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Peephole Displays

benh57 writes "A student at Berkeley has come up with a novel approach for navigating small handheld displays. In effect the display is a "peephole" into a much larger information area. You see different parts of the display by moving the handheld around - no more tiny scrollbars. Check out the DiVX movies to see it in action. It even works in 3D!"

292 comments

  1. Hey, I know him by CaseyB · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ka-Ping Yee

    Heh, I went to high school in Winnipeg with that guy. (Well, he was in grade 9 when I was in grade 12.) He was a math prodigy back then. Placed highly in all the Canadian math competitions while he was underaged by a few years.

    1. Re:Hey, I know him by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

      He's going to Berkeley, numb-nuts. Virginity isn't a problem. :)

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    2. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad. You're not even the typical nerd hater, because you yourself are a nerd. Your hostility is actually rooted in a combination of jealousy and self hatred. If you were successful and self assured, you wouldn't have a problem with someone who happens to be more productive than you are.

      You're not a virgin, you don't live with your parents and you don't spend a lot of time at work, but you and I both know that all of this isn't making you happy. Good luck with that.

    3. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy... imagine that... an Asian going to Berkeley! Who ever heard of such a thing?

    4. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People talk about him around here (University of Waterloo), but I'll remember his name forever.. any time you used the web interface to uwdir (used to look up faculty and students) and got a successful hit, you'd see at the bottom below a horizontal rule "(c) 199? Ka-Ping Yee". Since he left the university, they've since changed the copyright notice so I forget the exact year he wrote that particular code.

      However, you can get a nice glimpse of his academic career before Berkley by having a look at his old resume. Of particular note is his work at Xerox PARC, which has a rich history all of its own!

    5. Re:Hey, I know him by Chen · · Score: 2

      I knew him years ago too. I made it to the city science fair in grade 6 and ended up in the same display room as him. While the rest of us had projects on battery life and growing mold, his was on linear equations and matrices. In grade 6. Always knew he'd go far...

    6. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like that scare me, if only because they make me feel insecure about my own inferior intelligence.

    7. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      lives with his parents and 5 brothers in the poor part of town, works 80 hours a week for peanuts and owes lots of money to the university

      Uh, have a look at his CV. He certainly never paid a dime for any of his schooling. His bank account probably earns more interest than you ever will salary.

    8. Re:Hey, I know him by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      It's really not about intelligence though, it's about determination and effort. There are alot of really brilliant people who never did much, because they didn't care. There are a lot of people who are of average intelegence who work their asses off to be in the position what he is/was. Don't worry about your intelligence, worry about setting goals and going for them.

    9. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Placed highly in all the Canadian math competitions

      Oh, you mean he can add ?

    10. Re:Hey, I know him by UnknownQ · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the average slashdot fodder. We don't come here for the chicks you know.

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    11. Re:Hey, I know him by lars · · Score: 1

      He also developed the online interface for the UW bookstore. His name still appears at the bottom of the page every time someone goes to search for their textbooks online.

      Being so smart is one thing. I'd like to know where he gets his motivation.

    12. Re:Hey, I know him by _alpha_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's his new CV.

      Quite impressive. Apart from Xerox PARC, he's worked at ILM, Opera & Alias (Maya, Wavefront etc).

    13. Re:Hey, I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got rice, bitch?

  2. Name.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Being that it's similar to looking through a small hole to see a large interior I think they should call it The Speculum

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    1. Re:Name.. by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
      Being that it's similar to looking through a small hole to see a large interior I think they should call it The Speculum

      Or goatse

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    2. Re:Name.. by ngu · · Score: 1

      speculum means mirror in latin. FYI

    3. Re:Name.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Or goatse

      I wouldn't really call that a small hole.

    4. Re:Name.. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      No... Goatse is the project name for the "large hole" version for desktop monitors and laptops.

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  3. wow by VoiceOfRaisin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    0 posts and already slashdotted, yow

    1. Re:wow by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0, Redundant

      school for information management systems? why can't they manage their webswerver?

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  4. pR0N Inspires again by stephenisu · · Score: 1, Troll

    I always wanted a way to view pr0n in a 3-d user space on my palm.. aside from hustler..

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    1. Re:pR0N Inspires again by stephenisu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Not to be rude to the person who modded this as a troll.. but generally a troll is trying to piss people off.. I just have a crappy sense of humor I suppose, my apologies.

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    2. Re:pR0N Inspires again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking through a small peek hole.
      Don't they call these people peeking Toms ? ;)
      That application alone would make it successful.

    3. Re:pR0N Inspires again by ShdwStkr · · Score: 1

      stupid. just ignore me. shouldn't scroll w/ wheel mouse while moderating. *smack*

    4. Re:pR0N Inspires again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's certainly not a troll, besides i found it funny... now back to my trolling the slashdot comments to point out stupid moderator decisions... (now that was crappy humor)

  5. And the lawsuits are already being filed... by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 5, Funny
    A student at Berkeley has come up with a novel approach for navigating small handheld displays. In effect the display is a "peephole" into a much larger information area.
    In other news, the X10 corporation, makers of stealthy spy cameras and ubiquitous web adverts, announced today that they are filing a patent infringement lawsuit against an unnamed Berkeley student. Said the CEO, "peepholes are our market and this is a clear case of infringement!"
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    1. Re:And the lawsuits are already being filed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Further, the lawsuit was filed by an inexplicably scantily-clad woman repeatedly insisting that X10's cameras are only to be used for "security."

    2. Re:And the lawsuits are already being filed... by Ashyukun · · Score: 1

      Upon that case being quickly thrown out of court, X10 filed a copyright infringement case against Berkeley, citing numerous sections of the DMCA.

  6. Nice concept by e8johan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nice concept, but I wouldn't want to use it in a bus or such. It real life it would crave some sort of gyro to detect movement. Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling. At least it would serve as amusement to the fellow busriders.

    Of course there are other solutions, and there is defenently a need for a solution to this problem. I would suggest having touch sensitive sides of the actual PDA. To scroll, simply stroke the side of the PDA (not a wheel, but the side). But there are probably even better solutions to this. I enjoy the peephole approach, but must regrettably say that the problem is to control it (without clicking tiny sliders).

    1. Re:Nice concept by All+Names+Have+Been · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling.

      Of course the answer to this is to have the gyros - but the scrolling is toggled on/off via a button on the side. Press it, you can scroll by moving your device. Release the button, and the display is locked in place. Now you can read on the bus, in bed, etc.

    2. Re:Nice concept by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      "...touch sensitive sides...stroke the side...I enjoy the peephole"

      They say that porn drives technological innovation in information distribution technologies. This gives a whole new meaning to the term "peep show".

      I can't imagine I'm going to get first post on this.

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    3. Re:Nice concept by s1r_m1xalot · · Score: 1

      Nice concept, but I wouldn't want to use it in a bus or such. It real life it would crave some sort of gyro to detect movement. Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling. How about an easier solution than the one you describe? Perhaps there could be a button on the device that "unlocks" the screen only while it is being pressed. With this you could just press the button, briefly scroll and release the button, locking the screen. This would prevent a lot of the problems of a bouncing bus while still allowing the basic concept to be used.

    4. Re:Nice concept by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling.

      That could be a beneficial effect! Many people have difficulty reading small text on a moving vehicle, because the page constantly bounces around.

      Possibly, this system could act as an "image stabilizer" for the text- causing the text to follow a smoother path than your actual bouncing hand.

      Of course, whether or not this can be helpful depends on many factors- Does the screen have 10 millisecond updates? Does your head bounce more or less than your hand? (If they're in sync already, then you're fine.)

      And how well does the inertial tracking system distinguish the gross movements of the bus from your localized jittering? (You wouldn't want to leave the POV behind you at the station where you boarded!)

    5. Re:Nice concept by General+Ishmoo · · Score: 1

      Going on what you said about the sides, how about a button or touch sensitive area on the side to 'lock' the display, much like a hold button. I would think this would be a requirement anyway, as I'm sure most of us don't keep our hands exactly still while reading.

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    6. Re:Nice concept by sharrestom · · Score: 1

      A similar paradigm on a handheld device with a high definition GPS, WiFi and a 3D database would make a pretty good maintenance tool for architectural structures, and urban support systems (pipelines, underground utilities, etc.). Then again, the signals would probably be snuffed by these less than ideal locations. Never mind.

    7. Re:Nice concept by GothChip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just add a thumb button on the side which just turns the scrolling on when you want to use.

    8. Re:Nice concept by gvonk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I can't imagine I'm going to get first post on this.

      You posted a reply to a comment and thought you might get first post? Your low user id betrays you!

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    9. Re:Nice concept by sparkhead · · Score: 1
      Nice concept, but I wouldn't want to use it in a bus or such. It real life it would crave some sort of gyro to detect movement. Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling. At least it would serve as amusement to the fellow busriders.

      Wouldn't be a problem. Simply have a button on the device to put it in "virtual window mode". In a unstable environment only toggle it when needed, in a stable environment just leave it on.

      Interesting technology.

    10. Re:Nice concept by lburdet · · Score: 1
      actually, the slider idea isn't bad... if you look at new laptops coming out, they all have a "touch-scroller" built in next to the touchpad... i have an omnibook xt1500, and the scroller works better than i imagined!!

      take this idea, build a similar touch-scroller into the side for vertical, and the bottom for less-used (i imagine) horzontal scrolling, and you have:
      1) steal ka-ping's idea
      2) ???
      3) PROFIT!!

    11. Re:Nice concept by Xerithane · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You posted a reply to a comment and thought you might get first post? Your low user id betrays you!

      Uhm, "first post on this" meaning the first post discussing the parents peephole affinity.

      The bus left. Everyone was on it. Except you.

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    12. Re:Nice concept by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Funny

      They could require the use of an earbud headphone. And the POV could be relative to the headphone. Then you could put a button on the PDA that recenters the display if things get out of whack. Seems like that would perfectly deal with the jitter issue. Like you say, you'd need fast updates on the screen.

      Of course, I don't want a PDA until they can draw on my iris with lasers. I want a 50" display that fits in the palm of my hand, and can be used to permanently blind my enemy in tactical combat.

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    13. Re:Nice concept by Rojo^ · · Score: 1

      What about a small joystick or that rubber nub thing they put in laptops? =)

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    14. Re:Nice concept by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      They could require the use of an earbud headphone. And the POV could be relative to the headphone. Do it with radio triangulation or something. Then you could put a button on the PDA that recenters the display if things go out of whack. Seems like that would perfectly deal with the jitter issue. It would definitely deal with the bus turning a corner. Like you say, you'd need fast updates on the screen.

