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Red Hat 7.2 Released
Spirit writes "Red Hat has anounced the release of Version 7.2 distribution with Gnome 1.4 and Nautilus, default ext3 fliesystem and according to ZDnet migration from LILO to GRUB"
Updated by HeUnique:There are some issues to note before upgrading: The kernel that comes with the RH 7.2 is heavily patched 2.4.7 and has been tested quite heavily on fully loaded Linux boxes - so the recommendation is to use it
If you're upgrading from the previous Red Hat 7.1 and you're using Ximian GNOME, then you might want to erase all Ximian GNOME RPMS (use the command: rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep -i ximian` --nodeps to erase the RPMS). Red Hat's GNOME RPMS has been more tested then Ximian's one and there is a conflict between them. You cannot use Red-Carpet on Redhat 7.2 as it will fail with the RPM libraries.
These are the most critical notes about Redhat 7.2. You might want to read the README & the Release-notes which appears on the 1st ISO image.
Oh, and if you already installed it - then have some fun with the new un-official RPMS from Enigma's section of FreshRPMS
Welcome to Enigma...
RedHat seems to have broken the addage "Only use the even numbers" with 7.0 (not a very good edition in most folks opinions). And 7.1 was solid, so 7.2 could be dangerous. I think I'll be waiting until a few people install it before upgrading.
Furthermore, RedHat does not support "upgrading" from a Ximian (bka HelixCode) gnome distribution, and with 7.1 at least this failed -- so if you use the much better Ximian distro of gnome as opposed to RedHat's you might want to wait till they have made it 7.2-ready.
If anyone's gone through the upgrade, please post and let us know what problems you have. I'm particularly interested in any with Java. Thanks!
Get Rid of Unused Bullshit ... maybe it'll delete the microsoft partitions.
Nah, it is :
GNU GRUB, the GRand Unified Bootloader
well, Mandrake has it already since 7.1 and I'll stick to my SuSE 7.3 professional anyway.
Some like it with bugs..... I don't!
What the hell is that? I hope you aren't getting payed too do thes.
hmm...i wonder why they switched over to GRUB ? trying to fill their ChangeLog i guess...tztz
hiro
Martin May
To forestall the inevitable questions
-- why not reiserfs, xfs, jfs, etc.
First look at the total feature
list of ext3 and compare, in particular the
compatibility (forwards AND backwards) with ext2.
There may or may not be better candidates for
a fs, but there are certainly none better for
a default install.
I have been playing with the 7.2 betas (roswell) since it came out, and with the 7.2 release for about a week now.
I am very pleased with Redhat 7.2, it has given me very few problems, and it was the first Linux distribution that installed into my laptop without any tweaks.
The main enhancements (as visible by the user):
Grub instead of lilo (but you can still use lilo if you want to ..).
Grub is a great boot loader, similar to the "boot monitor" of real
Unix hardware. Grub understands the file system, so you do not need
to reinstall Grub every time you update your kernel (like you have to
with lilo). Once you are in the grub boot promt, you can boot any OS on
your system (eg. from a floppy)
Mozilla and Nautilus: (I am a gnome user)
Mozilla 0.9.2.1 is a rather old release, but it was the release chosen by Netscape for NS6.1 so it is quite good. Nautilus is 1.0.4 + a lot of patches from RH (Alan Cox ?) to speed things up. Natilus is still somewhat slow, but I don't use file managers so much, so I don't care. I think that you should have at least 128 MB ram to run it, is was slow on one of my test machines with 64MB ram and a sub optimal disk system. Seeing the speed and stability improvements of Mozilla in the last 6 months, I am quite confident that Nutilus will be a great file manager (++) in a short time frame. It is a very good "eye candy", and impresses every Windows user seeing it. If you for one reason or another, don't like Nautilus, use the good old GNU Midnight Commander instead (yes it is on the CD).
Kernel, gcc, ptyhon, etc
The kernel is 2.4.7 + a lot of patches. Since RedHat 7.1 is at kernel 2.4.9-6 already, I believe that we will see an updated kernel soon. The main compiler is RedHats own 2.96 + modifications, and python is at 1.5.2-35. You will find gcc 3.01 and python 2.1.1 on the CD which can be installed separately. RedHat 8.0 will probably use these as default.
Postfix, Apache:
Redhat has dropped support for Postfix (a sendmail replacement), which used to be on the Powertools CD. I really don't know why, but I hope that the next RedHat release will fix this major bug. Apache is the rock solid 1.3.20.
Executive Summary:
RH7.2 is a polished good distribution. Since it is a .2 version, RedHat
is going to support it for a looong time, and it will become the first
choice for many system administrators for serious linux servers (that is,
until 8.2 is released).
RFC1925
Red Hat 7.2 isn't quite a knife in the heart of Windows yet. However, we can't help but feel that it will certainly nick a major artery.
I nicked a major artery this morning shaving. Those things hurt pretty badly and bleed profusely.
I hope to see Bill Gates with many little pieces of toilet paper on his cheeks at the XP launch.
RedHat 7.2 gives you the option of choosing between the two ( and choice is great) but i fear what i'm unfamiliar with so i stuck with LILO, but i jumped all over ext3fs (which was also a choice)
get your dirty sig off me, you filthy APE!
I'm also surprised about KDE 2.2, since KDE 2.2.1 has been out for quite a while now. The same goes for the kernel version (2.4.7), and a few other things. Didn't RedHat used to have more recent things in their earlier distributions?
Is any of this proprietary, or has RH managed to stay comeletely OS? If not, what all pieces are *not* open, and what kind of licenses do they have? I remember some distro went to some kind of per seat licensing lately (or some /. article mentioned they would, but I don't remember who). Also, what RH specific changes are in this gcc? I saw they were using gcc-2.96-RH or something like that, which I presume to be a version RH has tweaked. Why isn't gcc-3.01 being distributed? Does it have major issues?
Your an idiot. KDE2 is there, ReiserFS is there, they just happen to NOT be the defaults. So go cry some other tune and check your facts before acting like a dumbass. IF your too stupid to not select OPTION B instead of the default OPTION A, then go back to windows where you belong.
Linux just seems to be going from strength to strenght while Micro$oft struggle to persuade their (l)users to upgrade to yet another version.
It just goes to show the power of the Open Source 'bazaar' development model.
I am a bit concerned about this GRUB thing, does it replace LILO ? I've only just got the hang of lilo after all these years. I hope all my enrgy has not gone to waste.
Anyone know if this version will have support for the new higher speed USB that is coming out soon ?
Everytime I download a distro, within a week a new one comes out. I just finished downloading all 3 CD ISOs for Red Hat 7.1 and Tools and now they release 7.2
I'm switching to FreeBSD. Those guys update MUCH more slowly...
Why do users with IDs under 100,000 or over 700,000 usually have the most worthwhile comments?
Have they improved their crappy installer? If they ever want to make it outside of the clueful user category they're going to have to improve their installation process under every conceivable condition. And if an installation is restarted it should continue from where it left off, if at all possible. And the install logging is pathetic. A list of packages that have been installed. Nothing about the state of the machine at each stage, which would be useful.
There, now my Monday morning rant, however lame, is done I can get on with my coding, which will be bug free and highly optimised, first time, every time.
Okay, maybe not.
:wq
This has been at my local CompUSA (Fairfax, VA) for over a week. Anyone have any ideas as to why?
ZOMG I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ON MACINTOSH VERSUS WINDOWS, VI VERSUS EMACS, AND HOW YOU'RE NOT A DORK
I'd love to read a comparison between these two famous Linux distros: features, stability, ergonomy... That would be interesting!
The whole beuty of Linux is that you can go be happy with your KDE etc. and I can do fine and dandy in Gnome! Neither of us have to compromise! Yea, now Ive been trolled.
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
Does anyone know when will Red Hat have RH Linux 7.2 available in a commercial package (e.g., manuals and CD-ROM discs).
I still haven't seen the commercial package release of Linux Mandrake 7.1.
From my previous experience with the RedHat range, I can only come to the assumption that this latest incarnation will be surely even more bloated than the last.
:)
Actually, I think I stopped using RH around v6.1 - blah blah please no "but you don't have to install all the rpm's" flames.
It won't be long before you will have RedHat in one hand and Windows in the other hand and they'll both weigh about the same. Long live bloatware
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story..."
Does anyone know what is on disc 2? Do I really need to download that?
FAT? Hardly! ext3 uses is built on extension hooks designed into ext2, allowing you to mount ext3 partitions with an ext2-only kernel (of course no journalling in that case). Also, it takes a few seconds to "convert" ext2 to ext3, can't get easier than that! :-)
Personally I find it impressive that the foresight in the ext2 design allowed for ext3 to evolve the way it did with the backwords compatibility
And hey, it just works. Performance is like ext2, except you never have to fsck anymore when the machine doesn't shut down properly. And your ext2 bootfloppies still work, you don't have to reformat your partitions first, and did I mention it just works? :-)
So why not? ReiserFS would be more suited for news spool and squid cache partitions, but if you just want your same old system except for the fsck's, ext3 is the way to go.
Although i do have to agree with you on the gnome/kde thing, a GUI in C is just as easy as a GUI in C++, granted oop is nicer for widgets etc... its still just as easy to initialize and use widgets writen in C. But its really apples and oranges were talking about here, they both get the job done, it really is just a mater of what language the programmer prefers.
