You know, you're absolutely right. No-one from the Planeshift team wrote the post above, so we're not responsible for it. Planeshift is the name of a game. The game engine is Free but the artwork is not. We'd love to make a game where all the artwork was under some Free license but none of us coders can draw and none of the artists we have ever met are interested in releasing stuff under a Free license. If you would like to russle up some artists who will contribute under a free license we'll gladly accept their work.. but it's been our experience that the vast majority of graphics artists find the concept of free licenses scary and foriegn and simply won't contribute their work under such conditions.
we're no longer in search of testers for the Mac port. The response to our very first email out was overwelming so the last thing we need is more Mac users hounding us for it. The name of the next release is Crystal Blue, which we generally refer to as CB. It will have combat, crafting a vague semblance of an economy. Note that although this release will be playable we're not calling it a "game" - we're still in the tech demo stage. We're still looking for 2d/3d artists, people with pen-and-paper/boardgame GM experience, and C++ coders. Drop by #planeshift on irc.freenode.net if you're interested in contributing.
Wow, way to totally simplify one of the most complex mechanisms on earth. What you're talking about it simulating not only an entire human body but your specific human body. Think about it this way, if I get my hand cut off in freak woodchipping accident and I'm one of the lucky few people in the world who can get a hand transplant operation, it's still gunna take me years of painstaking phisotherapy ever day before I can eat soup - and that's with a human hand. Now maybe, if we hooked you up to the world's most sensitive motion capture system and gave the computer neural control over your body we could train an artifical neural network to learn how your body is controlled and then simulate that body, but we're forgetting something really really important: feedback. It's not a one way street. Every single time you move a finger or wiggle a toe your body is sending signals up to your brain and your brain is sending signals back down to your body. Without that feedback you can't control your body. Just consider how little motor control you have when you are drunk or drugged on tranquilisers.
I know you're a genius, and that us little people should kneel before you, but the concept of jacking into a computer is a lot older than the Matrix and something us geeks have talked about for a very long time. The fact that I use the Matrix to talk about jacking in doesn't make my arguments any less worthy of consideration - just like the fact that Martin Fowler uses Smalltalk to explain XP techniques sometimes doesn't make it any less applicable to Java, C++ or any other object-oriented language (even though to some Smalltalk is more fiction than fact).
Consider the excellent work that has been done into Cochlear implants. Basically an entire section of the brain (that which deals with sound processing) is replaced with a nice little pretrained neural network on a chip. The chip literally simulates the way that piece of the brain works and converts data from a microphone into neural impulses. Now I don't know about you, but I can't sing worth a damn. When I sing in my head it all sounds great but as soon as I open my mouth.. well, dogs sing better than me. What would happen if we were to monitor the signals coming into (from the brain) the sound processing unit as well as simulating the signals going out from it (to the brain). When I sing a song in my head would my sound processing unit be able to pick it up? Could it play it for others to hear, and would it sound any better than what comes out of my mouth?
The Matrix is cool but here's a the rub. Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and all the rest were born in the matrix. They learnt to control their virtual bodies as they grew up. Even if the machines got it into their silicon minds to hook up one of the children of Zion it would take years for him to learn how to control his virtual body, if he ever did. We are children of Zion, and should we ever get enough electrodes implanted into our brains it will also take us years to learn how to control our virtual bodies.
Screw cameras and blue screens, jut plug your brain into the PC and control the character directly. Seriously if this was even remotely possible the very first thing I'd do is make an architecture for broadcasting animations to other players in a MMORPG. First step on the way to the matrix. Of course, this isn't possible and it's larly stupid to even bother thinking about it.
You know you're right? But if we reserve IF for people who can afford a game development team with artists and designers and all that extra expense we'll find far less gems than if we accept textual games as being valuable also. This applies as much to MUDs as it does to single player IF.
For some reason I don't think James Bond would get done by this machine. Good spies actually convince themselves of the lie so much so that they don't even think about it when they're questioned about their cover.
Yeah, or perhaps the Turkish people need to get off their asses and overthrow that insane government of theirs. Let's send them guns to help. Oh wait, that'd be "supporting a terrorist organisation" these days wouldn't it? Sheesh.
I know Highlander II was a terrible film but man, why we gotta drink your hateraid? It broke the rules of a sequel (it didn't tell the original story in a different way) but it was fun and at least watchable. At least when they introduced new concepts they tried to explain them and didn't deliberately try to misinform viewers about real world issues. If you wanna talk about a movie that really sucked, have a look at Replicant. Now that was a piece of shit film. Fans of the film actually considered it the best acting Jean-Claude Van Damme has ever done, which kinda reminds you of people who talk about Windows XP being the most stable operating system that Microsoft has ever produced. It may be true, but it's not saying much.
