No, you don't have to do either of those things, what browser are you using to look at slashdot? Probably Netscape... Netscape is only released in one way.
That one binary runs on GNOME, KDE, Window Maker, and all others. They just chose to write to the standard X APIs.
I dont have my root menu in the lower left corner...
My tasklist is by my root menu on the top of my screen (the menu is on the right side and the task list on the left)...
OK, I have the X in the top right corner but I like this theme (BrushedMetalII)
All of this in GNOME, I also once had my menu starting off the left click and task-list off of the right click (left handed mouse) but I didn't like it.
So it seems that though I have chosen a 'standard' GUI, I have it pretty much configured how I like it. And if any of the features I have chosen seem to you like they are similar to Windows' then maybe MS actually had a good idea or two.
P.S. What I would like is left-handed mouse pointers... anyone know how to do that?
Nautilis(sp?) is making this big hype about ease of use etc... are they going to have quick command line acess built in/integrated or are we going to have to rely on current *terms?
Let GNOME and KDE offer integration. You want GNOME to start fetchmail for you? Make that an option.
An option. A choice. The real difference between open-source and closed-source.
Examples: So person A wants integration for some things because then they wont have to worry about them. Person B doesn't want integration because they are only own a palrty 266MHz K6-2 with 12mb of ram.
Why can't one desktop appeal to both?
And to get back onto the big subject: why would we need a _new_ desktop to do this?
It could start a whole new way of interactions from buisnesses to the oss community. Give us stuff and in return we will say good things about you and also give you our buisness.
Why didn't Microsoft think of this? Oh yeah they did, its the only reason they ever got marketshare.:-)
The point was/is: Is Linux versatile enough to make anybody happy with every part of it.
As far as the install process goes, I would never dream of going back to the level of Corel/Mandrake or even RedHat, those are too simple for my use.
It would be impossible though for my roommate to use Linux if it weren't for Red Hat and all of the assistance he is getting. With these things he is happily using Linux and rarely reboots to Win.
As Corel and others come out that make the install/maintenance process even simpler, there will still be dists like SlackWare that dont care about ease of use because they are made more for our type of user. And if worse comes to worse, why do I need a new distrib anyway? I can just dld it all...
And in reference to getting programs like AOL ported to Linux and the other OSes should be the goal of all of you anti-ms people. When the AOLs of the world feel that Linux is easy (and friendly) enough for their customers to be able to use it as an OS, then and only then will we have a real revolution.
The majority of the computer buying public today has no idea nor care what OS comes with it, their only question is: "Can I check my email?". The open source community has been getting a lot of press lately and new strides are being taken everyday. But until the people who don't happen to know everything about computers are able to use another operating system, they wont!
In the early days of the 'net (now im getting old)... there were very few induhviduals online, and computers were _really_ expensive. Then it all exploded (mostly web)... the id10ts we're lways in the news as spreading their message... all sites were basically redundant crap...
but time heals all wounds and now: the id10ts are still out there but noone pays attention anymore, there is signifigantly better stuff available now (though the crap didn't disappear yet)... ans all it took was some time and a lot of people and even more money
still could work though... say a music store pays $X.00 to build their own station. The station only brings in say 10 people who weren't going to be come anyway. That's 10 new potential customers. Those odds sound better than any banner campaign on the web.
A medical student that is about to graduate may recieve an offer from some little hick town. This town can't get any doctors to move their and their populace is in poor health because of it. The town would offer the student re-imbursment for his/her loans in exchange they work as the towen doctor for X # of years.
This also is done with teachers, and who knows what other professions.
"There is a war going on... it's about who controls the information."
As all nations will eventually discover (and many already have), you can't control the information on the computer parts (hardware and software) that is produced in another country.
China has chosen to use Linux to start, whatever major changes they happen make to it, I am sure they will not share. It makes sense though, for reasons that are obvious to most of us, they won't want to use Windohs.
Reasons like: 1. Security 2. User Support 3. Hardware Support (How long will it be before Win will run that brand new Chinese video card?) 4. Can you trust the software of your enemy?