I will bend your mind with my spoon
For those wondering what da h-ll GRUB is, I can tell you I have never seen a better bootloader. Its just soooo powerful. And it also supports the "multiboot"-feature, a feature Linux unfortunately is still missing. =(
Btw, does RedHat still have those annoying init-files in a houndred different subdirectories? Thats what irritated me the most with RH 6, the evil mess of the init-files!
http://freshrpms.net/misc/enigma.html
Also, don't forget to go get all the "missing" goodies (xine, lame, nessus...) from http://enigma.freshrpms.net/
Happy download! :-)
Matthias
Im surpised: ext3 as a default fs!? Is there an option to use ReiserFS instead of ext3? I've converted all but / and /boot to reiserfs more than a year ago and never had any problems with it. I think that ext3 has not been tested by public as much as reiserfs.
UK folks should findu ti ons/redhat/7.2
ftp://zeniiib.linux.theplanet.co.uk/pub/distrib
nice and fast (its the new linux.org.uk test box)
Alan
For once, the retailers had product at launch--some of them even jumped the gun. So you can buy your boxed set RIGHT NOW all over this fair land (USA).
/. three days ago, and the submission was, of course, rejected. There are several unofficial mirrors that have been serving Enigma (7.2) isos for days, but you're on your own.
Which I told
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The feature list includes Netscape 4.78, which is proprietary (although free of charge). I can't find a link, but I read an article about Red Hat reluctantly leaving in Netscape, as they felt that Mozilla is not ready.
But it may just as well be.
I've been using RH since 2.0.27 on a 386SX/12, and like many of you, have stuck with Red Hat in one form or another for many years. However, recently Red Hat's distrib has begun to suffer, largely because of oddball decisions like the ones we're seeing in 7.2.
LILO has been replaced with GRUB. Why? So we can confuse things even more for the people who we're trying to attract to the platform? If it aint broke, don't fix it, gang. You have an installed user base that knows the ins and outs of LILO, and has for years..Now that knowledge has been deprecated. Books will have to be rewritten, headaches arise, the whole nine yards will unfold as people have to sit down and digest yet another piece of Linux minutia..Why bother. LILO works. Sometimes switching one working part with another for only minimal gains is NOT a good idea..the situation doesn't mandate such changes.
Cheers, and yes, PROPAGANDA is still running,
Bowie J. Poag
On this page, a redhat employee explained why they chose ext3.
It was also the topic of a previous slashdot post.
This extract sums it up :
Why do you want to migrate from ext2 to ext3? Four main reasons: availability, data integrity, speed, and easy transition.
[...]
Again, we don't claim that every one of these points are unique to ext3. Most of them are shared by at least one other filesystem. We merely claim that the set of all of them together is true only for ext3.
Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education. Bertrand Russel
An official statement on why ext3 was chosen (ext2 compatibility is a major reason, but not the only one) can be found here.
This message is provided under the terms outlined at http://www.bero.org/terms.html
http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/rhl_compare.h tml
Once again this one's got a special version of gcc
gcc 2.96-RH
I'm worried....(remember 7.0's fiasco)
-Andy
I'm still running 6.2 w/ any patches that
concern me.
I don't particularly see any need to upgrade
to 7.0, 7.1 or 7.2 for that matter.
What's the big deal?
This is going to be a though choice, Redhat throws 7.2 at the world, Mandrake 8.1 and SuSE released 7.3(however /. does not consider that news)
Personally I prefer SuSE and can't wait for 7.3 however I must say that Redhat 7.2 looks promesing too, however at a first glance, IMHO SuSE looks better for starting linux users.
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity
You'll notice it was conveniently left out how dog slow ext3 is in comparison to ReiserFS or any other jfs, for that matter. We don't use RedHat on any of our production boxes, but I'd advise anyone that does and needs performance to stick with ext2.
By the way, folks, Nautilus is dead. The fact that they went out of business so quickly ought to tell you something about their product.
Was Eazel trying to sell people copies of Nautilus? I dont think so. They were trying to sell services offered through nautilus, which nobody wanted. They went under because they didn't have a revenue stream, not because Nautilus sucked. Nautilus is not dead, the release of 1.0.5 in the last week shows that, the work has been taken up by the community, and Nautilus seems to be benefitting from that.
Have't even installed 7.1 yet and now 7.2 is out, I just can't keep up with rapid advances in technology. :)
1. Go to the official ftp.redhat.com site and get the MD5SUM:
efab549656a1a85ab8fa39eb873eff0e enigma-SRPMS-disc1.iso
70703897af7703b40e41777a3aa186c3 enigma-SRPMS-disc2.iso
cf7bce0c1cdbfedfae29e60aef202f6f enigma-i386-disc1.iso
fd705b3e5d0e37a828db35d21195a9f6 enigma-i386-disc2.iso
2. Go to any available mirror that isn't slashdotted...I found:
ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov
That is the single crapest feature in KDE. It is still better than GNOME (but then so's not having a computer). Windowmaker is a real working environment; KDE and GNOME are just toys.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Slither hither, ye hapless Redhat user!
And when you're done with that, join the clan!
a 100Mbps mirror in Czech Republic, Europe can be found at ftp.linux.cz.
-Yenya
--
While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it has to be. --Linus
Please provide a testcase. Our tests have shown that (unless you compile in full debugging), ext3 is actually faster than ext2.
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>Secondly, GNOME?[...]
:) Touching four religions in one post. Programming language, distribution, Gnome/KDE, Integration/Small tools. You failed to mention your favourite browser, politics, Star Wars/Star Trek, an audiophile theme of your choice (CD/LP/MP3/Ogg).
:) )
>Who writes a GUI in C, for crying out loud[...]
>I really like how everything in KDE is integrated
>SuSE [...] prefer over Redhat
Expect to be flamed.
Anyway... Choosing a more conservative filesystem as default is not necessary evil. Especially if your targeting a lots of different users.
About writing in C... Well, take the language that suits you most. Personally, I'd rather write larger programs in C++, too (Smaller ones I prefer C). But I don't think it you HAVE to write them in C++, especially if your more proficient in C.
About the integration in KDE, I like it, too.
At least on my desktop. But surely not on my notebook, there I prefer Blackbox or a CLI.
Expect to be proposed(threatened?) to use Windows as integration should be its philosophy in contrast to Unix.
As if using small programs stem from philosophy and not 8k total memory. (Real men program by rewireing, only quiche-eaters need IDEs
To show my point, I'll quickly state that I think the difference between Unix and Windows is the possibilty to use different tools including lightweight programs or Integrated Enviroments matching your taste and/or technical outfit.
"Between strong and weak, between rich and poor [...], it is freedom which oppresses and the law which sets free"
What is the coolest Linux distribution? I've installed Red Hat in the past (version 6 something) but I never really did anything with it. Anyway I was talking to a friend of mine and was kind of bragging a little bit more than I should and I was telling him that I used Linux. You know... because Linux like makes you "cool" or something. :) Anyway, now I'm in a bit of a pinch because I need to get Linux installed on my system again so I can show it off to him and I'm wondering what distribution is the coolest? Which one has the biggest "wow" factor? The slickest installation? The best default Desktop setup? The least amount of command line interaction (preferably NONE!).
Thanks
hopefully grub supports xp. i recently tested xp as an alternative for win2000 (my company forces me to use windows - i can't they force me to use office buhuhu) and when i wanted to boot, lilo told me that only Linux is present on my system (and yes, i had xp installed). hopefully grub recognizes xp
".Sig Stealer" was here
So because the kernel has been heavily tested, you should use it. Don't worry about the local root exploits published to bugtraq on 18 October by Rafal Wojtczuk.
If RedHat want to compete with Microsoft in the server arena, comments like this should _not_ be made after a vulnerability is released!
I migrated my / filesystem (only the one Linux filesystem on my laptop - it dual-boots) from ext2 ro ext3. Totally seamless. No time lost with fsck.
I accidentally nobbled the ext3 module (by upgrading the kernel and omitting the initrd that normally loads the ext3 module from linuxrc). Red Hat seamlessly mounted as ext2 - no loss of data (but obviously no journalling). Puttng the initrd back brought me back into the ext3 fold, again seamlessly. It was completely painless -I was really impressed. This experience is with 7.1.93 - I have not yet tried 7.2
In fact, I might not ever try 7.2 because of the really annoying ppp-watcher in 7.1. I had an ISP problem where the chat script would fail to authenticate, and the ppp-watcher just dialled again and again and again... Really annoying, and hard to change. I'm sure I'd miss RH if I stopped using it because I've used it since RH 2.1. For the moment I'm running Red Hat 7.1.93 at home and Debian on my laptop.
[Disclaimer: I don't use Red Hat, I use a certain other distro, for whom I used to work, but...]
;-)
Just cos you don't like Red Hat's choices, doesn't make them bad, remember, Free Software is about choices...
a journaling system tacked on to the old ext2 system
Yes, it is, but that sort of makes it easier to migrate to (and revert from!). I personally use Reiser, but I recognise the benefit of ext3.
any rational reason for choosing GNOME over KDE2
Some people prefer it! I am one of them (and there are a lot of us...) And when RH fund GNOME development, it stands to reason that they'll use it as the default desktop. SuSE fund KDE and lo and behold it's SuSE's default. (and other distros choose one way or the other) You don't have to use the default, make your own choice - you choose KDE2, fine, it's a great desktop just don't moan about GNOME, ok?)
