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That's Using Your Head

broKenfoLd writes "In an earlier post, we looked at the future of Matrix-esque control over computers. In that article, monkeys got to play the games. Today at UW in Madison, WI, it's the humans who are playing video games just by thinking about it. While this is cool for us power gamers, it has many more impressive applications, including limb replacement."

303 comments

  1. Significant Development? by fembots · · Score: 3, Informative

    At first I thought it was a dupe from this, but the article did mention - "Last month, researchers at Brown University reported on the technology's success in a 25-year-old quadriplegic from Massachusetts who was able to read e-mail, play video games, turn on lights, and change channels or adjust the volume on a TV."

    The final comment was "This is a significant development", but in what way?

    1. Re:Significant Development? by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 2, Funny

      The final comment was "This is a significant development", but in what way?

      Ender will soon be here!

    2. Re:Significant Development? by wwahammy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How isn't that a significant development? A quadraplegic goes from being completely dependent on others to being able to accomplish things on his own and in addition some things he could only dream of (video games). That's pretty life changing I think.

    3. Re:Significant Development? by raehl · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think he meant, how is the UW development (ooo, they can move the bar in pong!) significant comopared to the Brown development (He can read email!)

      I think the key difference is that the Brown electrodes were places IN the brain, while the UW electrodes were placed ON the brain, so it was less invasive.

    4. Re:Significant Development? by Futaba-chan · · Score: 1

      Does he have to think think think in Russian Russian Russian?

  2. I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Funny
    I really don't mean to be a hypocrite guys, I mean, "being hooked up to the machine" can be bad, and with todays world [tinfoilhat] they'd be marketing to your brain when you played online games[/tinfoilhat].

    But the gamer side of me is telling me "where the hell do I sign up, I'm grabbing my car keys as I type this."

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    1. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 5, Funny

      Come on, you can grab some chick's bare breast with your mechanic arm and blame your firmware. Can you imagine punching the police officer who pulled you over for speeding, and say it has a mind of it's own. Sky's the limit!!!

    2. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Informative
      This technology is not what people often think it is. There is no way it could be used for mind-reading or thought control in the forseeable future. We would have to understand the brain a LOT better than we do to even begin to think about these things, plus we would need interface technology a million times better than a few electrodes.

      Basically how this works is the brain adapts to the implanted electrodes, learning how to activate neurons in the right way such that a computer can detect the changes in electrical potential at the electrodes. The computer can't interpret the signals at all; it just reads potentials from the electrodes. What makes this interesting is that the brain is quite adaptable, and if the signals are used to control the inputs to a device the brain can learn to use the device much like an extra limb.

      It remains to be seen just how fine and complex the control can be and how much adaptation the brain can do; but I think the medical community has been way too conservative about this so far, and I am optimistic that once we learn the right places to put the electrodes and the right way to process the brain's signals, controlling mice/keyboards/game controllers/robot limbs will be a matter of a few implants and a year or two of training. The benefit to quadriplegics will be immesurable. For the rest of us, this technology is probably not very useful. Getting the implants and doing the training will be quite an ordeal, not something you'd do to get an edge in Counter-Strike (if it even would give you an edge at all).

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    3. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Can you imagine punching the police officer who pulled you over for speeding, and say it has a mind of it's own. Sky's the limit!!!

      Then he'll proceed to beat you half to death with his truncheon, and say his firmw .. no wait, he'll just beat you half to death anyway.

    4. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by kesler · · Score: 0

      The court will order your logs to be read. Then they will accidently control-alt-delete you!

    5. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Otter · · Score: 1
      ...and with todays world [tinfoilhat] they'd be marketing to your brain when you played online games[/tinfoilhat].

      I've got even worse news for you -- your tinfoil hat won't keep you safe once Major League Baseball can directly access your brain!

    6. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by pseudochaotic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless your eyes and ears operate independently from the rest of your head, they already market to your brain.

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    7. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by lsdino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're absolutely correct about everything except for not being beneficial for normal folks.

      Obviously using this for counter strike isn't going to be a great use of the technology. But what if the technology allowed you to type at 300 wpm ? That would be a productivity reason to use the technology, and if a business had an employee who could do that they'd be more profitable.

      You could also imagine military applications. They could have a display that is mentally controlled - or it could even be used for weapons, just like a video game. And if the technology can be taken to the point where your brain is also reading data you could get rid of the display as well.

      And finally I'm sure the porn industry will find some way to apply it - but probably the technology that doesn't require brain surgery :).

      Between porn, business, and the military you touch a large portion of western society. And if there are enough reasons to justify the use of the technology and it's shown to be safe over the long term you could start to see it's profileration. That would lead to even more uses, and it'll probably grow just as the use of computers themselves have.

      Personally I think it'd be fun to play around with the SDK kit - let alone actually using it for something practical.

    8. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I grabbed a girl and blamed my "firmware"...she called me a sexist pig.

    9. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Reignking · · Score: 4, Funny

      I already blame my "firmware"...

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    10. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by G-funk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spoken like someone who's never grabbed a breast.

      What's the point if you're using a mechanical hand?

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    11. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Jarvo · · Score: 1

      When I was at uni. (5 years ago) any biomedical projects that involved on-skin (or more intrusive) sensors could only be powered by a battery. The signals were then sent to a/the computer via an optically isolated link.

      The faculty wanted absolutely no chance that operators or experimental subjects could be exposed to mains voltages. Especially when students were the ones building the devices! :)

    12. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Spoken like someone who's never grabbed a breast.
      You must be new here.
    13. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think the social stigma surrounding cyborgs and brain implants, plus the cost and risk of the brain implant surgery, plus the cost of the training, plus the fact that you will have a permanent metal plug in your head (probably with a constant risk of infection), plus the years of training it will probably take to actually perform better than using your hands (if that is even possible, there's no guarantee), will make people reluctant to just go out and do this.

      If it didn't require brain surgery and only took a few months to learn, though, I could definitely see it taking off. Also, if it turns out that people can enhance their performance at certain tasks by extreme amounts (which I am not at all convinced of), it could become somewhat common in those fields.

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    14. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mind of it's own

      "its".

    15. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by khrtt · · Score: 1

      ..they'd be marketing to your brain when you played online games..

      They are doing this even now ... just using your eyes and ears to get to your brain:) - you just stopped noticing. What makes you think the ads sent directly to your brain down the electrodes would be any more annoying?

    16. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by khrtt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can also imagine that police officer shooting you, and saying that it has a mind of its own... In other words, anyway you twist it, you lose. Such is technology...

    17. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by davisk · · Score: 1

      What's the point if you're using a mechanical hand?

      her enjoyment?

    18. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Well, if they're using impulses in the motor nerves to direct motion, couldn't they induce impulses in the sensory nerves to generate sensation? Maybe the next generation prosthetic limbs will have tactile feedback.

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    19. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Social stigmas can change. Not in a few weeks, probably not even in a few years, but I guess one or at most two generations are enough. And if having those implants and being able to use them well is a major advantage somehow (as, you are more likely to get a better payed job), the acceptance will grow. Not to mention underground culture which surely will find their own use.

      Indeed, I guess at some time in the future we will have the opposite problem: People may have to fight for their right not to have those brain implants. Not because some evil government dictates you to have it, but because it's more or less standard and expected, much like a bank account today (try to convince your boss that you want your money payed right into your hand to understand what I mean).

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    20. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1

      Because anyone who would randomly grab a breast is not in it for enjoyment. He's in it for the sheer degredation of the other person involved.

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    21. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about...The pleasure of seeing someone getting sqeeeeezed,..:-)

    22. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1
      I think the social stigma surrounding cyborgs and brain implants... will make people reluctant to just go out and do this.

      What social stigma?

    23. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      People keep talking about it being for gamers. Fsck that - imagine its real life applications. If you lived in a bluetoothed environment and had it wired to a bluetooth controller, it'd be like being telekinetic! Fuck the clapper, "think on, think off" your house lights, your garage door, your stereo. Never reach for the remote again. Add a crypto key to your external storage and use it for keyless entry. Then, if it catches on, imagine people to bluetooth-enable other things - like the elevator at the office building. Combine this with some sort of HUD implant into your cornea, and we've got the invisible cybernetic PDA.

      Its like friggin' Cyberthalamus Lite.

    24. Re:I don't mean to be a hypocrite... by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      This widget is for input - not display. Its a one way street. Of course, that's also a weakness. Need some sort of HUD implanted into your cornea to make it a complete platform.

  3. Serious Gaming by pseinstein · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When this is refined it can change the way games are played in general. No longer will games be about who has the best hand-eye coordination. Rather they will be about who can think the smartest and fastest. We may end up calling any form of gaming that requires movement or manipulation of physical controls old-school.

    1. Re:Serious Gaming by EEBaum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then someday they will develop such a game that is wearable and highly addictive. Soon it will incapacitate the entire crew of the Enterprise, making it free for the taking by the clever game-developer aliens!

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    2. Re:Serious Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mods are being overly generous to this guy. Look, not every single damn game on the market today favors hand-eye coordination over speed of thought. Reaction speed isn't all that useful in strategy games. The Sims comes immediately to mind. Games in which you go around blasting bad guys with your shotgun or rocket launcher or sports games, not surprisingly, place a larger emphasis on hand-eye coordination, as they well should.

      We may end up calling any form of gaming that requires movement or manipulation of physical controls old-school.

      Sweet christ. I pray we never get to the point where you can become an ace quarterback because you think faster than most people. Do we really need to take the physical aspect out of sports videogames even more than we have?

    3. Re:Serious Gaming by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      No longer will games be about who has the best hand-eye coordination. Rather they will be about who can think the smartest and fastest.
      Hand-eye coordination is about think fast.
    4. Re:Serious Gaming by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      Hand-eye coordination is about think fast.

      First, you missed a syllable. I could probably make some joke about your thinking ability, but I won't.

      Second, hand-eye reaction time (reacting right when the guy runs in front of you), hand-eye coordination(actually aiming in the right place to hit the guy), and fast thinking (hey! i should shoot that guy now) are three interconnected, but different skills.

    5. Re:Serious Gaming by Mikmorg · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Whats the point of those silly sports games anyway? I mean, not that I'm especially a fan of sports in gen, but why not go out and physically do something?
      The reason I play video games is to be able to use my mind, exercise it, and have fun at the same time. Same thing you do with sports for your body, etc, but where does a sports videogame rate? What does that do? Sheesh. Tetris over Madden any day for me.

      Sorry for the rant, I'm feeling moody.

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    6. Re:Serious Gaming by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It'd be pretty interesting. As most gamer's are probably familiar, when you're doing really good at a game, you sorta enter a "zone," where the game just sorta plays itself (no Star Trek reference intended). Things just start happening a bit faster than you can consciously handle, but you still pull it off. When you've either won or lost, it can be hard to remember exactly what happened along the way. This kind of game control would really push that to its limit.

    7. Re:Serious Gaming by whovian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      when you're doing really good at a game, you sorta enter a "zone," where the game just sorta plays itself (no Star Trek reference intended). Things just start happening a bit faster than you can consciously handle, but you still pull it off. When you've either won or lost, it can be hard to remember exactly what happened along the way. /rings buzzer

      What is "instinct", Alex?

      I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I have been there and it's fun, yet kind of scary when you actually cognate about it afterwards.