Now the reasons to use Linux: 1. It's there. (It wont require them to spend tons ofmoney developing an OS of their own) 2. Free Beer. (Who can turn it down?) 3. Can easily be investigated and customized. (GPL is more lenient towards private customizations than FreeBSD's licensing) 4. They probably already have *NIX programmers around. 5. Not to mention the reliabilty, yadda, yadda, yadda.
>With the rate of growth in the linux community it wont be long till we outgrow the number of windows users,
Yes, the Linux community is growing by leaps and bounds.
But the Windows "community" isn't shrinking by the same rate.
A very large part of the 10 million or so Linux users dual boot to windows.
For example: I regullary use 4 different computers at work and home. 2 of them dual boot. 2 of them are only win. Of the 2 that dual boot, one is usually in linux, and one is usually in win.
At work we will finally be getting our first Linux computer in about a month (other than the web server of course)
My point being that it will take a lot longer than you may think for linux to be bigger than windoze. And by then who knows, there may be an alternate OS to Linux.
It may not be possible to get 2,000,000 sigs. but why not aim for it?
So, what if they only get 100,000 sigs. that's a lot of people on a petition. Enough to make the companies listen? I don't know.
And it wont only be Linux users signing this (and other) petitions. All users of *NIXes should care about this subject because if Linux gets the driver it wont be hard to get it for their OS from that. FreeBSD et al. users should really care because the same drivers will probably work for them too. MAc users should care (if they know what a driver is) because they are also users of an underdog OS. And many Win users, dont use linux but they plan to in the future.
Add that all up, it should be about 2,000,000 or more signees.
Why is it always so hard to get drivers in this cruel world? Do the companies take forever to release drivers for windoze, no.
If the PHB's of these companies just woke up, and said "Hey, the only reason we are missing an entire OS is because we won't re-compile some drivers. We should do that."
Then the PHB passes the order down to the programmers and they make Linux Drivers. And all is good.
Of course some companies already do that, but not enough.
So everyone sign this petition (once you've read it thoroughly of course) to show them we want our drivers!
Devil Ducky
I know this comment is pretty much worthless but it's still early.
I also have been using RH since early in their distros.
I personally would like to find out how easy it would be to switch to debian or another distro without losing everything in the process. I know I'll lose everything that is RPMed but other than that what could happen?
Does anyone who has done this have any tips tricks on how to do it properly?
1. M$'s fdisk wont delete or recognize any non-dos partition. Therefore you would have to usr linux's fdisk (covered in the directions).
2. If you are using linux fdisk typing fdisk/mbr would create an interesting error.
The way I see it the only people who would use these directions are people who normally use windoze and were just seeing what the hype is about. And these people would not have only linuxpartiotions on their system. That brings us to: 3. Deleting all partitions will remove the dos partitions too.
4. And as to M$ releasing their own product to do this: fdisk was originally a M$ product, IMHO one of their best.
I know this has probably all been said already, but now it's in one place.:-)
A member of the community doesn't have to invest in these upcoming IPOs just because they are offered a chance to do so. It is still up to that individual person (or company) to research the company and discover for themselves wether or not to invest their hard earned cash.
And eventually that scenario will happen to a LINUX company. It will happen when a bunch of companies jump on the linux-ipo bandwagon like dotcom companies are doing now. When the first few companies that do it without any product whatsoever and get caught by the public their stock will crash. And at the same time bring the rest of the good linux stocks with them, though hopefully not for long.
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No, you don't have to do either of those things, what browser are you using to look at slashdot?
Probably Netscape...
Netscape is only released in one way.
That one binary runs on GNOME, KDE, Window Maker, and all others. They just chose to write to the standard X APIs.
All of this in GNOME, I also once had my menu starting off the left click and task-list off of the right click (left handed mouse) but I didn't like it.
So it seems that though I have chosen a 'standard' GUI, I have it pretty much configured how I like it. And if any of the features I have chosen seem to you like they are similar to Windows' then maybe MS actually had a good idea or two.
P.S. What I would like is left-handed mouse pointers... anyone know how to do that?