      Of course, I don't want a PDA until they can draw on my iris with lasers. I require a 50" display that fits in the palm of my hand, and can be used to permanently blind my enemy in tactical combat.

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    15. Re:Nice concept by soapy+(which+email) · · Score: 0

      Well, what can I say? This is a very dumb idea, since the whole world is turning, and gyro's drift over time, in a random manner. Imagine, you get talking to someone at work, look back, and your 3D view of the web has wandered away to some pr0n site, and you get fired! "It wasn't me, it was the rotation of the earth causing precession of the gyro in my PDA, causing Lucsious Linda to.. er.. forget it, I'll go quietly..." On another technical note, what is the update rate going to be like? God knows, Windoze on a 2GHz PC often pauses for long enough that you get upset just scrolling in a big Word document! If that was your entire view of the world, getting lost would be all too common. "Where do you want to go today? Tough, you're lost AGAIN!" --- Insert witty comment here

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    16. Re:Nice concept by orcus · · Score: 1

      Nice concept, but I wouldn't want to use it in a bus or such. It real life it would crave some sort of gyro to detect movement. Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling. At least it would serve as amusement to the fellow busriders.

      Man, I'm getting seasick just thinking about it...
      Back and forth, back and forth :-)

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    17. Re:Nice concept by buttahead · · Score: 1

      Don't strok the sides. This would be as useful as thecurrent mouse, but with added lack of precision.

      Just throw a "lock down" button in easy reach of the index finger of the device holding hand. Move the device to where you want, click the "lock down" button and use like normal. Click it again and zip around the display.

      It is a great idea, and can probably be adapted to desktop design for stationary machines, if they don't seal out the open source guys.

    18. Re:Nice concept by sapped · · Score: 2, Funny

      You posted a reply to a comment and thought you might get first post? Your low user id betrays you!
      Uhm, "first post on this" meaning the first post discussing the parents peephole affinity.
      The bus left. Everyone was on it. Except you.


      from the original post...

      Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling.

      I imagine what happened here was that the bus left, gvonk was on it, but the text scrolled past and he missed the key words.

    19. Re:Nice concept by sharrestom · · Score: 1

      I had thoughts sometime ago of a similar paradigm, though different technology and application. A handheld with a high definition GPS receiver on board, and a WiFi interface to a 3D database would make a "virtual X-ray" for maintenance crews to locate utilities etc. The limitation would be the suppression of the signals due to internal and underground locations, so I doubt the practicality of this.

    20. Re:Nice concept by 13Echo · · Score: 2, Funny

      A gyro? Who ever heard of putting lamb meat and a pita inside of a PDA?

    21. Re:Nice concept by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about a 62" display, seen as from 6 1/2' distance (Olympus EyeTrek)

      The FMD-700 works with PC, Mac, DVD, Tv, and VCR, also has surround sound. Because it is face mounted (FMD = Face Mounted Display), it moves with the head. No VR, as I don't see that it feeds back movement to the device, but I am willing to wait for that...

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    22. Re:Nice concept by srmalloy · · Score: 3, Funny
      Nice concept, but I wouldn't want to use it in a bus or such. It real life it would crave some sort of gyro to detect movement. Imagine a bus rounding a corner and the text compensating by scrolling. At least it would serve as amusement to the fellow busriders.

      With a gyroscope/accelerometer arrangement to detect movement, you could set it up so that you clear the screen by turning it over and shaking it.
    23. Re:Nice concept by ReverendRyan · · Score: 1

      Actually, a similar concept is already entering test stages: Retinal Implants (Google search). It uses a microchip to send signals to the nerves in the retina. One could be modified to display an overlay of a signal coming from your PDA. It would be quite an interesting feat. Unfortunately, it looks like this will not be availible even to the rich for several years.

      I agree that something like that would be cool not only for PDAs, but for computers, televisions, and anything else that needs to display something for you. The biggest benifit I could see would be for wearable computers. You wouldnt need to have a bulky screen attached to your glasses.

    24. Re:Nice concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he didn't leave on the short bus, ShitGas. More than you can say.

    25. Re:Nice concept by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      That's a little big. When I say "fits in the palm of my hand," I mean that I want it to stay there and draw to my pupil at range.

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    26. Re:Nice concept by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Well. I know I didn't invent the idea. Somehow I doubt Neal Stephenson did either, but I first read the idea in his book, Snow Crash.

      And it's a hell of a lot different than retinal implants. I don't want to have to modify my body for use with the technology. If I got a computer virus that put pop-up ads in my eyes, I'd probably have to shoot myself.

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    27. Re:Nice concept by druzicka · · Score: 1

      "button or touch sensitive area on the side to 'lock' the display"

      I suspect that you would want to view the currently selected "peephole" window more often than you wanted to move it around. Perhaps it would be better if the button was used to unlock the display. IOW, you hold the button down when you want to move the peephole.

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    28. Re:Nice concept by smithmc · · Score: 1

      Of course there are other solutions, and there is defenently a need for a solution to this problem. I would suggest having touch sensitive sides of the actual PDA. To scroll, simply stroke the side of the PDA (not a wheel, but the side).

      Why not a wheel? Actually two thumbwheels, on the face of the PDA, down in the bottom-right corner of the display, one vertical and one horizontal. This is where anyone used to WIMP GUIs expects to find the confluence of the two scrollbars, so it should be relatively intuitive, and in that location both wheels could be manipulated by the right thumb.

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    29. Re:Nice concept by goingincirclez · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, imagine a bunch of Trekkies on a bus en route to a convention:

      "Dammit! For the last time! Those are not tricorders!"

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    30. Re:Nice concept by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      (Olympus EyeTrek)

      Have you tried one? If so, what do you think of it?

    31. Re:Nice concept by enomar · · Score: 1

      You could perhaps correct this problem by using short range telemetry. You could attach two small wireless transmitters to your shoulders so the pda could calculate its relative position and scroll the screen accordingly. The real problem with this solution is what to do when viewing large areas. I can't imaging having to put my pda on the floor to see the bottom of a web page.

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    32. Re:Nice concept by gvonk · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that first post usually signified the first top-level post in a thread. Anyway, we're way off-topic. I didn't realize that people actually cared about getting the first reply to a reply to a topic.

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    33. Re:Nice concept by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that first post usually signified the first top-level post in a thread.

      That's "Frost Pist!", this is merely the first response talking about the parent's parent's parent's fascination with peepholes. Still a first post, otherwise it would be redundant instead of funny.

      Anyway, we're way off-topic. I didn't realize that people actually cared about getting the first reply to a reply to a topic.

      Yeah, off-topic is fun. If it's funny, people care about getting it first otherwise they turn into another redundant post.

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    34. Re:Nice concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called nipple. I've gotten to the point where I can say it in a conversation without giggling.

    35. Re:Nice concept by tgrigsby · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does your head bounce more or less than your hand? (If they're in sync already, then you're fine.)

      Typically, if my hand is bouncing, my head is steady so my eyes can focus on....

      Oh, nevermind....

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    36. Re:Nice concept by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      Using a gyro is already patented

  7. *sigh* Already slashdotted by Gentoo+Fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyways, I think it would be neat to have a PDA where the little box part was just the computer (well, the screen part could also be used), and the visual interface used those 3-D glasses. Dragging the pointer around would show a mouse on the glasses. Make the interface bluetooth or 802.11 and that would be extra cool!

    1. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by WinterSolstice · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why not just have a pair of glasses that contain the computer? A nice pair of wraparounds should certainly have room to accomodate a small enough system by the time we have good enough displays.

      Then, all you need is roll-up keyboard, or a laser projection keyboard.

      Of course, in all seriousness, I find that the ideal form factor would be something the size of a Zippo lighter, that projected both text and keyboard onto other surfaces. Perhaps the display onto your eyes, and the keyboard onto a desk?

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    2. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by Trevalyx · · Score: 1

      This sort of thing has always been a dream for me, computer that displays in the glasses, puts all vital info right there, tells you the name of who you're talking with, vital stats, etc. However, the idea of such a system is to be all-inclusive while invading as little as possible. I always thought that a system that tracked eye movements would be good for navigation, perhaps text input. Preferable would be something that sensed what your fingers were doing, slight sensors on your fingers... Three taps with each hand turns them on, three more taps turns them off. Sure, we'd all look psychotic, walking down the street, tapping our legs with our fingers as we walk, but psychosis is only a measure of how crazy you are compared to others, right?
      At any rate, there would be no need for something to project the keyboard, that's just a waste: Just have it displayed in your glasses, in relation to your fingers.

    3. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Been there done that...

      www.wearcam.org, http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/research/wearables/ and many many others.

      I had that back in 1997 a nice eyeglass mounted display (a hacked eyeglasses TV that was discontinued... looked like a pair of sporty sunglasses) a twiddler from handykey and a computer that was the size of 5 packs of ciggaretts in a belt fashon... the computer can be even smaller now and the Head mounted display is even more invisible... Thad Starner has a color display integrated in his daily eyewear, While the father of wearable computers, Steve Mann has had neater stuff even longer.

      Old idea. that someday will become reality.

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    4. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      How about using a thought controlled mouse?

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    5. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* Silly people...learn when a particular technology is complete and total overkill for a function. Bluetooth connection? Fine. Still a bit much, but alright. 802.11?! Is your neck several dozen meters long? Do you have several heads that all have displays, and thus need all sorts of sophisticated routing to keep track of? Just because you read about bluetooth and 802.11 in Wired or People or something doesn't mean that they are the answer to all of lifes problems. Why couldn't the connection be done with the vanilla RF that your run of the mill wireless mice and keyboards use? I know, I know....it's not flashy enough.

    6. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by russellh · · Score: 1
      Why not just have a pair of glasses that contain the computer?

      I like it, I like it, I like it. Although if it has to come to that, when I'm out walking around or sitting under a tree, I kinda like to walk around or sit under a tree. And I don't wear glasses (or ski googles). Hey, in a few years we may all be wearing gas masks so there may be room.

      I think gesture recognition is the input style of the future. think kung-fu moves. we'll lose weight!

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    7. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by Suidae · · Score: 1

      What you describe is similar to the system Vernor Vinge describes in 'A Deepness in the Sky' (and probably other books). Basicly a networked head up display that connects to a concensus display system. It can label anything of interest in the general vicinity (kind of a virtual reality hypertext system). or overlay graphics (why bother with real holograms).