Nautilus is dead
No, Eazel is dead, and Nautilus has gone through at least two revisions since then, and is being ported to GNOME2 - that's the great thing about Free Software - it outlives any company if it's good, and Nautilus is goooood! (I don't use it - not enough memory, but hey, it's all about choice innit?)
type in a URL...fire up the appropriate program
GNOME does this too oddly, oh, and it does have a great browser in Galeon.
So, just because you don't use RH doesn't make it any less news. This is a significant revision (remember, noone uses a RedHat version line until x.2 if they have any sense
Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
Never used Windowmaker, but I agree with you that KDE and GNOME are just toys. The comments made about KDE being superior to Windows Explorer are somewhat out there. Windows Explorer (on NT / 2000 - 9x is too clunky) is, the only genuinely useable GUI filesystem shell thingy that I have come accross. I have a feeling this post is gonna upset the Linux mafia, but hey, everyones entitled to their opinion.
I Sig 11'ed everytime I tried to install RedHat 7.1, even though I had no problems with the same hardware in RH7. Anyone had a Sig 11 fault on install with RH7.2 yet? I'd like to be able to jump to that, if possible, but don't want to waste time trying to upgrade if I'm just going to have the same Sig 11 faults.
>Who writes a GUI in C, for crying out loud!?
All the people seriously concerned with performance. In recent slashdot articles and various KDE mailing list posts, it was analyzed that the memory and loading times of C++ programs needed serious improvement, especially on the linker and compiler side.
I sincerely hope GCC and LD will be fixed soon because its really a shame to have such a great system as Linux being bogged down by multiple copies of libraries in RAM...
When Mandrake 8.1 came out many people flamed it for using a custom kernel. RH has done exactly the same thing again, but no flaming. What gives?
Will Redhat 7.2 support reiserfs? 7.1 certainly didn't, bombed on startup. I had to wipe all the partions and drop back to ext2. Same thing with devfs...not supported.
I want the ease of use that comes with RH packaging but it would be nice if their install didn't bomb.
We all scream when Microsoft decides what's in and what's out. It will be very hard to devfs and reiserfs to succeed if RH makes it difficult.
Besides, RedHat lets you choose at installation, so you can <sarcasm>"leverage" the mountain of knowledge you have about LILO</sarcasm>. Like there's so much to know...
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
My God, I just finished downloading 5.1, and now they're already up to 7.2? Great. Just great. Next you're going to tell me they've gone past the 2.2.14 kernel...
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Bleah! Heh heh heh... BLEAH BLEAH!!! Ha ha ha ha...
I understand RedHat cannot integrate ipsec / FreeS/WAN into the Linux distribution because of US export restrictions.
Is there an "official" way to upgrade RH 7.2 to a kernel version with ipsec support (i.e. frees/wan) for European folks? The absence of this feature in RH becomes a more and more serious concern for my company.
Of course we know how to patch and compile a kernel. Maintenance must still be easy, though. Installing a custom kernel on several customer servers also means that we cannot use Redhat's update kernel RPMs but must maintain our own ones, so kernel (and possibly other packages) updates get complicated. It will not possible to respond on security issues as quickly as when using RH kernel RPMs.
It would be a great benefit for European customers if RedHat could at least draw the "official" procedure how to make this RH Linux version ipsec capable and then maintain this procedure as new kernel RPM packages or RedHat Linux versions appear.
Is there an easy way to upgrade from 6.2. The problem is, that I have installed latest XFree and GNOME and kernel from source.
You'll notice how he conveniently left out a test case. As well as any substantiating evidence apart from his opinion. This could also be described as "above AC is full of shit."
:)
Dontcha love wasting your breath on those guys?
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I just upgraded my home machine to Mandrake 8.1, which comes with the same general software packages that RedHat ships. While I (of course) haven't tried the new RH yet, I'll make a general observation based on KDE, Gnome and all the other little goodies which ship on a modern Linux distribution: Usability of Linux (on a well-setup machine) is no longer an argument against it's use.
...
Let me explain: when people talk about usabuility, they typically mean "it is (or it isn't) like on Windows" and maybe "it is (or it isn't) like on a Mac". This is not what I would call usability, but rather something like "environment inertia"; people don't like change even if it is for the (long term) better.
After seeing my mom (aged 60+, bought her first computer 1 year ago, never used a computer before that) struggle with Windows when needing to do rather simple/basic things, I've grown convinced that a (well set up) KDE desktop is just as usable as Windows and that the so often touted Windows usability is nothing more than a myth. Windows is usable once you're used to it; otherwise is't as difficult (or easy) than any other decent windowing system (yes, KDE certainly fits this description, GNOME probably does; this is *not* meant as flamebait but just an abservation of the way these Desktops are configured in the newest Mandrake 8.1 release; your milage may vary). These don't work quite the same way as Windows, but it basically do the same things, provides you with menus, with end-user friendly software (KOffice is pretty cool & looks nice, KMail is quite user friendly, etc) and nice GUI configuration tools. If you have a chance sometime, watch someone who's never used a computer try to figure out Windows; it's very instructive to see that Windows itself is not more or less intuitive than any other windowing
system; once you've mastered the concepts and abstractions, it becomes easy. The so called usability advantange of Windows is mostly imprinting, inertia and FUD; the functional differences are starting to disappear or become neglegible.
The biggest obstacle at this point is device/drive support and the need to recompile kernels to get some stuff to work. Usability is (generally speaking) just fine, provided you're working on a well-setup & installed box
At least I was *happy* when RedHat released this thing to the world. I know some of you don't like RedHat, but hey - you don't *have to* use it. There is plenty of choise when selecting the right distribution for you.
I prefer RedHat, I've allways done, but still I am happy to see the releases of other distributions as well. I have thought that choice is what this whole linux-thing is all about.
For example, they're using ext3. Blech. It is a journaling system tacked on to the old ext2 system, which seems a little too much like the evolution of FAT to me.
The on-disk format is the same, but because the algorithms for accessing it are dramatically different, ext3 is faster than ext2 *and* journaled. It's not a "paradigm shift" like ReiserFS is, but it isn't just a crap incremental upgrade.
Secondly, GNOME? Can they give any rational reason for choosing GNOME over KDE2?
They went with Gnome before KDE2 was around, if I remember correctly. And they now include both and allow the choice at install time, so it's nothing other than which radio button is selected by default.
I think you can count me out on this distro, for now I'm sticking with SuSE (which several rigorous reviewers prefer over Redhat anyway), with ReiserFS and KDE2.
I used to like SuSE until I saw how their RPM packages are put together. Now I wonder how it runs at all, but to each his own.
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
-ext3 maybe will not score the best in a single FileSystems comparison table. But, overall, is a pretty darn good filesystem. It is stable, you can migrate easily, is fast... We are talking about RedHat 7.2, that is, a stable distribution
-Last time that I checked (5 minutes ago) you can choose between Gnome, KDE... as your default desktop environment/graphical login/workstation installation. Even if you choose to select as default graphical environment GNOME, you can select KDE for your use and set it as your default one. Nuff said.
-Who cares about a programming language? If you do not like it, port it to C++. Show me the code.
-You obiously have no idea of Linux. You can run Konqueror form within GNOME!.
-Nautilus is pretty cool. It has a whole bunch of interesting features, like the "tabbed" way of displaying multiple webpages (instead of having multiple separated windows). This is A Good Thing (TM). If you don't like it, don't use it. Linux is about choice.
-RedHat 7.2 comes with KDE 2.2.1.
BTW, you sounded like a Troll.
Enjoy the best RedHat!
I installed Mandrake 7.2 awhile ago, which installed grub. It's a real shame that it actually reads data from the Linux partition. I had deleted my Linux partition, leaving my Win98 partition, and my system wouldn't boot anymore, it just locked up on grub with the text "stage 1 stage 2".
Please excuse me, I'm sure I should have dug through the source code and figured out what was happening in stage2, modified the behavior, recompile, re-install, and everything would have been just fine. But since I didn't have 30 days to bother with it, a FDISK/MBR was happy to solve my problem.
Personally, I find that to be fairly pathetic that a boot loader is doing something can crash it.
Yeah, I konw it's trollish to say you're distro sucks. But from my personal experience Red Hat is pretty good, except for two things. 1) it doesn't have the hardware support 2) it doesn't come with all the nifty packages that I need/want. One thing good can be said for red hat, it is very very easy and stable. To each his own.
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I love postfix, but people wanting to use it on RHL should be aware of this issue with procmail. (And if anyone has a solution, we'd all love to know.)
That's a good question. I still run one machine at home with Win95 first edition plus a shitload of patches (all backed to CD). Friends scoff, but when I ask them what the functional difference is between my install and WinME (aka Win95 5th Edition), they don't generally have a convincing answer.
I have to agree with the "what's the big deal?" sentiment. Is there some reason why we turn every release of every open source OS distro into a big event (or at least a big discussion)?
Honest question: who is this announcement aimed at? The people who are likely to upgrade already know. Those who aren't likely to upgrade don't really care. Casual/non nerd buyers will grab whatever the latest version is off of a shelf.
I can't in all honesty see why this is any more newsworthy than any of the Win95 evolutions. Instead of modding me as a troll, can you consider explaining to my poor addled brain why this announcement will surprise or excite anyone?
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Seems as though Red Hat has learned a few marketing tricks from Microsoft given that the pdc begins today (.net hysteria) and xp is coming out later this week.
