> -- All sentences beginning with "All" are wrong. Even this one, because it's correct. Paradox?
No, it's not a true paradox, just a false statement. All sentences beginning with "All" are wrong, makes the current sentence false. Thus: Not All sentences beginning with "All" are wrong. Which is true. If it were a paradox the false version of the statement would make the statement true, which would then make it false, etc.
However the point can be made that if you negate the "wrong" instead of the "all" then it is a paradox, and indeed under those limiting circumstances it does act like one. I may not remember my logic classes fully but I dont think you're allowed to do that, since either the "all" or the "wrong" can be negated it should work with either to be paradoxical.
I have been unable to come up with a good one line paradox (haven't been trying that hard either), I have a good two liner though.
The next sentence is true. The previous sentence is false.
People still speed, no matter how aggresively the law tries to catch them. I know I speed, I just try to follow situations where I wont get caught, like speeding on an expressway greatly reduces your chances, or my favorite just don't be the fastest person in the area.
So spammers will still spam, some people will be disuaded from spamming but most will just make it less conspicuous (notably this is still an improvement over the current situation). The only real deterrent (beyond putting a bounty on their heads and thus getting every greedy person looking for them) is to allow rules they can follow. The rules I'm inclined to allow them to follow are: Opt-In not Out, marking the the subject in some obvious way (i.e. ADV:), and not faking any headers.
I know I would be much more likely to follow the rules if they were fair but not too limiting. If you were allowed to speed if you used a special lane and you always wore your seatbelt, would you be willing to follow those rules? I would. So if the spammers are still allowed to make their money by sending advertisements in email but they had to follow the rules, would they? I don't know.
It seems to me that them sending spam to me is a waste, I'm never going to make them money. So limiting myself and the many others like me out of their lists actuialy saves them some money without costing them any potential funds. It's like telemarketers, they dont mind if you use a TeleZapper or things like that, because if you're willing to get such a device you aren't going to buy anything from them.
I''ve been using a similar style for years. I can't even play a game without moving the controller wildly about while playing a game.
There's no convincing me that moving the controller to the right doesn't help the car turn faster in GT3. Or that shaking it up and down while holding the X button so hard my fingers change colors doesn't help it with acceleration on the straight away.
The program itself is still called Berlin, only the project's name changed to Fresco.
My first guess at why has proven to be on their list, easy, available, domain name: fresco.org is much easier than berlin-consortium.org.
Also apparantly there was an old project to make a gui, called Fresco, and the original developers no longer own the rights to that name, so their paying homage to who they stole ideas from.
You can rather easily set tmda to auto-blacklist any of the people who don't reply. You'll use the bandwidth for the first message but not the second.
I like it this way, I'm not in a very big worry about bandwidth and this keep my inbox sparkling clean, but also does save some bandwidth and processing time.
I know these seem like lots of questions but they are really all on the same subject that is just not easily worded.
IBM is certainly pouring a lot money into Linux development recently. Why is this? Is it purely an anti-Microsoft maneuver? Was it ever?
I have noticed very few open-source developers working on IBM sponsored projects for Linux that then help move that work to AIX, which was why Sun tried to work with the community. Is IBM using the Linux developemnt for a testbed for AIX, or are you planning on replacing AIX sometime in the distant future? Let me elaborate on this further. I know the announced plan to have Linux and AIX coexist, but Operating Systems notoriously do not survive in the same market, even with deliberate planning e.g. NT and Win 9X. Has anyone at IBM considered the possibility of losing AIX? What would be the real loss for IBM? The company could still make money doing what it does best by providing support for Linux on their hardware.
Remember that the more two projects overlap the less likely they are both going to come out the other side. With the current speed of development for Linux we do not yet know what types of computing it will spread into but I imagine that not many OSes will be not in competition with it. Afterall Linux is already running on embedded systems, pdas, x86s, sparcs, alphas, macs, s/390s, and more.
Moderation is the reward on/.. Though I didn't bother to read the whole story to find out what they were referring to, I am sure they didn't mean moderation.
As ESR stated in his famous little essay (which I'm not going to link to out of spite) the majority of the work done in the community is done for Ego-Gratification. What is more ego gratifiing than a bunch of your peers (or moderators, they're better than the rest of us:) telling us that out comment was good/funny/on-topic?
If it wasn't a reward then there wouldn't be people karma-whoring, and there wouldn't be people who resent that other people get it and protest (trolls?).