I think - someone correct me if I've remembered wrong
Yeah, cause God forbid that you do a mediocure amount of research before you post a "I know better than everyone" comment to a public forum. Did you ever consider that maybe they didn't mention it because they've done more research than you (i.e., any) and discovered that your point of view is not supported by the facts?
and, pray tell, what makes you think Moore's law can possibly be applied to the price, size, capabilities of these machines? I've been waiting 10 years for the cost of laser eye surgery to go down. I know the price of the machines has gone down (due to competition in the market) but the price of the procedure has still not gone down. The assumption that items will always reduce in cost is a fiction. In fact, it's precisely Moore's law that makes silicon chips so special.
alternatively, if we all keep bragging about how cool we are at hacking things then software patent advocates will have more reasons to justify these new laws, and perhaps they'll introduce even worse laws.. just like they did with the DMCA.
So basically you didn't read the article. He gets more developers because it is written in Haskell than he would otherwise because it's one of the few real applications that are written in Haskell - which means if you're someone who just learnt Haskell for the hell of it you've got somewhere to apply those skills.
For some reason I think a 190MWt nuclear submarine engine would be more than adequate for heating plasma. There simply isn't a big enough dedication to making space colonisation happen. It's such a shame that we need militarisation to see innovation in technology.
I'm glad that's your idea of cheap. Ya know, I really hope that it cost that much because of all the sensors because an ion propulsion engine really isn't that complicated. You could build one in your garage for a few 1000's of dollars.
Although it's called an "ion engine", it's really just the first step in the progression of plasma propulsion. Next up we have the VASIMR which they've been talking about testing on the space station. It can produce slow thrust like an ion engine, or it can produce hard thrust like a chemical rocket. You can power it with solar panels, or you can power it with a nuclear reactor. Eventually, almost the exact same design will be used in fusion rockets, and possibly even antimatter rockets. Then we're in Startrek country with plasma power distribution and ships which you can actually live and work on.
No it isn't. See that big thing in the sky that is providing energy to all the plants we eat, that's the sun and even a 3 year old knows that means the earth isn't a closed system. Did you even think before you posted that topic?
Ummm.. how do you figure that mechanical engineers know how to code? I mean, yeah, maybe they know how to whip up a perl script or they can write some embedded C, but CAD software is not small - it's a complicated and ambitious project to make even simple CAD software.
Oh no. I wonder if Gilmore v. Ashcroft's replacement will have the same ring to it? BTW, ever since they put the legal page in chronological order there hasn't been any updates.. nothing has happened for over a month? The last thing on there was petitioning the court not to seal the court records. If they sealed em would the web page even be able to tell us they did? What's going on?!
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You know, you're absolutely right. No-one from the Planeshift team wrote the post above, so we're not responsible for it. Planeshift is the name of a game. The game engine is Free but the artwork is not. We'd love to make a game where all the artwork was under some Free license but none of us coders can draw and none of the artists we have ever met are interested in releasing stuff under a Free license. If you would like to russle up some artists who will contribute under a free license we'll gladly accept their work.. but it's been our experience that the vast majority of graphics artists find the concept of free licenses scary and foriegn and simply won't contribute their work under such conditions.
we're no longer in search of testers for the Mac port. The response to our very first email out was overwelming so the last thing we need is more Mac users hounding us for it. The name of the next release is Crystal Blue, which we generally refer to as CB. It will have combat, crafting a vague semblance of an economy. Note that although this release will be playable we're not calling it a "game" - we're still in the tech demo stage. We're still looking for 2d/3d artists, people with pen-and-paper/boardgame GM experience, and C++ coders. Drop by #planeshift on irc.freenode.net if you're interested in contributing.
Wow, way to totally simplify one of the most complex mechanisms on earth. What you're talking about it simulating not only an entire human body but your specific human body. Think about it this way, if I get my hand cut off in freak woodchipping accident and I'm one of the lucky few people in the world who can get a hand transplant operation, it's still gunna take me years of painstaking phisotherapy ever day before I can eat soup - and that's with a human hand. Now maybe, if we hooked you up to the world's most sensitive motion capture system and gave the computer neural control over your body we could train an artifical neural network to learn how your body is controlled and then simulate that body, but we're forgetting something really really important: feedback. It's not a one way street. Every single time you move a finger or wiggle a toe your body is sending signals up to your brain and your brain is sending signals back down to your body. Without that feedback you can't control your body. Just consider how little motor control you have when you are drunk or drugged on tranquilisers.
I know you're a genius, and that us little people should kneel before you, but the concept of jacking into a computer is a lot older than the Matrix and something us geeks have talked about for a very long time. The fact that I use the Matrix to talk about jacking in doesn't make my arguments any less worthy of consideration - just like the fact that Martin Fowler uses Smalltalk to explain XP techniques sometimes doesn't make it any less applicable to Java, C++ or any other object-oriented language (even though to some Smalltalk is more fiction than fact).