Why do people not gzip the iso files before they put them on the ftp sites? It's something I have never understood. Even with a great deal of the content already compressed, I have got a typical saving of ~10-15% on various distro install disks. Saving 80 odd megabytes of download per disk, per user is a lot. And how hard is it to type "zcat blah.iso | cdrecord" when you have it?
Never mind that anyway - don't download it, buy it from Redhat instead. But does anyone else wish RH would sell cheap disk sets like mdk do? I bet it would only improve their profits. They would be bought mostly by ppl who currently download the isos (like me), not the ppl who currently buy the boxed sets ('cos they all want manuals etc otherwise they would download also)
MartinG.
-- MartinG To mail me: echo kewyjlcxyzvjfxbqwh | tr bcefhjklqvwxyz
Well, file a bug report:
When computers show up at your doorstep, you'll know the problem has been fixed.
OK, I'll try to explain:
For John D. User or any other mere mortals trying to USE a linux distro, what warrants the upgrade to newer versions of distros X,Y or Z would be the improvements in the main destop environments (KDE, Gnome). Yes, the under the hood improvements are nice, but the UI counts for much more if you just want to *use* your computer.
Not everyone attracted to Linux/*BSD is a kernel developper or a Perl/Python/C jock. There are non-programmers who are fed up with M$ and want to try something else. Since not everyone is willing to assemble all the parts (latest kernel, latest XFree86, latest KDE, etc.), these new and improved distros fit the bill quite nicely for these non-geek by giving them all they want/need in one nicely integrated package.
Let me get this straight: updates are bad, bad, bad???
Updates and patches are the biggest reason I run Linux now. Wouldn't you rather update than run old shit?
We got some
Why is the new gcc not being used as the default compiler? The way I see it, having it as an optional compiler does very little good, here is the reason. suppose I install gcc 3.01, but use the rpm for QT library. any and all programs i compile against the library will fail to run because of the different ABI between the two compilers they were compiled under. Sure, as a C compiler it should be plenty compatible, but for a C++ compiler, you must have consistancy, or it simply wont work.
Interesting - 7.1 requires (without any option for an expirienced admin to override) the target machine to have at least 32M. Now this version is listed (in the ZDnet article) as requiring 64M. I'm sorry but I still have older machines on my home network that work quite well with 16M since I know how to get rid of the extra kitchen sinks that even the so called "Expert" minimal install puts on a system.
Time to go to Debian and stop the code bloat.
It's good to see you always come alive to help filter out what is right and what is rumour with the release of a RedHat (and the comments in the /. forum :)
Does anyone know if there's a way to happily upgrade rh's gcc? I'd like to use gcc 3.0.1, but i've been hearing that everything breaks if you install it.
Got Freedom?
Thinking?
Its been on the selves of store in the US for a few days
on the redhat mailing list there seems to be a problem with printers
But I will down load my ISO now and fix that up with the needed
kernel and samba up dates
You can find one of many tests here. Please return to your hole now.
Well, as long as this article is full of Linux Geeks 8)
I have an M3309 DVD card, from ALI.
Right now on a W98 8| because no other OS has the drivers...
But I've seen it in the driver list from 2.3.5...
does anyone have any experience of this card under Linux ? (=> does it work ? not perform, just work will do 8)
Hoping to read from you,
It takes 40+ muscles to frown, but only four to extend your arm and bitchslap the motherfucker
Please provide a testcase. Our tests have shown that (unless you compile in full debugging), ext3 is actually faster than ext2.
You know, while you're thinking about FS and all, I want to know why ReiserFS debugging was turned on in 7.1 and all the sample kernel configs.
It made reiserfs incredibly slow unless one recompiled the kernel, and did something other than make oldconfig. Was this deliberate to make reiserfs look bad or what?
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Joe home user won't see any difference, but if you're running enterprise class servers, this was a HUGE step forward.
The limitations on CPU and RAM support were increased to 8 processors and 8GB of RAM. So if you're running an enterprise DB server, or application server, this is something that makes a major impact in the data center.
That's a very good question, AC. Since there really is no distribution that fits your criteria, I've decided to create a new distribution, which will be called "l33t L1|\|ux", of course, although its internal codename will be "Poser Linux" because that's easier to spell and means the same thing.
I plan to replace all messages in the source code with their l33t_5p34k equivalents, for starters. It'll have an Enlightenment desktop, with a Matrix theme, of course - gotta stick to stuff that everyone recognizes as cool, even your parents, otherwise someone might not realize that you're cool. Best of all, this distribution is going to be 100% free - I'll even fedex you the CDs 2-day, for free! I figure the daemon I install to email me your parent's credit card numbers when you buy something online will more than make up for any distribution costs!
Today is RH 7.2 officialy released, and today we have these errata-updates:
kernel, openssh, squid, util-linux, nscd, glibc, mew
... I was wandering is there any sane ppl in RH menagement? Who decided to release RH 7.2, and not wait 1-2 week? Or you printed CDs and thus have no way back???
i
I upgraded my mom from Windows NT4 to RH7.1, and after the usual "why does it look different" she seems quite happy about being able to doubleclick everything in her mail inbox... and how many 62 year old women that invite to coffee talk with the neighbors tell about upgrading to Red Hat 7.2? Mine does!!!
RH 7.2 solves a real issue - sometimes (once a month) her harddisk stops working. A hardware error. ext3 makes it possible to start up again without runnin fsck manually. ext3 is the biggest stability improvement for the average end-user.
Lars.
I don't particularly see any need to upgrade to 7.0, 7.1 or 7.2 for that matter.
What's the big deal?
I've used every version of RedHat since 3.3, and several versions of Mandrake over the last 6 years. That's a lot of upgrading, particularly since I have several servers and workstations running Linux. My firewall/proxy/router is still running a heavily upgraded version of RH 6.1, and my mail server is running a butchered version of RH 6.0. My internal web server and all of the workstations are running RH 7.1, and I'll be upgrading some of those to RH 7.2 in the near future, as it stabilizes.
Here's a short list of my reasons to upgrade to RH 7.X:
Ultimately with Red Hat, they've done a good job of supporting older X.2 releases, but support doesn't mean adding new features. If you want the new features, you'll want to upgrade. If you don't want/need them, then stick with what works. At least Red Hat (and most Linux distros) give you that choice -- as opposed to certain eXtra Proprietary systems.
We call it art because we have names for the things we understand.
The issue is not being 'bogged down by multiple copies' but that C++ needs a bit of support on the side of the dynamic linker (well actually it's is the dynamic linker who needs help dealing with the C++ code).
I am glad that this problem surfaced in the way it did and that it is being worked on because it will make life easier in the long run.
It's a good idea, but you get continual updates. If you run stable, you can update to cvs daily if you feel the need . . . however, if you're builidng from source (doesn't everyone?
hawk
Does RedHat address the 2.4.x incompatability with iBCS (or ABI as it's now known)? In the kernel 2.2.x releases, they included kernels compiled with SCO binary aware iBCS. I don't know about anyone else, but isn't it crucial as an enterprise system which is trying to gain a large foothold in the business market to maintain compatability with xNIX's? I've tried multiple times to successfully install the patches (which I might add are NOT on the sourceforge site, but only found by emailing the maintainer) for ABI with no success. Does anyone know if RH included kernels compiled with this or not?
This is a *very* fast mirror
h at /redhat/linux/7.2/
http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/red
what for ?
Doesn't work most the time...
Go and buy a Set Top Box !
nuff said
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right
... Changes have to be made at some point. If convention wasn't broken, now and then, advancement would be slower. This is not an absolute rule, mind you, but in some cases it is better to break from tradition, even if it means sacrificing familiarity. If you use a GUI, Which window manager do use? I'm betting that you're probably not still using twm. And, hey, given the aptitude of most of the people who use Linux, learning a new piece of software shouldn't be too difficult. How long does it take to mill through a man page?
Michael
ReiserFS still corrupts filesystems
JFS still corrupts filesystems, also a bit overkill
XFS not tested enough, overkill.
I don't know why people keep dragging out the "C++ is slower than C" thing, but give it a rest. I can bet you that an AtheOS application (The AtheOS GUI is C++) can outrun a GTK+ application of similiar size.
Even if C++ is slower in some cases, trying to write a GUI Toolkit in a bastardised "C with Objects" fashion that GTK+ uses is just asking for trouble. OO is perfect for GUI development, just ask Xerox (Home of Smalltalk & surprise the modern GUI!)
Not to mention many of the problems regarding C++ & GCC (Namely the C++ ABI's) have been solved since GCC 3.0.
Finally a journaling filesystem installed by default!! I can't wait to see how it performs as a release version!
3000 dead over past 2 years, still no free Palestinians, still
What about that kernel bug which was discussed on Slashdot last week? Is that fixed in the new distro? I didn't see it in the announcement.
I want to know why ReiserFS debugging was turned on in 7.1
Because our tests have shown the version of ReiserFS in the 7.1 kernel to produce filesystem corruption under some circumstances.
Avoiding that (or at least giving us a chance to debug it) was more important than getting it to full speed.
We haven't seen fs corruption in the 7.2 kernel, so it's turned off now.
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Since the test shows ext3 with writeback being slower than normal ext3 in some of the tests, I suspect something in the test went wrong.
Also, it wasn't using the current version of ext3.
That said, there are cases where ext3 is slower (obviously, since it has to take care of the journal data), but due to the better data ordering, it's faster in other cases.