I would hope by know that IBM would understand such selling concerms. Yes it will be considered a gadget, but I remember a time when PCs were just gadgets (I was young though). OK bad example IBM screwed up on that one but they should have learned their lesson. So they will keep it out on the market longer even through bad sells, that is if they believe in this product which they may not.
Hmm, I wonder if I had a point in mind when I hit reply, because I don't know.
Obviously there are tons of reasons for us to not comlain and hopes this whole thing goes away, but it won't.
The current situation will change, soon. As long as people keep coming up with new ideas then there's still a chance that a reasonable plan may be enacted, instead of a typical government plan.
Personally, I think the best way may be what is happenning with napster. Not that I would pay to use that slow service... *COUGH* IRC *COUGH*...
Why if you own the second edition are you buying the third edition? Is there anything available about RedHat or BSD that could not be found out somewhere else? The point of buying this book is to get the idea of what sys admiuning should be and then there are examples regarding certain distros. The examples aren't the important part.
From what it seems to me is that IBM is waiting for someone else to test the waters and then reap the benifits of a tested product. While Compaq is just giving it up for now (no decision is buisness is final).
I suspect they found something wrong. IBM's attitude recently fits very well into what the Crusoe offers. It is new, popular with the geeks, Linux-Able, cheap(?), etc... And if they turned it down...
I don't feel that comment deserved the flamebait moderation, the comment may be wrong, but it wasn't flamebait.
plastickiwi here feels that Bob Young was wrong in defending his company in this matter. Apparently plastickiwi didn't understand how the complaints people were making about RH7 were going to far.
People were attacking the company saying that the entire coroporation was at fault for a buggy release, and that Red Hat wouldn't let the situation get better.
I've never used RH7, but I have used pretty much every release from 4 - 6.2. Some were buggy, some were'nt. But I never saw a major Red Hat-caused bug in two versions in a row.
I also have used pretty much every version of Windows. I don't think I should have to tell you that I have seen many bugs pass through to the next version unfixed.
This is the point Bob Young was trying to make, he was not defending RH7, he was defending Red Hat.
Of course by know this is redundant, doh! slow typing.
>I think you mean the Arctic. Not all of Canada is snow.
>Vancouver routinely enjoys better weather than Seattle which is south of it.
OK, Canada has other weather fine, but so would Mars. It would have a variety of climates across the planets surface. It would have areas that resembled the tropical oasis known as Vancouver, and some parts that are more like the frozen tundras of Seattle.:)
It's simple, take all of the discarded bottles of water from all over California.
Then take all of those bottles to anywhere in L.A. (on or near a freeway preferred) and close the caps on them, trapping that wonderful air.
Put all of the newly filled bottles in a giant probe.
Tell NASA that the probe is delicate.
When the probe crashes into the surface of Mars all of the bottles will spill open letting loose enough CFCs (and who knows what else) to create an atmosphere on Jupiter, let alone Mars.
I'm sure that if this were to happen, the fungi would be specially bred and sent there, The scientists wouldn't want to wait for some fungi to show up through natural means.
They would probably (at least if I were them) choose a fungus that had oxygen-creating properties.
BTW the engineer doesn't care if it's half-empty or half-full; it's only water and there's no cafeine in that.
This type of system would require an existing Satelite system, such as "Galaxy." Other cities could put a satelite up simply for this purpose, but that would take away the economics of it all.
Would be much cheaper to run digital lines (phone/cable), and then you wouldn't have to have a sat-dish.
But it's still cool, just doesn't make sense in somewhere like NYC.
Might work in rural areas though, they usually have sat-dishes already (for TV) and with the new dishes most places in hicksvilles have a large unused dish and a smaller one for TV.
I'm sure they will have some PR twist or it just wouldn't be fun.
M$ can't devote any of their programming recources to security, or bugs. If they did, then they wouldn't have anyone to develop the latest Talking Barney. And that would be a tragedy.
I certainly don't agree with what DC is doing. I believe since they are giving the hardware away for free and the service (on the customer side) is free then they should not gripe about a few people seeing what makes it all tick.
However, I do believe they have the right to gripe. It is still their "intelectual property" no matter what they charge you for it.
Yes, I believe in intelectual property (for the most part) and I believe in/practice open source. This does not make me a hypocrit(sp?) or flamebait.
Personally I feel what these people that DC is getting so pissed off at aren't doing anything that really makes any difference. No matter what your product is someone is going to take it apart. If DC just waited and kept quiet about it then it would go away, if they continue to make a big deal about it then it will keep getting on/..