That brings up a question.
Nautilis(sp?) is making this big hype about ease of use etc... are they going to have quick command line acess built in/integrated or are we going to have to rely on current *terms?
Win98's integration can _not_ be turned off.
Let GNOME and KDE offer integration. You want GNOME to start fetchmail for you? Make that an option.
An option. A choice. The real difference between open-source and closed-source.
Examples:
So person A wants integration for some things because then they wont have to worry about them. Person B doesn't want integration because they are only own a palrty 266MHz K6-2 with 12mb of ram.
Why can't one desktop appeal to both?
And to get back onto the big subject: why would we need a _new_ desktop to do this?
It could start a whole new way of interactions from buisnesses to the oss community. Give us stuff and in return we will say good things about you and also give you our buisness.
:-)
Why didn't Microsoft think of this? Oh yeah they did, its the only reason they ever got marketshare.
The point was/is:
Is Linux versatile enough to make anybody happy with every part of it.
As far as the install process goes, I would never dream of going back to the level of Corel/Mandrake or even RedHat, those are too simple for my use.
It would be impossible though for my roommate to use Linux if it weren't for Red Hat and all of the assistance he is getting. With these things he is happily using Linux and rarely reboots to Win.
As Corel and others come out that make the install/maintenance process even simpler, there will still be dists like SlackWare that dont care about ease of use because they are made more for our type of user. And if worse comes to worse, why do I need a new distrib anyway? I can just dld it all...
did you try:
licq -p qt-gui
?
I agree (damn the flames full speed ahead!)
And in reference to getting programs like AOL ported to Linux and the other OSes should be the goal of all of you anti-ms people. When the AOLs of the world feel that Linux is easy (and friendly) enough for their customers to be able to use it as an OS, then and only then will we have a real revolution.
The majority of the computer buying public today has no idea nor care what OS comes with it, their only question is: "Can I check my email?". The open source community has been getting a lot of press lately and new strides are being taken everyday. But until the people who don't happen to know everything about computers are able to use another operating system, they wont!
And that's about all I want to type about that...
In the early days of the 'net (now im getting old)... there were very few induhviduals online, and computers were _really_ expensive. Then it all exploded (mostly web)... the id10ts we're lways in the news as spreading their message... all sites were basically redundant crap...
but time heals all wounds and now: the id10ts are still out there but noone pays attention anymore, there is signifigantly better stuff available now (though the crap didn't disappear yet)... ans all it took was some time and a lot of people and even more money
still could work though...
say a music store pays $X.00 to build their own station. The station only brings in say 10 people who weren't going to be come anyway. That's 10 new potential customers. Those odds sound better than any banner campaign on the web.
For that matter, how could they even tell they were mp3's and not a buch of cd's set to random or something?
since it worked for him, mod me as "irresistable to women"
I can't wait
P.S. Sorry for being offtopic
This same system already works all of the time.
A medical student that is about to graduate may recieve an offer from some little hick town. This town can't get any doctors to move their and their populace is in poor health because of it. The town would offer the student re-imbursment for his/her loans in exchange they work as the towen doctor for X # of years.
This also is done with teachers, and who knows what other professions.
"There is a war going on... it's about who controls the information."
As all nations will eventually discover (and many already have), you can't control the information on the computer parts (hardware and software) that is produced in another country.
China has chosen to use Linux to start, whatever major changes they happen make to it, I am sure they will not share. It makes sense though, for reasons that are obvious to most of us, they won't want to use Windohs.
Reasons like:
1. Security
2. User Support
3. Hardware Support (How long will it be before Win will run that brand new Chinese video card?)
4. Can you trust the software of your enemy?
Now the reasons to use Linux:
1. It's there. (It wont require them to spend tons ofmoney developing an OS of their own)
2. Free Beer. (Who can turn it down?)
3. Can easily be investigated and customized. (GPL is more lenient towards private customizations than FreeBSD's licensing)
4. They probably already have *NIX programmers around.
5. Not to mention the reliabilty, yadda, yadda, yadda.
>With the rate of growth in the linux community it wont be long till we outgrow the number of windows users,
Yes, the Linux community is growing by leaps and bounds.