      I wonder how far off is the capability for full color laser and retinal drawing. Speaking of which, I often hear of retinal drawing in regard to displays, but I've never seen any research on it, is this real technology?

    8. Re:*sigh* Already slashdotted by Trevalyx · · Score: 1

      Retinal drawing is another one of those technologies that excites me. There are certain aspects of it that make it more difficult, but not impossible, to develope. Options of clarity become an issue, but with time, it will be worked around.
      Imbed the surround-sound speakers in the arms of the glasses, down by the ears, track eye movement, and you've got it all.
      Something that I always wondered at was, why must we be forced to constrict the computing power to that which can be contained within the eyewear? Why not communicate wirelessly with a pocket-sized unit kept on the person and save the apparatus's spare space for (what will be much needed) battery space. Eventually, technology will advance to the point where all of this wonderful stuff will fit inside of the apparatus, but for now, I think this is doable. We have the computational power, smack on a bluetooth transmitter or something else short-range, incorporate the display (The only thing lacking at the moment) and viola! Dreams- become- reality!

  8. Like something out of Bond by icantblvitsnotbutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seem to remember seeing something like this in a gadget-oriented genre, like a Bond film, for maps. It's a pretty cool idea, since it's not much different than using a magnifying lens.

    In fact, when you think about it, this is a real-world application of a virtual device that implements a real-world tool. Check out The Movable Filter as a User Interface Tool : essentially a magnifying lens with "logical filters". Now that's been moved back into the real world again.

    Who needs new ideas when there are so many good ones that haven't been used already?

  9. X windows virtual screens by etymxris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hasn't this been done before? In X, if the virtual resolution is larger than the screen resolution, you use the mouse to move around. How is this much different?

    1. Re:X windows virtual screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hasn't this been done before? In X, if the virtual resolution is larger than the screen resolution, you use the mouse to move around. How is this much different?

      It isn't much different. Isn't it funny how innovative and useful ideas stem so naturally from free ideas in the public domain? Now if Microsoft or Palm had the patent on scrolling virtual windows we may never have seen this new implementation at all (not to mention how difficult it would be to play some RTS games).

    2. Re:X windows virtual screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Now if Microsoft or Palm had the patent

      And imagine the enormous positive economical impact that would have made by creating wealth, jobs and further R&D.

    3. Re:X windows virtual screens by Samus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was wondering the same thing but I was lucky enough to be able to download the low res video before the site was smashed. Think of the old nintendo power glove or one of those joy sticks that you just hold in mid air and tilt around. Then think about that crossed with a virtual desktop. You are pretty close now. The interesting thing is this guy as attached the motion sensor to the pda and the screen scrolls around when he moves the pda. He took it one step further though. It not only works on a X,Y axis but also the Z axis. You can use your one hand holding the pda and the other a stylus to pick up an object and drag and drop it somewhere else. The demo video was pretty cool. I do recomend checking it out after the /. effect has worn off.

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    4. Re:X windows virtual screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Of course* it's been done. But the universities have reached a saturation point: what can you get the cult members to do if everything already exists?
      Simple: change something existing by the tiniest amount possible, make lots of publicity, write a huge thesis, and graduate a new "genius" with a huge student debt. That guy is going to be an immigrant that works 150 hours a week while the boss drives a 100000$ Mercedes.
      That boss is then going to hire nothing but immigrants.
      Yay university! Yay capitalism! Yay technology!

    5. Re:X windows virtual screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Haha! Public domain? Hardly!

      The stuff that was implemented in X Windows was based on an idea from a Berkeley Systems product for the Mac that was available in the late 1980s. Ask Tom LaStrange.

    6. Re:X windows virtual screens by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      Isn't it funny how innovative and useful ideas stem so naturally from free ideas in the public domain?

      Or maybe it's funny how innovative ideas stem from products that are heavily patented and protected. Hence how capitalism works.

      Now if Microsoft or Palm had the patent on scrolling virtual windows we may never have seen this new implementation at all (not to mention how difficult it would be to play some RTS games).

      Wonderful FUD, I applaud your troll. Even got modded up, very nice. The problem with this is that Xerox would have had the first patent on it. If Apple would have patented it, Xerox would have stepped in. It was the non-innovative approach. Anybody would do it, as scrolling was around since there were text terminals.. so what if it's on a "virtual window" -- your scroll lock key was there long before hand. Oh wait, this actually dates back to the BCs with scrolls that you wound or unwound manually.

      It's a good thing that everybody irrationally hates patents, otherwise you people would pull your heads out of your ass and come up with a legitimate reason why they're bad.

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    7. Re:X windows virtual screens by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      Or maybe it's funny how innovative ideas stem from products that are heavily patented and protected. Hence how capitalism works.

      That's not capitalism. Capitalism involves payment for goods and/or services. Patents (and other forms of intellectual "property") require state enforcement to create artificial scarcity.

      You can argue about whether or not intellectual property is good for society, but you can't call it "pure" capitalism.

    8. Re:X windows virtual screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Amiga was doing it in 1985...

    9. Re:X windows virtual screens by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 1

      Rearden metal was patented.

  10. Game Controllers by Devil+Ducky · · Score: 4, Funny

    I''ve been using a similar style for years. I can't even play a game without moving the controller wildly about while playing a game.

    There's no convincing me that moving the controller to the right doesn't help the car turn faster in GT3. Or that shaking it up and down while holding the X button so hard my fingers change colors doesn't help it with acceleration on the straight away.

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    1. Re:Game Controllers by Dan+B. · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a mate who tries to 'see' around the corner of his display when playing any RTS.

      It used to crack us all up watching his head bob up/down/left/right when playing Warcraft II. He used to always wonder why we were laughing, as though some mage would be about to cast a blizzard on his unsuspecting horde of Ogres.

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    2. Re:Game Controllers by Palshife · · Score: 2, Informative

      The best part is, mashing the X button harder than normal DOES make you go faster on PS2!

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    3. Re:Game Controllers by MisterFancypants · · Score: 1
      The best part is, mashing the X button harder than normal DOES make you go faster on PS2!

      There is some truth to this, as all of the buttons on the PS2 controller are pressure sensitive. But it is really easy to press hard enough to get the highest level of button press. It is much harder to press it halfway down than fully down, even for kids and weak old people.

    4. Re:Game Controllers by nusuth · · Score: 1

      For best results, move your head in harmony with controller and look really nervous.

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    5. Re:Game Controllers by CaseyB · · Score: 1

      Of course the complementary technology to that is the head tracking incorporated into modern FPS games that lets you look around corners by leaning waaay over in your seat.

    6. Re:Game Controllers by hansroy · · Score: 1

      I do that too. I lean into corners when racing, I pull up on the gamepad when jumping. I know it doesn't do anything, I'm just so into the game I'm acting it out. Immersion is fun.

    7. Re:Game Controllers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or that shaking it up and down while holding the X button

      For GT3, I recommend NOT using the X button, but instead using the dual analog sticks - use the right stick for accelerate/brake, and the left to steer... much finer control over the accelerator than pretending you can accurately control an analog button with only 2mm exposed.

      Playing GT1 on a PS1, it's not even possible to complete the license tests using the buttons... the car just doesn't stop fast enough to beat the time limit. Switch to analog sticks - no problem!

  11. Place your bets now.... by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful

    VIDEOS To play DivX video, get a free decoder from divx.com. You can play DivX videos on Linux, MacOS, or Windows.

    * video demonstration for CHI 2003, 16 Dec 2002 (5m 52s)
    o high quality: AVI (72 Mb, DivX)
    o medium quality: AVI (33 Mb, DivX)
    o low quality: AVI (16 Mb, DivX)
    * video figure for CHI 2003, 23 Sep 2002 (2m 35s)
    o AVI (13.8 Mb)
    o QuickTime (27.6 Mb)
    * submitted to UIST 2002, Apr 2002 (3m 31 s)
    o AVI (46 Mb, MPEG4.2)
    o QuickTime (50 Mb, MJPEG)
    o DivX (45 Mb)



    How long will their server last? ;o)

    1. Re:Place your bets now.... by Dan+B. · · Score: 1

      By the time you read this, it will be at 'too many connections', and in an hour, say 5pm GMT, the whole thing will 404 or be server not found - or some bright spark may redirect to a "Piss off, we've been /.ed"

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    2. Re:Place your bets now.... by caluml · · Score: 1

      Lol.

      Yeah. I don't give them more than 1 hour.

      wget -O /dev/null http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~ping/peep/peepdemo.a vi &

      Mind you, it's a .edu, which means they'll have lots of bandwidth.

    3. Re:Place your bets now.... by martyn+s · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I can't figure out how to play divx on mac os x, can you help me out? I installed the decoder from divx.com but it won't work properly.

    4. Re:Place your bets now.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DivX on the Mac is just a Quicktime codec and a helper app. Find the DivX Validator app. Drag your DIVX .avi movie files onto it, it'll change their resource forks so that Quicktime reads them.

    5. Re:Place your bets now.... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't even fight with DivX crap - just go and get MPlayer and/or VLC and you should have all bases covered. So much for MPEG4 interoperability...

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    6. Re:Place your bets now.... by Blkdeath · · Score: 1
      How long will their server last? ;o)

      12:00:00 EST, the website is toast. "Document Not Found".

      Somewhere, a webmaster is laughing ...

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    7. Re:Place your bets now.... by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 1

      The simple way: download VLC for Mac OS X. It's small, it's fast and hassle free.

      If you want to use QuickTime you have two options. You could download the codec from DivX, which I do not recommend, or you could download 3ivx, a nicer codec which does a very good job at playing divx encoded files. Be warned, depending on the way audio is encoded in the video file you may have to use other tools to have a proper playback

  12. DiVX movies OF a peephole? by burgburgburg · · Score: 1, Funny
    I thought I was supposed to use the peephole to watch the DiVX movies?

  13. This is all great and everything, but.... by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Funny

    After I get all excited doing this, where can I ... ahem ... insert myself?

  14. What we really need is... by ewanrg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is a very innovative way to make the UI help get around the physical limitations of the device.

    But what we REALLY need are answers to those physical limitations. I have a lot more hope for a foldable display in the long term than in ways to try to make a big picture/UI fit on a small screen.

    Not knocking what is an excellant piece of work, but sometimes a great solution to a problem blocks better solutions.

