This guy is writing directly to IT managers and non tech types, not programmers. After displaying his bias and ignorance it's a wonder he gets any business at all. He sounds like he's repeating soemthing someone else told him.
He epouses the common myth that free must mean worthless. Unfortunately the mentality among large companies with large established IT staffs holds to that myth.
It might be a good idea to warn people about this bozo.
You might be right. ON the other hand, if the person running the lab is a jerk, I and anyoneelse would appreciate knowing that before applying for a job there.
I've worked for people like he describes. It's very demoralizing, plus there is little you can do about except to quit. One employer I worked for was so bad, I made sure my programming friends new about it (discreetly of course).
He may be unwise to post what he did, but I admire his convictions. If more people did this, employers would be less likely to take advantage of their employees for fear of scaring away potential talent.
Just my.02
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This would make a great system for my Mother-in-Law. I doubt upgrade issues would be a concern for her.
Your right. This whole arrangement will make IS managers a lot more comfortable using Borland tools. There was/is a fear that Borland is going out of business (this fear has been around since the late 80's). Maybe this will kill it once and for all.
Things could be worse, imagine if CA invested in them.
In the early 90's Borland discovered MS was using their tech to develop Windows and Win apps. Needless to say they were pissed. This forced Borland to change their lic agreement to limit distribution of any products written with their compilers to 10,000 copies without getting further permission.
MS has been raiding Borland for programming talend for years. example...The new bubbling and event management features in IE4 and later are direct ripoffs of Paradox for Windows.
MS probably figured out that it is cheaper to invest in Borland than keep offering million dollar signing bonuses to their key employees, and get sued for it.(Borland brought legal action against MS for actively soliciting their employees)
Borland is simply getting some of their own back (hence the additional $100 million.)
As long as they don't turn Delphi into another Virtually Braindead, this is very good for Borland. It will make all the conservative IS managers in the Fortune 1000 much more comfortable using Borland superior tools.
BTW, JBuilder code should already be able to run on Linux if you have a Java compatible VM. I think IBMs' works, but I'm not sure.
I too am a Delphi developer. Rumor has it that an alpha version of Delphi is being run in Linux. Don't hold your breath though. They dropped their promise to have Delphi generate Java byte code.
I don't buy that. Lets see, they broadcast it in Canada and other places. Knowing that Canadians, and people around the world were just as aware of Littleton as U.S citizens were. BUT.. it's alright to show it to non US citizens. Hmmm, does that mean they think non U.S markets are less sensitive to massacres than U.S citizens. Don't you think the people in Canada and elsewhere were just as apalled about Littleton as U.S citizens are?
If WB was truly trying to be tasteful, they would not have broadcast it anywhere. I have to agree with Katz on this one, they are cowards and hypocrites.
Just some food for thought. Everyone who ports their 3D/2D animation software over to NT/Alpha, prefers it over Intel. Since these programs make heavy use of FP, they love the Alpha platform. Even within the limitations of the NT OS.
The company that makes the cartoon/animation software I use (Animation Stand) can't say enough good things about the Alpha. I hope Compaq continues to improve and support the Alpha chip.
The one here in Boca Raton and Coconut Creek (FL) carries a large selection also.
Even better they have all the Episode I "the Phantom Annoyance" stuff at 20% off. I stood there and read the comic book, now I don't "have" to make to premier, I already know the ending.
The good thing about all this, is we all have a choice.
Personally, I am not anti MS or WinNT. The other good thing is bringing the shortcomings of both OS's to light. The only result(hopefully) is that both sides respond to critisism by making their respective OS's even better. I get the feeling that's what is happening with Linux, not so sure about MS.
Linux, because it is free or low cost can answer critisisms with "okay, we'll fix it". At the moment Linux doesn't have to justify a corporation spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to license their software.
MS would get into deep trouble admiting they needed to fix things, AND charge you lots of money while they're doing it. So, instead of honest and open discussions about WinNT shortcomings, they use FUD to preserve their revenue streams. Remember (if Alex St. John is to be believed) MS is no longer run by Techies, but by "professional" managers trying to increase the value of their stock options.
>>$1000 is one day's work for a development team. if over a project, using NT's superior tools saves 2 days, the choice of NT has paid for itself. (before anyone flames me over "superior tools", please tell me the linux equivalents of MTS, MSMQ and DCOM) >ASP has complete integration with COM and can do anything a COM object can do. This approach is markedly superior to text processing languages. This same advantage is shared by CORBA an EJB tools, which again, linux doesn't have. Corba is available for linux/python, it's called fnorb and has been around for at least a year. Python is not just a text processing language. Unlike VB and vbscript/jscript it is fully object oriented and can interface with C/C++ libraries if needed. Not just made to fit libs like MS does, but any C/C++ libs.
Corba is multiplatform and at this stage far more robust than COM (I use Delphi and COM). Corba doesn't lock me into Windows specific tools.
BTW, Pearl and Python have "standard" features that VB programmers can't even dream about.
Now about MTS,MSMQ and DCOM. MTS... very good, but not unique, the Borland/Inprise Midas architecture can use it or CORBA, and can use corba on non MS platforms.