Consider the excellent work that has been done into Cochlear implants. Basically an entire section of the brain (that which deals with sound processing) is replaced with a nice little pretrained neural network on a chip. The chip literally simulates the way that piece of the brain works and converts data from a microphone into neural impulses. Now I don't know about you, but I can't sing worth a damn. When I sing in my head it all sounds great but as soon as I open my mouth.. well, dogs sing better than me. What would happen if we were to monitor the signals coming into (from the brain) the sound processing unit as well as simulating the signals going out from it (to the brain). When I sing a song in my head would my sound processing unit be able to pick it up? Could it play it for others to hear, and would it sound any better than what comes out of my mouth?
The Matrix is cool but here's a the rub. Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and all the rest were born in the matrix. They learnt to control their virtual bodies as they grew up. Even if the machines got it into their silicon minds to hook up one of the children of Zion it would take years for him to learn how to control his virtual body, if he ever did. We are children of Zion, and should we ever get enough electrodes implanted into our brains it will also take us years to learn how to control our virtual bodies.
Screw cameras and blue screens, jut plug your brain into the PC and control the character directly. Seriously if this was even remotely possible the very first thing I'd do is make an architecture for broadcasting animations to other players in a MMORPG. First step on the way to the matrix. Of course, this isn't possible and it's larly stupid to even bother thinking about it.
You know you're right? But if we reserve IF for people who can afford a game development team with artists and designers and all that extra expense we'll find far less gems than if we accept textual games as being valuable also. This applies as much to MUDs as it does to single player IF.
For some reason I don't think James Bond would get done by this machine. Good spies actually convince themselves of the lie so much so that they don't even think about it when they're questioned about their cover.
it's not free, the cost is your immortal soul.
Yeah, or perhaps the Turkish people need to get off their asses and overthrow that insane government of theirs. Let's send them guns to help. Oh wait, that'd be "supporting a terrorist organisation" these days wouldn't it? Sheesh.
I know Highlander II was a terrible film but man, why we gotta drink your hateraid? It broke the rules of a sequel (it didn't tell the original story in a different way) but it was fun and at least watchable. At least when they introduced new concepts they tried to explain them and didn't deliberately try to misinform viewers about real world issues. If you wanna talk about a movie that really sucked, have a look at Replicant. Now that was a piece of shit film. Fans of the film actually considered it the best acting Jean-Claude Van Damme has ever done, which kinda reminds you of people who talk about Windows XP being the most stable operating system that Microsoft has ever produced. It may be true, but it's not saying much.
Yeah, cause God forbid that you do a mediocure amount of research before you post a "I know better than everyone" comment to a public forum. Did you ever consider that maybe they didn't mention it because they've done more research than you (i.e., any) and discovered that your point of view is not supported by the facts?
No offense, but you don't get it because you have no concept of history and/or you're an idiot.
and, pray tell, what makes you think Moore's law can possibly be applied to the price, size, capabilities of these machines? I've been waiting 10 years for the cost of laser eye surgery to go down. I know the price of the machines has gone down (due to competition in the market) but the price of the procedure has still not gone down. The assumption that items will always reduce in cost is a fiction. In fact, it's precisely Moore's law that makes silicon chips so special.
alternatively, if we all keep bragging about how cool we are at hacking things then software patent advocates will have more reasons to justify these new laws, and perhaps they'll introduce even worse laws.. just like they did with the DMCA.
So basically you didn't read the article. He gets more developers because it is written in Haskell than he would otherwise because it's one of the few real applications that are written in Haskell - which means if you're someone who just learnt Haskell for the hell of it you've got somewhere to apply those skills.
Ummm.. 6.8 tonnes of cable.
For some reason I think a 190MWt nuclear submarine engine would be more than adequate for heating plasma. There simply isn't a big enough dedication to making space colonisation happen. It's such a shame that we need militarisation to see innovation in technology.
I'm glad that's your idea of cheap. Ya know, I really hope that it cost that much because of all the sensors because an ion propulsion engine really isn't that complicated. You could build one in your garage for a few 1000's of dollars.
Although it's called an "ion engine", it's really just the first step in the progression of plasma propulsion. Next up we have the VASIMR which they've been talking about testing on the space station. It can produce slow thrust like an ion engine, or it can produce hard thrust like a chemical rocket. You can power it with solar panels, or you can power it with a nuclear reactor. Eventually, almost the exact same design will be used in fusion rockets, and possibly even antimatter rockets. Then we're in Startrek country with plasma power distribution and ships which you can actually live and work on.
In any case you shouldn't claim that a product made off pirate roms is a legitimate Nintendo product.
No it isn't. See that big thing in the sky that is providing energy to all the plants we eat, that's the sun and even a 3 year old knows that means the earth isn't a closed system. Did you even think before you posted that topic?
Ummm.. how do you figure that mechanical engineers know how to code? I mean, yeah, maybe they know how to whip up a perl script or they can write some embedded C, but CAD software is not small - it's a complicated and ambitious project to make even simple CAD software.
Oh no. I wonder if Gilmore v. Ashcroft's replacement will have the same ring to it? BTW, ever since they put the legal page in chronological order there hasn't been any updates.. nothing has happened for over a month? The last thing on there was petitioning the court not to seal the court records. If they sealed em would the web page even be able to tell us they did? What's going on?!