It is easy to get this opinion, and get on this bandwagon, but there has to be a balance between time spent learning a languge, and the value of the solutions provided. Not everything needs a jackhammer, some things need a regular hammer, and some things just a thumb. Use the tool for the job, and then replace it when it is cost effective to do so. Such as when the long term cost has a high expected return on investment.
There is something to be said for easy to deploy but comparatively crappy solutions. There is a reason Pizza delivery services don't hire racecar drivers, nor build racecars. There is also a reason your typical delivery driver doesn't drive a brand new vehicle.
We should be making it clearer when a teenage using a trendy solution is the most cost effective, and when it more cost effective to hire a programmer fluent in a more powerful language. The former is a short term experiment to get a service off the ground. The latter is a scalable, dependable, and efficient solution for larger scale deployments.
The other thing these languages need is exportable data, and exportable UIs. We don't want to lock companies in to poor solutions while providing an "onramp" to grow the market.
1. $313 every paycheck (313 * 26) is about $8k, not $7,500.
2. I'm paying in about $4,000 tax, and not getting any of that back. Standard deductible. My refund is what I pay in excess of $4,000. So yeah, taxes will be cut. Along with whatever my $4,000 in taxes is actually paying for, like roads and schools. Also, the national debt.
3. $7,500 is a crappy dividend. Welfare is about $12,000 per
year.
4. I wouldn't actually be recieving a $7,500 dividend, I would be recieving a $4,000 or 100% tax cut.
When I bought Microsoft Office 2010, it was 150/3, or $50 per PC. Not too much more expensive than the annual license is now, and the $150 is perpetual.
I suppose The $100 subscription is better if you have a variety of devices (Apple, Android, Windows), and/or more than three devices. Or you have need to update your Office Software regularly for some reason.
I'd say so. Not like Slashdot is a multimillion dollar company with a massive labor force geared towards the user experience.
As soon as I saw this iPhone 7 was affected following the upgrade to iOS 11, I searched for the option to turn that feature off. I can confirm it is present in 11.2.
I was right there with you, until you rebuked a complaint about java. That morning cup of Joe is sacred, and must be treated as such.
But seriously, while it may be a first world problem, both the coffee and the method of viewing YouTube, it is something to complain about. Let's not allow ourselves to regress to a third world status by failing to speak up when things are not up to par. Let's just keep it in perspective. A bad cup of coffee is not the end of the world, it is hardly even a bad day. Likewise not being able to use a premium service on a non-premium device is not a bad day, it is a lost customer for both companies.
Your walls of text are getting longer and longer, and harder and harder to follow. After spending too much time reading them I fond they are at least 50% nonsense.
The profit difference between a robot and a human worker does not typically get reinvested into human workers. This profit is absorbed at the shareholder or C-level, and further widens the wage gap. A tax doesn't protect the working class, but it does slow down that shift to automation to allow the market to catch up, which is what the tax is intended to do.
$29k becomes $29k take home? The first two digits of my take home has never been the same as the first two digits of gross. Much less has the net ever been higher than the gross.
Finally, I the taxes I have paid in have probably averaged $4,000 annually thus far, and I am considered to be at least double the poverty line. I have never paid $6.5k, much less $7.5k in taxes in any year, so where would that $6.5k to $7.5k dividend come from? What am I going to be paying in taxes on each pay stub to get that kind of "refund"? Are my taxes for the year simply going to double? Or am I going to be below the taxable income bracket?
What world are you living in? Linux software hasnâ(TM)t ballooned so much that 5GB of RAM is anemic. 5GB should be plenty for even the heaviest Linux distributions.
Also, I donâ(TM)t think the sata sets, outside of web pages, have really increased that much either. Iâ(TM)ve been able to run on 4GB of RAM for a decade.
That means the ratio of an individual's wages earned from employment to the cost of goods produced by employment-displacing technology decreases
This is one of your biggest errors.
A tax wouldn't reduce an employee's earnings ratio. A tax would weaken the employer's position at the bargaining table. The employer can't simply say, take less or I will replace you with a machine, which would reduce the economic hit.
It is the lowest bidder which sets the economic value. The lowest bidder being the machine, thus the earnings ratio is set to be that of the machine. Beyond that value adds are discussed, such as name recognition and the human element. Things that don't generate enough revenue to sustain a human being, but could tip the scales against a machine for the same quality and quantity of work. Taxes don't lead to a recession, wild changes in taxes do. As long as those taxes are distributed fairly and predictably to budget against, it will all sort itself out in the free market.