    Just my .02 worth...

    1. Re:What we really need is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not knocking what is an excellant piece of work, but sometimes a great solution to a problem blocks better solutions.

      Sure, let's wait. What are the better solutions that we should be investigating? Are you sure they are the best and nothing else will come after? So why don't we seek these? Perhaps the ones after these?

      Let's all go after the ultimate solution to all problems. Suicide, perhaps?

    2. Re:What we really need is... by cioxx · · Score: 1

      The answer you seek is in Holographic screens.

      Nearly unlimited viewing area projected into thin air.

      It might be science fiction today, but in a decade, I bet it's going to materialize finally, which in turn will effectively kill portable LCDs and it's counterparts.

    3. Re:What we really need is... by swb · · Score: 1

      Retinal projection or some kind of VR goggle system?

      The only kind of foldable display likely to be seen in real life anytime soon would be something with multiple conventional LCD screens, which would be thick, power-hungry, expensive and of limited value compared to a single, large display due to the lack of physical continuity.

    4. Re:What we really need is... by fraudrogic · · Score: 1

      "But what we REALLY need are answers to those physical limitations. I have a lot more hope for a foldable display in the long term than in ways to try to make a big picture/UI fit on a small screen."


      What I hope for is the Contact Lense Heads Up display. When are they coming out with that? Then I can download the HotChick acquisition program and have target reticles that ID hotchicks, or maybe even play realtime "Hot or Not" with other HotChick acquisition program users on the net.

      right...

      Seriously, I could have sworn I've thought of this idea before (scrollable screen by physical movements), you know, one of those ideas you think of and say "that would be sweet" and then just forget about it. Mainly because I wasn't smart enough to even begin to think of how to implement the Idea. I guess if I was, I would have gone to Berkly to get my CS degree...

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    5. Re:What we really need is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you can make a hologram that I can see, but noone else sitting near me can, there'll still be a market for a more private output device.

      I don't WANT everyone on the bus reading my email, ruining the ending of my movie, or pointing out that I can put the red queen on the black king.

      Holograms may be nice, but they're not going to replace EVERY display device. IMO, a retinal overlay, with optional opacity, would be the ultimate screen... combine with a fabric version of the half-keyboard on the left pants leg, and a touchpad on the right, a little beltbag for your CPU/HDD setup, and you have the ultimate laptop.

    6. Re:What we really need is... by mindriot · · Score: 1

      Yep... one approach I really liked was moving in 3-D to access the clipboard - move PDA up, enter clipboard, move back down, back to drawing area. Drag objects into/out of the clipboard to cut/paste them. This seemed extremely practical. And this is the direction a 'space-sensitive' GUI needs to take... WIMP or other too traditional approaches won't work here most definitely...

  15. Sounds alot like X-Windows by Lechter · · Score: 0

    Hmmm...This sounds a lot like X-Windows when you set your desktop to be bigger than your monitor's resolution, or when you use virtual screens. Not a particularly revolutionary idea, but could be useful if intuitively applied...

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    1. Re:Sounds alot like X-Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      false, watch the video. the peephole moves when the handheld device physically moves. i thought it was lame like you thought too until i watched.

    2. Re:Sounds alot like X-Windows by Tha_Zanthrax · · Score: 1

      this is /. afterall so that post could be expected but plain old normal MS Windows can also do this...

    3. Re:Sounds alot like X-Windows by Blkdeath · · Score: 1
      Hmmm...This sounds a lot like X-Windows when you set your desktop to be bigger than your monitor's resolution, or when you use virtual screens. Not a particularly revolutionary idea, but could be useful if intuitively applied...

      Alright then, smartguy - pick up your monitor and make X scroll sideways. :)

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  16. But how... by Inflatable+Hippo · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... will you see what you're typing on your projected keyboard?

  17. Hasn't this been done before? by glh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember hearing about something with a hand held device that was gyroscope enabled that allowed you to do something similar (and this was about 2 years ago I think). If you tilt the device to the left, it scrolled to the left and so on. I don't have the URL handy, but it doesn't seem to me like this is that new of a concept.. unless I'm missing something (unfortunately the site is too slashdotted to read right now)

    1. Re:Hasn't this been done before? by icantblvitsnotbutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, it was called "Rock 'n' Scroll" (someone who grew up with Sit 'n' Spin?) and was actually well over two years ago, according to a colleague.

      You can see it at HP/Compaq's Western Research Lab. The photo shows the device was called "Itsy", but I'm not sure if that was the model or the name of the implementation of Rock 'n' Scroll. Both names are pretty lame, though.

      There was even Doom running on the thing -- check out the AVI or QuickTime files linked towards the end of the article.

    2. Re:Hasn't this been done before? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      That's related, but different. This new device (hopefully) won't have to tilt.

      In fact, the system is exactly the same as a VR viewer headset, but hand-carried instead of glued to your face.

      Just like wearing eyephones and position-trackers to let you view CG people, this will use an LCD screen and position-trackers to view CG documents.

    3. Re:Hasn't this been done before? by GoBears · · Score: 1

      There have been a lot of things that have used position or motion sensors with handhelds. The granddaddy of them all was George Fitzmaurice's Chameleon system, which used Ascension Birds trackers to capture 6DOF motion - this was about ten years ago. Later systems include DEC WRL's Rock 'n' Scroll and the Xerox PARC "tilty interface" work, which both exploited the fact that accelerometers had become cheap.

      The nice thing about the Peephole work is not that it invented the handheld-as-peephole idea (Fitzmaurice did that). The nice parts are in the details...

  18. Text of Proposal document by Alranor · · Score: 4, Informative

    As it's been slashdotted already

    OVERVIEW

    Recent years have shown an explosion of interest in handheld computing devices (such as personal digital assistants, cellphones, and mini-notebook computers). These devices have a form factor that enhances convenience, portability, and durability, and they tend to provide desirable operational features such as instant-on, fast non-volatile storage, and simpler, more direct modes of interaction (touch screens, application-specific buttons, no need to "save" work and "quit" programs).

    However, current display technology constrains the size of the display to be no larger than the physical size of the device. This sets up a tension between the desire to make the device small, light, and non-intrusive, and the desire to display a reasonable amount of information and provide efficient interaction.

    Accessing a large amount of information on a small display generally requires some kind of selection or scrolling mechanism. Cellphones and PDAs, for example, have "up" and "down" buttons that are pressed repeatedly to scroll through lists of records, but using them is slow and cumbersome.

    I propose a new scrolling mechanism based on the metaphor of a virtual window: the information is laid out on a virtual space much larger than the device itself. The device itself is moved around the virtual space to view a small part (a window) of the space. I hypothesize that this will have several advantages:

    Scrolling becomes direct and intuitive; one can move to a new region of the space just as fast as one can move the device.
    It eliminates the feedback loop of normal scrolling (press "Down", read, press "Down", read, etc.) and replaces it with a single movement.
    It replaces discrete control with continuous control, massively increasing the bandwidth of information communicated between user and device.
    It frees the hand used to operate the device, permitting scrolling and interaction at the same time. Scrolling moves into the background, occupying little or no cognitive load, producing the illusion that the entire
    workspace is available at once.
    It yields some of the advantages of two-handed interfaces for free: the non-dominant hand gives coarse positioning information, while the dominant hand does specific pointing and manipulation.

    SPECIFIC GOALS

    During this semester, i hope to achieve the following specific goals:

    Choose a platform that is sufficiently open and fast to support this development (a Palm-based PDA will be a likely first choice if early attempts to interface to it are successful).
    Explore and develop at least one method for sensing the position of the device. (Some possibilities to examine include: the use of accelerometers to obtain differential information; the use of a tether with a mechanical encoder to measure absolute position; the use of computer vision to locate a marker that's stuck to the device.)
    Devise a task to be performed that requires scrolling functionality. (Possibilities include making a selection from a scrolling list, or locating an object on a large map.)
    Develop a sample application that allows a user to perform this task (a) using directional scrolling buttons; (b) using conventional scrollbars; (c) using the virtual window technique (or techniques) developed in this project.
    Perform user tests and compare performance and preference among these scrolling techniques.
    Submit a short paper to UIST.

    RELATED WORK

    I've heard of other work on tilting input, but not direct-positioning input. Tilting, in my opinion, completely misses the point: tilt input is still differential rather than direct, and is therefore no better than holding down a scroll button and waiting until you've arrived. Positional input should be much better, because it just lets you put yourself where you want to be.

    Joel F. Bartlett. Rock'n'Scroll Is Here to Stay. IEEE Computer Graphics and Applications, May/June 2000, pp. 40-45.

    Jun Rekimoto. Tilting Operations for Small Screen Interfaces. User Interface Software and Technologies 1996.

    1. Re:Text of Proposal document by metlin · · Score: 1


      Does anyone have the mirror of the actual paper?

    2. Re:Text of Proposal document by kah13 · · Score: 5, Informative

      He missed a big reference: this idea was already proposed by Jef Raskin. It's called ZoomWorld, some references can be found in his "The Humane Interface" book. The example he shows is the same idea used to provide information about patients in an ICU at Catholic Healthcare West. There is also a company doing something with this idea in webspace, Cincro. Their product is called Zanvas.

  19. I wouldn't know by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't get a peep out of their server...

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  20. Once again by scrytch · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... the porn industry leads the way in video display technologies!

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    1. Re:Once again by Inflatable+Hippo · · Score: 1

      > ... the porn industry leads the way in video display technologies!

      Yep, gambling just needs the basic low bit rate comms infrastructure.

  21. great, just what we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNU/Peepholes

  22. peephole? by YourMissionForToday · · Score: 1, Interesting
    a peephole could make the other navigation features of your handheld less useful...will your "up" button still mean "up" when you tilt the handheld to the left?

    it's the same problem that 3D game developers have with the 'camera'. and on tiny handheld screens, this problem would be even worse.

  23. Ideal for porno!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This should be made into 3d goggles, but that would obsolete my laptop+3dgoogles+porno DVD collection.

    It leaves both hands free!

    1. Re:Ideal for porno!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm.. 3D porn with depth perception.. Where is the force feed back penile attachments?

    2. Re:Ideal for porno!! by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      get a fucking girlfriend you artless fucker

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    3. Re:Ideal for porno!! by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "get a fucking girlfriend you artless fucker"

      Heh. I can see Crossfire has started without me.