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Will Red Had Linux ever make it to version 7.3? I'm just amused and curious by the release cycle: X.0, X.1, X.2, X+1.0, X+1.1, X+1.2, etc...
:)
Just an observation. I want my grandchildren to see 7.6.32 (ala kernel numbering scheme
foo
OK, cool, just wondering. One other thing I was wondering is that Namesys recommends a 2.4.10pre kernel or later to safely use reiserfs... does the 2.4.9 with 7.1 or the 2.4.7 with 7.2 have the necessary patches to run reiser safely without going to a Linus kernel?
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
[ rpmfind.net HTTP mirror here ]
[ rpmfind.net FTP mirror here ]
(Just downloaded two ISOs from there, it's pretty fast.)
We now have RedHat 7.2 up and running in the Compaq Test Drive Program, so you can try it on our systems before you put it on yours. It's running on a couple of dual-processor x86 systems, and using the ext3 file system. Sign up for a free account and give it a try.
I honestly don't think it is possible to make a really good system-wide GUI for people that use their computers a lot. The nature of a GUI puts a ceiling on how efficiently you can use the computer but it does make it easier to reach a working level.
Put it this way: imagine that in 100 years time there still are computers. Do you think they'll be used via GUI's? I think they'll be used via talking to them in English - much closer to the CLI than the GUI.
GUI's are a stop-gap to give normal people at least a crude way of using their machines while waiting for the proper interface to be developed. They are doomed to become as much a part of history as the slide-rule and all the nice books about GUI design theory will one day be as quaint as my "How to Use a Slide-Rule" book by Burns Snodgrass (that's really his name!). The CLI will go the same way too but much more of its philosophy will be applicable to the next generation.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Using GUI toolkit is not the problem.
Trying to extend existing classes in order to create more specialized widgets is definately uglier with C than C++.
I'm using it on one of my partitions, and haven't seen any problems (neither with 2.4.7-whatever nor 2.4.9-7).
Our kernel team thinks using 2.4.10 is a pretty bad idea because of some problems with the VM changes. (This may or may not be fixed in 2.4.12 and later, haven't had the time to look into it), so if you plan to update to 2.4.10pre or later, update with caution.
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Any idea why? Is the 2.96 release from Redhat all that bad? I don't seem to have any trouble with mplayer on my system (RH 7.1, all patched up)
Nothing. Relax and go about your business. Your license to use the software will not expire. Ever.
No, really. We don't do that kind of thing here. In fact, you can still get and use Red Hat 2! Or even, if you can find it, SLS. Instead of requiring you to buy every new release, tested before shipping or not, the Free Software community, which includes Red Hat, had the vision to make sure you can continue to use whatever software you feel is best for as long as you want to use it.
Imagine that. You get what you paid for.
The Gnome issue only applies to upgrading from 7.1 - how many retail/desktop people do you know who upgrade their own OS from one minor version to another?
Windows 95 to Windows 98, more precisely Windows 4.0 to Windows 4.1.
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What, are you using a modem? I downloaded 2 of the ISOs in 30 minutes!
In some areas, the total cost of upgrading to high-speed Internet access (i.e. faster than 50,666 bps) exceeds $200,000. In US dollars.
Just buy it when it shows up on store shelves; you'll also get tech support.
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Hey all. While I do plan to grab my ISO when I get home from work and give it a shot on my workstation, I was wondering if anyone had tried out 7.2 on their server.
:/ ), I was wondering if anyone's tried 7.2 on their server and had any positive or negative experiences.
I'm currently running 6.2 (with all kinds of issues since I re-installed after my hard drive crapped out on me) for a box with masquerading for my internal network, basic firewall, web server, future mail server when I get the chance to set it up, and internal Samba server. Since I'm currently trying to re-install that (damn Signal 11 errors are stopping me though, and I'm getting annoyed
I know lots of the GUI packages have been talked about here (being the bigger aspect of the RedHat distro), but what about the server environment? I'm still lost as to whether or not GRUB is graphical, and since my server is strictly CLI, I don't know if I'd be able to use it.
I know the newest version of Apache is a strong point, but I'd already planned to download that and compile / configure it myself, being that I like to add in some PHP and everything.
ext3 also sounds like it'd be a good thing for my server too, even with the mixed approval and disapproval from everyone here, and already looks like a strong reason to upgrade.
I've also been meaning to go to a 2.4.x kernel to start messing with and learning about iptables.
And is the server install still nice and clean without any extra, un-needed RPMs? (well, not that many un-needed RPMs, and not like it's a big deal cuz I can always remove what I don't need..but 6.2 gave me a decent install with not too much extra to remove.)
If anyone could give me their opinions about all of this (and anything else they'd like to throw in), it would be much appreciated.
"My days are less enjoyable because of people." ~ Johnny the Homicidal Maniac
Our tests have shown that (unless you compile in full debugging), ext3 is actually faster than ext2.
That's not entirely accurate... it's faster in some situations (add a separate nvram journal to increase the speed significantly), not in others. Ext3 is better at scheduling I/O, but there is also an overhead (CPU, writes) with journaling. If all you want to do is copy a gigabyte of data to the disk as fast as possible, it will be slower. If there are many consecutive small writes, the advantages start showing.
speaking from experience, most Redhat OS upgrades go badly. I'll be running 7.2 on a test box for awhile before sliding it in place of work's production tomcat/apache server.
OT - who all knows about the massively broken source tree on the 2.4.9-6 kernel? I upgraded per Redhat's recomendation and have had alot of compile issues.
What are the differences in distributions?
.src.rpms if it has to! hide it all and make it automatic!).
1) installed packages and default settings
2) user community
3) special distro specific software
1) rh and mdk are pretty similar here - same sources, same spec files. mdk packages are i686 rather than i386, and so may run a little bit faster. mdk is more up2date (haha!) with python2.1.1, kde 2.1.1 and stuff. RH seems more complete (eg. pygnome should be installed when I select gnome desktop install, mdk doesnt and misses other stuff too). Mandrakes default "Start" menus are terrible - email in networking? Whats the difference between Apps and Programs? Tuxracer in Sports? Its enough to kill a novice. Redhats start menu seems saner.
2) rh attracts corporate and power users looking for stability. mdk attracts early adopters who want the latest stuff. both have their pros and cons. mandrakeforum is helpful, in fact I might go as far as to say mandrake users are friendlier than rh users!
3) mdks urpmi is neat. so is rpmdrake. xfdrake is cool as well. and diskdrake. They may be buggy (rpmdrake messes up quite a bit), but at least they're there. redhat still has no way to install software and automatically satisfy dependencies - this is soooo bad for people who like to download and try new software like me. urpmi wins hands down here, I wish redhat would swallow their pride and use it. Interesting that they broke red carpet (shades of Microsoft!), I guess it competes too much with their rhnetwork thing. Redhat, swallow your pride and ship these drake tools! I dont want to edit XF86Config anymore! I want to search for rpms and install them without even knowing about dependencies (the installer should rebuild from
I always liked Mandrake for their attention to the applications. A Mandrake ditro truly comes as a fully feaured desktop without having to search for anything else.
... I love kde.. and thats why I tried M8.1 ... this time tho, I'm buying redhat cds because I think Mandrake really screwed up their 8.1 distro release. Note: bero-rh explained that the KDE2.2 R7.2 ships with is in fact 2.2.1.
That said, 8.1 is proving flaky to me. The initscript patch helps a bit... but X still starts acting like it has multiple personalities after a couple of hours or so. The broken supermount is also very annoying-- although I'm not sure if redhat has an equivalent. A modern OS should be able to safely auto-mount/unmount removable media imho.
Anyways..what I really wanted from a distro was a solid install of kde2.2.1
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
Let me explain: when people talk about usabuility, they typically mean ... maybe "it is (or it isn't) like on a Mac". This is not what I would call usability, but rather something like "environment inertia"
The Mac interface has one big improvement over MS Windows and most X toolkits: the menubar is a fixed target against a side of the screen. When aiming for a menu, it saves about half a second per menu access if you can just shoot your mouse against the north wall of the screen instead of having to aim in both x and y dimensions. This adds up significantly over the course of a day. However, Windows currently leads the pack in keyboard accessibility.
The so called usability advantange of Windows is mostly imprinting, inertia and FUD
Windows has the usability advantage of the user not having to work overtime at her job to buy extra hardware to replace the cheap winmodem, winprinter, winsoundcard, and other winsh*t that came with her box, and that's about it. It also may have a few mission-critical legacy apps that don't work under Wine, even when Wine can run many apps faster than Windows itself can.
Usability is (generally speaking) just fine, provided you're working on a well-setup & installed box
The Microsoft bootloader license prohibits the major computer makers (gateway, dell, etc.) from offering such a box.
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You don't have to! If there are things that you want to add, you can add them yourself but it seems that a lot of people in the Open Source Community have installing and thats a good thing.
Another reason for the constant new releases is that it puts all the latest-greatest software for that distrobution in one place for you (or if the distro was put out a few months back, a good starting point to upgrade from). Open Source moves so fast that it makes new releases a blessing!
Mandrake has made some great steps in the right direction. No login required -- fantastic! No root password required -- even better! She's using Gnome -- I can't disable that incredibly-annoying single-click thing that KDE has going on with 2.X, unfortunately. (KDE is definitely easier for new Linux users than any other WM.) The installer is really nice, something that she could have used herself, I'm sure. The control panel that comes with it lets her change her own monitor settings, something that I didn't even know existed in any Linux distribution. The games that come with it are fantastic, notably Ambrosia's contributions. Tux Racer, mysteriously, has simply not functioned on any of the 3 nice new systems that I've tried it on.