Personally, I don't really care either. I will never be able to afford that much space (HDD or RAM). And if prices fall to the point where I can afford such things, then I am sure that the kernel team will have solved those problems (considering they will probably own that long before me).
But, I know of servers (Alphas) that already exceed these limits. How am I supposed to convince these servers owners to switch OSes (not that I'm trying anyway)?
The way they should do this is to take the Palm VII design and add phone support. They could call it the Palm VII.V
After all which is more difficult (I imagine) adding phone support to a working (and proven, powerful, popular, and a few more P-words) PDA, or to add PDA support to a working phone? I would believe that the first is easier, all it needs is a microphone and speaker.
No, a company does things like this (users complain, they fix the problem) when they have real competition. When a company doesn't have competition it won't do anything (except maybe laugh) when you complain about something they are doing.
1997:
User: Hey Microsoft, I don't agree with your license on this issue...
Microsoft: HaHaHaHa <CLICK>
1999:
User: Hey Microsoft, I don't agree with your license on this issue...
Microsoft: We are not a monopoly, we have lots of competition... here's one of our competitors now, Bob, He makes an OS that <CRACK> Virus Detected! Now running suspected executable for you. <BSOD>
Soon (hopefully):
User: Hey Microsoft, I don't agree with your license on this issue...
Microsoft: We are soory for the inconveince how may we solve this problem? Please don't use one of our competitors...
User: <CLICK> <Calls new number> Hello, I'd like to buy the new BobOS 2.1, but I don't agree with this part of the license...
Bobsoft: <CLICK>
I read about this in a newspaper already. Remember those? A newspaper is that thing you have to unfold to read... those things that never used to get their news to me before/. could...
I don't know what to do! I may have to go to ZDNet or do something equally dumb.
Slashdot Mirror
> -- All sentences beginning with "All" are wrong. Even this one, because it's correct. Paradox?
No, it's not a true paradox, just a false statement. All sentences beginning with "All" are wrong, makes the current sentence false. Thus: Not All sentences beginning with "All" are wrong. Which is true. If it were a paradox the false version of the statement would make the statement true, which would then make it false, etc.
However the point can be made that if you negate the "wrong" instead of the "all" then it is a paradox, and indeed under those limiting circumstances it does act like one. I may not remember my logic classes fully but I dont think you're allowed to do that, since either the "all" or the "wrong" can be negated it should work with either to be paradoxical.
I have been unable to come up with a good one line paradox (haven't been trying that hard either), I have a good two liner though.
The next sentence is true. The previous sentence is false.
People still speed, no matter how aggresively the law tries to catch them. I know I speed, I just try to follow situations where I wont get caught, like speeding on an expressway greatly reduces your chances, or my favorite just don't be the fastest person in the area.
So spammers will still spam, some people will be disuaded from spamming but most will just make it less conspicuous (notably this is still an improvement over the current situation). The only real deterrent (beyond putting a bounty on their heads and thus getting every greedy person looking for them) is to allow rules they can follow. The rules I'm inclined to allow them to follow are: Opt-In not Out, marking the the subject in some obvious way (i.e. ADV:), and not faking any headers.
I know I would be much more likely to follow the rules if they were fair but not too limiting. If you were allowed to speed if you used a special lane and you always wore your seatbelt, would you be willing to follow those rules? I would. So if the spammers are still allowed to make their money by sending advertisements in email but they had to follow the rules, would they? I don't know.
It seems to me that them sending spam to me is a waste, I'm never going to make them money. So limiting myself and the many others like me out of their lists actuialy saves them some money without costing them any potential funds. It's like telemarketers, they dont mind if you use a TeleZapper or things like that, because if you're willing to get such a device you aren't going to buy anything from them.
I''ve been using a similar style for years. I can't even play a game without moving the controller wildly about while playing a game.
There's no convincing me that moving the controller to the right doesn't help the car turn faster in GT3. Or that shaking it up and down while holding the X button so hard my fingers change colors doesn't help it with acceleration on the straight away.
My take on the link:
The program itself is still called Berlin, only the project's name changed to Fresco.
My first guess at why has proven to be on their list, easy, available, domain name: fresco.org is much easier than berlin-consortium.org.
Also apparantly there was an old project to make a gui, called Fresco, and the original developers no longer own the rights to that name, so their paying homage to who they stole ideas from.
You can rather easily set tmda to auto-blacklist any of the people who don't reply. You'll use the bandwidth for the first message but not the second.
I like it this way, I'm not in a very big worry about bandwidth and this keep my inbox sparkling clean, but also does save some bandwidth and processing time.
