woody support RSN. The consistent line since XG 1.4 has been 'we'll support it when it is released as debian stable.'
Luis Villa
Ximian Bugmaster
'Does the sun rise in the East?'
C'mon, Cliff... please at least/try/ to make Ask Slashdot something more useful than a banner-selling rantfest.
Re:Ximian GNOME for Red Hat Linux 7.2 is out!
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Probably only a very small number of them will actually be used, though I suppose it won't hurt. Lots of them have had to be rebuilt to make sure they install cleanly on 7.2.
Re:Ximian GNOME for Red Hat Linux 7.2 is out!
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Red Hat 7.2 Released
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You have to install specifically for RH 7.2 from the web; the Red Carpet on the CD won't be of any help because of changes in librpm between 7.1 and 7.2.
That's not a valid excuse anymore:) see this note from Ximian. If someone could please mod that up so that maybe Hemos will correct his thoroughly damaging instructions on the top of the page that would be much appreciated.
Luis Villa [Ximian Bugmaster]
Please mod parent up and a note to Hemos and co.
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Just to re-emphasize, Hemos's instructions for 'cleaning' Ximian will seriously break your system- it'll remove glib (among other things) which will remove a large number of RH's system tools. So... don't.
Luis Villa [Ximian Bugmaster, who doesn't want to have to deal with 'Hemos broke my system' bugs all day]
Re:Why can't Civ use a hex grid?
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Sid Meier on Civ III
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So... maybe I'm missing something here, but... given a choice between moving in eight directions or moving in six directions, eight directions seems to create the richer gaming experience. But maybe that is just me.
Yeah, but does anyone know if the XFree driver supports the s-video out? I've been looking for any documentation on it and google is atypically unhelpful.
FWIW, I have no idea where your information on Bonobo is from, but Evolution and a number of other current GNOME projects use Bonobo extensively. If Bonobo was as unready as you claimed Evo wouldn't run at all:) [Disclaimer: Ximian employee, not the views of my employer, yada, yada.]
Um, what? RH? Not shipping with GNOME? What crack are you on? Every review of 7.2 I've read so far mentions how nice and polished their GNOME interface is. If someone could mod this troll into oblivion before he spreads more FUD it would be appreciated.
Re:Sun, why not KDE, for the last time?
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No GNOME For Solaris 9
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What he should have said was lgpl'd. Under GTK, developers can write proprietary solaris desktop software without having to pay anything to trolltech. [Disclaimer: I work for ximian, but obviously this post is not written as a Ximian ad, nor does it represent Ximian.]
Certain widgets that can be expected to behave in a standard way across all platforms (like scrollbars and some buttons) are in fact native on all moz problems. For example, moz on linux uses some of the gtk libraries for certain widgets. They're just pulled into moz and use their own theme so they appear to be integrated with moz and not your gtk theme.
Actually, I'm fairly certain gecko does do javascript, and it at least provides the bindings and/some/ of the architechture for plugins and prefs. However, in general, you are correct- wrapper is a much more accurate term for what galeon and k-meleon are than port.
There are songs that people who were involved in this tragedy (and that is many of us, all over this country) are not going to want to hear in the coming months. For a radio station to list these songs out and say 'you know, these might cause hurt and anguish to some of our listeners, so maybe we shouldn't play them' is absolutely a great call, and I commend them for it. To those of you who can't tell the difference between censorship and taste- grow up, or even better- go to downtown NYC and play these songs on a boombox. See how long it is before someone beats some sense into you for re-opening their wounds and pouring salt into them.
Maybe this is something that needs to be made clear- Business 2.0 was trying to stir up controversy, pure and simple, when they said Markus was trying to 'rub Lego's nose in it' when he chose legOS. That's simply not true- the article is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. legOS was always an obvious choice for an OS name, and that's why he went with it. Lego representatives (at the time) assured him that it was fine. Their public denial that they ever made those private assurances (which they did make) is part of what irritates me about this piece- sounds like they were trolled into it by the Business 2.0 people, not by anything Markus actually did (esp. since he hasn't done anything public with legOS in ages.)
I should be noting in my posts here that I am currently the maintainer of legOS, and I'm the developer who registered legOS.sourceforge.net. Had there been such inquiries, I would have known about them.
I've discussed this elsewhere, but Lego knew this was slightly more than a 'little tinkering project' 30 months ago when Wired wrote their first article on legOS, and Wired quoted a Lego spokesperson calling legOS 'great.' Flip through some of my other comments to find a link to the article.
Pretty cool link. I'd argue that legOS is not a game or toy, unless C is the new cool thing for kids to 'play' with in their idle time. legOS is used mainly for things like AI programming that require 'real' software- floating point stuff, infinite variables, data arrays, etc. But... lacking a category for 'programs' I could see how legOS might fall into games and playthings for lack of a better place.
Lego sells a $200 collection of hardware that happens to come with some software. Confusing a set of plastic bricks from Tyco with Lego products (if they were called legOS) would be easy. Confusing software written in C with motors, bricks and gears is pretty fucking hard. If Lego sold Mindstorms software separate and apart from the hardware, they'd have a very strong case for confusion. But they don't sell robotics software and have never indicated any intent to, so it is really hard to see where the confusion comes in.
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Red Carpet will crash instantly on the woody libc if you try that, though the installer might work.