But there's still enough problems that she's not going to adopt it as a serious OS.
This is all that we've come across so far, though I'm afraid that we won't see her using it enough to find any more. Until native Word-file (all formats!) handling exists, the fonts are made readable, and applications use some WM hooks to handle dialog boxes as neatly as the WMs handle mounted file systems, she's likely doomed to be a games-only user. Which is a lot better than nothing!
-Waldo
Will my upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2 be fairly painless? I am willing to do a clean install since I admit I may be a little aggresive on the RawHide downloads, but any info you can provide would be useful.
kernel-headers-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
kernel-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
kernel-doc-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
kernel-source-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
kernel-BOOT-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
nscd-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
glibc-common-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
glibc-devel-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
glibc-profile-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
glibc-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
openssh-askpass-gnome-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
openssh-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
openssh-askpass-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
openssh-clients-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
openssh-server-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
squid-2.4.STABLE1-6.i386.rpm
mew-1.94.2-12.i386.rpm
util-linux-2.11f-12.i386.rpm
-- You can be a geeklord too
And use Rawhide! They update once or twice a month. So just rsync every other week for
/etc/ dirs and anything else of importance as occasionally
.rpmsave or .rpmnew version.
maximum efficiency and update! I've only ever had one bad experience with running rawhide. And that was when they switched to using the iproute2 tools and I didn't have the kernel setup to use them so lost networking for about a day before I figured out what the hell was wrong.
Just make sure you backup your
they will clobber over your config files, but they are generally pretty good about making
an
Anyway, try it out in multiple-boot mode - that way you can go back to linux if you don't like it.
I would really like to be able to install a bare minimal system: just enough to boot plus a shell, targeted at "minimal" machines (486, ...).
Why isn't that provided (at least in 7.1, I have yet to look at 7.2).
Jean-Luc
How different is a fully patched version of RH 7.1 from an upgrade to RH 7.2? For that matter, how different is a fully patched version of RH 6.x from RH 7.2?
I use Ximian RedCarpet to keep my sytem reasonably up to date. Is there any reason to upgrade to 7.2 from 7.1 instead of just updating and/or manually installing new features as needed?
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This is a great point. Any newbie pointers on how to lock the desktop down effectively?
My biggest problem with my mother-in-law's computer is that she moves stuff around and can't find it. She doesn't need to install software, just email and web browsing.
I have always been impressed as a redhat user since 5.2 as being the most stable out of the linux distros. I know how others feel but I really like Redhat. My only beef has been with how they have treated the Enlightenment wm and the developers (raster in particular), which I think, is the best out of all the wm I have used so far. I really wish they would support the E17 development efforts too....
I have not seen support for ext3 yet in the 2.4 kernel, so it makes me feel uncomfortable to use ext3 as the default filesystem since it will always require that '3rd party' module to work. And what happens when you download the 2.4.12 kernel and boot it on a system that is ext3-based? Won't this be a problem?
...richie - It is a good day to code.
I've been testing the Roswell Beta for quite a while, so I already know this is a pretty schweet distro.
But the real reason I've been waiting for this release is that I miss my Ximian Desktop.
Supposedly, those Ximian code monkeys have a version of Red Carpet and their installer that works with Redhat 7.2, hidden away in their secret jungle lab and awaiting this release to see the light of day.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
I guess you are a bit wrong in here. I didn't know and I will upgrade my test box
That's the idea of the news site actually - to deliver news. And to give people a chance to discuss those news is another purpose of slashdot. bero-rh comments, for instance, are very informative and interesting.
Leonid Mamtchenkov
Forget my hot date (hah!) I'm going to be burning ISOs tonight! This is way cool, I had no idea that 7.2 was in the works!! I hope to have this working at home and at work by tomorrow afternoon!
f you're upgrading from the previous Red Hat 7.1 and you're using Ximian GNOME, then you might want to erase all Ximian GNOME RPMS
Hrrrm
does redcarpet piss anyone else as much as it pisses me? Getting evolution to work is waaaay harder than it needed to be
just wondering...
So, of course, this weekend I downloaded the 7.1 updated kernel (2.4.9) and got it up and running. Pardon me for being newbie-ish/paranoid but what issues am I going to have upgrading to 7.2 which has an older (by version number anyway) kernel? Anything I need to look out for?
:-)
And, can people still buy those red hats? Just a question.
- KDE 2.1 -> KDE 2.2.1
- Gnome 1.2 -> Gnome 1.4
- XFree 4.03 -> XFree 4.1
- Ext3 support
The 6.x -> 7.2 biggies as I see it:But on the Mac, I used the key controls all the time. And on the PC I used those commands that translated easily (cut, paste, etc.), but I never learned the menu access commands. (e.g., alt-F, ??). Fortunately, I can usually figure them out eventually, when I need to. But I rarely need to.
What if you have a repetitive stress injury makes using a mouse difficult for you, and you need to Save As... or change your Preferences? Frankly, I don't like having to use Mouse Keys (cmd+shift+clear) and slo-o-o-o-owly move the cursor around the screen. What if you're legally blind?
Will I retire or break 10K?
Ximian GNOME for Red Hat Linux 7.2 has been released. Please don't follow the instructions in the article for removing Ximian GNOME, as that will break your rpm dependency tree pretty badly.
The recommended procedure for upgrading to Red Hat Linux 7.2 with Ximian GNOME is to perform the Red Hat upgrade, then immediately reinstall Ximian GNOME.
lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ |sh
The mirrors will pick it up shortly.
Share and enjoy,
The Ximian release team
This is somewhat unfortunate for several of my scientist clients, some of whom prefer the Alpha's superior floating-point capabilities for their workstations. They aren't about to run out and drop $12,000 on an Itanium development box from Dell.
Of course, if Red Hat's actually dropped the Alpha, maybe I can get those users onto Debian ....
I administrate several Linux servers in diverse environments. We have tried Reiserfs on one of our dev servers and discovered that it did not completely meet our needs because some of the features I wanted to use were simply not availabe. I am referring to the file attributes of append only and immutable which will slow down an attacker's progress in tampering with log files.
Also, in SuSE 7.0 we experienced some corruption which would result in the OS being unable to locate an executable file when executing it but being able to locate it otherwise (i.e. to copy it). This problem was fixed in SuSE 7.1, but the lack of attributes is troubling.
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I've had problems with Grub in the past. I hope those are behind us, but on a Gateway E-4200 the computer stopped working after a Grub install. To be fair, it was Mandrake 8.0, so more than just Grub had changed.
/mbr (dos fdisk)
... I keep hoping that I'll get one that takes. [Until then I'm stuck on just Windows at work.])
The "fix" turned out to be:1) fdisk
2) remove the SCSI card, reboot, reset EPROM, reinset the SCSI card, reboot to Windows
3) reinstall Mandrake 7.1 with LILO
4) (edit the lilo.conf file to change the parameters...this was a check box on the installer, but the installer guessed it wrong, and so did I)
It also worked with Red Hat 7.1 without problems. (This seems to be a bad disk, which is why I kept doing re-installs on it. I may yet do another
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Just to re-emphasize, Hemos's instructions for 'cleaning' Ximian will seriously break your system- it'll remove glib (among other things) which will remove a large number of RH's system tools. So... don't.
Luis Villa [Ximian Bugmaster, who doesn't want to have to deal with 'Hemos broke my system' bugs all day]
IAAL,BIANLY
http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2001/press _7-2.html
....WHEN DID DEMO's BECOME A FEATURE OF THE OS??!?!
here is a different press release on the redhat site, I love how they list as one of the features: Loki Demo CD
pardon the rant. =)
I SURVIVED THE GREAT SLASHDOT BLACKOUT OF 2002!
Does anyone know if the new 7.2 release has read/write support for NTFS?
Bad Ass Linux, I like it! You're a wealth of marketing ideas, thank you! You've inspired me - I've already also come up with Trenchcoat Linux, Mothafscking Linux, and finally, my pride and joy:
Osama bin Linux!
I just went out and bought a copy of Windows 95, and now they tell me that there's a new version coming out this week? What was the point? Slow down, Microsoft!
I'm sorry, but if you've waited six months or so to download a release, you shouldn't complain when a new one comes out soon after, especially since the new release includes a lot of significant upgrades (GNOME 1.4, Nautilus, GRUB, and a kernel that's probably safe to use out of the box - something 7.1 didn't have).
That's not a valid excuse anymore :) see this note from Ximian. If someone could please mod that up so that maybe Hemos will correct his thoroughly damaging instructions on the top of the page that would be much appreciated.
Luis Villa [Ximian Bugmaster]
IAAL,BIANLY
Due to lack of disk space, this fortune database has been discontinued.
WHAT THE FUCK?!
Sorry, but I'm running an old patched system and wonder how much pain upgrading will bring me. Can someone tell me if the default 7.2 install supports...
The HighPoint ATA-66 controler (366?) on Abit BP-6 motherboards?
Viper 770 with all the little libraries that make it faster and/or work with VMware?
VMware 1.0?
SB Live?
lmsensors?
ipchains based firewall and forwarding/routing/masquerading script?
