"Has it ever occured to them to consider that we just don't want to buy the crap they're selling?"
I'm a "leech" and proud of it. I filter ads on the net, change the station on the radio when ads come on, and record tv shows onto CD with my linux box and fast-forward over the ad breaks.
Why do I do it?
Even if I would want to buy an advertised product, I do not want to know about it. Let me explain:
I am more happy before than after seeing any advertisement. If I don't want it, I'm annoyed at the waste of 30 seconds of my precious life. If I do want it, I will subsequently desire an object that I do not have, which will make me less happy until I possess it.
I could buy the object, but I know from experience that (1) New Stuff does not keep you happy for more than a week, then it occupies space and uses up your time and (2) You can buy tech goods cheaper if you wait a month or two.
I may miss the next big product that I can't live without, but, until I see the advertisement, I am happy to remain ignorant of it's existence. If I need something, I will look for it and buy it if I find it.
Sure I'm selfish, but that's the Capitalist Lesson, isn't it?
"You don't want a pure democracy. That's the equivalent of mob rule, where the majority rules and the minority and dissenting opinion is effectively squelched."
Robert Heinlein wrote in his novel "Friday" about a future Californian Republic where democracy had gone mad. All minorities were suppressed. For example, everyone had a university degree, because the majority voted that it was so.
NO I think you got MODDED DOWN because of he amount of SHOUTING that you are doing and the number of EXCLAMATION POINTS you inserted into your message. That said, you are a useful foil, so here we go:
"First off, the Government is going about this BACKWARDS...they should have instead adopted the domain.xxx or similar and required all the 'bad' stuff to be there!"
How are you going to make Johannes Q Awerage from Bulgaria host sexyvirgins.com in sexyvirgins.xxx? Honestly, do you have any idea how the net works?
"We don't BAN them from coming into a movie theater building where there's an R movie playing on the next screen..or a food store that happens to sell cigarettes and liquor..."
Your analogy, like your logic, has flaws that could be spotted by a six-year-old.
No, we do not ban children from coming to a theatre building where an R movie is being played, BUT we can take children to Disneyland, and part of the appeal of Disneyland is that you can watch Snow White in one cinema without having to walk past another cinema showing ads for Snow White Does Dallas.
Note that you and I are not forced to go to Disneyland. We are not forced to stop our children from going to a normal cinema. However, the world is improved by making this option available, and this option is currently not available on the net.
I just have to put up my hand and say this is a "good thing". Just because Bush is a sock puppet dupe of the high-tech military (which has to test its new weapons in a real theatre of war every ten years doesn't preclude his staff from having the occasional good idea.
"Only one criminal case in four years, but how much intimidation?"
Now there's a law reform idea: How about this for a simple rule to remove laws intended for intimidation rather than enforcement - at least one prosecution per year, otherwise the law is thrown out?
If I spend 400 hours writing code for something I want to sell, I'm not gonna give it away. I'm sorry
You're not giving it away, you're selling it. You're selling source code availability as an added extra. It's an added feature that a certain class of consumers will see as a bonus. You can charge more for a product with included source code, with no extra effort on your part.
How often do we have to say "free as in freedom" before people understand? Just because it's software libre does not mean that you can't charge money for it! It's not free as in beer!
The message is clearly not getting through. Let me try again.
You can charge for free software. You can offer the source code, with a price tag attached to it. I can charge you for the source to a software product. You can sell free software. You can license the source code in whatever way you wish, and charge people for the use of the software. A product with source code can be more expensive than a similar product with no source code, because the source code adds value to the product. Programs with source code can be sold to people. Software's value to the customer is improved by having the source code available, and you can charge for this added value. People are willing to pay more money to get your software if the source is included. The cost of software production does not go up, and the price goes up, when the source is included, increasing your profit margin.
This is the main failing of the OSS community. They all think that EVERYONE in the world is a coder.
I don't think so.
It would be far more correct to say that the main failing of the closed source "community" is that they treat EVERYONE in the world as a consumer.
"Don't create products! That's what we're here for. You want a custom program? Here's Visual Basic, where you can draw and design your GUI and cobble it together from custom parts that we build for you. That'll be $1,079 thank-you. [cha-ching!]
"Oh, I see you've developed the next-big-thing using the tools we sold you? And you're selling it to other people? Here, allow us to (a) Create an identical product and undercut your price (b) Buy you out (c) Claim patent on your idea and shut you down. (d) Change our API to break your code"
Bad analogy, wrong use of cliche. If I was unfamiliar with pupmkins and had a professional interest in maintaining apples, I would certainly want to hear about all the special features that separate pumpkins and apples.
I might even appreciate a comparison to lemons, even though I don't want to spend money on a Microsoft product.