And jobs and consumer buying power are intrinsically linked. Saying jobs are produced by consumer buying power is ignoring the other half of the equation. Which is that the wage earnings ratio and supply and demand of workers to jobs ratio, determines that buying power. A human must haggle upwards to gain buying power. A human must also bid against the machine, which does not require buying power. Thus the human is haggling at a distinct disadvantage to the machine. A tax would add an artificial "buying power" bid to the machine, to better equalize the man and the machine. Allowing production costs to drop slowly, while workers retrain for other fields.
You claim that a Universal Dividend would reduce taxes across the board. To be reasonable in size to be effective, it would have to eliminate taxes for all but the upper classes, the top 3%. $10k to $15k annually. Otherwise it is a welfare system which is given to those who earn less than the dividend.
Then comes the question of how to pay for this "Universal Dividend". To pay for it you would have to institute a "Universal Dividend" tax to redistribute the GDP evenly.
Now I suppose what you could do is tack on a capitalist system on top of a socialist one. Let the government tax the GDP, to create this Universal Dividend, then pay it out, then tax the payout to give the government its cut, then mail the remainder of the payout to the citizens. Citizens would then be employed for the difference between their dividend and what their current salary is, which would be taxed along the lines of the current rules. Meaning that the tax brackets would be lowered by the amount of the Universal Dividend.
So it seems we're both in agreement that automation isn't the technical end to jobs, but rather a threat of rapid progress leaving so many people behind before anyone can catch their balance that our economy collapses from extreme temporary unemployment. Is that right?
Might be all we agree on thus far.
For, one, I'm not convinced America as a whole is wealthier and better off.
Market forces are a complex thing, and economies are misleading. Short term gains and short term stability do not necessarily provide a strong foundation for future markets.
Additionally, numbers can be skewed by various and sundry things. America has been recovering from the last recession. Trying to find a new baseline between bubbles and crashes. America may be better off than it was during the recession, but that doesn't mean it is better off than it was before the last bubble and recession. And the Baltimore situation may have slowed the growth in the economy, as opposed to contributing to growth.
Finally, a Universal Dividend doesn't slow down the advance of progress, nor does it guarantee the long term value or sustainability of that dividend. Thus a Universal Dividend is what, a welfare state transitioning to a socialist state? A Universal Dividend is an effort to console and placate, to ward off revolution and war from those who have been betrayed and abandoned. Or at the very least a hands off fingers crossed hope that the problem will resolve itself, and not simply get worse with the reduced motivation to fix it.
Perhaps a tax on automation would be better. Tax it to reduce the benefits and slow it down, and require by law that those taxes be spent in communities to redevelop them in the wake of lost jobs and "expired" investments. The concern would be balancing responsibility and investment with a reasonable expection of ROI on those taxes.
We have to either plan to sustain a capitalist economy, or transition into another world system. A capitalist economy requires work for human labor which has a return on investment. Which means the work has to provide value worth more than the cost of sustaining a human life, and be within the realm of the average human cognitive physical ability, and outside the realm of reasonable automation.
Try 2017. This happens to me regularly with specific games. While it isn't as common an occurrence since sound output became software driven, it still happens. Usually because there is a big difference in DirectX versions between the game and host OS, in either direction.
Now imagine that $150 shirt dropped to $15 due to progress. Now imagine it dropped again to $5 due to progress.
Now imagine that you can't afford a $5 shirt because only one in one-hundred are employed to babysit a machine to manufacture the shirt.
Imagine the economy as a heartbeat monitor. Spike goes up, means profit. Spike drops means employment and pay. Now imagine overall pay drops down to $5 along with the production costs. There simply isn't enough work to keep money circulating to afford the goods being sold, so the economy flatlines.
What you are saying is what once put $3,500 into the economy, now only puts $500 into the economy.
Of course a lower cost equals a greater volume, so there is additional math required to gauge the difference.
But this ignores the question I asked, which is what are we doing to increase paid labor. Not what are we doing to reduce paid labor to make products more affordable for the few still employed.
What do we need or want anymore that requires any amount of human labor anymore to drive an economy? I don't have any ideas that would employ any one body, much less 7 billion bodies.
We are in a race against automation. Keeping new jobs coming, and the education facilities teaching and training and humanity adapting at a fast enough rate to keep ahead of the loss of jobs due to automation. And automation itself is currently a thriving field with a lot of innovation and a lot of energy, and a lot of demand. Like a cancer or parasite consuming its host.
How does one come to own shares of robot factories, or own robots? Sure now at the transitionary period, we have the ability to buy and prepare, but as each generation erodes their livelihoods through mistakes, what is the mechanism to recover once one no longer has any robots or shares, or even the minimum one needs to provide basic survival necessities?
