It's not asking about the overall score, but the specific moderation listed at the bottom. You may see a (Score: 2 Redundant) at the top, but the bottom will say ask you whether the Insightful moderation (which obviously came before Redundant) was fair, that is was this truly an insightful comment.
Maybe it was a comment that had been moderated more than once. I had one that I was asked whether the Insightful was fair and then 2 comments down was the same comment, but it was asking about Informative.
The rating listed with the score is only the last rating to be done to that comment. It may have been rated Interesting-Informative-Overrated in that order and so it would say Overrated, but you would could be asked whether the Informative rating was fair.
I don't quite think it should be and. I think that if they are posting as a non AC the account should be banned and if they are posting as an AC the IP should be banned only for AC's.
Different numbers of people read different articles.
If I am reading a thread with 24 comments, there would be fewer troll marks than there would be on a post with 300 comments.
True, but 1) I'm sure there's alot more than 24 people who have had a chance to moderate those comments and 2) With 24 comments it shouldn't be too hard to ignore a troll or two. The problem seems to start when ther are 300 postings and so someone decides to flood the discussion with mindless drivel.
That being said, there's a couple other ideas I like. First I have to agree with the person who suggested a finer control over your own personal viewing. I'd love to be able to have slashdot add 1 point to anything that has already been marked up for being insightful or informative, but not interesting or funny, and give -2 to anything that's been marked as flamebait, troll or redundant, but not offtopic or overrated. Then I'd have no need to browse at below 2 without missing the often good AC posts that don't always get moderated up enough.
The other idea I had that I haven't seen yet is to have the automatic -1 and -2 on certain accounts work on some sort of floating average. Something like if you've had more than 10 -1's in the past 20 days you get an automatic -1 so if you had one thread that you just pissed alot of people off you could recover from it eventually.
I would also like to see only flamebait troll and possible offtopic count against your -1 tally. It's possible to be marked redundant even if you were the first person to say it if 3 other people happen to reply to someone above you with the same thought, and being overrated is quite possible the fault of another moderator.
This is another one I would like. Maybe a list in your preference where you can type in user names and how many points you want them moderated up. If I don't have much time I browse at +3 or so, but there are a few people who's coments I like to try and see because they usually have a funny/interesting thing to say that may not have been moderated up yet.
Speaking of which, is Shoeboy still around? I haven't seen a "Top X" in 10 hot comments in quite a while.
Ok, this brings up another question which is probably still just as illegal, but what if you imported a file, created a diff and sent that out? What if your changes didn't have anything to do directly with the crypto (like working on the front end of someting that hooks into a crypto package)?
Amiga said Wednesday it had appointed Tom Schmidt as it's new president to replace Jim Collas who unexpectedly resigned from the company. A spokesman for the company said Collas had resigned to persue personal interests.
Going from memory of the docs that came with pgp... Think of it this way: encrypting email is like putting a snail mail letter in an envelope. If it weren't the standard, and then suddenly you started doing it, someone would think you had something to hide. Now if everyone was using encryption(envelopes) all the time, noone would be suspicious of you.
I know that doesn't even come close to explaining it, but I did the best I could really quickly without going searching for it in the docs (especialy since I just got this computer 2 days ago and haven't gotten pgp on here yet...)
I also live in Massachusetts and although the default is to have them use your SSN you can request that they assign you another number. Check out the application form at http://www.state.ma.us/rmv/forms/20142.pdf
It says right near the top: "Do you want a random state assigned number for your license number (instead of your social security number)?"
This application is for both the driving test, and out of state conversions, so you should have had this option when you moved here. I know the option has been there at least since I moved here in August of '95.
I don't know if I'd go as far as $20 a month, but there are domain names that would fetch a bit of money.
Speaking of all this I've been waiting for nice little round tuit to send off an email to Tom Christiansen to see if he'd be willing to offer an email account at mox.perl.com. I may not be anywhere near the level of a programmer as TomC when it comes to Perl, but it is one of my favorite languages and I am also a big fan of Magic: The Gathering... So, Tom if you're reading this, how 'bout it?;-)
256K is almost 50 times more than you can get with the best modems
Hmm... 56K x 5 = 280K
Ok, I know 56k isn't possible (at least with FCC regulations, which I also realize probably doesn't apply to you being in the UK) but 256K/5 = 51.2K which is completely possible. Sure 5 times faster is nice, but nowhere near your claims of 50 times.