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    8. Re:Serious Gaming by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      First, you missed a syllable. I could probably make some joke about your thinking ability, but I won't.
      Good thing, or I might be forced to make fun of your punctuation.
      Second, hand-eye reaction time (reacting right when the guy runs in front of you), hand-eye coordination(actually aiming in the right place to hit the guy), and fast thinking (hey! i should shoot that guy now) are three interconnected, but different skills.
      Not in the context of this story. The poster I replied to seemed believe that the advantage that good players have is physical - it's not, it's mental, and there is no reason to expect that advantage to disappear when using this brain-machine interface. The speed of brain activity that currently manifests as good hand-eye coordination and fast reactions will probably manifest as faster control via this interface.
    9. Re:Serious Gaming by numbware · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our wearable, highly addictive game units. Yah... I just had to.

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    10. Re:Serious Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for that pesky smart-kid, and his hot female friend! It was great at the end when the senior officers held her down and made her... do it.

    11. Re:Serious Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it would offer me the opportunity to make out with Ashley Judd, I'd be game. /d97

    12. Re:Serious Gaming by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Boy 1: "You mean you have to use your hands?!"
      Boy 2: "That's like a baby's toy!"
      Marty: "A baby's toy?"

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    13. Re:Serious Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Good thing, or I might be forced to make fun of your punctuation.

      There was nothing wrong with his punctuation.

    14. Re:Serious Gaming by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and pretty soon you'll find yourself in the arcade as a veteran gamer, complaining about the good ol' days, as some teen kid stands there staring at the machine with the weird joystick, going, "What do you mean, you have to use your hands in this game!?"

      Damn kids these days.

    15. Re:Serious Gaming by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      How lame. Now I'm one of the redundant Slashdot masses all trying to be the first one to get this cool movie/tv-series/book reference in. Obviously, I failed. The dishonour, I must commit harakiri.

    16. Re:Serious Gaming by dos_dude · · Score: 0
      Rather they will be about who can think the smartest and fastest.

      I don't mean to spoil all the fun that you guys and those researchers are having, but what is really happening isn't that closely linked to thinking.

      Each hemispehere of the brain features a motor cortex. If you move your hand or your foot, if you raise your eyebrows or wrinkle your nose, the motor cortex will become active. If something bad happens to you and the nerves connecting your, e.g., right hand, to your motor cortex are cut, the motor cortex will keep on going and firing, but, of course, your hand will no longer move.

      In essence, this is more like imagining the movement. Not thinking.

      But since it's really exhausting to imagine a movement while not moving, those gaming applications you all dream about will feature a gamer that is actually carrying out those movements. And since he is really performing them, it will always be easier and cheaper to measure them at the hand (using a new cool technology called "mouse") than to measure the brain waves and transform those to commands.

    17. Re:Serious Gaming by caudron · · Score: 1

      Soon it will incapacitate the entire crew of the Enterprise

      Dude! ixnay on the anplay! Wesley might be listening in and he'll ruin our great idea and save damn day...again.

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    18. Re:Serious Gaming by ccarson · · Score: 1

      Didn't Data save the day after Wesley was subdued? I think he used a strobe light to fix everyone. lol

    19. Re:Serious Gaming by Stepping+Razor · · Score: 1

      The poster I replied to seemed believe that the advantage that good players have is physical - it's not, it's mental, and there is no reason to expect that advantage to disappear when using this brain-machine interface.

      The physical does come into it though, for someone with poor co-ordination due to cerebal palsy or parkinsons. A direct brain interface would level the playing field in that respect.

  4. No! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    This can't be allowed to reach the mainstream. I like using a mouse and keyboard for my FPS games. You see, when I get tagged 27 times by the same guy, have negative experience and my only kills are to my teammates, I like to have something to blame. I have gotten quite good at it.

    For example: Spilled Dew on my keyboard. Darn kid dropped my mouse and there is the rollers don't quite work right. Or my favorite: holographic mouse pad wreaks havoc on my optical mouse.

    Don't get me wrong... I can come up with lots of excuses. But yelling about lag only works for so long. Bad monitor? Maybe... but not as good as a story about Mountain Dew.

    Heed my warning. Just say 'no' to gadgets implanted into your brain.

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    1. Re:No! by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like to have something to blame

      Don't underestimate human creativity. There will always be something you can blame:

      • ... the beer you just drank
      • ... you're getting old
      • ... you haven't had enough sex
      • ... you've had too much sex
      • ... the wireless connection is too slow
      • ... etc., etc.

      When machines can come up with the same creative excuses, that's when we should worry.

      Eric
    2. Re:No! by metlin · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That's okay! You can come up with better excuses -

      "I got more stupid"

      "I'm getting older"

      "I was distracted by a pr0n popup"

      "My wife was making love to me"

      "My dog was making out on the carpet"

      "The voices in the head made me do it!"

      "This is what I do when I'm horny" ...and so on.

    3. Re:No! by Saeger · · Score: 1
      Why do you feel the need to blameshift? Accept some personal responsibility and just admit that you suck. It's only a game.

      The kids have even invented some slang for this purpose: When you screw up, you say, "my bad", instead of trying to blame it your non-Nike shoes or whatever. :) If you can say "my bad", you get my R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

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    4. Re:No! by Lord+Apolon · · Score: 1

      "... you're getting old" Isn't he making excuses for the express purpose of denying THAT one? Blaming that defeats the whole point. :P

    5. Re:No! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1
      When machines can come up with the same creative excuses, that's when we should worry.

      Well, they already can. Didn't you ever come up with "file not found" in a situation where you are completely sure that the computer didn't actually search for it, but just looked at the one place you told it? :-)
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  5. Sorry for Double Post by pseinstein · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hate double posting but it just occured to me that I need to make an obligatory reference to the ramifacations of these developments in terms of malicious applications. Think about a computer with a virus and then attaching that directly to your brain. Scary.

    1. Re:Sorry for Double Post by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Think about a computer with a virus and then attaching that directly to your brain. Scary."

      Uh, why? It's not like a malicious app has caused my mouse to turn on me.

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    2. Re:Sorry for Double Post by SenatorOrrinHatch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Scary if YOU design it, that is!

      Sheesh, I bet you're the guy who built those desktops without power buttons for a few years, relying on windows new ability to shut down the machine automatically instead. Will mankind never learn?

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    3. Re:Sorry for Double Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because viruses can make your mouse blow up.

    4. Re:Sorry for Double Post by f4llenang3l · · Score: 5, Funny

      those desktops without power buttons

      Are you talking about current Macs? *evil grin*

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    5. Re:Sorry for Double Post by moojj · · Score: 1

      I don't think the application of this technique could be used for malicious attacks on your brain. From the sounds of things the sensors merely pick up signals from the subjects brain, not the opposite way around.

    6. Re:Sorry for Double Post by Laebshade · · Score: 0

      Run it in userland or just not as su.

    7. Re:Sorry for Double Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Firmware: Pseinstein you must kill everybody!
      Pseinstein: Are you my conscious?
      Firmware: Uhhh .. yes
      Pseinstein: Should I start with myself
      Firmware: Uhhh ... no Pseinstein, it's probably better to kill yourself last

    8. Re:Sorry for Double Post by meganthom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Neil Stephenson has. It's called Snow Crash.

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    9. Re:Sorry for Double Post by name773 · · Score: 1

      ok, but what if the hardware fails: e.g. a voltage surge breaks something relating to the neurologic interface. these things are too risky for my tastes

    10. Re:Sorry for Double Post by moojj · · Score: 1

      Definitely a valid point. But then you have to wonder how much voltage would actually be going to the device?

    11. Re:Sorry for Double Post by name773 · · Score: 1

      probably none, just a device to read the output from the electrodes. but the issue is that semiconductors typically conduct when they fail, and there is a very slight possibility that tremendous system damage could put voltage into the electrodes instead of just reading what comes off of them. i'm sure that proper precautions would be taken and everything, the idea is still kind of creepy to me.

    12. Re:Sorry for Double Post by JumperCable · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about:
      -pop-up ads directly into the brain (I know, different technology)?
      -A real Ping of Death
      -McAfee Firewall for the brain

    13. Re:Sorry for Double Post by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      Uh, why? It's not like a malicious app has caused my mouse to turn on me.

      Not yet.

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    14. Re:Sorry for Double Post by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Not yet."

      Well maybe I answered a little too hastily. My mouse did try to take out my cat once. I have a little velcro tie on it so I can neatly coil it up for trips in the laptop bag. One day, my kitten thought a fuzzy velcro strip was too much of a temptation to resist. He hopped several times, taking a swipe each time. Success! He grabbed it and pulled the cable. The mouse slid over the edge of the desk. In the moment it lost contact with the desk, the red light suddenly flared up, causing the "deer in the headlights" effect in my poor kitten before *WHAP*, he saw stars.

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    15. Re:Sorry for Double Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'Nelson' virus of mechanical arms:

      Nelson: Stop hitting yourself: take 1. Stop hitting yourself!
      Milhouse: Ooow!
      Nelson: Stop hitting yourself!
      Milhouse: Ow!
      Nelson: Stop hitting yourself!
      Milhouse: Ooow!

    16. Re:Sorry for Double Post by It's+People! · · Score: 1

      Uh, all current Macs have power buttons, which can be held for about 5 seconds to force a shutdown. Or are you talking about Macs from 2000? (Those ones were software-controlled.)

    17. Re:Sorry for Double Post by iwan-nl · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should include one of these then...

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    18. Re:Sorry for Double Post by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1

      A computer's attention span is only as long as its power cord.

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    19. Re:Sorry for Double Post by cjameshuff · · Score: 1

      A real world (out of the lab) device would probably have no electrical connection with the outside world. Power and communication could be done optically or by induction loops...no break in the skin to get infected or to conduct electrical current into the brain, more like a headband with bright LED's and phototransistors. The internal circuitry could be low voltage, extremely reliable, and carefully isolated to prevent power supply voltage from being applied across electrodes.

    20. Re:Sorry for Double Post by geekboy642 · · Score: 0

      I think you'd be talking system damage on the order of a direct lightning strike.

      You've got other problems if that happens, bud.

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  6. Once they develop force feedback... by EEBaum · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... my head asplode.

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  7. Another story about this by koreaman · · Score: 1

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/1 3/2127206&tid=191&tid=14
    some dude can open email, watch TV, and play pong with his brain.

    1. Re:Another story about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can almost do the same thing - I can open email, watch TV, and I can play ping pong. I prefer using a ping pong ball rather than my brain though.

  8. yeah... 'replacement' by BortQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Screw limb replacement. I want limb addition!

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    1. Re:yeah... 'replacement' by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      Are you nuts? Didn't you see Spiderman 2? You'll go crazy and try to kill people!

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    2. Re:yeah... 'replacement' by Brewdles · · Score: 1

      Sure thing, Zaphod.

    3. Re:yeah... 'replacement' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, we know--this is slashdot; we all wanna be able to type with *both* hands while surfing the 'net. Someday soon, my friend.

    4. Re:yeah... 'replacement' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know what you're thinking... ...it's called Viagra.

  9. Telepathy by lux55 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they were able to figure out a sufficient amount of what a person's brain activity meant (which is exactly what they seem to be trying to do), and if they could hook that up to some sort of wireless transmitter (should be a piece of cake), it could be used for basic telepathic capabilities. Imagine hooking it up to an FM transmitter, even with just a 6' range - you could come through the radio of the car next to you. Dirty.

    Seriously though, an implant that could do this would make telepathy somewhat of a reality. How cool is that?

    1. Re:Telepathy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Telepathy by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Which rock have you been hiding under.
      Thats EXACTLY what RFID is really for ;)

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    3. Re:Telepathy by Thing+1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Seriously though, an implant that could do this would make telepathy somewhat of a reality. How cool is that?

      Very. Let me entertain you for a moment (and this is somewhat OT but not too far juice).