MTS is just a another buzz word from MS thats been done on other platforms. You don't need MTS to create you own transaction management system, though MTS is supposed to make it easier.
DCOM.. what corba used to be. There is also RMI if you use Java, with a much more robust communication process.
MSMQ, don't know what that is, sorry.
COM,DCOM,ActiveX.. all add processor overhead because of the requirement to use virtual methods and unknown types. Makes it easier to implement, but slower in setup and intial execution.
Advice, next time you call a language just a 'Text processing" language, make sure you know what you are talking about.
In case your wondering, I use Delphi and Borland C++ builder on Win. Starting to use Python also.
1.A lot of sites use IIS 3, not 4 because 4 is still very buggy.
2. Just for the sake of argument, lets say NT/IIS4 is better at the upper end. Is it $1,000.00 per server better?
3. Which server has more server side application options? Apache with it's module interface is superior to IIS and ISAPI. For example, rewrite and perl or python are much more powerful than ASP and jscript/Visual Basic.
4. Don't forget that to actually develop any thing worthwhile on NT/IIS (like database access and ecommerce) you have to puchase additional and sometimes very expensive tools. Tools that are free or low cost for Linux.
Considering all the stuff you have to go through to setup any good website, the real answer is stability and options, not propaganda.
Unless MS allows a truly disinterested third party to oversee and conduct the benchmarks, they don't deserve to have their stats believed, even if they are true.
Just my.02
Best Line not in the movie Matrix: When you can snatch the floopy disk from my hand Grasshopper, it will be time for you to leave.
Gigabit ethernet still may not be fast enough for the new HDTV data requirements. Uncompressed HDTV video at 1080i 60fields per second needs at least 1.6 Gb to transfer properly. LANs setup in broadcast and post production studios are looking at ATM/Fibrechannel.
While I don't agree about the terrorist stuff, I do about the fascist stuff. Only it's not the Federal Gov that's the problem, its the county and city goverments that are increasingly fascist. I know a local community close to where I live that won't allow video stores to rent unrated/director cuts of movies. It's too expensive to fight them and they count on that.
The supreme court abrocated the feds responsibilty to uphold constituional freedoms and we've been paying the price ever since.
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Just wondering if there are any crackers on /. who wouldn't mind helping out online society and going after these slimeballs?
For starters,try censorship of online content. AOL censors news groups and other unpleasent stuff. They reek.
(Win/IE5)or (Linux/somebrowser) and (pick your favorite ISP) are way more preferable to AOL.
Besides as a group, AOlers are without a doubt the most technically ignorant people on line (and proud of it).
This guy is writing directly to IT managers and non tech types, not programmers. After displaying his bias and ignorance it's a wonder he gets any business at all. He sounds like he's repeating soemthing someone else told him.
He epouses the common myth that free must mean worthless. Unfortunately the mentality among large companies with large established IT staffs holds to that myth.
It might be a good idea to warn people about this bozo.
You might be right. ON the other hand, if the person running the lab is a jerk, I and anyoneelse would appreciate knowing that before applying for a job there.
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I've worked for people like he describes. It's very demoralizing, plus there is little you can do about except to quit. One employer I worked for was so bad, I made sure my programming friends new about it (discreetly of course).
He may be unwise to post what he did, but I admire his convictions. If more people did this, employers would be less likely to take advantage of their employees for fear of scaring away potential talent.
Just my
This would make a great system for my Mother-in-Law. I doubt upgrade issues would be a concern for her.
Your right. This whole arrangement will make IS managers a lot more comfortable using Borland tools. There was/is a fear that Borland is going out of business (this fear has been around since the late 80's). Maybe this will kill it once and for all.
Things could be worse, imagine if CA invested in them.
In the early 90's Borland discovered MS was using their tech to develop Windows and Win apps. Needless to say they were pissed. This forced Borland to change their lic agreement to limit distribution of any products written with their compilers to 10,000 copies without getting further permission.
MS has been raiding Borland for programming talend for years. example...The new bubbling and event management features in IE4 and later are direct ripoffs of Paradox for Windows.
MS probably figured out that it is cheaper to invest in Borland than keep offering million dollar signing bonuses to their key employees, and get sued for it.(Borland brought legal action against MS for actively soliciting their employees)
Borland is simply getting some of their own back (hence the additional $100 million.)
As long as they don't turn Delphi into another Virtually Braindead, this is very good for Borland. It will make all the conservative IS managers in the Fortune 1000 much more comfortable using Borland superior tools.
BTW, JBuilder code should already be able to run on Linux if you have a Java compatible VM. I think IBMs' works, but I'm not sure.
I too am a Delphi developer. Rumor has it that an alpha version of Delphi is being run in Linux. Don't hold your breath though. They dropped their promise to have Delphi generate Java byte code.
I don't buy that. Lets see, they broadcast it in Canada and other places. Knowing that Canadians, and people around the world were just as aware of Littleton as U.S citizens were. BUT.. it's alright to show it to non US citizens. Hmmm, does that mean they think non U.S markets are less sensitive to massacres than U.S citizens. Don't you think the people in Canada and elsewhere were just as apalled about Littleton as U.S citizens are?