    4. Re:Ideal for porno!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GIRLFRIEND FUCKS YOU.

      IN THE ASS.

      text to mitigate the lame lameness filter.
      text to mitigate the lame lameness filter.
      text to mitigate the lame lameness filter.
      text to mitigate the lame lameness filter.

    5. Re:Ideal for porno!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see James Carville is a happy poster on slashdot.

      Where's the Forehead?

  24. interesting way of using small displays by babilen · · Score: 1

    This is a rather interesting approach for displaying information on tiny displays. I would love to see something which is connected to a device which triggers the position of one's hand, so moving a hand would move the "underlying' desktop. just like in acrobat, but used in real live. what do you think of this? But by the way, it is nice to see, that there are some peoples out there thinking about new solutions off the beaten track!

  25. Ok. by FreeLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll admit that it is terribly cool looking, though the concept is not entirely new. However, the practicality of it seems rather unlikely.

    If you have to lug around a huge backpack of support gear, why not just carry a larger display, such as Apple's 17" laptop or a future roll-up screen. Now, I know everyone will jump on me and say that they will reduce the size of the support gear but, it is still going to be impractical.

    In order to use this thing you must move around a fair bit. Imagine a subway train full of people gyrating with their PDAs. It will look like a bunch of DDR freaks on mescalin.

    I think a much better solution would be to simple use a little track ball on the the bottom of the PDA to scroll around screen. but, that's not new technology at all.

    1. Re:Ok. by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine a subway train full of people gyrating with their PDAs. It will look like a bunch of DDR freaks on mescalin.

      ...nothing I didn't see on the E train this morning...

    2. Re:Ok. by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you have to lug around a huge backpack of support gear, why not just carry a larger display, such as Apple's 17" laptop or a future roll-up screen. Now, I know everyone will jump on me and say that they will reduce the size of the support gear but, it is still going to be impractical.
      Why would you need a backpack? There are tiny chip-based accelerometers available. Everything else is software.
    3. Re:Ok. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you have to lug around a huge backpack of support gear

      Give him a break! He's a lone student, trying to produce a useful prototype of the HCI loop. The proposal isn't for a consumer level product.

      If the demonstration is successful, then a PDA manufacturer could look into engineering the hardware down into a single handheld device, but first they've got to see the concept in action.

    4. Re:Ok. by efflux · · Score: 1

      I think a much better solution would be to simple use a little track ball on the the bottom of the PDA to scroll around screen. but, that's not new technology at all.

      I agree, but there may still be other alternatives. How about something like the new projected keyboard. Certainly an "outline" of the screen could be displayed and the user could touch the area which they would like to "peep" into.

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    5. Re:Ok. by peter · · Score: 1

      > I think a much better solution would be to simple use a little track ball on the
      > the bottom of the PDA to scroll around screen. but, that's not new technology at
      > all.

      As the videos (Kalewa has a mirror) point out, having pieces of information at fixed spatial locations makes it possible to bounce back and forth between a couple things quickly. The human brain has spatial memory, and can take advantage of having lots of information virtually spread around the you. Scrolling around with a trackball might be useful on a bus, where you're bouncing around anyway (which would send the screen flying), and it's crowded. However, you aren't taking advantage of human spatial abilities. i.e. It would be hard to find things if you to scroll far to get to them. There's no reason why you can't have both, and a switch to disable one or the other if you don't want both going at once.

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  26. Re:Simple solution to slashdot effect by HelbaSluice · · Score: 1, Offtopic
  27. Comments in this article by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 0, Funny

    For your reading convenience, allow me to summarize all the posts that will appear in this article:

    1. Wow, this is really cool/neat/excellent/unique! This kid is a credit to geeks/nerds/hackers/allofus for coming up with this! Wouldn't it be really cool if you could XXXXXXXXXXX, and get it to do YYYYYYYYYYY?

    2. God, Slashdotted already. I know this has been said before, but Slashdot really ought to take some responsibility for the stories they post. Perhaps some form of cache/prior warning system/mirror to make sure the page is available, and the site owners don't get stuck with dead servers/massive bandwidth bills?

    3. WTF? Is this what passes for news nowadays on Slashdot? Come on, this is total vaporware until I have a finished product in my hands! I can't believe crap like this gets posted, and my article about CompanyX abuses/government concerns/link that has been beaten to death on 100 other blogs/great new vaporware technology is totally ignored by the editors.

    4. Oh great. Now all this kid has to look forward to is being bought out by Palm/Microsoft/Apple/Microsoft again and having his idea exploited for millions of dollars while he gets next to nothing. Or better yet, wait until Xerox/Microsoft/Apple/HP/Microsoft again decides they want to get this technology for nothing, and sues him for patent infringement somehow! Those bastard corporations don't care about anything but their bottom lines/profits/iron grip on their marketplaces/bullying the little guy after all!

    4. This article is a joke. Therefore I will make this joke post/troll/blatant flame in an attempt to gain cheap karma/make lame humor attempt/piss off everyone.

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    1. Re:Comments in this article by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 0, Redundant
      You forgot:

      5.

      1. Make peephole displays.
      2. ???
      3. PROFIT!!!

      and

      6. IN $OVIET RU$$IA peepholes display you!

  28. Not so novel by tmark · · Score: 1, Informative

    If I understand the concept correctly (can't follow the links...slashdotted), similar approaches have been done many times before.

    For instance, in the days of the Apple II, when the standard text display was 40 characters wide, there was a word-processor called "Magic Window", designed for people who didn't have the money for the 80-column cards. Basically it, too, gave you a "peephole" into a 40x24-character window which moved around your document as you typed. You never saw all your document, but usually you saw enough.

    I loved that little program and used it as my main word-processor for writing and printing out my high-school essays (on a shitty Apple thermal printer lacking descenders!).

    1. Re:Not so novel by jamie · · Score: 1
      Hmmmm. On the Apple II+, I used "Magic Window II," or at least that name rings a bell and I think it's what I used. It got 70 actual columns of display by using the hi-res screen, 280 pixels wide: each char was 3 pixels wide and 1 pixel between them.

      The program's idea of a "W" in 3 horizontal pixels required a bit of imagination, but I typed many a paper on it.

    2. Re:Not so novel by eam · · Score: 1

      I think the big difference is you didn't move the monitor around to scroll the screen. The window on a larger world idea is old, but on PDA's it is much more useful if you can use the physical location of the device to control what the window is showing.

  29. Mirror of the videos by Kalewa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well my web server admin just said today "it can handle a slashdot, easily" - so I guess I'm going to see if he was just talking out his arse ;) These are just the low-res ones. peepdemo-200.avi (15.3mb) peepfig.avi (13.4mb) peep.avi (44.2mb) First two should be done in about five minutes, third may take a little longer.

    1. Re:Mirror of the videos by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      The slashdot effect of a comment is considerably less than the front page, and your system seems to be holding up fine. Im getting 70k/sec.

    2. Re:Mirror of the videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100 kb/s @ 11:29 EST :)

    3. Re:Mirror of the videos by umthie10 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't we use one of those filesharing networks to mirror sites? Then hopefully the downloading situation could get better as more people grabbed it.

    4. Re:Mirror of the videos by Dman33 · · Score: 1

      Not bad. I have all three files concurrently downloading at ~200KB/s each...

      I was doubtful since you posted a challenge that geeks cannot turn down..

    5. Re:Mirror of the videos by jred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except everyone would grab it, and no one would share it. At least that's the pattern I see on most P2Ps.

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      I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
    6. Re:Mirror of the videos by SeaEye420 · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd say we hosed it. Right now I have 16k in 54 seconds, with 23:06:49 remaining :-P

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    7. Re:Mirror of the videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah its hosed :( 7:52:27 left...

      psh, dont even suggest you could handle the slashdot effect with videos. good try tho...

    8. Re:Mirror of the videos by bkirkby · · Score: 1

      584 bytes/sec

      I'll have one of the vids in 12.5 hours.

      Your webmaster lied to you :(

    9. Re:Mirror of the videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0.8 Kb/s 12:05 PST (on a max 80Kb/sec DSL line)

    10. Re:Mirror of the videos by YellowSubRoutine · · Score: 1

      nope, it didn't... been trying to download te movies all evening. :(

    11. Re:Mirror of the videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's now 8:47 PM EST, I'm getting 1 KB/s on the first file. 4 hrs 13 min left. Your server admin needs to lay off the crack.

  30. As seen before in a Gameboy Color Game by lou2ser · · Score: 0

    Kirby's tilt and tumble did this years ago...

    http://pocket.ign.com/articles/165/165341p1.html

  31. You peephole killed it. by I+am+Jack's+username · · Score: 1
    :
    Peephole Displays
    Ka-Ping Yee ***

    The small size of handheld computers makes them conveniently mobile, but limits the amount of information that can be shown on their screens. This project introduces Peephole Displays, an interaction metaphor in which the handheld computer is a movable window on a larger virtual workspace anchored to the user's physical reference frame. Peephole Displays enable new forms of two-handed interaction for simultaneously navigating and manipulating information, including the ability to create and edit objects larger than the screen and the ability to drag and drop in three dimensions. I developed four iterations of the Peephole hardware, and built and tested several Peephole-augmented applications including a drawing program, a map viewer, and a calendar. A user study of 24 participants showed that the Peephole technique can be more effective than current methods for navigating large information spaces on handheld computers.

    This work was accepted to CHI 2003 both as a long paper and as a formal demonstration.

    The poster:

    concept
    Portable devices have tiny screens. To see more, free the information from confines of the screen. Associate it with physical space. The screen becomes a movable windows on the workspace. Apply muscle memory and spatial awareness. Enable entirely new kinds of two-handed interaction.

    execution
    Track the position of the handheld device and scroll the display to exactly cancel its movement in physical space. Posotion tracking was implemented using ultrasound (Mimio), using an optical mouse, and using tethers in the air.

    testing
    User tests were conducted on 24 participants. Each participant used both a peephole interface and a conventional interface to perform four tasks: one-handed list selection, two handed list selection, route planning on a subway map, and drawing a diagram. Tasks and interfaces were permuted to control for any learning effects.

  32. Re:Pr0n! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot. But it will all be goatse.cx porn.

  33. This rocks! by jhines0042 · · Score: 1

    I imagine that this will have lots of uses in the real world at some point.

    I was able to download and watch one of the movies and he's done a really impressive implementation. Sure, right now he has a backpack full of equipment, but I imagine that technology for personal space location of equipment will come down in size, price, and battery power pretty quickly.