The forethought, restraint, and financial planning required to maintain sustainability in a capitalistic system that is post-employment/post-job creating, just doesn't exist in the human element at large.
If you can write Microsoft SQL, Oracle SQL, AutoIT, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell and Bash scripts, create, deploy, and troubleshoot GPOs, maintain the antivirus solution and detect and report false negatives, deploy and maintain virtualization infrastructure, manage DNS, troubleshoot email issues, and troubleshoot phone wriring, that nets you an extra $10k.
Well, since you asked. I remember the days of pop-under ads which had activeX drive by code, or focus stealing, or javascript heavy code that locked up the browser. I remember racing to close new tabs before they could load and crash my session. So lets give the bad guys a head start.
There is enough possibility left open, that RTFS doesn't quite discredit the implication I suggested. This was added to ENOS during a time when someone in China had a full backdoor into Nortel's systems, which apparently went undetected until 2004, and was not fully detected at least until 2012.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/n...
This might have been requested by HP, as another commenter suggested elsewhere, and then incompetence spread it to equipment beyond the requester's equipment. Or it could have been compromised code planted by the hackers, hiding it as HP requested code. Yet another option is that this was code intended for HP equipment, which the hackers then approved for non-HP equipment.
We also don't know if any of the hackers involved in the incident(s) from 2000-2012 are employed with Lenovo. It is logical to assume they would have valuable expertise and skills.
Just got to catch these guys before the garbage gets hauled off. My brother had a nice Voodoo back when Voodoo was a thing. Sold it as a used high end card to a prospective buyer. Dude threw the machine away and came in the shop wanting to buy another.
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It is easy to get this opinion, and get on this bandwagon, but there has to be a balance between time spent learning a languge, and the value of the solutions provided. Not everything needs a jackhammer, some things need a regular hammer, and some things just a thumb. Use the tool for the job, and then replace it when it is cost effective to do so. Such as when the long term cost has a high expected return on investment.
There is something to be said for easy to deploy but comparatively crappy solutions. There is a reason Pizza delivery services don't hire racecar drivers, nor build racecars. There is also a reason your typical delivery driver doesn't drive a brand new vehicle.
We should be making it clearer when a teenage using a trendy solution is the most cost effective, and when it more cost effective to hire a programmer fluent in a more powerful language. The former is a short term experiment to get a service off the ground. The latter is a scalable, dependable, and efficient solution for larger scale deployments.
The other thing these languages need is exportable data, and exportable UIs. We don't want to lock companies in to poor solutions while providing an "onramp" to grow the market.
All that adds up to B.S.
1. $313 every paycheck (313 * 26) is about $8k, not $7,500.
2. I'm paying in about $4,000 tax, and not getting any of that back. Standard deductible. My refund is what I pay in excess of $4,000. So yeah, taxes will be cut. Along with whatever my $4,000 in taxes is actually paying for, like roads and schools. Also, the national debt.
3. $7,500 is a crappy dividend. Welfare is about $12,000 per year.
4. I wouldn't actually be recieving a $7,500 dividend, I would be recieving a $4,000 or 100% tax cut.
When I bought Microsoft Office 2010, it was 150/3, or $50 per PC. Not too much more expensive than the annual license is now, and the $150 is perpetual.
I suppose The $100 subscription is better if you have a variety of devices (Apple, Android, Windows), and/or more than three devices. Or you have need to update your Office Software regularly for some reason.
I'd say so. Not like Slashdot is a multimillion dollar company with a massive labor force geared towards the user experience.
As soon as I saw this iPhone 7 was affected following the upgrade to iOS 11, I searched for the option to turn that feature off. I can confirm it is present in 11.2.
Just like if you are paying for AT&T phone service, you can't hook up a modem, much less third party modem. https://www.google.com/amp/s/a...
I was right there with you, until you rebuked a complaint about java. That morning cup of Joe is sacred, and must be treated as such.
But seriously, while it may be a first world problem, both the coffee and the method of viewing YouTube, it is something to complain about. Let's not allow ourselves to regress to a third world status by failing to speak up when things are not up to par. Let's just keep it in perspective. A bad cup of coffee is not the end of the world, it is hardly even a bad day. Likewise not being able to use a premium service on a non-premium device is not a bad day, it is a lost customer for both companies.
Your walls of text are getting longer and longer, and harder and harder to follow. After spending too much time reading them I fond they are at least 50% nonsense.
The profit difference between a robot and a human worker does not typically get reinvested into human workers. This profit is absorbed at the shareholder or C-level, and further widens the wage gap. A tax doesn't protect the working class, but it does slow down that shift to automation to allow the market to catch up, which is what the tax is intended to do.