"We believe we have certain rights as a corporation to use this information,"
I believe I have the right to pour a vat of LSD into the Washington DC water supply and dance naked around the Washington monument with George W. I believe I have the right to walk into your house, steal your children and raise them as super-soldiers on my secret base in Iceland. I believe I have a right to educate all primary schools children in the proper way to roll a joint, and the principles behind the gravity bong. I can believe whatever the hell I want to believe.
Just don't try claiming that what you believe are your rights are actually your rights, or are even legal.
I also believe that lawyers should all attend compulsory re-education camps, but that's a different story.
Taco, I can't believe you had the balls to post this nonsense
Mr cscx, as soon as this "nonsense" is verified as coming directly from a MS server, and MS claims it was "just one person's opinion" then I'll demand you post an apology.
If, on the other hand, this is a complete fabrication, I will personally buy you a six-pack of the most expensive beer you can nominate.
I was just summarising what the original white paper says.
Oh, and by the way, thank you to the MS goons who modded my original post down -1 flamebait and -1 overrated. I read the white paper, and my message was a fair and rational summary. If you don't think so, reply and tell me where I went wrong.
Are slashdotters extremely naive or something?... This isn't news. It's business.
That's right. I agree. Companies lying about the capabilities of their products is not news, it's just marketing, just business. It's like political promises, we know everyone does it, so please don't draw attention to it - you're disturbing the happy sleeping consumers.
Nothing to see here. Please move along. Please raise no confusing or irritating questions, citizen. Consume more products. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard, increase production, prevent accidents and be happy. Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.
But! Microsoft is faster. So a more accurate summary of the article is "if you want to set up a fast, insecure, bloated and expensive server, choose Windows 2000."
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"But that would not give him any guarantee of reaching the result. By putting up the reward he will only have to pay if he gets what he wants."
Sort of a no-win no-fee arrangement. I can deal with that. Good luck to him.
"IN SOVIET RUSSIA "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" comments are lame"
In Soviet Russia, Soviet Russia comments on YOU!
[ooh, my first Soviet Russia comment - will I be modded up or down? Only YOU can decide!]
Where can I get one of these 2.6987179487179489 X CD burners?
"Has it ever occured to them to consider that we just don't want to buy the crap they're selling?"
I'm a "leech" and proud of it. I filter ads on the net, change the station on the radio when ads come on, and record tv shows onto CD with my linux box and fast-forward over the ad breaks.
Why do I do it?
Even if I would want to buy an advertised product, I do not want to know about it. Let me explain:
I am more happy before than after seeing any advertisement. If I don't want it, I'm annoyed at the waste of 30 seconds of my precious life. If I do want it, I will subsequently desire an object that I do not have, which will make me less happy until I possess it.
I could buy the object, but I know from experience that (1) New Stuff does not keep you happy for more than a week, then it occupies space and uses up your time and (2) You can buy tech goods cheaper if you wait a month or two.
I may miss the next big product that I can't live without, but, until I see the advertisement, I am happy to remain ignorant of it's existence. If I need something, I will look for it and buy it if I find it.
Sure I'm selfish, but that's the Capitalist Lesson, isn't it?
"You don't want a pure democracy. That's the equivalent of mob rule, where the majority rules and the minority and dissenting opinion is effectively squelched."
Robert Heinlein wrote in his novel "Friday" about a future Californian Republic where democracy had gone mad. All minorities were suppressed. For example, everyone had a university degree, because the majority voted that it was so.
Sorry, miscalculation there. 1.25 trillion digits base ten is 1.25e12*log(10)/log(256) = about 5.2e11 bytes = 520GB = EIGHTY SEVEN DVDs.
Order your 87 DVDs now!
Buy the complete six DVD set!
You'll need to insert all six one after the other next time you #include <math.h>
NO I think you got MODDED DOWN because of he amount of SHOUTING that you are doing and the number of EXCLAMATION POINTS you inserted into your message. That said, you are a useful foil, so here we go:
.xxx or similar and required all the 'bad' stuff to be there!"
"First off, the Government is going about this BACKWARDS...they should have instead adopted the domain
How are you going to make Johannes Q Awerage from Bulgaria host sexyvirgins.com in sexyvirgins.xxx? Honestly, do you have any idea how the net works?
"We don't BAN them from coming into a movie theater building where there's an R movie playing on the next screen..or a food store that happens to sell cigarettes and liquor..."
Your analogy, like your logic, has flaws that could be spotted by a six-year-old.
No, we do not ban children from coming to a theatre building where an R movie is being played, BUT we can take children to Disneyland, and part of the appeal of Disneyland is that you can watch Snow White in one cinema without having to walk past another cinema showing ads for Snow White Does Dallas.
Note that you and I are not forced to go to Disneyland. We are not forced to stop our children from going to a normal cinema. However, the world is improved by making this option available, and this option is currently not available on the net.
I just have to put up my hand and say this is a "good thing". Just because Bush is a sock puppet dupe of the high-tech military (which has to test its new weapons in a real theatre of war every ten years doesn't preclude his staff from having the occasional good idea.