      Telepathy is possible. I read two (unrelated) articles about 4 years ago that proved it to me. The first said the human brain works not only on mechanical, chemical, biological, and electrical principles, but also on quantum principles, so if we're going to fully understand the human brain, we need to understand quantum mechanics.

      The second article (about 3 weeks later) talked about researchers isolating one quantum effect in the lab: entanglement. The article talked about them "entangling" two electrons through some process, and then when separated up to 10 km (they hadn't tested greater distances so it doesn't necessarily stop at 10 km), they could change the spin on one electron and the other would immediately change its spin as well.

      It was determined that this happened instantly, i.e., faster than the speed of light. This is communication at a distance. (The FTL part is really just icing...)

      These two articles proved to me that telepathy is not only possible, but with us. It's likely very recent on the evolutionary timescale, since we don't have complete control over it.

      Then I started thinking anecdotally: I have heard many times of a mother knowing when a child is in danger. However, I have never heard about a father who knew. This makes sense given the above: the mother and child had 9 months of intimate contact during which they could have exchanged entangled atoms.

      Then I thought further: twins tend to be even more uncannily linked than any mother and child. This makes sense too, since they spend 9 months right next to each other, whereas the child's and mother's brains are separated by 2-3 feet.

      The part I love about this is that there are many, many more quantum effects that we haven't experimented with yet. Our bodies likely already have: life tends to take advantage of any phenomena available that can help it survive and prosper.

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    4. Re:Telepathy by bitingduck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously though, an implant that could do this would make telepathy somewhat of a reality. How cool is that?

      Yeah, until your neighbor's cordless phone starts sending strange thoughts into your head.

    5. Re:Telepathy by beeplet · · Score: 1

      I'm skeptical... First of all, as far as I know, the quantum entanglement of particles only allows you to measure the state of one, and instantly know the state of the other - this is rather different than changing the state of one, and observing a change of state in the other. Also, even though you can instantly know the state of a particle at an arbitrary distance, it isn't clear that "information" is in any sense travelling faster than the speed of light. After all, the only way you can know that you have learned something about the second particle is to compare measurements, and you can only compare your measurements transmitting data from both points to a single place - a transmission which is slower than the speed of light.

      A more important point might be that there is a very very large number of primary particles in the human body. Supposing two electrons in two people were enangled, what are the chances that they would both be in the same kind of molecule, in the same place in the body? You could argue that maybe that is not a prerequisite, but I have a hard time imagining how the idea would work otherwise.

      I do think that quantum effects might be very important when it comes to understanding how the brain works, I just don't believe this particular theory. I think ESP experiences are much more easily explained by intuition and probabilities. For example, I almost always know who's calling when the phone rings, but that doesn't mean I'm telepathic. It just means that I know who is likely to call at what hour of the day. Mothers/daughters and twins are going to have a very intimate knowledge of one another, so it doesn't surprise me that they are even more sensitive - maybe even subconciously - to very small clues that they get from the other person.

    6. Re:Telepathy by Ieshan · · Score: 1

      Whoever modded this as "interesting" and not "fiction" needs to be shot.

      The reason you hear about mothers sensing their children are in danger and saving them and think that somehow there's a correlation has nothing to do with science, it has to do with failure to account for base rates.

      Draw a small 2x2 table. Label the columns as follows: "Saves Life" and "Doesn't Save Life / Nothing Wrong". Label the rows: "Mother senses child's life is in danger" "Mother Doesn't Sense Child's life is in danger".

      Fill in the table with number of times you've heard about each event.

      Want to know where there's a big fat 0? All over the table, except for "Mother Senses Child's in Danger and it is" and "Saves It". You've never heard about the other stuff because it's not interesting news. What kind of news would that be? "Sally senses Baby John is in danger, turns out to be nothing". Or maybe, "Sally very correct her baby is not in danger".

      Not accounting for the rest of the table means you've got no way to compare if the thing you're claiming actually occurs more frequently than any other event in the population, like, as you mentioned, the father. Since you have no actual comparisons to draw with the data, it's just, as you say, "anecdote".

      It's nothing more than a figment of the people who pick the news.

      Second, and I have no idea if I've been trolled, if you've read two articles on a subject expressing the same point of view and you're convinced, that's downright silly. =)

    7. Re:Telepathy by corbettw · · Score: 1

      The first said the human brain works not only on mechanical, chemical, biological, and electrical principles, but also on quantum principles....

      Wow, so something that exists in the physical universe is effected by laws of nature which effect everything else in that universe? Groovy, man.

      Seriously, "quantum principles" aren't magic, they're how the basic building blocks of matter work. At least that's my layman's understanding of them, at any rate.

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    8. Re:Telepathy by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      yeah, but not everything relies on them. When I turn on an light, it's going to light regardless of what direction the electrons are spinning. What he's saying is that the brain actually USES these quantum principals, ie, if an electron is spinning this way, release this chemical, or send this impulse. Otherwise, do something else. It could, on the other hand, completely disregard these things.

    9. Re:Telepathy by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is all well and good, until you realize there's no evidence for such an assertion. As an apprentice neuropharmacologist, and an amateur cognitive scientist, I don't know of anything the brain does that can't be explained by basic chemical principles like the law of mass action. And while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, occams razor dictates that we should choose the theory with the fewest assumptions when all else is equal. I'm open minded though, anyone have any proof?

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    10. Re:Telepathy by ehiris · · Score: 1

      What does the spin of an electron, photon or any subatomic particle have to do with communicating telepathically?

      It's an interesting point of view also expressed by Gary Zukav in "The Dancing Wu Li Masters"; however, he failed to complete the picture.

      Based on the big bang theory, there might be more entanglement going on between particles that weren't recently close to each other. If this form of telepathy is really true, quantum physics can explain the chance of it to occur between different consciousnesses.

      This also applies to remote viewing, which has been successfully applied during the cold war by people who have never been close to the places they described.

    11. Re:Telepathy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't know of anything the brain does that can't be explained by basic chemical principles like the law of mass action

      how bout consciousness

    12. Re:Telepathy by anum · · Score: 1

      So you read two articles about two different things but since they both used the word quantum you decided they were really the same thing and therefore proved something else.

      No that is appling the scientific method!

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    13. Re:Telepathy by same_old_story · · Score: 1

      icq + neural interface == telepathy
      think about it.
      I can already hear that dreadfull sound when your buddy log..thinks in. gee

    14. Re:Telepathy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youre buddies must think a lot more than mine do... I honestly don't think that would be much of a problem. :-)

    15. Re:Telepathy by Hatta · · Score: 1

      In theory you can create a universal turing machine with the law of mass action.

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    16. Re:Telepathy by corbettw · · Score: 1

      What he's saying is that the brain actually USES these quantum principals, ie, if an electron is spinning this way, release this chemical, or send this impulse.

      That sounds implausible, at best. What part of the brain is capable of measuring the spin of an electron? Let me think about this for a second....nope, can't tell what the spin is of that electron that just bounced off the inside of my skull from dendrite #105922-ZT. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but somehow I doubt it.

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    17. Re:Telepathy by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      I have read some theories that there might be some interaction between the electric fields from adjacent neurons (the electric field from a neuron changing potential might be enough to "tickle" the connections or neurons around that one). Can't find a reference though...

    18. Re:Telepathy by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      Dunno about quantum entanglement, but I thought it would be darn interesting if it were possible to either genetically engineer neurons (or implant devices I guess) that act as short-range radio transmitters & receivers.

      Aside from allowing humans to communicate directly to each other's speech centers (and perhaps visual centers, although I'd want tight control over that :-), you could put transmitters into various pets so that when you were near them, you could get a sense of what they were sensing & feeling. (I'd probably limit what I was receiving about what they were tasting though =P

    19. Re:Telepathy by cjameshuff · · Score: 1

      Maybe just let the brains figure it out on their own...they'd probably be better at it than a digital computer.

      Anyway, how about something a bit more simple...a middle ear implant and some kind of subvocal microphone paired with a simple FM transmitter and receiver.

    20. Re:Telepathy by lux55 · · Score: 1

      Do you have a reference to this theory? I'd really like to read it. Thanks in advance if you do.

      Cheers,

      Lux

    21. Re:Telepathy by Hatta · · Score: 1

      It's pretty simple. There are turing complete diophantine equations. (See here, ctrl-f diophantine). The law of mass action can be manipulated into diophantine form. QED

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    22. Re:Telepathy by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

      It depends whether you take seriously things like knowing someone is looking at you, someone calling just as you're thinking about them, dowsing, spiritual healing, remote viewing etc.

      Most scientists don't and will often attack reports of such phenomenon... or demand a more rigorous level of proof that accepted theories about the brain could not provide given similar resources.

      And our accepted theories are so flexible, it's not surprising that a plausible explanation can be advanced for phenomenon we accept.

      Likewise, if telepathy did exist, we don't know how it works and so we don't know how to set up the experiments. Do we need trained subjects? Do we need to keep doubters from interfering telepathically?

      The cards are stacked against "acceptable" proof being provided any time soon.

  10. Hero by kai.chan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jet Li and I fought a battle in our minds. I won.

    1. Re:Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, a thousand backup archers will usually help turn the tide :)

  11. Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by f4llenang3l · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This issue brings harshly to light the ethical problems inherent in all scientific advancement. Clearly this technology can be put to excellent use to restore mobility to paraplegics, or to allow those of us who were nicknamed "Twitches" in high school to improve our success in Counterstrike: Source.

    That said, this technology could also be used for less noble goals; while it says nothing about direct brain control via the implant, and indeed I feel that that would be difficult at best, perhaps even impossible, there are other questionable deeds that could be accomplished with such a device.

    Certainly it will make warfare much quicker, and mass-destruction much easier; it has the capacity to lend a remote-control, push-button effect to war that was previously limited to such weaponry as ICBM's. Imagine soldiers in tanks who no longer see enemy soldiers, but just blips on a screen that they manipulate and shoot without any physical interaction! or "suicide bombers" who directly drive bomb-laden delivery trucks into buildings with their brains from over a DSL connection.

    It shall be interesting to see where this technology goes.

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    1. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by v1x · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I more or less agree with most of what you've said, the fact remains that a lot of federal grant money is allocated for things like enhanced warfare.

      Even if just *one* of the positive outcomes of such a technology means would lets say, let paraplegics walk or function normally, its probably worth it.

    2. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by RpiMatty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ummm, you seem very very paranoid about this remote control warfare. But what you fail to realize there is nothing to stop militaries from developing remote vechicals right now, that use traditional controls.
      In fact i remember reading stories on slashdot about remote control development and training...

    3. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, while that is sortof scary, is it that much different from someone controlling a tank or bomb laden truck with, like, a joystick?

    4. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by ComputerSherpa · · Score: 1
      "That said, this technology could also be used for less noble goals" Technology always almost is. That doesn't stop it from advancing, for which I am glad. And overall I believe new technology is used more for good than for evil.

      "Imagine soldiers in tanks who no longer see enemy soldiers, but just blips on a screen that they manipulate and shoot without any physical interaction!" If the improved reaction time will save the lives of a few American soldiers, I'm for it.

      "...or 'suicide bombers' who directly drive bomb-laden delivery trucks into buildings with their brains from over a DSL connection." That would be a really stupid use of this technology. Use a remote and a screen, like for an RC car-- it's cheaper, more expedient, less finicky, and it's not like you're going to get your investment back...

      "It shall be interesting to see where this technology goes." Indeed! And you are correct to point out the potential misuses of this technology, for they must be guarded against. It is certainly no reason not to proceed with research, however.