    Long live innovation!

    --
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  34. Hacker and the Ants. by PrimeNumber · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rudy Rucker described a solution similiar to this in his book the Hacker and the Ants.

    Users of workstations in his book would sit on a chair, using their feet the turn the chairs circular footrest, with the screen display keeping sync, giving the screen a 'viewport' type of functionality.

    A fun book to read, with some cool sounding tech and funny characters IMHO.

  35. One doesn't move the monitor by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    that's the idea, rather than fiddle with two hands and a set of scroll buttons, move the device.

    I quite like the idea

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    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  36. Old news really... by eaddict · · Score: 1, Informative

    All he did was take what was available for a person of limited sight and make for one with normal sight. A co-worker of mine has a son who has limited vision and uses a tool called Zoom Text to do exactly this.

    --
    "If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
    1. Re:Old news really... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      But what on earth has zoom/magnifing tool got to do with this artical exactly? Unless you didn't read the artical.

  37. 2 Questions by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    Where can I buy one of these handheld things and will the peephole function work when I want to watch my hot female neighbor getting dressed?

    1. Re:2 Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      my hot female neighbor

      You've never had sex with somebody else in the room, have you?

  38. Would make for a good game by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gaffer/duct tape a nice colour ipaq on your face an
    et violá : virtual reality

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    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  39. You forgot... by Jack+William+Bell · · Score: 1

    6. Mandatory Porn joke/serious reference.

    -- AND --

    7. You know, a Beowulf cluster of these would make a real display!

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    - -
    Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
  40. Google Cache by rastachops · · Score: 1

    Here you go guys... the site is slashdotted but Google has a cache of the site:

    Main site (looks old)
    Project Proposal

    Just trying to be helpful... if its already posted then dont mod me down.

    1. Re:Google Cache by rastachops · · Score: 1

      Speed.... Its strange but its taking ages to get to the site and start the download... but Im getting well over 300kb/sec download on the large DivX movie now that its started...

    2. Re:Google Cache by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Kinda offtopic but...

      If the server software is using the plain-old-style serving individuals, it starts a new thread for each user (or even a separate process).
      So the server might be having difficulties with CPU or MEM overload while it still able to serve the already initialized threads over huge pipe. Sending the data isn't quite so bad as starting a new thread on heavily loaded server.

      Is someone is interested, here's a link to a example of a 'select' implementation of server software:
      http://www.lowtek.com/sockets/select.ht ml

      I have't personally toyed around these enough to say if another is superior to other, but i would imagine, serving huge amounts of individual connections would be better with select.

      (Now that I look at the code, i see that this might be suspect for a tar-pit attack (keeping connection live from other end but acting at the bounds of keeping it alive). Not too sure thou. Pretty drunk already and i might be imagining stuff :P)

  41. Re:WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol right on! microsfot sux lol!

  42. Deckchairs on the Titanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really am supportive of this kind of innovation, but when it comes to any device with a tiny screen, I just think it's a case of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. There's only so much information you can present, and with only so much usability, on such a small device. Until we have something really advanced, like holographic screens that are much larger than their physical device, we won't be able to escape this problem.

  43. Run to scroll to the last page by stevenp · · Score: 1

    Perfect. That means that the PDA will auto-scroll when the user walks slowly and adjust the scrolling speed with his walking speed. If you want to go to the previous page just walk backwards.

    If you want to go to the start page, just run backwards 2 miles.

    Also good for security documents, they can be read only in the secret room, when you get out, they scroll aside.

    I can see the people walking in complex paterns on their way to work, in order to read the morning e-mails.

    1. Re:Run to scroll to the last page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steven, you know, I never took you for being mature and intelligent, but this! This takes the price.

      Spelling "pattern" as "patern", what were you thinking?

      Come on, not even an infant from Russia would do that...

    2. Re:Run to scroll to the last page by stevenp · · Score: 1

      No, I have never been in US, what about being a US citizen myself, and of course English is not my default language (I know a few other languages). And by the way my keyboard is not very reliable and misses some hits, which was the reason for the patern. This is offtopic

  44. Sorry, but it had to be done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    insert obligatory "glory hole" reference *here*

  45. Clarification by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 1

    "Novel" here means "unsellable".
    *watches as users wave palm pilot around, frantically looking for where they wrote down that phone number.

  46. The DivX movies ... by the+bluebrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those who couldn't face downloading the oodles of movies, this is the best scene:
    Toward the end of the movie, he's demo-ing the prototype, standing in front of a bulletin board, and copying a *big* map onto the *small* screen of his Sony Clio. Quite impressive. But I did feel like going "Psssst. Use the built-in cam."

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  47. Okay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    So we're going to be viewing everything on roll-up monitors that we have to shake around to find things on, all while tapping incessantly on a projection keyboard. Sounds like we're all going to be jerking around like idiots.

    I think I'll wait.

    1. Re:Okay... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      ...monitors that we have to shake around...

      Ah. We have achieved a badly-implemented Etch-a-Sketch solution.

      Peachy.

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      ~Idarubicin
  48. mirror by pummer · · Score: 0, Redundant

    here is the Google cache.

    1. Re:mirror by pummer · · Score: 1

      and here is links to the 3 papers, with working (cached) links:

      Peephole Displays

      Ka-Ping Yee (pingzestyca)
      papers
      proposal
      paper (393 kb PDF) submitted to UIST 2002, Apr 7
      Jun 2 revision of paper (1.6 Mb PDF) with missing reference added

  49. Yawn by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Extra hardware, extra cost, extra annoyance value.

    There's a practical retail solution already, see Picsel, now shipping on Sony Clie's. Every document is displayed the same way, as a draggable, freely zoomable image, done with intuitive (touch-drag, tap-touch-drag) stylus commands.

    Other nice stuff: it's cross platform (PalmOS, Symbian, WinCE, Linux, easy to port to just about anything else), and ~1.5Mb in size, which includes a web browser, file viewer, and viewers for .doc, excel, pdf, rich text and text. The only annoyance value is having to toggle between free view and input modes, but a tilting device would need a toggle or press lock anyway.

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    1. Re:Yawn by smallfries · · Score: 1

      I think that you've missed the point somewhat. This isn't a hardware or software innovation. It is an experiment in a new type of HCI, allowing the user to freely move the display around is more intuitive than having to flick modes in order to scroll or to use the display.

      The solution that you're talking about may be less physically bulky and built into the system but it isn't as usable as the type of device that this is a prototype for. The device doesn't tilt, it moves freely in space and as you move the physical device it updates the view that you see. The whole point of this is that is makes for a more usable interface than what we have already.

      Other posters have complained that this is just X windows multiple desktops - well it is just a windowing system but the point is how you move the viewable window, it's through a physical interface that you can easily use in *combination* with the stylus. Placing both modes of interaction on the stylus just reinvents what we already have.

      The last time somebody tried out an innovative new way of communicating with a machine he was also scoffed at to begin with - who needs a pointer moving device when we have a keyboard?

      But how many people use mice today?

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    2. Re:Yawn by Rogerborg · · Score: 1
      • The last time somebody tried out an innovative new way of communicating with a machine

      No, one of the times that somebody tried an innovative new way of communicating with a machine, we got the mouse. Most times, we got gloves, or vertical keyboards, or silver dots glued to our heads.

      The first problem that I can see with this system is that my iPAQ and P800 spend about half their time docked in cradles. A UI that relies on being able to swing them around can't be the only solution.

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    3. Re:Yawn by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Yup, good point. Got a bit carried away with my own rhetoric there. People have invented a lot of crap since then ... what where the silver dots? Don't think that I heard of that one.

      The question that springs to mind is why do you have them docked most of the time? The whole point of a PDA is that its a mobile device ... I think it is reasonable to have a moving interface on a mobile device.

      If its purely to sync up then wireless networking is the way forward. If its because you like a largely static solution with a pen interface then the tablet PC seems like a good idea - but then the solution is a larger screen area. The problem that the guy was trying to solve is keeping the small form factor for mobility but giving the user more screen estate to work with.

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    4. Re:Yawn by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      The first problem that I can see with this system is that my iPAQ and P800 spend about half their time docked in cradles. A UI that relies on being able to swing them around can't be the only solution.

      And were in the artical did it say it was a replacment for the touch screen?

      Different tools for different jobs. Hell, a lot of people may never need this, but there are a few people for which it would seem more innovative than the mouse (or sliced bread).

    5. Re:Yawn by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      The silver dots are for head tracking systems that use a camera to look for gross head movements (gross by comparison with eye movements). It's been given the Slashdot treatment, IIRC, and the verdict was: great, if it's the only way you can control a computer.

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  50. See the poster at: by I+am+Jack's+username · · Score: 1

    alt.binaries.comp (240831), 36 dpi JPEG, 203 KiB.

  51. HTT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "we're all going to be jerking around like idiots."

    mmmmmm.... sounds like fun, can I join in?

  52. There goes fun Fridays! by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    How can I come to work drunk anymore? I just perfected driving here, now I have to retrain on my PDA? Jeeze, sometimes technology is a bad thing.

    --
    You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
  53. Novel approach??? by sTeF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is this different from the "rock 'n scroll" approach used in the itsy?

    1. Re:Novel approach??? by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      There are similarities, but this is a much more advanced and generic system. The Itsy is just a photo viewer, this is an entire virtual desktop on a handheld.

  54. "Ka-Ping" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny that he was named after the sound his glasses make when a jock throws his glasses against the lockers.

    1. Re:"Ka-Ping" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Speaking out of experience, aren't we?

      ~metlin

  55. Big deal by symbolic · · Score: 1


    There was a product out on the Mac waaaay back in the 128K/512K days that did the same thing. Since the screen was limited to a 9" viewing area, it made working with a page-sized document (in SuperPaint for example) very tedious. Unfortunately, I've forgotten its name.

  56. So let me get this straight... by LotusFlower · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...this is a PDA concept where what you can see on the PDA screen depends on the physical orientation, position, and movement of the PDA?

    This reminds me somewhat of the ACME(tm) Portable Hole favoured by Wile E. Coyote; the kind where you stick it to a wall and where the hole leads you to depends where on the wall the hole is stuck to.

    Now if I stick my PDA to the wall, does it mean that passing Roadrunners will be able to Meep Meep their way through the screen, and I'll just splat comically against it on my way through?

    Don't get me wrong, this is an interesting concept, but execution would be difficult to use in the real world. Someone already suggested the difficulties of using it on a bus - this would certainly cause real problems. Plus the fact that it would need gyros would increase the cost.