I know these seem like lots of questions but they are really all on the same subject that is just not easily worded.
IBM is certainly pouring a lot money into Linux development recently. Why is this? Is it purely an anti-Microsoft maneuver? Was it ever?
I have noticed very few open-source developers working on IBM sponsored projects for Linux that then help move that work to AIX, which was why Sun tried to work with the community. Is IBM using the Linux developemnt for a testbed for AIX, or are you planning on replacing AIX sometime in the distant future? Let me elaborate on this further. I know the announced plan to have Linux and AIX coexist, but Operating Systems notoriously do not survive in the same market, even with deliberate planning e.g. NT and Win 9X. Has anyone at IBM considered the possibility of losing AIX? What would be the real loss for IBM? The company could still make money doing what it does best by providing support for Linux on their hardware.
Remember that the more two projects overlap the less likely they are both going to come out the other side. With the current speed of development for Linux we do not yet know what types of computing it will spread into but I imagine that not many OSes will be not in competition with it. Afterall Linux is already running on embedded systems, pdas, x86s, sparcs, alphas, macs, s/390s, and more.
Devil Ducky
when are companies going to start coming out with really refined and good code
Microsoft has been releasing software with good, refined code ever since they used BSD code in Windows.
Devil Ducky
Moderation is the reward on /.. Though I didn't bother to read the whole story to find out what they were referring to, I am sure they didn't mean moderation.
As ESR stated in his famous little essay (which I'm not going to link to out of spite) the majority of the work done in the community is done for Ego-Gratification. What is more ego gratifiing than a bunch of your peers (or moderators, they're better than the rest of us:) telling us that out comment was good/funny/on-topic?
If it wasn't a reward then there wouldn't be people karma-whoring, and there wouldn't be people who resent that other people get it and protest (trolls?).
Devil Ducky
I would hope by know that IBM would understand such selling concerms. Yes it will be considered a gadget, but I remember a time when PCs were just gadgets (I was young though). OK bad example IBM screwed up on that one but they should have learned their lesson. So they will keep it out on the market longer even through bad sells, that is if they believe in this product which they may not.
Hmm, I wonder if I had a point in mind when I hit reply, because I don't know.
Devil Ducky
Obviously there are tons of reasons for us to not comlain and hopes this whole thing goes away, but it won't.
The current situation will change, soon. As long as people keep coming up with new ideas then there's still a chance that a reasonable plan may be enacted, instead of a typical government plan.
Personally, I think the best way may be what is happenning with napster. Not that I would pay to use that slow service... *COUGH* IRC *COUGH*...
Ahh, but now I'm being redundant.
Devil Ducky
People are making money from the web.
The real trick is to come up with a fairly original idea, gain a large user base, and then sell everything to a larger company for tons of money.
We can all think of some examples of this I'm sure...
Personally I think that's what Jeff Bezos et al. are waiting to do with amazon.com, and that may be the only way it will ever turn an actual profit.
Devil Ducky
Why if you own the second edition are you buying the third edition? Is there anything available about RedHat or BSD that could not be found out somewhere else? The point of buying this book is to get the idea of what sys admiuning should be and then there are examples regarding certain distros. The examples aren't the important part.
Devil Ducky
I don't know if you're neccessarily wrong.
From what it seems to me is that IBM is waiting for someone else to test the waters and then reap the benifits of a tested product. While Compaq is just giving it up for now (no decision is buisness is final).
I suspect they found something wrong. IBM's attitude recently fits very well into what the Crusoe offers. It is new, popular with the geeks, Linux-Able, cheap(?), etc... And if they turned it down...
Devil Ducky
I don't feel that comment deserved the flamebait moderation, the comment may be wrong, but it wasn't flamebait.
plastickiwi here feels that Bob Young was wrong in defending his company in this matter. Apparently plastickiwi didn't understand how the complaints people were making about RH7 were going to far.
People were attacking the company saying that the entire coroporation was at fault for a buggy release, and that Red Hat wouldn't let the situation get better.
I've never used RH7, but I have used pretty much every release from 4 - 6.2. Some were buggy, some were'nt. But I never saw a major Red Hat-caused bug in two versions in a row.
I also have used pretty much every version of Windows. I don't think I should have to tell you that I have seen many bugs pass through to the next version unfixed.
This is the point Bob Young was trying to make, he was not defending RH7, he was defending Red Hat.
Of course by know this is redundant, doh! slow typing.
Devil Ducky
>I think you mean the Arctic. Not all of Canada is snow.
:)
>Vancouver routinely enjoys better weather than Seattle which is south of it.