No, we've never promised woody support RSN. The consistent line since XG 1.4 has been 'we'll support it when it is released as debian stable.'
Luis Villa
Ximian Bugmaster
'Does the sun rise in the East?' /try/ to make Ask Slashdot something more useful than a banner-selling rantfest.
C'mon, Cliff... please at least
Probably only a very small number of them will actually be used, though I suppose it won't hurt. Lots of them have had to be rebuilt to make sure they install cleanly on 7.2.
You have to install specifically for RH 7.2 from the web; the Red Carpet on the CD won't be of any help because of changes in librpm between 7.1 and 7.2.
That's not a valid excuse anymore :) see this note from Ximian. If someone could please mod that up so that maybe Hemos will correct his thoroughly damaging instructions on the top of the page that would be much appreciated.
Luis Villa [Ximian Bugmaster]
Just to re-emphasize, Hemos's instructions for 'cleaning' Ximian will seriously break your system- it'll remove glib (among other things) which will remove a large number of RH's system tools. So... don't.
Luis Villa [Ximian Bugmaster, who doesn't want to have to deal with 'Hemos broke my system' bugs all day]
So... maybe I'm missing something here, but... given a choice between moving in eight directions or moving in six directions, eight directions seems to create the richer gaming experience. But maybe that is just me.
Yeah, but does anyone know if the XFree driver supports the s-video out? I've been looking for any documentation on it and google is atypically unhelpful.
Uh-huh. Nod. That's slick and sophisticated... it would fool anyone with an IQ of oh, say, 2? [Must... find... willpower to stop feeding trolls...]
Argh. I can't believe I'm wasting my life responding to this troll. Link to the exploit details? huh? Thought so. Go away.
FWIW, I have no idea where your information on Bonobo is from, but Evolution and a number of other current GNOME projects use Bonobo extensively. If Bonobo was as unready as you claimed Evo wouldn't run at all :) [Disclaimer: Ximian employee, not the views of my employer, yada, yada.]
Um, what? RH? Not shipping with GNOME? What crack are you on? Every review of 7.2 I've read so far mentions how nice and polished their GNOME interface is. If someone could mod this troll into oblivion before he spreads more FUD it would be appreciated.
What he should have said was lgpl'd. Under GTK, developers can write proprietary solaris desktop software without having to pay anything to trolltech. [Disclaimer: I work for ximian, but obviously this post is not written as a Ximian ad, nor does it represent Ximian.]
Certain widgets that can be expected to behave in a standard way across all platforms (like scrollbars and some buttons) are in fact native on all moz problems. For example, moz on linux uses some of the gtk libraries for certain widgets. They're just pulled into moz and use their own theme so they appear to be integrated with moz and not your gtk theme.
Actually, I'm fairly certain gecko does do javascript, and it at least provides the bindings and /some/ of the architechture for plugins and prefs. However, in general, you are correct- wrapper is a much more accurate term for what galeon and k-meleon are than port.
There are songs that people who were involved in this tragedy (and that is many of us, all over this country) are not going to want to hear in the coming months. For a radio station to list these songs out and say 'you know, these might cause hurt and anguish to some of our listeners, so maybe we shouldn't play them' is absolutely a great call, and I commend them for it. To those of you who can't tell the difference between censorship and taste- grow up, or even better- go to downtown NYC and play these songs on a boombox. See how long it is before someone beats some sense into you for re-opening their wounds and pouring salt into them.
Maybe this is something that needs to be made clear- Business 2.0 was trying to stir up controversy, pure and simple, when they said Markus was trying to 'rub Lego's nose in it' when he chose legOS. That's simply not true- the article is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. legOS was always an obvious choice for an OS name, and that's why he went with it. Lego representatives (at the time) assured him that it was fine. Their public denial that they ever made those private assurances (which they did make) is part of what irritates me about this piece- sounds like they were trolled into it by the Business 2.0 people, not by anything Markus actually did (esp. since he hasn't done anything public with legOS in ages.)
Maybe because instead of asking nicely and saying 'thanks for all the sales you've generated' they threaten with lawyers?
It is MPL so Stallman would be running after us... but probably for different reasons :)
I should be noting in my posts here that I am currently the maintainer of legOS, and I'm the developer who registered legOS.sourceforge.net. Had there been such inquiries, I would have known about them.
I've discussed this elsewhere, but Lego knew this was slightly more than a 'little tinkering project' 30 months ago when Wired wrote their first article on legOS, and Wired quoted a Lego spokesperson calling legOS 'great.' Flip through some of my other comments to find a link to the article.
Pretty cool link. I'd argue that legOS is not a game or toy, unless C is the new cool thing for kids to 'play' with in their idle time. legOS is used mainly for things like AI programming that require 'real' software- floating point stuff, infinite variables, data arrays, etc. But... lacking a category for 'programs' I could see how legOS might fall into games and playthings for lack of a better place.
The article doesn't specify this, but the software would be hard to 'buy out' since it is MPL and hosted on sourceforge.
Lego sells a $200 collection of hardware that happens to come with some software. Confusing a set of plastic bricks from Tyco with Lego products (if they were called legOS) would be easy. Confusing software written in C with motors, bricks and gears is pretty fucking hard. If Lego sold Mindstorms software separate and apart from the hardware, they'd have a very strong case for confusion. But they don't sell robotics software and have never indicated any intent to, so it is really hard to see where the confusion comes in.