    Projecting keyboards would be the ideal solution for palmtoppers on the move, IMHO.

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  57. I'm unsure of my stereotypes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that because it's so "free love" that it's impossible to stay a virgin, or because it's so geeky that everyone's a virgin?

  58. Re:Simple solution to slashdot effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your UID is too low for a stupid question like that. You on crack?

  59. Virtual Boy by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Why not just have a pair of glasses that contain the computer?

    Nintendo tried this. It didn't go over very well.

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    Will I retire or break 10K?
    1. Re:Virtual Boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't ususally throw insults around... but I feel the need to make an exception this time around. (don't worry, we're both virtually anonymous, so please don't take it personally.) That's such a one dimensional statement. No pun intended. It has about as much inspiration behind it as the record industry does in search their search for the cause of declining record sales.

      The virtual boy isn't a general-use computer. It was an extremely nasty monochrome display that weighs too much for casual use.

      What the other guy is speaking of, is something that could be worn comfortably like high-quality eye glasses. Lag-free head tracking. Ultra-high stereo vision resolution.

      It isn't that people don't want it, they just don't want a half-baked version of it. Companies aren't willing or able to produce what we're speaking of. Virtualboy definitely wasn't this.

  60. Just what I want people to think.... by muonzoo · · Score: 1
    Now everyone will think twice:

    • Is he/she reading something big, or;
    • having a seizure?
  61. Karate(TM) by karlandtanya · · Score: 5, Funny
    You could use the gyros (or whatever they use) in this device to detect orientation.

    And you could use GPS to detect precision.

    Then you could use a very fast wireless link to connect to a collection of high resolution earth images.

    So, if you held the device in front of you and looked at it, you could see exactly what you'd see if your hand was empty.

    PHBs should be able to buy this "empty-hand" device for $2500.00 in two years; the rest of will get it for $99.99 at Wal-Mart in five.

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    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
    1. Re:Karate(TM) by karlandtanya · · Score: 1
      Cr@p!

      I meant position, not precision.

      I'm doing propogation of errors in analog I/O modules and have "precision" on my mind right now.

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      "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
    2. Re:Karate(TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You aren't that far off. I remember a location based services talk given a couple years back. One possibility that was proposed with the availability of 3G+ wireless networks consisted of a wireless handheld with GPS displaying underground pipes/service lines in just the method you describe (kind of a wireless "First Call" service). A lot more useful than your example, but the same idea.

    3. Re:Karate(TM) by Prince_Ali · · Score: 1

      So, if you held the device in front of you and looked at it, you could see exactly what you'd see if your hand was empty.
      Why do you need all this equipment just to display a picture of your hand?

    4. Re:Karate(TM) by Quikah · · Score: 1

      I don't think GPS has enough resolution for this application. It can only go down to a meter or so I think. So you would have to run around the block to scroll around your document.

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      Q.
    5. Re:Karate(TM) by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 1

      That would help with the obesity problem many managers seem to have...

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    6. Re:Karate(TM) by afree87 · · Score: 1

      But it wouldn't even show a picture of your hand... it'd show a picture of the PDA, because that's what the "high-resolution earth image" would be taking a picture of. So (assuming all this silly stuff) you'd be looking at a recursive picture of your PDA... cool.

  62. compaq itchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there was something simmilar to this implemented in the prototype that compaq had b4 the ipaq. I seem to remember that you could control your movement by tilting the device. Not sure what exact name of the device was, but this idea of putting a gyro on a pda is been around for ages

  63. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. I can hardly walk, think and chew gum simultaneously. Add reading to that and I think I'll be Mack truck fodder.

  64. rather ancient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont know who invented it but at least AmigaOS and X11 supported virtual Screens(which are larger than the physical screen)for a very long time.

  65. Reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..of another peephole display.

  66. first... by m1chael · · Score: 0

    this is the most stupid thing i have ever seen! if you have a really long list you will end hitting yourself in the nuts!

    couldnt you just use the stylus as a dragging instrument? that way insurance premiums wouldnt skyrocket!

    doctor: tell me what happened?
    patient: i have a pda wedged in my crotch!

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  67. Way I read it... by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 1

    When I saw "peephole" I was thinking like a camera obscura -- like you look into a hole with a little projector and see a screen.

    Pictured all these people holding a PDA up to one eye like pirates.

    Then I got over it.

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    1. Re:Way I read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha, me too :D

  68. Without "Save" there can be no "Revert" by yerricde · · Score: 1

    no need to "save" work and "quit" programs

    I've been burned on this TWICE. I owned a Newton PDA with an external serial keyboard. It had a cute little clone of WordPad with one fatal flaw: a user couldn't roll back a document to the last saved version. (Most word processors let the user do this by closing the document without saving changes.) Without a commit/rollback structure to protect myself against accidentally deleting the contents of a document, I lost two important documents irretrievably.

    It's the same reason RAID mirroring isn't a backup.

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  69. is it actually that good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They guy has published the stuff in CHI, a forum for hci stuff. Some of the stuff that goes in there is like 'hey, we made interface X and it is much better that interface Y when we compared them'
    some issues:
    1 - you interact with the thing and make some use of the features, you have to hold it, and therefore your hand/arm will get tired, but that is always the case for the pda, I can not use one for more than one minute
    2 - how sensitive the gyro is?
    3 - if you tilt the screen, do you have to actually move your head to be able to see the screen. Pda's are not so good when you look at them from an angle
    4 - someone said about what about when you go in a bus....
    5 - Pda's are crap to look at
    6 - why he did not use the buttons to move the virtual display? the gyro seems an overkill to me, although introduces one more input channel
    I can not get access to the paper so no clue what this guy actually did, I'm just guessing

  70. Interesting API for 3D by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 1
    Of course, it's a mono display (unlike my true 3-D WebCam ), but the ability to move back and forth on the Z axis is fascinating, too.

    Maybe folks will be able to actually move about in their virtual 3D worlds by moving their peephole! Think of it--millions of Ultima or Sim players walking around the streets with their portable peepholes, instead of sitting alone begind their computer screens!

    It makes a lot of sense for movies. Why let some mastering company control your pan and scan? Pan and scan yourself. If there's a really w-i-d-e scene, either look around during it, or watch it again on the other side.

    1. Re:Interesting API for 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your 3d webcam is one of the COOLEST things I've ever seen!

  71. One drawback... by clickety6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..I wanted to add some data into my PDA's spreadsheet, but my arms weren't long enough to reach ZZ-999 :-(

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  72. And....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gone!

  73. Nothing to see here... by bill.sheehan · · Score: 1
    You kids today don't know what you're missing. I've got an Osborne Portable CP/M box with an after-market enhancement: a big fresnel lens and two long metal rods to position it in front of the 5" screen for maximum magnification. The screen acted as a 52 character-wide porthole on a 128 column virtual screen - as you typed, the display slid sideways to display the end of the line.

    "But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor."

    1. Re:Nothing to see here... by dbCooper0 · · Score: 1
      I, too, have an Osborne, with the magnification doo-dad :)

      Thanks for the memories...if and when that thing gets fired up again, it'll be to show my grandkids what helped start it all out...

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  74. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to beat up little shits like that all the time.

    BTW, where do you live so we can meet up and fight?

    1. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You don't want to.

      If you really do, use your freakin' brains and find out. Ohh wait! You're the other kind...270 pounds in weight and 27 in IQ.

      ~metlin
      (card carrying member of Mensa)

  75. We're gonna get even weirder... by PatSand · · Score: 1

    Just imagine... Folks talking to the empty air (cell phones users, nowadays) Folks waving a small box around and looking at it (this peephole viewing technique) So when somebody is on the cell phone and needs to check out something on his palm pilot, here's what somebody will see... A person talking to the empty air, waving a small box around, and watching it closely... Maybe we can change the palm pilot to a wand, have folks wear cloaks and pointy hats...and call themselves Harry P....LOL

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    1. Re:We're gonna get even weirder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put the crackpipe down.. k-thx.

  76. Me Too! by limekiller4 · · Score: 1

    This is the most content-free message, ever, but I have to say it... This is one of the coolest things I have ever seen.

    There. I said it. =)

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  77. Pedantic bastard by Anarchofascist · · Score: 1

    "...I don't want a PDA until they can draw on my iris with lasers..."

    I'd rather have one which draws onto my retina.

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    1. Re:Pedantic bastard by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Heh...pedantic not-so-smart-guy, more like it: the retina is the back of the eye which has the rods and cones on it, while the iris is that black circle which lets light through in the front of the eye. Drawing directly to the retina requires a higher power laser and could damage the retina. Targeting the iris however is much easier in terms of motion tracking and is less power intensive, thus safer. And the light would hit the retina anyway if the iris were tageted.

      Try being correct when you have another pedantic urge.

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    2. Re:Pedantic bastard by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      According to this link, Anarchofascist is right and we're wrong. And if it's on the web, then it must be true! The iris is the colored part of the eye, around the black pupil. Your point is probably correct, that it'd be best to target the pupil...

      But I'm still wrong. The iris wouldn't do at all.

      So... try being correct when you correct someone's pedantic pupil correction urge. Nur.

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    3. Re:Pedantic bastard by mlyle · · Score: 1

      And uhm, if you're sending focused light through the PUPIL, what exactly do you think you're shining light on? Certainly not the retina-- of course not. That would make sense. Instead I'm sure it goes off into a black hole.

    4. Re:Pedantic bastard by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Isn't the pupil a black hole?

    5. Re:Pedantic bastard by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Damn! I hate it when that happens :)

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    6. Re:Pedantic bastard by Anarchofascist · · Score: 1

      "...the iris is that black circle which lets light through in the front of the eye..."

      No it's not. That is the pupil. The iris is the coloured part of the front of the eye surrounding the pupil.

      "...Drawing directly to the retina requires a higher power laser..."

      No it doesn't.

      I'm clearly dealing with either a simpleton or an ignoramus. If it's a simpleton, there's no hope, but if it's an ignoramus then hopefully some of that ignorance can be dispelled through reading the links in this message.

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  78. It doesn't have to work that way. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    You can get very clever on how you are bouncing the light around so that you are displaying the full image at all times but which part you actually see depends on the angle of your eye to the device.

    1. Re:It doesn't have to work that way. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      They who like the way things are shouldn't complain about complainers.

      I agree completely! But what really burns me up is guys like you, who complain about those who complain about the complainers.