Also, how does the upgrade process work for user installed programs? In particular, I have things like postfix and dnscache installed. Is there a way I can tell the upgrader not to mess up those packages?
Thanks,
astro
I thought that Pine wasn't open source either, and had other Licensing restrictions. Is Pine no longer included? It was in the beta...
No compelling reason. I still have a web server running an extremely modified 5.2 and onother one running on a modified 6.2. Just got done building the third one on 7.1 with lots of customization.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Personally I find it impressive that the foresight in the ext2 design allowed for ext3 to evolve the way it did with the backwords compatibility
Can Explore2fs access ext3 filesystems from Windows on a dual boot system? If not, is there any other tool that can?
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I myself just want to use the new RPM format. I'm not sure how to upgrade 6.2 manually to do that, so I'm just upgrading the whole thing to 7.2. I keep all my data on seperate partitions anyway, so it's easy for me to do so. YMMV.
Damn, where are my mod points when I need them.
It's rather trollish of you to claim that gcc3 is broken because kdeinit doesn't work. kdeinit is a non-portable performance hack, so it shouldn't be surprising that an ABI change breaks it. KDE also breaks when you build it with gcc-2.95 on most other UNIX platforms (e.g. IRIX). Does that mean that non-Linux platforms are broken because KDE doesn't work? When 7.0 was released, 2.96-RH broke some code too, but you certainly weren't blaming it on your compiler then. Using saner logic, one might conclude that gcc 3.01 is less broken because it is more standards compliant.
This guy speaks the truth. I too heard it.
I see at least one crack smoking mod-down-first-ask -questions-later moderator has gotten to this post. I'll be watching in meta-mod.
Redhat launches a new version, and I can still get into their main ftp servers after the news is posted on /.
Clearly something paranormal at work here-- not surprising given the Roswell beta and Enigma release, plus all of the shite going down on the planet beyond the remote valley of geekdom.
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what's up with the redhat gdm image? it's not that it looks bad, but it appears that the gnome config tool for gdm will not let you override the redhat image that appears on a gdm's login screen.
.xpm .jpg (so i can grep out the pic filename from whatever file is putting it in there), but i'm unable to find the image.
i've scanned every
anyone else (bero?) know how to put a custom image on the gdm login screen?
Question for all you Redhat folks out there.
I'm a slackware person, but I have to maintain a few redhat boxes out there. I have a couple boxes running 7.0 and would like to upgrade to 7.2, but I don't have physical access to the boxs. Reading through the docs, even if I wanted to do a text install through ftp or nfs, it seems that I still need to boot off a CD or floppy. How can I do this right from the command line on 7.0?
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Question for all you Redhat folks out there.
I'm a slackware person, but I have to maintain a few redhat boxes out there. I have a couple boxes running 7.0 and would like to upgrade to 7.2, but I don't have physical access to the boxs. Reading through the docs, even if I wanted to do a text install through ftp or nfs, it seems that I still need to boot off a CD or floppy. How can I do this right from the command line on 7.0?
My download time estimates show I should have it within 5 minutes!
RH 7.2 $59.95 (? CDs, ? manuals 30 days web based installation support)
RH 7.2 Pro $199.95 ( 7+ CDs, ? manuals, 60 days web based installation support)
SuSE 7.3 Personal $49.95 (3 CDs, 3 manuals, 60 days installation support)
SuSE 7.3 Pro $79.95 (7 CDs, 1 DVD, 7 manuals, 90 days installation support)
I just noticed the 'Standard' version (e.g. the 'cheap version') isn't offered with the 7.2 release? That means teh $60 version is now the cheapest one. And why, exactly, do I need to pay for the Loki games CD? Also note - the level of support of the new $60 version is the same as the old cheap version used to be. Ugh.
My guess would be that the idea is that when you upgrade a system, you don't get ext3, that only happens on a new install. So the theory would be that the damage it can do to an existing box is automatically contained.
The reason I bring this up, is that if there's one real problem with RedHat, it's that they feel the need to rush new features out without a lot of testing. That's why a lot of us stay away from the *.0 releases (and after 6.1, I resolved to stay away from *.1s). I can easily believe that ext3 is a cool file system, and I can also easily believe that they checked this one out throughly before risking the reputation of their *.2 releases, but as a general principle, this one makes me nervous.
If I get burned by a *.2 release, I'm not going to wait for them to invent the *.3...
I just did. If you want these guys to stick around I'd suggest you do the same. Even if you just going to download it anyway. How much time do you spend logged into your RH system? How would you feel if you were forced to use Windows? These guys have contributed a lot to Linux. Alan Cox, David S. Miller, many gcc developers, and countless others are leaders in the Open Source community and deserve to get paid. What would you spend sporting dinner at a resturant? Fifty bucks?
Support RH and buy it now.
I just did.
Mike
We have tried Reiserfs on one of our dev servers and discovered that it did not completely meet our needs because some of the features I wanted to use were simply not availabe. I am referring to the file attributes of append only and immutable which will slow down an attacker's progress in tampering with log files.
Immutable? Bah. Everyone knows `chattr +i ' makes that file invincible ; )
Grub uses a different syntax when referring to hard drives, taken from a BSD IIRC. Hence its annoying to remember a new (yes simple, but different) set of device names thats only used by one program on the system.
Try telling newbies having bootloader problems why this is the case. `Because nobody could be bothered' will not come off looking good for Linux.
It fix it myself, but I can't do much with C beyond reading it.
If anyone has such skills, a request: please make Linux device syntax an option in Grub. Thanks.
Anounced... last I checked it was announced.
CmdrTaco. He's at it again.
-=Lothsahn=-
Thank you! I knew it was there somewhere, but after about 10 minutes of searching, I gave up. It never would have occurred to me to look under mouse options -- I was looking for UI and directory options.
-Waldo
J. Fag. You're clueless like usual. Try reading the preceding fucking comments before you spout your retarded shit.
Just curious as to why RedHat decided to ship old version of Perl and Python. Perl is 5.6.0 (5.6.1 has been out for quite a while), and Python is 1.5.2 (we're on the 2.2 betas).
I'm sticking with Mandrake 8.1 for now.
That doesn't mean that FreeSWAN is easy to install - until the next version (Real Soon Now, probably within the month, which is supposed to do RPMs) you start off by doing a clean compile of your kernel, installing the FreeSWAN code, and compiling your kernel again, then configuring the actual config files. But the process is independent of the RedHat organization or anybody else developing code in the US, so they'll stay free. I've heard that Mandrake 8.1 comes with it installed, but I haven't tried it yet.
On the other hand, there's also PGPnet IPSEC for Windows, and IPSEC releases like Kame for some of the BSDs.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I won't worry about getting rated troll, because some idiot already did.
If you have a problem with the source license of djbdns, and I support you on this, why did Postfix get taken off the Powertools? In fact, why not use something GPL (EXIM). Exim is a very good mailserver, and I've found it to be more powerful than sendmail, and much easier to configure.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
One now has to pay a service fee to get the redhat updates via the automagical utility which RH includes, if one does not wish to use the fee based service one simply downloads the updates from the update directory and does an rpm update correct? Also are those updates the same as one would recieve from the fee based service, etc?
what in the world am I missing? What's available for linux and not bsd?
hawk
Am I the only person too stupid to make any sense out of Red Hat Network?
.tar form. Imagine my surprise when out of the 5 packages, three were corrupt.
I went out last week and bought RH 7.1 Deluxe Workstation, doing my patriotic OS-supporting duty. I'd used 6.2 and 7.0 in the past, but this is the first distro I actually paid for.
The distribution seems fine, in general-- installation was smooth, and configuration went without a hitch. Then I activated my account at rhn and things went south
rhn_register kept puking out halfway through registration. I killed the partial profile several times before a registration went all the way to the end. I discovered that up2date didn't work. I dl'ed and installed the bugfixed up2date rpms and finally got the system to update.
Then I installed RH 7.1 on a second system, and also manually upgraded the up2date rpms. But it doesn't work-- I keep getting a server error, usually during rpm header fetch.
So then I resigned myself to using the rhn website. Has anyone here ever seen a more convoluted, obscure, and user-unfriendly website? But that wouldn't be so bad, if the damn thing actually worked. Software Manager claims to schedule updates, but either they never start, or they crash with a server error half-an-hour into the process. So, going with the next least-complicated option, I attempted to fight my way through the channel pages, selected 5 packages out of the 1000 or so in the channel, and dl'ed them in
So then I tried getting individual packages without going through the thicket of unnecessary complications referred to above. I dl'ed the three netscape rpms listed under the security errata. One was corrupt.
I'm about to give up. I may have just listed a whole slew of reasons why I'm an unlearned idiot, but I've been running Linux on one or another of my boxes for 5 or 6 years, starting with Slackware oh so long ago. If I can't figure this stuff out, there's a pretty good chance Joe Average User is going to be driven into a homicidal rage by the frustrations of using the website.
> lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ |sh
I can't believe that a major Linux software vendor still recommends something this utterly clueless.
When you follow these instructions, you are downloading and blindly executing binary code from an untrusted, unencrypted webserver. Reflect for a moment on how many ways such a system could be subverted.
Please Ximian: if you want people to use a binary installer, please ditch this stupid and totally insecure process and publish a PGP-signed binary with decent instuctions.
RH is blowing a great opportunity with the increase in pricing of XP to stick it to M$.