If WB was truly trying to be tasteful, they would not have broadcast it anywhere. I have to agree with Katz on this one, they are cowards and hypocrites.
Just some food for thought. Everyone who ports their 3D/2D animation software over to NT/Alpha, prefers it over Intel. Since these programs make heavy use of FP, they love the Alpha platform. Even within the limitations of the NT OS.
The company that makes the cartoon/animation software I use (Animation Stand) can't say enough good things about the Alpha. I hope Compaq continues to improve and support the Alpha chip.
I interviewed for a job at Cabletron back in Feb. I was one of two top candidates. Now I'm glad I lost out.
that was close.
The one here in Boca Raton and Coconut Creek (FL) carries a large selection also.
Even better they have all the
Episode I "the Phantom Annoyance" stuff at 20% off. I stood there and read the comic book, now I don't "have" to make to premier, I already know the ending.
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
The good thing about all this, is we all have a choice.
Personally, I am not anti MS or WinNT. The other good thing is bringing the shortcomings of both OS's to light. The only result(hopefully) is that both sides respond to critisism by making their respective OS's even better. I get the feeling that's what is happening with Linux, not so sure about MS.
Linux, because it is free or low cost can answer critisisms with "okay, we'll fix it". At the moment Linux doesn't have to justify a corporation spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to license their software.
MS would get into deep trouble admiting they needed to fix things, AND charge you lots of money while they're doing it. So, instead of honest and open discussions about WinNT shortcomings, they use FUD to preserve their revenue streams. Remember (if Alex St. John is to be believed) MS is no longer run by Techies, but by "professional" managers trying to increase the value of their stock options.
>>$1000 is one day's work for a development team. if over a project, using NT's superior tools saves 2 days, the choice of NT has paid for itself. (before anyone flames me over "superior tools", please tell me the linux equivalents of MTS, MSMQ and DCOM) >ASP has complete integration with COM and can do anything a COM object can do. This approach is markedly superior to text processing languages. This same advantage is shared by CORBA an EJB tools, which again, linux doesn't have.
Corba is available for linux/python, it's called fnorb and has been around for at least a year. Python is not just a text processing language. Unlike VB and vbscript/jscript it is fully object oriented and can interface with C/C++ libraries if needed. Not just made to fit libs like MS does, but any C/C++ libs.
Corba is multiplatform and at this stage far more robust than COM (I use Delphi and COM). Corba doesn't lock me into Windows specific tools.
BTW, Pearl and Python have "standard" features that VB programmers can't even dream about.
Now about MTS,MSMQ and DCOM.
MTS... very good, but not unique, the Borland/Inprise Midas architecture can use it or CORBA, and can use corba on non MS platforms.
MTS is just a another buzz word from MS thats been done on other platforms. You don't need MTS to create you own transaction management system, though MTS is supposed to make it easier.
DCOM.. what corba used to be. There is also RMI if you use Java, with a much more robust communication process.
MSMQ, don't know what that is, sorry.
COM,DCOM,ActiveX.. all add processor overhead because of the requirement to use virtual methods and unknown types. Makes it easier to implement, but slower in setup and intial execution.
Advice, next time you call a language just a 'Text processing" language, make sure you know what you are talking about.
In case your wondering, I use Delphi and Borland C++ builder on Win. Starting to use Python also.
Some food for thought.
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1.A lot of sites use IIS 3, not 4 because 4 is still very buggy.
2. Just for the sake of argument, lets say NT/IIS4 is better at the upper end. Is it $1,000.00 per server better?
3. Which server has more server side application options? Apache with it's module interface is superior to IIS and ISAPI. For example, rewrite and perl or python are much more powerful than
ASP and jscript/Visual Basic.
4. Don't forget that to actually develop any thing worthwhile on NT/IIS (like database access and ecommerce) you have to puchase additional and sometimes very expensive tools. Tools that are free or low cost for Linux.
Considering all the stuff you have to go through to setup any good website, the real answer is stability and options, not propaganda.
Unless MS allows a truly disinterested third party to oversee and conduct the benchmarks, they don't deserve to have their stats believed, even if they are true.
Just my
Best Line not in the movie Matrix:
When you can snatch the floopy disk from my hand Grasshopper, it will be time for you to leave.
Gigabit ethernet still may not be fast enough for the new HDTV data requirements. Uncompressed HDTV video at 1080i 60fields per second needs at least 1.6 Gb to transfer properly. LANs setup in broadcast and post production studios are looking at ATM/Fibrechannel.
Just my 02
While I don't agree about the terrorist stuff, I do about the fascist stuff. Only it's not the Federal Gov that's the problem, its the county and city goverments that are increasingly fascist. I know a local community close to where I live that won't allow video stores to rent unrated/director cuts of movies. It's too expensive to fight them and they count on that.
The supreme court abrocated the feds responsibilty to uphold constituional freedoms and we've been paying the price ever since.