I say they haven't. (and I do live in the US) I also live in a small town (about 60k) and there isn't even rumors of any kind of high speed access in my area yet. In fact when I was looking at apartments recently I checked out all the surrounding towns, and the closest one with any kind of high speed access was half an hour away. I'll admit I haven't read the article yet, but reading this including the fact that the entire country must be able to connect to the Internet using DSL by July 2001 from the synopsis sounds like they've stepped up to the plate better than the US has. Sure we've got DSL in a few areas, but I haven't seen any massive rollouts or promises that the entire country will have some kind of high speed access within the next 2 years.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that when you did this it didn't kill everything, just restarted the GUI (and killed everything that was running in it). I don't remember seeing it reprocess the autoexec.bat file. If I am running Windows 95 I can still have programs in my autoexec.bat which run on the command line which start before the GUI does. Like I said, maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't think it killed these (just like it wouldn't kill fetchmail and sendmail and other daemons or whatever you had running.)
I completely agree with you that Windows is nothing like Linux in the stability department, but some of us are forced to use it. I was just trying to reply to someone's comment about being forced to reboot to free up memory and I was trying to give him a hint that would save him time.
How we did it Web servers are frequently asked to send users static Web pages. AIX takes each request for an existing, unchanged page and stores it in a cache controlled by its kernel. "What's different here is having the cache under the direct control of the kernel--the heart of the operating system," noted Jim Beesley, manager of AIX Marketing. "This reduces overhead and improves performance."
The next time this Web page is requested, the AIX kernel cache is accessed first, and if the page is there, retrieves it without initiating the Web-server process. This saves time by avoiding a path that goes into the server application and back out again.
A related feature is the large size of the cache that can be created on 64-bit RS/6000 servers. AIX used two gigabytes of cache for Web pages while running SPECweb96
Ok, so it's not quite all hardware, but being able to store up to 2 GB of content in cache is gonna speed up just about any web server.
With Linux, I could've just restarted X and still had my scheduler, email program, development environment still in good shape, but with Windows I've had to reboot it fully in order to get it back in working order.
Ok, this isn't generally a place for "Windows tips and tricks", but I learned a really nice one the other day to restart windows quickly. After clicking on Start=>Shutdown and selecting "Restart the computer" Hold down the shift key and press enter. That will restart windows without rebooting the computer. (Pretty much the same thing as restarting X like you said.) Unfortunately it doesn't work with NT.
Poor planning involved here, I think. This type of project should be done in a FREE country, where one's work can be distributed as desired. I hope someone doesn't make this mistake again.
p.s. - I am a US citizen
And what if you decided to make a distro like this? Are you going to move to another country before creating just so you can distribute it when it's done?
He said "I've written software to allow me to convert my CD collection into MP3 format" before that comment, so I assume that means that he's got 64 albums he owns on his computer at work. I personally have 30 or so here and it's nice to be able to put a playlist on and not have to hear the same song twice all day or switch CD's. In fact I don't hear the same song more than twice all week usually. Compared with the hassle of switching CD's a dozen times a day or listening to the same old crap over and over on the radio mp3's are nice. They're not perfect, but when I'm working it's little more than some nice background noise. (and I am definitely confident that my boss would never read slashdot:-) )
I have seen this beat to death in just about every forum that has any kind of interest in it, but what most people are doing is (avoiding|ignoring|not even looking for) the facts. They assume that since Microsoft's name is associated with it that it must be bad.
The facts are: 1) Microsoft is not doing anything except giving ActiveState money to fund developing of features which ActiveState customers have said they'd like to see in the Win32 version.
2) Most everything will be Open Sourced. The only exception thee note (although they don't say this is the only exception) is that the routine for installing ActivePerl on WindowsNT.
That of course isn't all there is to it, but already it seems like less of a threat to me. I'm not trying to back up MS, but it seems to me that if this causes any problems it's AS's fault not MS.