Talking about the fight scene in Helm's Deep:
"...made ATTACK OF THE CLONES look like it was shot in a barn with hand puppets."
"Only one criminal case in four years, but how much intimidation?"
Now there's a law reform idea: How about this for a simple rule to remove laws intended for intimidation rather than enforcement - at least one prosecution per year, otherwise the law is thrown out?
Just a thought.
"...Repeat next day."
...where did you aussies pick up those people to run your Government? Law firms?
From memory, I beleive that over 50% of the politicians in Australia are lawyers. Don't know what the percentage is in other countries.
You forgot ...
13. Duplicate Everything.
Bookmarking this handy page to keep track of how well OSS is doing! Naughty software procurement policies.
Incidentally, don't use put a single quote in the zipcode field on their registration form...
I'll read slashdot for you, and make sure there are no story repeats. I ask only for $65,000 a year.
If I spend 400 hours writing code for something I want to sell, I'm not gonna give it away. I'm sorry
You're not giving it away, you're selling it. You're selling source code availability as an added extra. It's an added feature that a certain class of consumers will see as a bonus. You can charge more for a product with included source code, with no extra effort on your part.
How often do we have to say "free as in freedom" before people understand? Just because it's software libre does not mean that you can't charge money for it! It's not free as in beer!
The message is clearly not getting through. Let me try again.
You can charge for free software. You can offer the source code, with a price tag attached to it. I can charge you for the source to a software product. You can sell free software. You can license the source code in whatever way you wish, and charge people for the use of the software. A product with source code can be more expensive than a similar product with no source code, because the source code adds value to the product. Programs with source code can be sold to people. Software's value to the customer is improved by having the source code available, and you can charge for this added value. People are willing to pay more money to get your software if the source is included. The cost of software production does not go up, and the price goes up, when the source is included, increasing your profit margin.
This is the main failing of the OSS community. They all think that EVERYONE in the world is a coder.
I don't think so.
It would be far more correct to say that the main failing of the closed source "community" is that they treat EVERYONE in the world as a consumer.
"Don't create products! That's what we're here for. You want a custom program? Here's Visual Basic, where you can draw and design your GUI and cobble it together from custom parts that we build for you. That'll be $1,079 thank-you. [cha-ching!]
"Oh, I see you've developed the next-big-thing using the tools we sold you? And you're selling it to other people? Here, allow us to
(a) Create an identical product and undercut your price
(b) Buy you out
(c) Claim patent on your idea and shut you down.
(d) Change our API to break your code"
It's like comparing apples and pumpkins.
Bad analogy, wrong use of cliche. If I was unfamiliar with pupmkins and had a professional interest in maintaining apples, I would certainly want to hear about all the special features that separate pumpkins and apples.
I might even appreciate a comparison to lemons, even though I don't want to spend money on a Microsoft product.
Does anyone know if this helps us in the war against Palladium and DRM?
"No, everyone can get more karma by copy/pasting comments from the previous story."
You cut-and-pasted that comment from a previous comment on a repeated story! And the next time this happens, I'm going to post this comment again.
"We believe we have certain rights as a corporation to use this information,"
I believe I have the right to pour a vat of LSD into the Washington DC water supply and dance naked around the Washington monument with George W. I believe I have the right to walk into your house, steal your children and raise them as super-soldiers on my secret base in Iceland. I believe I have a right to educate all primary schools children in the proper way to roll a joint, and the principles behind the gravity bong. I can believe whatever the hell I want to believe.
Just don't try claiming that what you believe are your rights are actually your rights, or are even legal.
I also believe that lawyers should all attend compulsory re-education camps, but that's a different story.
Taco, I can't believe you had the balls to post this nonsense
Mr cscx, as soon as this "nonsense" is verified as coming directly from a MS server, and MS claims it was "just one person's opinion" then I'll demand you post an apology.
If, on the other hand, this is a complete fabrication, I will personally buy you a six-pack of the most expensive beer you can nominate.
Do you agree? Do we have a deal?
faster!? you gotta be kidding me....
I was just summarising what the original white paper says.
Oh, and by the way, thank you to the MS goons who modded my original post down -1 flamebait and -1 overrated. I read the white paper, and my message was a fair and rational summary. If you don't think so, reply and tell me where I went wrong.
Are slashdotters extremely naive or something? ... This isn't news. It's business.
That's right. I agree. Companies lying about the capabilities of their products is not news, it's just marketing, just business. It's like political promises, we know everyone does it, so please don't draw attention to it - you're disturbing the happy sleeping consumers.
Nothing to see here. Please move along. Please raise no confusing or irritating questions, citizen. Consume more products. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard, increase production, prevent accidents and be happy. Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.
thx1138
But! Microsoft is faster. So a more accurate summary of the article is "if you want to set up a fast, insecure, bloated and expensive server, choose Windows 2000."