But the Windows "community" isn't shrinking by the same rate.
A very large part of the 10 million or so Linux users dual boot to windows.
For example: I regullary use 4 different computers at work and home. 2 of them dual boot. 2 of them are only win. Of the 2 that dual boot, one is usually in linux, and one is usually in win.
At work we will finally be getting our first Linux computer in about a month (other than the web server of course)
My point being that it will take a lot longer than you may think for linux to be bigger than windoze.
And by then who knows, there may be an alternate OS to Linux.
Yeah, I know a couple of companies that do that.
I've heard that IBM (Lotus?) has been making a lot of it's software on AIX and then porting onto Win/OS2 for years.
It may not be possible to get 2,000,000 sigs. but why not aim for it?
So, what if they only get 100,000 sigs. that's a lot of people on a petition. Enough to make the companies listen? I don't know.
And it wont only be Linux users signing this (and other) petitions. All users of *NIXes should care about this subject because if Linux gets the driver it wont be hard to get it for their OS from that. FreeBSD et al. users should really care because the same drivers will probably work for them too. MAc users should care (if they know what a driver is) because they are also users of an underdog OS. And many Win users, dont use linux but they plan to in the future.
Add that all up, it should be about 2,000,000 or more signees.
That's not really my belief, I was simplifing and exagerating.
But if it were a real PHB incharge they would think it was that easy, and order it to be done that way.
However I believe (from little experience) that it would be easier to first write the driver for the *NIX OSes and then port that to Windows.
Why is it always so hard to get drivers in this cruel world? Do the companies take forever to release drivers for windoze, no.
If the PHB's of these companies just woke up, and said "Hey, the only reason we are missing an entire OS is because we won't re-compile some drivers. We should do that."
Then the PHB passes the order down to the programmers and they make Linux Drivers. And all is good.
Of course some companies already do that, but not enough.
So everyone sign this petition (once you've read it thoroughly of course) to show them we want our drivers!
Devil Ducky
I know this comment is pretty much worthless but it's still early.
I also have been using RH since early in their distros.
I personally would like to find out how easy it would be to switch to debian or another distro without losing everything in the process. I know I'll lose everything that is RPMed but other than that what could happen?
Does anyone who has done this have any tips tricks on how to do it properly?
Devil Ducky
Slashdot is not supposed to have an agenda. That's how you report news, report all of it, no matter how mundane.
That's sure news to me... so tell me what exactally was Mosaic then?
But I still do agree with your point, in fact this kind of proves it.
Once you're branded a computer person can you ever not be one?
Bill Gates used to be a computer person he even wrote some useful programs... Of course that was before he went to the dark side.
But that would make 2 actual computer people on the list, and a lot of buisness people related to computers.
To be exact:
Linus, Bill Gates, Carly Fiorina, Jeff Bezos,
Steve Jobs, and Lou Gerstner
1. M$'s fdisk wont delete or recognize any non-dos partition. Therefore you would have to usr linux's fdisk (covered in the directions).
/mbr would create an interesting error.
:-)
2. If you are using linux fdisk typing fdisk
The way I see it the only people who would use these directions are people who normally use windoze and were just seeing what the hype is about. And these people would not have only linuxpartiotions on their system. That brings us to:
3. Deleting all partitions will remove the dos partitions too.
4. And as to M$ releasing their own product to do this: fdisk was originally a M$ product, IMHO one of their best.
I know this has probably all been said already, but now it's in one place.
D.D.
Where Do You Want to go yesterday?
A member of the community doesn't have to invest in these upcoming IPOs just because they are offered a chance to do so. It is still up to that individual person (or company) to research the company and discover for themselves wether or not to invest their hard earned cash.
And eventually that scenario will happen to a LINUX company. It will happen when a bunch of companies jump on the linux-ipo bandwagon like dotcom companies are doing now. When the first few companies that do it without any product whatsoever and get caught by the public their stock will crash. And at the same time bring the rest of the good linux stocks with them, though hopefully not for long.