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It's not asking about the overall score, but the specific moderation listed at the bottom. You may see a (Score: 2 Redundant) at the top, but the bottom will say ask you whether the Insightful moderation (which obviously came before Redundant) was fair, that is was this truly an insightful comment.
Maybe it was a comment that had been moderated more than once. I had one that I was asked whether the Insightful was fair and then 2 comments down was the same comment, but it was asking about Informative.
The rating listed with the score is only the last rating to be done to that comment. It may have been rated Interesting-Informative-Overrated in that order and so it would say Overrated, but you would could be asked whether the Informative rating was fair.
I don't quite think it should be and. I think that if they are posting as a non AC the account should be banned and if they are posting as an AC the IP should be banned only for AC's.
Different numbers of people read different articles.
If I am reading a thread with 24 comments, there would be fewer troll marks than there would be on a post with 300 comments.
True, but 1) I'm sure there's alot more than 24 people who have had a chance to moderate those comments and 2) With 24 comments it shouldn't be too hard to ignore a troll or two. The problem seems to start when ther are 300 postings and so someone decides to flood the discussion with mindless drivel.
That being said, there's a couple other ideas I like. First I have to agree with the person who suggested a finer control over your own personal viewing. I'd love to be able to have slashdot add 1 point to anything that has already been marked up for being insightful or informative, but not interesting or funny, and give -2 to anything that's been marked as flamebait, troll or redundant, but not offtopic or overrated. Then I'd have no need to browse at below 2 without missing the often good AC posts that don't always get moderated up enough.
The other idea I had that I haven't seen yet is to have the automatic -1 and -2 on certain accounts work on some sort of floating average. Something like if you've had more than 10 -1's in the past 20 days you get an automatic -1 so if you had one thread that you just pissed alot of people off you could recover from it eventually.
I would also like to see only flamebait troll and possible offtopic count against your -1 tally. It's possible to be marked redundant even if you were the first person to say it if 3 other people happen to reply to someone above you with the same thought, and being overrated is quite possible the fault of another moderator.
This is another one I would like. Maybe a list in your preference where you can type in user names and how many points you want them moderated up. If I don't have much time I browse at +3 or so, but there are a few people who's coments I like to try and see because they usually have a funny/interesting thing to say that may not have been moderated up yet.
Speaking of which, is Shoeboy still around? I haven't seen a "Top X" in 10 hot comments in quite a while.
Ok, this brings up another question which is probably still just as illegal, but what if you imported a file, created a diff and sent that out? What if your changes didn't have anything to do directly with the crypto (like working on the front end of someting that hooks into a crypto package)?
Here's the news just 1 hour later from ZDNN:
Amiga said Wednesday it had appointed Tom Schmidt as it's new president to replace Jim Collas who unexpectedly resigned from the company. A spokesman for the company said Collas had resigned to persue personal interests.
Maybe it's just my huge lack of knowledge, but how would you allow for moderation?
Going from memory of the docs that came with pgp... Think of it this way: encrypting email is like putting a snail mail letter in an envelope. If it weren't the standard, and then suddenly you started doing it, someone would think you had something to hide. Now if everyone was using encryption(envelopes) all the time, noone would be suspicious of you.
I know that doesn't even come close to explaining it, but I did the best I could really quickly without going searching for it in the docs (especialy since I just got this computer 2 days ago and haven't gotten pgp on here yet...)
I also live in Massachusetts and although the default is to have them use your SSN you can request that they assign you another number. Check out the application form at http://www.state.ma.us/rmv/forms/20142.pdf
It says right near the top: "Do you want a random state assigned number for your license number (instead of your social security number)?"
This application is for both the driving test, and out of state conversions, so you should have had this option when you moved here. I know the option has been there at least since I moved here in August of '95.
I don't know if I'd go as far as $20 a month, but there are domain names that would fetch a bit of money.
;-)
Speaking of all this I've been waiting for nice little round tuit to send off an email to Tom Christiansen to see if he'd be willing to offer an email account at mox.perl.com. I may not be anywhere near the level of a programmer as TomC when it comes to Perl, but it is one of my favorite languages and I am also a big fan of Magic: The Gathering...
So, Tom if you're reading this, how 'bout it?