OK, Canada has other weather fine, but so would Mars. It would have a variety of climates across the planets surface. It would have areas that resembled the tropical oasis known as Vancouver, and some parts that are more like the frozen tundras of Seattle.
Devil Ducky
It's simple, take all of the discarded bottles of water from all over California.
Then take all of those bottles to anywhere in L.A. (on or near a freeway preferred) and close the caps on them, trapping that wonderful air.
Put all of the newly filled bottles in a giant probe.
Tell NASA that the probe is delicate.
When the probe crashes into the surface of Mars all of the bottles will spill open letting loose enough CFCs (and who knows what else) to create an atmosphere on Jupiter, let alone Mars.
Devil Ducky
I'm sure that if this were to happen, the fungi would be specially bred and sent there, The scientists wouldn't want to wait for some fungi to show up through natural means.
They would probably (at least if I were them) choose a fungus that had oxygen-creating properties.
BTW the engineer doesn't care if it's half-empty or half-full; it's only water and there's no cafeine in that.
Devil Ducky
This type of system would require an existing Satelite system, such as "Galaxy." Other cities could put a satelite up simply for this purpose, but that would take away the economics of it all.
Would be much cheaper to run digital lines (phone/cable), and then you wouldn't have to have a sat-dish.
But it's still cool, just doesn't make sense in somewhere like NYC.
Might work in rural areas though, they usually have sat-dishes already (for TV) and with the new dishes most places in hicksvilles have a large unused dish and a smaller one for TV.
Devil Ducky
I'm sure they will have some PR twist or it just wouldn't be fun.
M$ can't devote any of their programming recources to security, or bugs. If they did, then they wouldn't have anyone to develop the latest Talking Barney. And that would be a tragedy.
Devil Ducky
You can't trade on the Dow, DJIA is just an index. Microsoft is part of the Dow, but the stock is traded on NASDAQ.
As an aside, I believe MSFT was the first stock on the Dow not traded on the NYSE.
Devil Ducky
I certainly don't agree with what DC is doing. I believe since they are giving the hardware away for free and the service (on the customer side) is free then they should not gripe about a few people seeing what makes it all tick.
/..
However, I do believe they have the right to gripe. It is still their "intelectual property" no matter what they charge you for it.
Yes, I believe in intelectual property (for the most part) and I believe in/practice open source. This does not make me a hypocrit(sp?) or flamebait.
Personally I feel what these people that DC is getting so pissed off at aren't doing anything that really makes any difference. No matter what your product is someone is going to take it apart. If DC just waited and kept quiet about it then it would go away, if they continue to make a big deal about it then it will keep getting on
Devil Ducky
Personally, I don't really care either. I will never be able to afford that much space (HDD or RAM). And if prices fall to the point where I can afford such things, then I am sure that the kernel team will have solved those problems (considering they will probably own that long before me).
But, I know of servers (Alphas) that already exceed these limits. How am I supposed to convince these servers owners to switch OSes (not that I'm trying anyway)?
Devil Ducky
The way they should do this is to take the Palm VII design and add phone support. They could call it the Palm VII.V
After all which is more difficult (I imagine) adding phone support to a working (and proven, powerful, popular, and a few more P-words) PDA, or to add PDA support to a working phone? I would believe that the first is easier, all it needs is a microphone and speaker.
Devil Ducky
No, a company does things like this (users complain, they fix the problem) when they have real competition. When a company doesn't have competition it won't do anything (except maybe laugh) when you complain about something they are doing.
1997:
User: Hey Microsoft, I don't agree with your license on this issue...
Microsoft: HaHaHaHa <CLICK>
1999:
User: Hey Microsoft, I don't agree with your license on this issue...
Microsoft: We are not a monopoly, we have lots of competition... here's one of our competitors now, Bob, He makes an OS that <CRACK> Virus Detected! Now running suspected executable for you. <BSOD>
Soon (hopefully):
User: Hey Microsoft, I don't agree with your license on this issue...
Microsoft: We are soory for the inconveince how may we solve this problem? Please don't use one of our competitors...
User: <CLICK> <Calls new number> Hello, I'd like to buy the new BobOS 2.1, but I don't agree with this part of the license...
Bobsoft: <CLICK>
And the cycle continues.
That was fun.
Devil Ducky
I read about this in a newspaper already. Remember those? A newspaper is that thing you have to unfold to read... those things that never used to get their news to me before /. could...
I don't know what to do! I may have to go to ZDNet or do something equally dumb.
Devil Ducky