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    5. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by simonjester2424 · · Score: 1

      If we could control the tanks from afar with our minds with this technology, then why couldn't we just control them afar with remote controls?
      I don't see how this would by itself change warfare all that much. It would be one more tool for precise or quick control, thats all.

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    6. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Direct Brain control being difficult at best?

      Probably not nearly as difficult as you'd imagine. You just have to change how you imagine controlling the brain. Imagine an infrared sensory input for a blind person. If you control the senses, you can make the person see/do things they may not normally do.

      Reality is what people perceive.

    7. Re:Ghost in the Shell, anyone? by g07h_g33k · · Score: 1

      This is why we should round up all of the people who would use technology for warfare and make them our slaves. Then all of us highly ethical people would have minions to fetch us drinks while we play soothing and peaceful games like Quake.

  12. Upgrade by Whom99 · · Score: 2, Funny
    The article continues: "Following the patient's successful mastery of Pong, we changed the software to run Doom3. Unfortunately, the native processing power of his cerebrum (based on very old, biological technology) only allowed him to run the game at 18 fps, and he kept gettign fragged"

    "Plus, then the lights flashed, he turned evil, and we had to shoot him in the head with a plasma gun."

    Oh yeah, free ipods good http://www.freeipods.com/?r=12669514/

    1. Re:Upgrade by grozzie2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, I like this technological concept, it will allow me to mark all the free ipod pyramid trolls as 'troll', without even having to lift a mouse. Until that time, sure would be nice to see posts trolling the ipod pyramid schemes get a -1 troll automatically.

    2. Re:Upgrade by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      What about Plasma monitors and laptops ;P

      Yeah, the same scam group's doing those items too.

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  13. Decker and Rigger... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should turn up soon then too, no?

  14. SUPER Serious Gamers by Stripsurge · · Score: 5, Funny

    Brain surgery to play video games better?

    "Please Mom!"
    "No Billy. That system is designed for paralyzed people not so you can play video games better" /Billy hurls himself down stairs
    Checkmate

    1. Re:SUPER Serious Gamers by JumperCable · · Score: 1

      ^Parent is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

    2. Re:SUPER Serious Gamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^Parent needs to read more.

  15. Ktarian Plot by dupper · · Score: 0
    How long until someone combines this with opiates and makes "The Game"?

    (Score: -1, Star Trek Obscure)

    1. Re:Ktarian Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like Score -1 Redundant...

  16. wrong by sootman · · Score: 1

    "While this is cool for us power gamers, it has many more impressive applications..."

    No, it doesn't. :-)

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  17. Shocking! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    from the article:

    As part of that surgery, a 2-inch by 3-inch section of her skull had to be temporarily removed and electrodes implanted to pinpoint where the seizures were coming from. Then, a tiny portion of her brain was removed.

    The surgery went well, and Hannibal Malmquist who was seen tucking into a freshly prepared piece of fried meat said she no longer suffers from seizures.

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    1. Re:Shocking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, but it has a plot hole.

      Jews dont have foreskins, so they can't whack off like us.

      -Uncircumcised

  18. What's new? by coekie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Similar stuff been covered before in:
    Brain Controlled Computing a Reality
    Playing Games With One's Brainwaves
    Brain Chip Approved For Paralysis Research
    Brain Controlled Tightrope Video Game Shown

    So "what's new"? Is it a new technique this time, has major progress been made? If so, what's the big difference compared to the previous articles?

    1. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      what's the big difference compared to the previous articles?
      Why don't you read it and find out? Oh wait, it's /.
    2. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just Michael trying to boost his post count with near-dupes again.

  19. frightening by ktulus+cry · · Score: 4, Funny
    Surfing the web with your brain = anonymous cowards searching for pr0n with both hands free.

    Think about THAT.

    1. Re:frightening by EEBaum · · Score: 1

      Like voice recognition, sans the ensuing uncomfortable situations involving eavesdroppers!

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    2. Re:frightening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but what happens when an "offtopic" thought pops into your mind when you are in business? "Oh shit, I forgot to feed the dog... WAIT! BACK! BACK!"

    3. Re:frightening by nemsan · · Score: 0

      I don't care if I become a drone I'd love hands free pr0n

    4. Re:frightening by corbettw · · Score: 1

      anonymous cowards searching for pr0n with both hands free.

      Think about THAT.


      Do I have to? *shudder*

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    5. Re:frightening by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

      Wait... you need BOTH hands free? Wow...

  20. BRAIN / COMPUTER by akuma624 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "They also are working on developing new electrodes that emit drugs that tone down the inflammation that comes from introducing a foreign object into the brain." This statement is medically interesting in the sense that the human immunoresponse to objects it doesn't recognize - e.g. antibody / antigen reaction. Not to mention that introducing even the slightest foreign object in the subarachnoid space (the space between the skull and the brain itself) is of fatal importance. At one point we have to wonder and assume that technology will eventually make all of this possible but will we maintain our "humanity" or will we undergo some change ala Caption Picard and the Borg - ?

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    1. Re:BRAIN / COMPUTER by ajlitt · · Score: 1

      Pacemaker electrodes already include antirejection drugs already impregnated into the tip. By the time the drug stores are depleted, the body is used to the foreign object. I'd imagine that the principles and the drugs used in doing the same to the brain are similar.

  21. It's the future... by igrigorik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Combine the unsurpassed parallel processing capability of our brain with speed of sequential execution of an even average home pc, and who knows what can happen. This is what you read about in sci-fi, yet it's already on our door steps. (Mind you it's in infant stage, but nonetheless.) Next thing you know faculties of Math/Science/etc. will cease to exist and instead the parents will pick if they want the latest copy of Mathematica or Maple installed in their childs brain ;)

    1. Re:It's the future... by whitespacedout · · Score: 1

      > parents will pick if they want the latest copy of
      > Mathematica or Maple installed in their childs brain

      Sure. Just make sure you run an OS better than MS Windows Mind2020. Else, if you visit a fun-looking porn site ("with enhanced force-feedback teledildonics!") you'll pick up an STD (Surfing Transmitted Disease) and promptly join an army of brain-controlled zombies in mindlessly spamming US citizens for green cards to Canada/India.

    2. Re:It's the future... by gtkuhn · · Score: 1

      Could a person invent something or find a tricky solution without some real knowledge of the field, but just instant library access and a built in calculator?

    3. Re:It's the future... by aralin · · Score: 1

      Even with Mathematica on my computer, which is btw the first thing we equip new students at math dept. with, it won't help you much, unless you understand what the programm will output. And unless you have some clue as of what to feed it to. Its like with calculator, just on a higher level. Just instead of calculations over sets of numbers you do calculations over sets of functions. Or more. Having a calculator in your brain will only make you multiply really really fast, but it won't help you to understand you need to multiply the rectangle's egde lengths to get its area size. The day any computer will help you with a thought process and comprehension, we should be scared as hell.

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    4. Re:It's the future... by StradAndStrat · · Score: 1

      Problem is that we're not learning how to reprogram a brain (if we ever can since we'd need something with at least as much processing power as a brain) but simpling how to interpret what it's already sending us.

  22. Mindgames by guttergod · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've been thinking about games ever since I was born...

    *puzzled*

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  23. aw right, i get to make a back to the future ref! by vena · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy!"

  24. OT Your sig by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
    DISCLAIMER: I am not from Korea.

    But you are old, right?

    1. Re:OT Your sig by koreaman · · Score: 1

      No. Is anyone on /. old?

    2. Re:OT Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a Korean, does that help at all?

    3. Re:OT Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define old. If you mean anybody older than 18, then there are a hell of a lot of us. If you mean anybody older than 30, there are still a good number, and growing.

    4. Re:OT Your sig by koreaman · · Score: 1

      I define "old" as anyone who uses $CURRENT_TOPIC in Korea.
      Or does anything in Korea, as the new meme would suggest

    5. Re:OT Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I define "old" as anyone who uses $CURRENT_TOPIC in Korea.

      In Korea, only old people put "DISCLAIMER: I am not from Korea" in their sigs. :)

      FYI, I am from Korea and I am not old => I don't say "I am not from Korea."

  25. Imagine wetware motion capture! by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Screw cameras and blue screens, jut plug your brain into the PC and control the character directly. Seriously if this was even remotely possible the very first thing I'd do is make an architecture for broadcasting animations to other players in a MMORPG. First step on the way to the matrix. Of course, this isn't possible and it's larly stupid to even bother thinking about it.

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  26. About time for some substance, you marketeers! by Lili+Queen+of+Darkne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This kind of subject has been talked about very much lately. I appreciate that, but i'm kind of disappointed at the way the subject is handled in general. Why not discuss technical issues? How are brain patterns read? EM signals surely, so how about talking about the probes that are used? And about the signals, surely there must be some interresting stuff to discuss about fuzzy recognition here... Guys, what can i say, we're supposed to be talking about our brains and the way they work, and all i find is some kids discussing 'applications' for something they're not really willing to understand. This is NOT the marketing dept!!! Where are old time nerds? Worse, i find some 'ethical' rethorist wrecking the fun... This is not litterature, this is science, may the heretics burn! Oh, before i go, i would like to insult people who think brain control applications are two-way systems. Terrorized geeks are worth nothing, the price for greater science is never too great! (please, repliers, dont discuss my mail, discuss the hardware)

    1. Re:About time for some substance, you marketeers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would expect that the reason that we are not seeing any techinical discussion of these subjects is that there are so many applications for this type of tech. Whoever gets a version of this to market first will stand to make a large amount of money from both the medical and entertainment sectors. Even though the 'nerds' may want to shout from the rooftops about their great invention they have to worry that they'll give away too much information. So all the info we see has filtered though the marketing department. Untill there is a commercial version of this avalible I don't think we'll get to see much in the way of the exact how's and why's of the way that these things work.

  27. Only limbs? by sheetsda · · Score: 1

    Why stop at limbs? Why not bodies? I want to be a hive mind. Just requires a little extra wireless tech and probably a vicious learning curve.

    1. Re:Only limbs? by Frogbert · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ofcourse everyone knows that multiple apendages could be much more useful in the budding niche of multi-wang pronography. Think of the possibilities TVTA!

    2. Re:Only limbs? by sheetsda · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Who needs pr0n when you've got two (or as many as you want) bodies of different (or same, whatever floats your boat) genders... :)

    3. Re:Only limbs? by jarodss · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're saying that you want to become a beowolf cluster?

    4. Re:Only limbs? by neil.orourke · · Score: 1

      Why stop at limbs? Why not bodies? I want to be a hive mind.

      Yeah, yeah - we ALL want to be with Seven of Nine!

  28. Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    We are about 1 step away from mind-to-mind communcation. We already have mind-to-machine communication.

    These kinds of experiments in mind communication probably should be classified as top secret. Imagine what the Chinese would do if they perfected mind-to-mind communication. Do the words "mental rape" or "mental torture" suggest anything?

    I could imagine a scenario where a Tibetan nun is arrested by the Chinese. She knows the whereabouts of the new Dalai Lama, and the Chinese hook her up to the mind of a Chinese colonel. The colonel then mentally rapes and tortures her until she yields the requested information.

    Scary stuff.

    1. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I could imagine a scenario where a Tibetan nun is arrested by the Chinese. She knows the whereabouts of the new Dalai Lama, and the Chinese hook her up to the mind of a Chinese colonel. The colonel then mentally rapes and tortures her until she yields the requested information.

      The colonel can already rape and torture her as he sees fit using present day technology. Why is this technology any more scary than that? Oh right, it's unfamiliar and therefore automatically bad and scary.

    2. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The difference is that, with this mind communication, the torture leaves no physical scars and, hence, no physical evidence. The Chinese could deny that they tortured the Tibetan nun, and she would have a hard time in proving the crime.