256K is almost 50 times more than you can get with the best modems
Hmm... 56K x 5 = 280K
Ok, I know 56k isn't possible (at least with FCC regulations, which I also realize probably doesn't apply to you being in the UK) but 256K/5 = 51.2K which is completely possible. Sure 5 times faster is nice, but nowhere near your claims of 50 times.
I say they haven't. (and I do live in the US) I also live in a small town (about 60k) and there isn't even rumors of any kind of high speed access in my area yet. In fact when I was looking at apartments recently I checked out all the surrounding towns, and the closest one with any kind of high speed access was half an hour away.
I'll admit I haven't read the article yet, but reading this including the fact that the entire country must be able to connect to the Internet using DSL by July 2001 from the synopsis sounds like they've stepped up to the plate better than the US has. Sure we've got DSL in a few areas, but I haven't seen any massive rollouts or promises that the entire country will have some kind of high speed access within the next 2 years.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that when you did this it didn't kill everything, just restarted the GUI (and killed everything that was running in it). I don't remember seeing it reprocess the autoexec.bat file. If I am running Windows 95 I can still have programs in my autoexec.bat which run on the command line which start before the GUI does. Like I said, maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't think it killed these (just like it wouldn't kill fetchmail and sendmail and other daemons or whatever you had running.)
I completely agree with you that Windows is nothing like Linux in the stability department, but some of us are forced to use it. I was just trying to reply to someone's comment about being forced to reboot to free up memory and I was trying to give him a hint that would save him time.
Did you even read the article?
How we did it
Web servers are frequently asked to send users static Web pages. AIX takes each request for an existing, unchanged page and stores it in a cache controlled by its kernel. "What's different here is having the cache under the direct control of the kernel--the heart of the operating system," noted Jim Beesley, manager of AIX Marketing. "This reduces overhead and improves performance."
The next time this Web page is requested, the AIX kernel cache is accessed first, and if the page is there, retrieves it without initiating the Web-server process. This saves time by avoiding a path that goes into the server application and back out again.
A related feature is the large size of the cache that can be created on 64-bit RS/6000 servers. AIX used two gigabytes of cache for Web pages while running SPECweb96
Ok, so it's not quite all hardware, but being able to store up to 2 GB of content in cache is gonna speed up just about any web server.
With Linux, I could've just restarted X and still had my scheduler, email program, development environment still in good shape, but with Windows I've had to reboot it fully in order to get it back in working order.
Ok, this isn't generally a place for "Windows tips and tricks", but I learned a really nice one the other day to restart windows quickly. After clicking on Start=>Shutdown and selecting "Restart the computer" Hold down the shift key and press enter. That will restart windows without rebooting the computer. (Pretty much the same thing as restarting X like you said.) Unfortunately it doesn't work with NT.
Poor planning involved here, I think. This type of project should be done in a FREE country, where one's work can be distributed as desired. I hope someone doesn't make this mistake again.
p.s. - I am a US citizen
And what if you decided to make a distro like this? Are you going to move to another country before creating just so you can distribute it when it's done?
He said "I've written software to allow me to convert my CD collection into MP3 format" before that comment, so I assume that means that he's got 64 albums he owns on his computer at work. I personally have 30 or so here and it's nice to be able to put a playlist on and not have to hear the same song twice all day or switch CD's. In fact I don't hear the same song more than twice all week usually. Compared with the hassle of switching CD's a dozen times a day or listening to the same old crap over and over on the radio mp3's are nice. They're not perfect, but when I'm working it's little more than some nice background noise. (and I am definitely confident that my boss would never read slashdot :-) )
I have seen this beat to death in just about every forum that has any kind of interest in it, but what most people are doing is (avoiding|ignoring|not even looking for) the facts. They assume that since Microsoft's name is associated with it that it must be bad.
The facts are:
1) Microsoft is not doing anything except giving ActiveState money to fund developing of features which ActiveState customers have said they'd like to see in the Win32 version.
2) Most everything will be Open Sourced. The only exception thee note (although they don't say this is the only exception) is that the routine for installing ActivePerl on WindowsNT.
That of course isn't all there is to it, but already it seems like less of a threat to me. I'm not trying to back up MS, but it seems to me that if this causes any problems it's AS's fault not MS.