  79. Already been done in Japan by Serveert · · Score: 1

    In fact it's been in use in Japan for quite some time.

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    1. Re:Already been done in Japan by Serveert · · Score: 1

      After reading the un-slashdotted mirror, it seems that's not entirely correct. The peephole technology is in use in Japan but the motion tracking is not.

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  80. DDR? by yerricde · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It will look like a bunch of DDR freaks on mescalin.

    Why do you assume that people from former East Germany (the Deutsche Demokratische Republik) are "freaks" and use hallucinogenic drugs?

    Or is a "DDR freak" somebody who runs applications that benefit from the increased memory bandwidth of double data rate SDRAM?

    Or do you mean the game whose fifth mix included a song titled "Hot Limit" and subtitled "We Drink Ritalin"?

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  81. Hey, that sounds just like... by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 1
    the display is a "peephole" into a much larger information area.

    Hey, that sounds just like my old Osborne 1.

  82. Won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not for pr0n, anyway...

    Do you look at the left breast, or the right breast?

    Left breast...

    Right breast...

    Left...

    Right...

    And now you've got two vigorous back-and-forth motions to deal with.

  83. "Advantages" don't seem that great by ianscot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only problem with scroll bars mentioned is:

    current display technology constrains the size of the display to be no larger than the physical size of the device.

    Are we that worried about the screen real estate? Enough to break the user interface continuity from, say, your computer to your PDA for something as basic as scrolling? The "several advantages" of doing so seem pretty insubstantial:

    Scrolling becomes direct and intuitive; one can move to a new region of the space just as fast as one can move the device.
    Arrows and a scroll bar are going to be more "intuitive" than any "move the PDA and it scrolls" approach, I'm betting. Remember seeing your grandma getting to the edge of her mousepad, and not knowing how to pick up the mouse to "hop" it and scroll a little farther? How intuitive will this be by comparison?

    It eliminates the feedback loop of normal scrolling (press "Down", read, press "Down", read, etc.) and replaces it with a single movement.
    People don't read text as it scrolls. Watch that DVD you have of Star Wars, Episode I -- at 4x speed -- and read the yellow text at the start. Does that work?

    It replaces discrete control with continuous control, massively increasing the bandwidth of information communicated between user and device.
    Is this one just filler? Describe the "massive" increase.

    It frees the hand used to operate the device, permitting scrolling and interaction at the same time.
    People don't read and scroll at one time, and here's guessing they won't poke at a moving target of a button. What would they be doing, dragging a mask over the edge of an image in photoshop -- on their PDA? While moving the "peephole" window?

    It yields some of the advantages of two-handed interfaces for free: the non-dominant hand gives coarse positioning information, while the dominant hand does specific pointing and manipulation.
    You can actually see this one -- except the converse statement would be that it requires two hands to do what one could do before.

    If it's really just screen real estate, a trackball or little direction pad like a gameboy has makes more sense, with some sort of tiny but clear visual clue -- a border or something -- that you could scroll in one direction or another. But we're all used to scroll bars by now, we really are, and even something as simple as that would be jarring for lots of people.

    Maybe there are some new ways to program for this model, to take advantage of those, uh, advantages, but for the stuff we do now it'd be clumsier.

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  84. Prior art? How is this different? by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

    With orginal link removed from existance and google cache not keeping pictures - how is this different from the screen goggles sold for quiet a few years now. I remmember seeing a few years back a goggle pair that claimed to be equivalent of a 42" display or something like it.

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    1. Re:Prior art? How is this different? by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

      After a quick research - they were made by Sony called Glasstron Goggles PLM-A35/55 but seem to be out of production now. At one point they also anounced support for macs.

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  85. Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kirby Tilt N Tumble for the Gameboy uses a 2 axis accelrometer to achieve this type of scrolling interface.

  86. Panning mode on Desktop/Mobile systems by jbischof · · Score: 1

    This has existed for a while as "Panning" on mobile platforms. Sometimes a small LCD cannot see all of a big picture / game / resolution and the graphics driver will let you pan around the larger image by dragging the mouse to the edge of the screen, like this "peephole".

  87. Peephole Peepshows? by docbrown42 · · Score: 1

    Well, they say that pr0n drives most new innovations....

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  88. wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. A motion activated scrollbar. Better that that puppy asap, along with clean underwear...

  89. Fun for Window$ users by indros13 · · Score: 1

    1. set display to 1024x768
    2. open the page with the lead-in and comments
    3. open 5-6 other program windows so the taskbar shrinks each one down a bit
    4. laugh at the appearance of "Slashdot | Pee..." on your taskbar

    Fun for endless seconds...er, yeah

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  90. Wow by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

    When I worked in a telecom store a year back or so, me and and another guy just got our hands on one of the last few Rex 6000 from our distributor. While we were talking a bit about it he got this very idea, that you should be able to scroll the screen by moving the unit over a table or so. I thought it was a brilliant idea, but then forgot all about it. Until now. Fancy!

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  91. Re:Simple solution to slashdot effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the faq misses the most important point!

    serving infomation costs money, and /. adverts you by having you download other people's information...

    it would ruin their cost basis to mirror and serve real content. they don't make enough revenue to support that.

  92. Cool, now we just have to wait for... by orallo · · Score: 0

    The virtual gloryhole.

    When those came out I aint leaving the house

  93. I have the patent on this thing ;-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/bnsviewer?CY=se& LG=se&DB=EPD&PN=WO9918495&ID=WO+++9918495A2+I+ /Anders Hedberg

  94. Is it as bad as his other books? by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    The -ware books (Software, Wetware, Hardware) were some of the biggest steaming piles I ever read, outside of Star Trek novels. Is this one any better, or does it have the same assortment of cardboard characters, idiotic chattiness in the most dire situations, and deus-ex-machina super technologies?

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  95. Current prototype appears to be a mouse by Chris+Canfield · · Score: 1

    if you look closely at the picture provided on the page, the current prototype is implemented with an optical mouse (on a visor). This limits the functionality of the tool to areas where enough space would be available for, say, a laptop if one were available. Something like this would need to be too sensitive (1 pixel or less resolution) for GPS, so in a practical implementation of a free-floating system one would need a relativistic system, which would require some sort of tagging for the user. Either way, it would be grossly impractical to use this sort of thing to write with (try writing on a piece of glass while moving it), limiting its utility to reading / playback. For those things, however, a built-in trackball would be as easy / simple to use, and wouldn't require a separate dongle or an extra hand.

    Besides, when was the last time you stood absolutely still while using your PDA?

    I don't mean to rail on the guy for coming up with a creative and fun interface option. This is very, very cool. But it isn't very useful, and I would hate to see too much VC devoted to it instead of something that would reach production... like a 2d clone of the jogdial.

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  96. dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..is that the same Ka-Ping Yee that's coordinating the Python de-cal at Cal (duh) this semester?!

    I saw a picture of him and he scared me. So.. so.. smarter-than-I-looking. Dude, now he REALLY scares me..!!!

  97. Re:Simple solution to slashdot effect by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

    That's a bullshit answer. When you link to "Joe blow geocities website" you can reasonably expect it to crash.

    Does google cause a problem by caching? Who cares if there are ad's on the site, simply reference the site and show the mirror.

    It's more irresponsible to post a link to something that cannot handle the load than it is to mirror it. Besides 90+ percent of the sites shown here dont have any ad's on them at all so it's a bullshit cop-out excuse for not mirroring.

  98. slower slower slower slooooweeer by sniperindisguise · · Score: 0

    started at 25 to 20 to 14 to 7 and stopped around 2.93KB/Sec

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  99. Great by schnitzi · · Score: 1

    I can already envision guys on the subway bonking their palm pilots into my head as they try to move down to read the next line of text.

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  100. Sorry; concept is actually old by now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I first described this approach by 1986, while I was a researcher working for IBM. It was made public in the March 1987 issue of the "IBM Technical Disclosure Bulletin" and then implemented independently elsewhere in the early 1990's, as detailed on my Web page here:
    http://www.geocities.com/cuncie/gadgets.htm l ("Displays that know where they are")

    Since the TDB copy hyperlink is rotten I will quote a bit from the article here:

    "Absolute Display Window Mouse/Mice

    "Flat panel displays made movable on a large image surface can act as panning display window to provide improved spatial/visual coordination. A large drawing board is used to represent the actual size of the image were it to be displayed all at once; and one or more flat panel display(s) can be manually positioned over the expanse of said drawing board. The position (and perhaps orientation) of the display(s) on the board are sensed by digitizing devices, and this information is used to formulate what image information is shown on the display(s)... Displays with anisotropic active area aspect ratios can be reoriented (perhaps only in 90 degree steps for simplicity) to provide a portrait or landscape image as needed at the moment..."

    Smart people often come up with good ideas that are already known to a larger world. They should not become discouraged. Keep at it and you will finally devise something truly original!

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  101. Why don't you guys check out some (prior) Art? by mattr · · Score: 1

    Jeffrey Shaw, one of the most amazing artists alive. His EVE from 1993 and Golden Calf from 1995 (animation) seem to be good examples of this idea. Techies should study Art!

  102. Related: DIgital's Itsy; zoom/scroll UI by yandros · · Score: 1

    Two related projects that might be interesting:

    The Itsy, a research project that arguably laid the foundations for the iPaq, used a similar navigation system, based on rocker switches to scroll through documents.

    Itsy Project pages

    There was another experimental user interface prototyped on the palm, designed as a sort of a `file/concept manager', where each document showed up as a small icon. Related items were connected by lines. Only the stuff at the center of the screen showed any sort of text description; other things were shrunk and on the periphery, and the user moved around a sort of fish-eye lens. Unfortunately, I can't find my references to the project anymore (google didn't help, although I didn't try for very long). If anyone finds/remembers the project, I'd love to hear about it.

  103. This would be horrible by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a virtual desktop screen larger than the physical monitor, only worse. The problem with the virtual desk top is it jumps around whenever the mouse gets near the edge, and it's a pain to see what you're doing

    With the PDA it would be almost imposible to hold it steady enough to be useful, and what happens if you're in a moving vehicle? If you're trying to use the PDA in a meeting, you'll look silly trying to move the PDA around

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    A recent study has found that concentrating on difficult off-screen
    objects, such as the faces of loved ones, causes eye strain in computer
    scientists. Researchers into the phenomenon cite the added concentration
    needed to "make sense" of such unnatural three dimensional objects.

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