      Emotional abuse is harder to prove than physical abuse. Ask any abused child or battered wife. By the way, child abuse and spousal abuse are rampant in Chinese society.

    3. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The difference is that, with this mind communication, the torture leaves no physical scars and, hence, no physical evidence.

      That's no difference. You really think it's impossible to torture somebody without leaving physical evidence today? To pick an example from the top of my head - what about sleep deprivation? No scars there.

      By the way, child abuse and spousal abuse are rampant in Chinese society.

      They are rampant in the USA too, but you really seem to dislike the Chinese, don't you? You're giving away your prejudices.

    4. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They are rampant in the USA too, but you really seem to dislike the Chinese, don't you? You're giving away your prejudices .

      According to the United Nations report on child welfare, the USA and most other Western nations received a passing grade. Taiwan, like the rest of Chinese society, received a failing grade.

      Are you Chinese? Now, I get it.

    5. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better yet, I think all information we have on razor blades should be top secret and we should remove what we do have as quickly as possible, I mean that same chinese person can put them under someone's finger nails and torture them with pain. scary stuff isn't it.

    6. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the United Nations report on child welfare, the USA and most other Western nations received a passing grade.

      Why are you singling out China above the Western nations that don't receive a passing grade? According to UNICEF, the situation in China is improving. For that matter, ~1,400 children die of abuse and neglect in the USA every year, and it may be getting worse. I don't care if the UN considers that a "pass", I certainly don't, and my original claim stands: abuse is rampant in the USA too. You'll note that I'm backing up what I say with links to statistics... are you going to do likewise, or just make vague references?

      Are you Chinese? Now, I get it.

      I'm British actually. Are you a xenophobe? Now I get it.

    7. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Chinese bigot writes, "abuse is rampant in the USA too."

      Of course, there is abuse all around the world. However, child abuse and spousal abuse are far more prevalant in China than it is in the USA and the rest of the West.

      Just for kicks, here's a statistic. The sex ratio at birth (SRB) of males to females in China is 1.20. The SRB in the USA and Japan is 1.05, which is normal.

    8. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese bigot writes

      It's interesting you should use that word.

      Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

      Now, let's recap. You are singling out China repeatedly, first for theoretical future tortures, and now for child abuse, when the topic of conversation is something quite different. When I point out that other countries also have bad records and ask you to back up your claims, you repeat your claims, make new ones, don't provide any references, and call me a bigot. Note that none of your claims are supported by the UNICEF summaries I have posted links to. Note also that you are treating "China" as one single entity, when UNICEF tells us that there are significant regional differences. You post a sex ratio statistic (that, for all I know, you made up on the spot), presumably to try and imply that females are treated as second-class citizens or something, when UNICEF tells us that in the 90s, the female illiteracy rate dropped by 10 percentage points!

      Unless you start providing references, your credibility will start wearing thin. For a start, let's see that UN report, and the basis for that sex ratio statistic.

      I think it's pretty obvious who the bigot is. You seem to want any excuse to attack China. If the topic was a new type of car engine, you'd probably say "Hey, lots of cars are made in China. You know what else goes on there? Child abuse!"

      Please, tell me, why did you feel the need to attack China on such an unrelated topic?

    9. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The skewed sex ratio in China is common knowledge. So is the rampant child abuse and spousal abuse. China is also a major center of human trafficking.

      Got that, Chinese bigot?

    10. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Zen+Punk · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who reads enough topics here to notice that this guy posts this stuff in almost every single topic, regardless if it is related to China in any way?

      This guy makes an effort to post this in every topic he can. Surprisingly, he actually does change it every time to try and reflect the topic, but as not every story here has anything to do with China, the logic is often strained and convoluted. They all basically boil down to "China and Chinese people == Evil."

      I see a lot of people replying to these comments who are perturbed by the accusations and assertions made, pointing out flaws or factual errors in his logic. You know, I really don't think that he will concede any points made, nor will he stop posting this crap, especially when he gets a reaction like this.
      I have no doubt that this person has a real hatred of China and her people for poorly thought-out reasons, but his presence on Slashdot(and perhaps other boards, I don't know) amounts to nothing more than an effective troll. I think these posts should just be modded as such and left alone. Eventually he will find a new way to tell the world how horrible China is, or find a new hobby.

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    11. Re:Mind Melds, Torture, and China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, well if it's common knowledge, then sure, a link to what looks like nothing more than a hobby website repeating second-hand allegations is absolutely fine as a reference. No sarcasm there. No, not at all. And it stands up very well in comparison to my UNICEF and US Department of Health & Human Services links. And the fact that you still haven't produced the "United Nations report on Child Welfare" you were talking about. And I'm sure that you are aware that the UNICEF I link to is the United Nations Children's Fund, so there must be a perfectly reasonable explanation why they seem to be unaware of the conclusions of the United Nations report you are making claims about.

      Oh wait, it looks like what I guessed about you attacking China at every opportunity is spot on. What's your basis for repeatedly calling me a bigot, when it is clearly you that fits the description?

  29. Research on "going the other way"? by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone know if any group is doing research on using input devices for your brain from a computer? In other words, a way of sending information back into your brain so that you could know it, hear it, visually see it or feel it?

    1. Re:Research on "going the other way"? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't that exactly what this fuc .. BBZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT .. v-chip is meant to be for?

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    2. Re:Research on "going the other way"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stevie Wonder was taking part in an "artificial eye" project a while back, but I haven't heard anything about that recently.

    3. Re:Research on "going the other way"? by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      Yep - ask and ye shall receive input http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/2 3/161256&tid=191

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    4. Re:Research on "going the other way"? by CleverNickedName · · Score: 1

      There are a number of devices already on the market which input visual and audio information into your brain via well defined pathways.

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    5. Re:Research on "going the other way"? by svnt · · Score: 1

      hear it, visually see it or feel it?

      For the last 14 years I've been using this awesome device that shoots electrons onto a screen in such a way that it forms a visual image. In conjunction with the use of my eyes, my brain is presented with beautiful glowing images.

      And this is the best part - on each side of my screen - transducers that modulate the air into my ears! My computer can talk to me now!

  30. Children of Zion Can't Jack In by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Matrix is cool but here's a the rub. Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and all the rest were born in the matrix. They learnt to control their virtual bodies as they grew up. Even if the machines got it into their silicon minds to hook up one of the children of Zion it would take years for him to learn how to control his virtual body, if he ever did. We are children of Zion, and should we ever get enough electrodes implanted into our brains it will also take us years to learn how to control our virtual bodies.

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    1. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by G-funk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't wanna.... You know, wreck it or anything, but the matrix is make believe. It has no basis in science or reality, just 16yo pothead pseudophilosophy.

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    2. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know you're a genius, and that us little people should kneel before you, but the concept of jacking into a computer is a lot older than the Matrix and something us geeks have talked about for a very long time. The fact that I use the Matrix to talk about jacking in doesn't make my arguments any less worthy of consideration - just like the fact that Martin Fowler uses Smalltalk to explain XP techniques sometimes doesn't make it any less applicable to Java, C++ or any other object-oriented language (even though to some Smalltalk is more fiction than fact).

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    3. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      I know you're a genius, and that us little people should kneel before you, but the concept of jacking into a computer is a lot older than the Matrix and something us geeks have talked about for a very long time. The fact that I use the Matrix to talk about jacking in doesn't make my arguments any less worthy of consideration - just like the fact that Martin Fowler uses Smalltalk to explain XP techniques sometimes doesn't make it any less applicable to Java, C++ or any other object-oriented language (even though to some Smalltalk is more fiction than fact).
      None of this has any bearing on the fact that what characters in The Matrix could or couldn't do has nothing to do with what might or might not be possible in reality.
    4. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by rpdillon · · Score: 1

      Grandparent is correct in pointing out that a particular method of controlling your body requires practice. Any physical activity you've learned bears this out, as do mental activites; it's simply learning.

      In fact, though you assert that the analogy has "nothing to do with what might or might not be possible", I'd argue that it does. If you read the article, they mention that as the two subjects practiced, they got better at controlling what was happening on-screen with their minds.

      That is actually a pretty good indicator that someone who grew up doing it would be better than someone who was just learning later in life - such as someone that grew up in the Matrix versus a Child of Zion.

      It may be only a story but the parallels are real (pong vs. The Matrix, electrodes placed on the brain vs. steel rod inserted in brain).

    5. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Not really; it depends on how well we can reverse engineer our bodies. As I understand it, when we want to move, our minds generate an impulse that travels down one of our motor nerves, which activates the appropriate muscle - wallah, movement. So if our clever scientists can just figure out which nerves trigger which movements, and to what degree, using a prosthetic limb should be no different to using a normal one.

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    6. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Wow, way to totally simplify one of the most complex mechanisms on earth. What you're talking about it simulating not only an entire human body but your specific human body. Think about it this way, if I get my hand cut off in freak woodchipping accident and I'm one of the lucky few people in the world who can get a hand transplant operation, it's still gunna take me years of painstaking phisotherapy ever day before I can eat soup - and that's with a human hand. Now maybe, if we hooked you up to the world's most sensitive motion capture system and gave the computer neural control over your body we could train an artifical neural network to learn how your body is controlled and then simulate that body, but we're forgetting something really really important: feedback. It's not a one way street. Every single time you move a finger or wiggle a toe your body is sending signals up to your brain and your brain is sending signals back down to your body. Without that feedback you can't control your body. Just consider how little motor control you have when you are drunk or drugged on tranquilisers.

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    7. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Who said we weren't living in the Matrix already?

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    8. Re:Children of Zion Can't Jack In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod you up mod you up mod you up! It's post like this that make we want to get an account so I can mod up insightful posts like this one.

  31. Monkeys playing Games!!! by kshyler · · Score: 4, Funny
    "In an earlier post, we looked at the future of Matrix-esque control over computers. In that article, monkeys got to play the games."



    Just great...now when my Halo2 scores are still:


    Kills/Killed
    2/25


    Instead of listening to weedsmoker36 pop off I'll now get to hear chest thumping chimps.

  32. Re:aw right, i get to make a back to the future re by NotAPirate · · Score: 1

    How awesome, I was about to post the same thing.

  33. The next step by parcifal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, the next step would be to eliminate the computer (used for processing the brain signals) and use an ASIC to perform the required signal processing. The ramifications of this, as the article notes are endless. Ethical questions do exist, but we will find a way to answer them (and I don't mean in a Stem-Cell kind of way...)

    1. Re:The next step by akuma624 · · Score: 2, Informative
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  34. All fun and games... by tenaciousj · · Score: 3, Funny

    Until some idiot does the first: ping -f /medula

  35. test by akuma624 · · Score: 1
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  36. keyboard/mouse combo by RadiusQ · · Score: 1

    ...I think I'll stick to the above for the time being.

    1. Re:keyboard/mouse combo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, this is good news for the carpal-tunnel
      sufferers too.

  37. Advancements by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This technology is going to advance really fast...

    When they get it to the PRON stage of testing :P

  38. Miraculously non-religious... by copponex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the reason I am upset with the direction of the US. In nearly any other developed country, science versus religion isn't even an argument anymore. It makes me ill when people talk about "playing God." Please, wake me when He shows up. For now, the only person who has done anything revolutionary (beyond personal support) for the crippled are scientists, doctors, and other people who work instead of pray.

    1. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this on topic? Not one post in this story mentions the 'conflict' and last time I checked, Madison, Wisconsin was in the US. And I might know since I go to school there.