With RH 7.1 Pro, you got ten machines for 180 days each use of RedHat Network. With RH 7.2 Pro, you get only one machine for 180 days. For a 50 machine LAN, that works out to over US$12000 first year costs ($200 for RH 7.2 Pro, 50 machines/$20 machine/month/12 months + balance of Pro's single machine "entitlement" for 6 months @ $20/month).
Ridiculous! These prices make the boys in Redmond smile, and my clients cry. They're asking about alternatives, even bringing up XP as a potential new desktop! It's a lot easier for some of my clients to spend capital on a mass upgrade than it is for operating expenses, which is where the "entitlement" subscription fees fall.
RH, you guys blew it big this time.
You obviously haven't read the contents of the web page. The "shell script" contains a uuencoded binary.
Can you setup and configure LVM and install to LVM partitions from the installer?
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
I started with Red Hat. It was some version in the 5's somewhere, maybe earlier. Didn't have Gnome or KDE. I later stepped up to RH 6.1. I quickly found out that RH doesn't necessarily store stuff in thr standard Linux locations, which can make compiling programs (especially KDE programs) a pain.
Later I tried RH 7.0. It was ok except that my USB printer wasn't supported. Oh, I could manually load the modules AFTER boot and get it to work. But neither RH tech support nor I could figure out how to make it setup during the boot process.
In between RH 6.1 and 7.0, I tried Debian Potato and got my USB printer to setup with no problem (don't ask about the ISA PnP SB 16 soundcard, though).
I really hope RH has made it a lot easier to use normal everyday devices with this distro. They've done a lot for Linux; I'd like to see them do more.
Not that I expect a reply this far down, but...
I just got 7.2 installed (new install on a spare partition) and now I get all sorts of GTK and Glib errors and death by segfault for the latest mozilla-sea installer.
As far as I know I have all the compat- and -devel rpms installed.
Anyone else run into this or have any suggestions?
I know everyone's scrounging to FP on a topic. How's about LAST post to a topic?
from the "whats new in Red Hat" page:
BIND Configuration Tool-Simple setup of forward and backward name resolutions and DNS lookups.
I thought it wa REVERSE name resolution, not BACKWARD name resolution. I may be mistaken here but reverse and backward are two different things entirely.
-PONA-
"I was funny, now I'm just boring".sig
+that's funny...I don't FEEL tardy.+
I do some distro stuff for Linux Systems Labs, if you don't have a broad band connection, or can't find a good mirror we will have RH 7.2 CDR set available very shortly. Probably be on our website sometime on October 23rd. Have a good one!
This is a bit off-topic, but ...
:))
/dev/hdb:
/etc/fstab to:
/mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount ro,nosuid,nodev,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/hdb,--,iochars et=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
...)
...
I've just spent the last day working out how to fix the screwed Supermount - so here's how
I guess everyone's tried "# supermount -i enable" and found that didn't work. In fact, it nearly works but the supermount programme doesn't add the correct syntax!! (how dumb is that!!?). So here's how to fix it for a cdrom on
Change the relevant line of
Note, the ",--," is vital (basically, it's what supermount doesn't put in
I'm guessing that the issue comes from a new release of supermount and/or the new dev fs, but it's a pretty major stuff-up for a major release!
I've found Mandrake 8.1 to be require a few tweaks, unlike 8.0 which worked straight from the box (the only distro I've ever known to not require any tweaking!). But, once done, it's pretty stable and KDE 2.2.1 is very much appreciated - faster, prettier and has actually converted me from E at long last
When I bought the boxed Redhat 7.0 Standard edition - everytime I did a kernel recompile - messages would alert me that at least 10 checksums did not match! This is a little alarming considering I plunked down $70 for an official retail version [flagship] distribution.
Moral of the story: don't walk away when hacking the kernel (and don't follow Redhat's kernel recompiling instructions either in their own documentation). Do it the standard way and read the output!
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I was trying to install Mandrake 7.1 on a dual-partition machine but the installer kept crashing reliably at the same point halfway through. (Corrupted graphics, then freezeup.) Afterwards the computer only booted up to a GRUB prompt. I was able to get into Windows by typing
/mbr from a floppy. Problem solved. I mean, I probably could have figured it out, but if I followed through on every problem I've ever had with Linux all the way to a resolution, I wouldn't have any time for other things. Life is just too short.
root (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
into GRUB. So I figured I'd fix it later.
But the 4th or 5th time I restarted it, the chainload command just stopped working. There was no error message- the prompt just wouldn't go away. WTF? I tried to troubleshoot it but after a day or two of dry Google searches I got sick of it and did an fdisk
Afterwards I installed Red Hat 7.1 (with LILO) on all my computers, with no installer complications, even on my laptop. It works like a charm. But I guess my own experience with LILO and GRUB isn't necessarily representative of the real strengths and drawbacks of each. And there are real benefits to GRUB. Still, I have to laugh when RH points to a higher screen resolution as being one of them. Who the hell cares if the screen resolution is only 320x200? It's a fscking bootloader!
Sorry that the script kiddies have been giving you trouble and moderating you as flamebait. After all, you were reporting a real experience with GRUB. (Although I wouldn't have titled my post "GRUB sucks".) But there seems to be this attitude that if you're unable to resolve a problem, it's because you're not trying hard enough. In fact the attitude is more like "Well I didn't have that problem so you must be stupid." Linux and other open source projects are supposedly based on a model of people helping each other out. It pisses me off when I see people new to Linux being hazed as if they're fraternity pledges.
I'm the first to admit that I'm more of a luser than a user, but I'm confused.
The bug report says that the problem is with the latest version of procmail. I'm using procmail-3.21-0.71 and postfix-20010202-4 with no problems at all. All mail is delivered to user mailboxes in ~/mail, as it was before I updated procmail. I just checked updates.redhat.com/7.1/en/os/i386 and the procmail version there is the same.
Am I missing something?
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well it was until you posted
After upgrading from 7.1, I couldn't log in as my main 'micah' account or as root. Obviously that's not good. I *could* log in as my dad however.
Fortunately I could get in with 'linux single'. I tried changing the passwords, putting in the same ones that were there. Still couldn't log in.
Noted that the passwords were not shadowed. (I'm not 100% sure, but I sure think they were shadowed before the upgrade.) pwconv fixed that quick.
Then I tried changing my passwords to something DIFFERENT. Voila, I could then log in as root and micah!
What the heck!?!
Arandir wrote: Use the native OpenOffice. I didn't have any problems with AbiWord. And KOffice filters are identical under Linux and FreeBSD. The FreeBSD OpenOffice port is badly broken. And indeed, the Linux binaries don't work either. If you had ever tried OpenOffice under FreeBSD you would have known this! Although I am big FreeBSD fan i find not being able to run OpenOffice very annoying, even more so since it runs fine on my Windows box!
Question: does Grub understand an XFS filesystem mounted on an LVM volume?
Not that Lilo does, mind you - my boot volumes are ext2 on a physical partition, but it would be nice to avoid that.
Also, will RH7.2 support setting up an LVM system? Root on LVM?
I feel that LVM is a very important advance for Linux - the ability to bolt a new hard disk in, and automatically extend the free space on your main volume is a leap ahead of Windows Xtremely Painful.
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wow already? Thanks I am a big fan, keep up the good work.
"basic70" wrote:
t's a pity they still use Bind instead of djbdns [cr.yp.to], which is a lot safer.
I believe you misspelled "It's commendable that they finally migrated from the hopelessly buggy BIND 8.x series to the rewriten-from-scratch BIND 9.x one -- and perfectly understandable that they shunned djbdns and other proprietary Bernstein packages. It's just a shame they're still defaulting to wu-ftpd rather than, say, vs-ftpd."
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
(incase someone still reads these messages)
Few words of precaution :
- Having the latest Red Hat released kernel rpm (i.e. 2.4.9-X series) will make the installer disable the grub installing, even if you wish to do so. (as it should, since if you've been upgrading your kernel you're most likely part of the linux users who don't like default installers messing your setups anyway)
- The official kernel 2.4.12 does _not_ contain ext3 journaling file system support. So, if you wish to hop over to ext3 and have a bleeding edge kernel (not a good idea to do, but if you insist) it's possible with linux-2.4.12-ac5, i.e. latest release from Alan Cox series. (naturally you also need to compile it with the ext3 support)
Had I known those two things to begin with my default cd upgrade attempt would've gone surprisingly smoothly.
For those of you more experienced and well acquainted with lilo , rpms and all. I still suggest using the good old-fashioned way of more or less manually upgrading the rpms (or using up2date on the cds perhaps) and manually performing the ext3 and grub transition _after_ reading some manuals and getting some knowledge. What I did there was for purposes only and ofcourse not for my main box.
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From the Red Carpetmailing list:
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 09:52, eichen@raleigh.ibm.com wrote:
> Do you have an estimate as to when red-carpet will support
> redhat 7.2?
We shipped support for Red Hat 7.2 yesterday, so Red Carpet 1.1.3 should
be included, which supports RH 7.2 and RPM 4.0.3.
Thanks,
Joe
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
This question has been danced around a bit on this topic and is covered only in a very general way on Red Hat's web site, so let me try it here.
What if one has a Red Hat 7.1 with Ximian and wants to go to a straight Red Hat 7.2 without Ximian? Red Hat's website makes reference to removing Ximian GNOME -- but we've heard elsewhere on this topic that removing all Ximian packages is a no-no. Which packages exactly ought to be removed to make the install go smoothly?