    2. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by minus_273 · · Score: 0, Troll

      "This is the reason I am upset with the direction of the US. In nearly any other developed country, science versus religion isn't even an argument anymore. It makes me ill when people talk about "playing God." Please, wake me when He shows up. For now, the only person who has done anything revolutionary (beyond personal support) for the crippled are scientists, doctors, and other people who work instead of pray. "

      well son, maybe god is not a he and maybe god does not need to show up. I have seen god do wonderful things for the crippled and god didnt even have to show up. If you want proof, go take a look at your local religious charity, look at mother teresa, the dalai lama, the salvation army, and thousands of similar people. These people are the hands of god in our world. Can you tell me that Mother Teresa was not doing gods work when she went and helped the sickest and poorest people in the world? where were are all the other people you claim to be so great? do they give up their fortunes? family? no. Think about that the next time you see some millionaire hollywood big-shot running a fund raiser when they could just donate money themselves.

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    3. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by Shihar · · Score: 1

      Maybe down there browsing at -1 troll you see stuff about playing god. Up here at +5 though you are the only one you has said anything about god. There is a moderation system. Use it and love it. Speaking of trolls, how in the hell did your post manage to score a positive number?

    4. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by innerweb · · Score: 1
      Hmmm...

      Just had a discussion in our ethics class last week along these lines (genetics and stem cell), and the same argument came up, to which one of the smarter kids in the class replied "There is doing God's work and God doing work, which are not the same thing. Doing God's work only proves you believe in God, it does not prove the existence or the state of God."

      He, of course, was immediately attacked (rather childishly) by a few of the rightists in the class. All kind of fun to watch (beats the heck out of TV).

      InnerWeb

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    5. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by ninewands · · Score: 1
      This post is OT, but so be it.

      Quoth the poster:
      He, of course, was immediately attacked (rather childishly) by a few of the rightists in the class. All kind of fun to watch (beats the heck out of TV).

      So true. One of the most entertaining classes I took in law school was "Seminar in Religion, Ethics and Law." At the start of the semester the class was made up of myself and a compatriot from the school's Civil Liberties Society, however, he wussed out and left me alone to face a dozen of the right-wing type you would expect to be attracted to a class with a name like that.

      Baiting and debating the fundies all semester was SO entertaining. What made it even more fun was that the professor was a miniscule jewish lady who had been born and raised in Israel, and who delighted in pointing out all the mistranslations of the Old Testament that form such a large part of fundamentalist NewSpeak these days.

      BTW, I got an "A" in the course because I was the only student in the class who used religous authority other than the Christian canon when I wrote my paper.
    6. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      For one, any educated atheist has no more problem with references to "playing God" than he or she might have to other metaphors of common speech resulting from our common ancestry in Judeo-Christian or other upbringings. Comments about Icarus might be relevant as well, and might very well be made by those more into their medeteranian mythologies.

      That said, a very large number of people in the democracy known as the USA are in fact believers in this God person, and as its a government *for* and *by* the people, their views should be respected, even if not foisted on others.

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    7. Re:Miraculously non-religious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could've just said "get over it"

  39. combine both by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    Consider the excellent work that has been done into Cochlear implants. Basically an entire section of the brain (that which deals with sound processing) is replaced with a nice little pretrained neural network on a chip. The chip literally simulates the way that piece of the brain works and converts data from a microphone into neural impulses. Now I don't know about you, but I can't sing worth a damn. When I sing in my head it all sounds great but as soon as I open my mouth.. well, dogs sing better than me. What would happen if we were to monitor the signals coming into (from the brain) the sound processing unit as well as simulating the signals going out from it (to the brain). When I sing a song in my head would my sound processing unit be able to pick it up? Could it play it for others to hear, and would it sound any better than what comes out of my mouth?

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    1. Re:combine both by isometrick · · Score: 1

      Come on ... we all learned from Commander Data that singing comes from the emotion chip, you insensitive clod.

  40. BrainPort by Ibag · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know if this is quite what you meant, but this story was about a device that allowed you to gain or regain senses by putting a pad in your mouth. While you can recieve the signals to other parts of the body, they found that the tounge was the most receptive.

    It isn't entirely input from a computer, but I don't see why the signals couldn't be generated artificially and sent to a device like this.

    1. Re:BrainPort by suso · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's close to what I was thinking of. I didn't know the tongue could be used in this way.

      Eventually, it would be cool to have something on your head that was two-way communication with your brain. I have a lot of ideas for applications that can be used with such a device.

      For instance:

      - Software that intercepts the signals that your eyes or ears send to your brain and reprocesses them so that you can see/hear more.

      - Using people's brains for grouped computation.

      - Eliminating the need for things like computer screens/TVs and speakers by sending the information to your brain directly.

      And that only scratches the surface.

  41. dirty minds will think... by kn0tw0rk · · Score: 0

    ... of a form of interacting with members of the opposite sex over the internet.

    The pr0n industry is gonna love that.

    They'll call it the Tele-G-Stick :P

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  42. PSA: Brain connection is read-only. by m3j00 · · Score: 0

    It's simply detecting impulses from your brain and using them to control a computer. It's not going to upload a virus into your brain people...

  43. Limiters, Suppressors by LionKimbro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Several people are worried that this technology would be horrible. Many people are citing Forbidden Planet.
    But, those worries are mis-placed. Forbidden Planet isn't going to happen.
    It goes like this: We're going to develop suppressors technology.

    Think about a gun for the moment: A gun has a safety. You have to undo the safety, before the gun will fire.

    We all have many systems in our lives that prevent us from messing up. Credit card limits, speech and action suppressors in our brains, yadda yadda yadda.

    As we develop machines that respond to thought, we will also develop machines that suppress our newfound "actions." We will limit actions that are particularly dangerous. We will limit actions that come from careless thoughts.
    There may be things where: You have to solve a small puzzle, before the action will carry out. We may have things where: If you aren't being attentive, then the action won't execute.

  44. Re:aw right, i get to make a back to the future re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AOL.

  45. Gibson's story by lastberserker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dunno how it's connected to the "Forbidden Planet," but the development is 1:1 what is described in the "Dogfight" by William Gibson.

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  46. 5.1 Surround Senses by KrackHouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This got me thinking, once you're dealing with the brain directly and not hearing, smell, touch, tase, vision, you could add senses in the same way modders currently add levels or features to games.

    I think the best application would be the ability to wire your brain directly into another person's to express ideas without waiting for our mouths to do the work. There is a gob of tissue that connects the left and right sides of the brain that when cut leads to all sorts of weird problems.

    If we can borrow the right side of someones brain for an art school assignment then wouldn't humanity start to look a lot like open source software? We own our brains now, they're proprietary. What happens when we connect a bunch together? What happens to "self"? Are we the final Beowulf joke?

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    1. Re:5.1 Surround Senses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the best application would be the ability to wire your brain directly into another person's to express ideas without waiting for our mouths to do the work.

      This is every geek's fantasy but probably impossible. Training your mind to play a video game is one thing; training your mind to interpret the electrical impusles of another brain as expressions of ideas -- forget it. Maybe a computer could interpret "pure thought" (i.e. not linguistically encoded), but for a human to do so, we would, as you imply, need a new sense. Interfacing a new sense with the brain is a vastly more complicated problem (us interpreting input rather than a machine interpreting our output).
  47. Don't forget the classic by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    Brain Fart.

  48. We are the borg we will be assimilated. by nemsan · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the borg, it may eventually be used for less noble purposes

  49. Obligiatory Joke by a1cypher · · Score: 1

    In soviet russia, computers control you.

  50. It should not matter by Nomihn0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As the electrodes are not targeting any particular region, as is evidenced by the subject's description of "scrinching up" and "thinking about screaming" as methods of controlling the paddle, there is no reason why they should be buried in the brain rather than adhered to the surface. Don't hold me to this as I am not qualified to make these assumptions, but I do not believe that this is particularly significant or new achievement (except that it is an extension of the previous one without fault). Until they create extremely sensitive electrodes that attach to the scalp (very, very unlikely given skin movement and interference), this still seems like quite stretch for regular patients - and an extreme one for the rest.

    Maybe they should try other, less direct, interfaces - like the tongue ("Activation of visual cortex by electrotactile stimulation of the tongue in early-blind subjects").

    1. Re:It should not matter by Jazu · · Score: 1

      Maybe not as much of a stretch as you'd think. If electrodes could be embedded in the scalp(without screwing around with the brain directly), I'd sure as hell get that surgery before, say, cosmetic surgery.

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    2. Re:It should not matter by jangobongo · · Score: 1
      They are testing different regions with different results. From the Wisconsin State Journal article:
      • The electrical signals in the brain are very weak - about one millionth the strength of the electrical current running through a home. And the skull is a good insulator, Williams said, meaning the signals are degraded if the electrodes are placed on the scalp.

        So the researchers decided they needed to place the sensors directly on the brain.

        "It was previously thought motor areas (of the brain) would be the most effective," Williams said. "We find many different areas the patient is able to control to move the cursor."

        In fact, many of the brain areas that worked the best are part of the "silent brain," Garell said. The silent brain is a large area that scientists haven't determined what its function is.

        What all this means is that practice may be the key to making this work, researchers said.

        "We may not need to find the exact right spot," Williams said. "It can be (through) training and learning that a patient can control movement."
      So the sensors are not buried in the brain, just laid on top of it. In fact, the researchers mention making the sensors smaller and, ideally, wireless (why does this make me think of antennae like on the show "My Favorite Martian"?)

      The "scrinching up" and "thinking about screaming" was part of the learning curve, and as the subjects practiced, moving the cursor became easier.
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  51. Man and Machine: Man to machine? by hermank · · Score: 2, Interesting

    interesting as someone through that we would need to class, as tones of electronic doc would feed into your brain.

    how about making backup of your life into several TB harddisk?

    or how about programming a ultra fast computer with application which simulate responses the same way as you?

    or, put it further, will there be a day that we can backup our mind and soul and reboot yourself in truely inorganic form?

    By that day, will it be possible to be 'teleported' to different planet, simply sending you 'life and soul.zip' to a different clone machine via planetary communication link?

    And, by that day, what is the definition of human and machine?

    btw, will this be a movie plot of an upcomming blockbuster?

    1. Re:Man and Machine: Man to machine? by khrtt · · Score: 1

      how about making backup of your life into several TB harddisk?

      That assumes that each neuron in your brain stores on the order of a kilobit of information, and in reality it's more like one bit, or a few. An arevage 120 GB harddrive should be quite enough to back up a human brain, perhaps even several times over.

      or, put it further, will there be a day that we can backup our mind and soul and reboot yourself in truely inorganic form?

      Lawnmover man.

      By that day, will it be possible to be 'teleported' to different planet, simply sending you 'life and soul.zip' to a different clone machine via planetary communication link?

      While sending the contents of ones memory seems not far from practical, the 'soul' part is somewhat trickier. Noone really knows WTF it is, and whether. Noone has ever seen or felt it. Yet everyone seems to think that there is something to your persona besides just the memory banks and your body, and much religious belief is based on that assumption. If there really is something that could be called 'soul', there is no reason to think that it could be zipped up and sent over a comm channel - after all, memories are just information, but this 'soul' part of you is supposedly not.

      And, by that day, what is the definition of human and machine?

      Usually the reason that it becomes hard to see the difference between 2 things (like human and machine in your example), it's because there really isn't all that much difference. So, by the time the question "what's the definition of human and machine" becomes relevant, the right answer might well be "who cares?".

      btw, will this be a movie plot of an upcomming blockbuster?

      I thought this has been the topic of blockbusters since the fifties.

    2. Re:Man and Machine: Man to machine? by Bisqwit · · Score: 1
      > > how about making backup of your life into several TB harddisk?
      > That assumes that each neuron in your brain stores on the order of
      > a kilobit of information, and in reality it's more like one bit, or
      > a few. An arevage 120 GB harddrive should be quite enough to back
      > up a human brain, perhaps even several times over.

      How about the connections between those neurons? Aren't there like 10000 per each of them?

    3. Re:Man and Machine: Man to machine? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      or how about programming a ultra fast computer with application which simulate responses the same way as you?

      A slightly different idea: xerox your soul into a temporary copy of your body. A really good book exploring the idea was David Brin's The Kiln People.

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  52. Microsoft Brain 1.0 Beta by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 1

    Any volunteers?

    1. Re:Microsoft Brain 1.0 Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, The last thing I want to be in my brian chip is a Microsoft product. You see I can reboot my brian that often.

  53. Re: Not just modding to add senses, but also... by SunofMan · · Score: 1

    pooling a group of brains together into a grid computing type environment, where people share resources that aren't currently being used. Like, if I'm taking a test, and I need more cognitive power to enhance my score, I can wire myself into the grid of brain power, take the resources I need, and ace the test. Of course, then there would be issues of trust, as some brains hooked up to the grid could provide me with false results. :(

  54. Other ways of playing games by EqualSlash · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Other ways of playing games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  55. In other news.... by pingveno · · Score: 1

    Linus announces that Linux has been ported to a new architecture - the human brain. Network connectivity graciously supplied by the people over at University of Wisconsin-Madison.

    --
    "it's not about aptitude, it's the way you're viewed" - Galinda
    1. Re:In other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there is already an O'Reilly series on it...

      http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mindhks/

  56. works well by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    with an artificial silicon breast, doesn't it? ;]

  57. Using your head by demon_2k · · Score: 1

    Next they'll want to read my mind...How does one stay private these days?

  58. No, electrodes are really doubtful by Nomihn0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's the point - if. Even though subjects would still have to think about everything from puppies to chain guns just to get the paddle to move, the results might be far less consistent for two reasons:

    Electrodes on the scalp are, by definition, less precise than those implanted into or on top of the brain. When on the scalp, the signal received is from a larger area. Due to this, the thought processes involved might be too general - individual actions and thoughts might step on eachothers toes, so to speak. Although some devices utilize electrodes on the scalp as biofeedback sensors, I doubt it could be so targeted as to move a prosthetic arm. Remember, and this is a BIG overvsimplication, it would take more radical differences in thought to achieve specific movements, as anything less might result in an unintended combination of different inputs

    The other concern is interference. I know that I once had difficulty with a remotely operated vehicle because of a play production in the neighboring room (think stagelights). I don't want to imagine what a similar situation would do to somebody with a prosthetic limb (think Dr. Strangelove).

  59. reminds me of SMAC by mandalayx · · Score: 1

    Mind/Machine Interface
    The Warrior's bland acronym, MMI, obscures the true horror of this monstrosity. Its inventors promise a new era of genius, but meanwhile unscrupulous power brokers use its forcible installation to violate the sanctity of unwilling human minds. They are creating their own private army of demons.
    Commissioner Pravin Lal, "Report on Human Rights"

    "I think, and my thoughts cross the barrier into the synapses of the machine, just as the good doctor intended. But what I cannot shake, and what hints at things to come, is that thoughts cross back. In my dreams, the sensibility of the machine invades the periphery of my consciousness: dark, rigid, cold, alien. Evolution is at work here,
    but just what is evolving remains to be seen."
    -- Commissioner Pravin Lal,
    "Man and Machine"

    1. Re:reminds me of SMAC by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      We hold life to be sacred, but we also know the foundation of life consists in a stream of codes not so different from the successive frames of a watchvid. Why then cannot we cut one code short here, and start another there? Is life so fragile that it can withstand no tampering? Does the sacred brook no improvement?

      -- Chairman Sheng-ji Yang

      Begin with a function of arbitrary complexity. Feed it values, "sense data". Then, take your result, square it, and feed it back into your original function, adding a new set of sense data. Continue to feed your results back into the original function ad infinitum. What do you have? The fundamental principle of human consciousness.

      -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov "The Feedback Principle"

      --
      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  60. Excuses, excuses... by khrtt · · Score: 1

    For example: Spilled Dew on my keyboard.

    I better like the classical: my dog ate it!

  61. GITS2 as well by VeneficusAcerbus · · Score: 1

    The huge mechanical arm thing that Batou ripped off of the Yakuza guy could very easily become a reality with this technology and fuel cells. That is something we may have to worry about. That said, I still think that helping disabled people would still be worth it, no matter what the cons may be.

  62. It does helps by al912912 · · Score: 1

    Well, even though the sections in the brain which they tap are not exactly understood (or even the brain itself), and they cannot match the idea of moving a bar with a electrical impulse on an electrode, I think it will really help for persons to have some of those switches even if they have to do strange thing to activate them. For example, a quadraplegic could operate a TV, suply his own medicine, his own food, and call an alarm if something happens, that could be really great for some people, you could leave your wheelchaired mother in for at least two hours to go to dinner with your wife even if you didn't find a nurse available at friday nigth.

  63. I'm getting conflicting facts by Nomihn0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The BrainGate device is the one mentioned in the conference in a past article.
    "The development of the BrainGate program is the culmination of 10 years of research in my academic laboratory at Brown University. . ."

    About the BrainGate device

    The BrainGate Neural Interface Device is a proprietary brain-computer interface that consists of an internal neural signal sensor and external processors that convert neural signals into an output signal under the users own control. The sensor consists of a tiny chip smaller than a baby aspirin, with one hundred electrode sensors each thinner than a hair that detect brain cell electrical activity.

    The BrainGate technology platform was designed to take advantage of the fact that many patients with motor impairment have an intact brain that can produce movement commands. This may allow the BrainGate system to create an output signal directly from the brain, bypassing the route through the nerves to the muscles that cannot be used in paralysed people.

    The chip is implanted on the surface of the brain in the motor cortex area that controls movement. In the pilot version of the device, a cable connects the sensor to an external signal processor in a cart that contains computers. The computers translate brain activity and create the communication output using custom decoding software. Importantly, the entire BrainGate system was specifically designed for clinical use in humans and thus, its manufacture, assembly and testing are intended to meet human safety requirements. Five quadriplegics patients in all are enrolled in the pilot study, which was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    Here, it clearly states that the electrodes are on the surface of the brain. Therefore, the use of surface electrodes in this new article (about the WU, experiment this time) is not new. So, where's the development?
    1. Re:I'm getting conflicting facts by MacJedi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Here, it clearly states that the electrodes are on the surface of the brain. Therefore, the use of surface electrodes in this new article (about the WU, experiment this time) is not new. So, where's the development?
      I agree that the article is misleading and the two sound the same but they are actually somewhat different: Wolpaw and colleagues are using flat electrodes placed on the surface of the brain. The technique is called electrocorticographic recordings (or eCog.) Donoghue and colleagues are using sharp electrodes inserted through the dura and pia into the brain as much as 1 or 1.5 mm deep. You could call this technique 'multiple cortical extracellular electrodes.'

      ECogs spatially average the activity of many neurons. It's similar to an electroencephalogram (EEG) but the skull is not in the way to attenuate the signal and there is a higher spatial resolution. However with extracellular electrodes it is possible to resolve the action potentials of individual cells.

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      2^5
    2. Re:I'm getting conflicting facts by Nomihn0 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for clarifying this. Even though it is somewhat beyond my current level of understanding, I now have some terms to research myself. . .Blasted "can't post in and mod same thread" rule.

  64. Extremely dangerous by VeneficusAcerbus · · Score: 1

    One word: viruses.

  65. I never denied that. . . . by Nomihn0 · · Score: 1

    I realize what a significant development this technology is, but I still do not see what this particular research added to the field's canon of knowledge.

    1. Re:I never denied that. . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the most interesting area of this research is that these electrodes are not over the motor cortex, or even really near it. These electrodes are solidly over the temporal lobe.

      It shows that perhaps electrode positioning is not as important as previously believed. This could have applications in people paralyzed by stroke, where motor cortex is damaged -- the electrodes might be implantable almost anywhere.

  66. In the Year 2525 by VeneficusAcerbus · · Score: 1
    Reminds me of Zager and Evans's "In the Year 2525", particularly this part:
    In the year 5555
    Your arms hanging limp at your sides.
    Your legs got nothing to do.
    Some machine doing that for you.
  67. Gives a new slant on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "brains over brawn."

  68. Maybe not entanglement... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    But i've read theories that we used to have a form of telepathy that predated language. The theory was basically that parts of our frontal lobe seem pretty useless now and never show much activity, these are an evolutionary leftover (tailbone apendix etc). It was a thing like hive insects have, basic concepts, someone spots a predator, the whole tribe is warned by a feeling, possibly the same for finding food etc. This fell by the wayside as we developed language and it was more effective to shout "tiger" which specifically identified the threat and gave a direction of the threat rather than a general sense of a threat.

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  69. Dead On by Shihar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think you are dead on about the productivity boost this could have. The simple invention of e-mail caused an industrial boom. Imagine combining a non-invasive cap and a little wireless networking action. Even if they could only get output from your head, the productivity boost would be massive if you could get fine enough control to write. Simply blanket a company with a wireless network, give everyone a thinking cap, and sit back and watch productivity soar.

    Walk up to a screen which needs some fields filled in, like an invoice, and think the input in. While you are talking with someone, be jotting down notes without twitching a muscle. Think about the data or instructions you need and have it pop up on your PDA. When you need to bang out a report, type the words as fast as you can think them.

    I personally think it would cause a revolution in technology and productivity. Imagine the environment responding to people's thoughts instead of something kludgy like movement sensors. Lights turn as you think them on. Your coffee pot starts up in the morning the second you think it to.

    You might even be talking about something as revolutionary as a whole new human skill, like writing. It might be that using this near telepathic ability requires a skill that needs to be learned. Really skilled thinkers might have the ability to act as super computers for automation. Any idiot might be able to turn on lights, but a truly skilled thinker might be able to perform surgery with finely controlled robotic arms, or perform microscope work and manipulation at electron microscope magnification levels.

    It might even be a way to get around computer and programming limitations. A computer might have a rough time balancing and operating a military robot built to imitate human movements and mobility, but I bet a skilled thinker with a pair of VR glasses and a lot of training could do it with ease.

    The possibilities are endless. If something as mundane as e-mail can revolutionize the business world (and e-mail DID revolutions the business world), imagine what this sort of stuff could do.

    1. Re:Dead On by Noofus · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness this actually might be problematic for a couple of reasons I can quickly think up. First I know that when I am typing other words appear in my head that dont make it through my fingers onto the screen. I wonder if it would be possible to train out the auxiliary words and such that pop in yourhead as you type. The other problem I forsee is for people who's minds wander (even just a little). You could be sitting at your desk plugging code into an editor with your little brain wave thingy and all of a sudden a hundred porn windows pop up cause you had a breif lecherous thought about the hot chick you saw earlier that day that caused you to think about a particular porn site and wham, there it is...

      So anyhoo, enough rambling...the question I am getting at is how is this thing supposed to filter out unwanted thoughts?

    2. Re:Dead On by Shihar · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree in the slightest with the problems you point out. I think using one of these things will be a skill, and people skilled in it will have an advantage over those who don't have that skill. Part of that skill might very well be the ability to stay focused in whatever manner is required. Like I said, I bet it is something everyone could use to one degree or another, but likely only a certain subset of the population would be able to use it to its fullest.

      It is the difference between a person who can do enough math to get by on his tax returns, a theoretical physicist. Math is useful to both of them, but one of them takes it to an entirely new level of usefulness. So, any idiot might be able to turn on a light by thinking about it or bang out a paper with a little back spacing to remove unwanted thoughts, but a true master of the skill might be able to run a six legged war robot or perform complex surgery with multiple tools at once.

  70. Mind Clustering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...imagine a Beowulf Cluster of these things!

    Seriously though, get a few brains hooked up and you'd have a fair amount of grunt.

    We could even network everyone and create a 'hive mind', like the cranium rats did in Planescape Torment.

  71. No, they have a power button... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to drag the machine into the trash.

  72. I/O by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Here's the thing that's always bugged me about the knee-jerk reaction to "brains controlling computers" thing: everyone assumes that the computers can control the brains.

    Can a mouse control your hand? No. Can a racing petal control your foot? No. Can a computer programmed to interpret your brain waves control your brain? No. It's an INPUT device, not an output device.

    Tell you what. The day that a hacker makes real with the "Your monitor is now a camera, look at the monkey" joke, then I'll worry about my brain-controlled computer uploading newdotnet into my head.

    Oh, and on a side note, for those of you who are worried that you'll be beaten by CS opponents who are moving at the speed of thought, I ask you to concider just how fast the average CS d00d actually thinks.

  73. Games!? by Agret · · Score: 1

    With electrodes implanted directly on their brains, two Madison patients were able to control a computer cursor and play a basic video game just by thinking about it.

    I don't need no implants to play solitarie!

    The man, a construction worker in his late 30s, quickly learned to play a modified version of Pong, said Justin Williams, an assistant professor of biomedical engineering and neurosurgery at UW.

    "He was able to play it just as well as having a joystick in his hand," Williams said.


    Ah I tried to play pong with the Atari joysticks and it was hard. I take it he doesn't play it very well. It's much easier to play with those pong paddles I bought for my Atari. Hey wait I can't use them on any other games!! Everyone boycott the Atari 2600!!!

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    Have you metaroderated recently?
  74. Exploiting it for fun & profit by gibs · · Score: 1

    1. Install WiFi into Head 2. Enter 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire' 3. Profit!

  75. Re: Brain Fart by ComputerSherpa · · Score: 1

    Put a packet logger on the connection and see if the implants say "Eeeeewwwww".

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    Information wants to be anthropomorphized!
  76. Wrong. People can learn new things at any age. by Generalisimo+Zang · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I grew up (mostly) before there were personal computers available.

    I didn't learn how to program in C until I was over 30 years old... yet, I can program a hell of a lot better than most of the kids who "grew up with computers".

    The people who enjoy learning new things and who like a mental challenge will always have an advantage over most people (who don't like to learn anything that's either difficult or different from what they're used to).

    If, or rather when, they invent computer-brain interfaces, I have no doubt that I'll pick it up quicker than someone who's got many decades less experience at.. um.. anything.

    All the stories about people who can't learn new technology, and stories about "old" people whose digital clocks on their VCRs still blink "12:00"... those stories are basically about stupid people who don't like to learn.

    Do you really think that some 10-year-old who was born into a world with computer-brain interfaces is gonna be able to *out-think* a forty or fifty-year-old?

    Only if the forty-year-old is an idiot.

    1. Re:Wrong. People can learn new things at any age. by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      Do you really think that some 10-year-old who was born into a world with computer-brain interfaces is gonna be able to *out-think* a forty or fifty-year-old?

      If you're talking using using real-world experience, no. But if using an interface like this is anything like learning how to play video games, those 10 year olds are going to kick yours & my butts in pure reaction time & eye-to-machine coordination.

  77. Vacuum Flowers by Bruce Sterling. by Generalisimo+Zang · · Score: 1

    Um... they tried that in a book by Bruce Sterling called "Vacuum Flowers".

    The producers of Star Trek rather blatently copied the resulting hive-mind concept from that book and tweaked it slightly to become "The Borg".

    However, in the book, it was called "Earth".

    Not a collective. A single organism, with several billion cells.

    This was considered "a bad thing".

  78. Unlikely by Mornelithe · · Score: 2, Informative
    While quantum entanglement does exist, and entangled particles can be separated from one another by an arbitrary distance, it is unlikely to cause the effects you describe.

    First, maintaining entangled particles is rather difficult in practice. Entanglement happens when the properties of two particles are interrelated, although the specific values are not. For example, the decay of a radioactive atom might release two photons with correlated polarizations, though you don't know which way each photon is polarized. You can then perform certain operations to change the photon's polarization, and those changes will be reflected in the entangled photon's polarization, and when you measure the polarization of one, the other's is guaranteed to correspond, based on how they were emitted.

    However, once you measure the polarization, and know both values, the two photons are no longer entangled and any changes to one's polarization will no longer affect the other. There are also any number of other operations that will cause the particles to no longer be entangled with one another, such as giving a new, known value to the entangled property. For instance, if you have two particles whose spin is correlated (say they're both equal), and take one and cause it to have spin +1/2, that doesn't necessarily cause the other particle to have spin +1/2. You need to do things like changing +1/2 to -1/2, and vice versa, which don't collapse the uncertainty of the system.

    The actual class of operations that preserves entanglement is relatively limited compared to the total number of operations possible (I believe the ones that can preserve entanglement are unitary reversible operators, or some such, which are of specific interest to quantum computing, which makes lots of use of entanglement).

    In other words, the probability that two particles at either end of your fingernail would be entangled is pretty small, let alone in two separate human beings. There are two many other particles to bump into, and that tends to destroy entanglement.

    Furthermore, I'd add that even in the quantum teleportation case, where correlated states change instantaneously, to decipher the instantaneously transferred state requires that the people communicating transmit information to one another that must be sent at the speed of light or less. It works like this:
    1. Alice creates entangled particles A, B, and sends B to Bob.
    2. Alice performs appropriate transformations on A to encode information
    3. Alice measures A, and sends the measurement to Bob via normal channels
    4. Bob measures B and uses the measurement of A to decode B's measure into the information in step 2.

    So even though information is theoretically transferred faster than light, that information cannot be deciphered without sending other information slower than/at the speed of light, so in practice you cannot transmit data faster than the speed of light would allow.

    I realize my explanations may have been confusing, but unfortunately I struggle with some of the concepts myself, so it's difficult for me to explain them. However, if you learn a little more about quantum mechanics, I think it'll become clear that a lot of the ideas in your post aren't really possible (at least, as far as our current understanding of quantum mechanics goes).
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  79. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing I use my limbs for is playing video games.

  80. Re:aw right, i get to make a back to the future re by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

    I just did. I'm such a redundant idiot.

  81. This is some strange, and very old, news... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    It heard about this kind of experiments being successfully done years ago. And then it was also about simple games, like moving a pad of some kind. Maybe this time, news agencies will remember they reported about it though, although I don't expect them to. In a few years, we'll probably see "significant advancements" when they play Tetris directly via a brain even if that's just three commands, rotate, left, right. :-P

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  82. Red Dwarf by taibhse · · Score: 1

    I'm suprised no one had mentioned "Red Dwarf: Better Than Life"...you should all turn in your nerd badges right now.

  83. The mind as digital data by devnevyn · · Score: 1

    This is the idea put forth in the scifi The Golden Age by John C Wright. It is a really, really recommended read, and his ideas and visions are really mind-boggling.

  84. Lag? by witcomb · · Score: 1

    How can lag be an excuse?

    Oh, you mean network lag ...

  85. Re:Verse the Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The virtual world of the Matrix would actually work in reverse of this "learning theory". Instead of trying to have the User emulate actions/resposes by learning how to control them, the world itself takes the actual brain signals produced for a certain actions, and creates an appropriate biofeedback result. In essence, this extreme virtual reality must create an environment that is ultimately "real" to the subject; any failure lies not in the subject's inability to manipulate his/her virtual self, but in the inherent non-believeability of the virtual world. Hence, the first version of the Matrix, a virtual paradise, was rejected by the human brain. Not "imperfect" enough to fool "us" (yet).

  86. Similar results & research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been lots of reports in the last 5 months about the control of digital systems through direct brainwave interpretation--email, video games, prosthetics, etc. The Air Force and Duke U. have had monkeys flying flight simulators by thought for 1-2 yrs now. Their work has been the result of interpretation of understood wave patterns for arm and hand movement, and not requiring the "training" the UW subjects needed for playing pong. The target system would mimic a mechanical response the subject is already familiar i.e. arm hand movement.

    But this success so far has only been acheived intrusively, by putting a hole in the subject's head and directly accessing the brain to capture EM activity. The real problem now is interpretting the brainactivity through the skull, scalp and hair. With the many amputies coming back from war, a great deal of effort is being made to develop these type of systems for control of prosthetic limbs in hope of improving quality of life for these soldiers...but to do it without putting more holes in their heads. The goal is to have such a system functioning within the next year or two.
    http://www.angelfire.com/az3/newzone/mku.html
    http://www.actlab.utexas.edu/~magsig/pinecone.htm
    http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/2003/Brain-Imp lant-Read10nov03.htm

  87. Next 20-50 years by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

    This stuff is reall amazing. I think of what they are doing now as what computing was in the 40s and 50s. The next 20-50 years we are going to see some pretty amazing stuff going on.
    If now is the "digital age" I'd say fifty years from now will be the "bio age" or some other stupid buzz phrase like that. Regardless it will be really interesting to see what develops. Also it will be a lot less clear-cut ethically and morally than the digital revolution. Machines are one thing, but playing around with genes and biomechanical interfaces are in a totally different realm.

    Still what will be able to be done is going to change a lot of people's lives.
    Think of taking somebody like Steven Hawkings and plugging his brain into a computer and put him in one of these (no, not the trumpet robot...scroll down halfway).
    Pong today...Robot "leg-chairs" and voice generation tomorrow. The real boon will be when they figure out how to produce tactile feebback to accompany the control mechanisms.
    For someone with a "locked-in" syndrome like ALS this would do wonders.

    Almost makes me want to go do a CS/Neuroscience PhD or something like that after I finish med school. Well...almost, but I think I'll stick to the straight doctoring. I'm 7 years from now when I get done I won't want to go anywhere near school for the rest of my life!

  88. Ask Sharon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isnt that essentially what they did to Sharon Apple in Macross Plus?

  89. Will my employer detect this by manifoldronin · · Score: 1

    That I'm really in a Q3A deathmatch rather than sitting idle at my desk? Or do I have to take a mind scan every morning when I come in?

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    Tyranny isn't the worst enemy of a democracy. Cynicism is.
  90. brain-keyboard interface by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Hmmm this has possibilities...

    Yes boss, I'm checking the numbers... Stupid boss.
    WHAT?
    Oh, did I think that loud? Hey look at that babe...
    WHAT?
    ARGH! Somebody shut this off!!!!

  91. Re:aw right, i get to make a back to the future re by thelenm · · Score: 1

    Awesome! Now I get to mention that the kid who says that line is none other than Elijah Wood.

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  92. Re:About time for substance by Lili+Queen+of+Darkne · · Score: 1

    Well, it's a shame (that 'we wont get to see much in the way of the exact how's and why's of the way that these things work')! Moreover, even if i tend to agreed with you on the sensitivity of intellectual property issues here, i still think there's a part of the 'technical blight' that comes from the non-willingness of some people to discuss the 'how's and why's'. Much has been published already, it's just hard to fumble through all the speculation. I'm sure http://www.digitaldissertations.com/ or maybe http://www.ieeexplore.com/ carry something interresting about this (sorry, i guess most 'scientific' papers database require membership).