$29k becomes $29k take home? The first two digits of my take home has never been the same as the first two digits of gross. Much less has the net ever been higher than the gross.
Finally, I the taxes I have paid in have probably averaged $4,000 annually thus far, and I am considered to be at least double the poverty line. I have never paid $6.5k, much less $7.5k in taxes in any year, so where would that $6.5k to $7.5k dividend come from? What am I going to be paying in taxes on each pay stub to get that kind of "refund"? Are my taxes for the year simply going to double? Or am I going to be below the taxable income bracket?
It is a simple toggle switch in the settings. "Smart Quotes". Users just have to find it, and switch it to the off position.
Be fancy, or be functional. The iPhone on iOS 11 can't do both.
Checking to see if I have successfully disabled that feature in my iPhone.
Don't fail me now.
So iOS 11 uses unicode apostrophes. How annoying. Another reason to stay on 10.2...
What world are you living in? Linux software hasnâ(TM)t ballooned so much that 5GB of RAM is anemic. 5GB should be plenty for even the heaviest Linux distributions.
Also, I donâ(TM)t think the sata sets, outside of web pages, have really increased that much either. Iâ(TM)ve been able to run on 4GB of RAM for a decade.
That means the ratio of an individual's wages earned from employment to the cost of goods produced by employment-displacing technology decreases This is one of your biggest errors.
A tax wouldn't reduce an employee's earnings ratio. A tax would weaken the employer's position at the bargaining table. The employer can't simply say, take less or I will replace you with a machine, which would reduce the economic hit.
It is the lowest bidder which sets the economic value. The lowest bidder being the machine, thus the earnings ratio is set to be that of the machine. Beyond that value adds are discussed, such as name recognition and the human element. Things that don't generate enough revenue to sustain a human being, but could tip the scales against a machine for the same quality and quantity of work. Taxes don't lead to a recession, wild changes in taxes do. As long as those taxes are distributed fairly and predictably to budget against, it will all sort itself out in the free market.
And jobs and consumer buying power are intrinsically linked. Saying jobs are produced by consumer buying power is ignoring the other half of the equation. Which is that the wage earnings ratio and supply and demand of workers to jobs ratio, determines that buying power. A human must haggle upwards to gain buying power. A human must also bid against the machine, which does not require buying power. Thus the human is haggling at a distinct disadvantage to the machine. A tax would add an artificial "buying power" bid to the machine, to better equalize the man and the machine. Allowing production costs to drop slowly, while workers retrain for other fields.
You claim that a Universal Dividend would reduce taxes across the board. To be reasonable in size to be effective, it would have to eliminate taxes for all but the upper classes, the top 3%. $10k to $15k annually. Otherwise it is a welfare system which is given to those who earn less than the dividend.
Then comes the question of how to pay for this "Universal Dividend". To pay for it you would have to institute a "Universal Dividend" tax to redistribute the GDP evenly.
Now I suppose what you could do is tack on a capitalist system on top of a socialist one. Let the government tax the GDP, to create this Universal Dividend, then pay it out, then tax the payout to give the government its cut, then mail the remainder of the payout to the citizens. Citizens would then be employed for the difference between their dividend and what their current salary is, which would be taxed along the lines of the current rules. Meaning that the tax brackets would be lowered by the amount of the Universal Dividend.
So it seems we're both in agreement that automation isn't the technical end to jobs, but rather a threat of rapid progress leaving so many people behind before anyone can catch their balance that our economy collapses from extreme temporary unemployment. Is that right?
Might be all we agree on thus far.
For, one, I'm not convinced America as a whole is wealthier and better off.
Market forces are a complex thing, and economies are misleading. Short term gains and short term stability do not necessarily provide a strong foundation for future markets.
Additionally, numbers can be skewed by various and sundry things. America has been recovering from the last recession. Trying to find a new baseline between bubbles and crashes. America may be better off than it was during the recession, but that doesn't mean it is better off than it was before the last bubble and recession. And the Baltimore situation may have slowed the growth in the economy, as opposed to contributing to growth.
Finally, a Universal Dividend doesn't slow down the advance of progress, nor does it guarantee the long term value or sustainability of that dividend. Thus a Universal Dividend is what, a welfare state transitioning to a socialist state? A Universal Dividend is an effort to console and placate, to ward off revolution and war from those who have been betrayed and abandoned. Or at the very least a hands off fingers crossed hope that the problem will resolve itself, and not simply get worse with the reduced motivation to fix it.
Perhaps a tax on automation would be better. Tax it to reduce the benefits and slow it down, and require by law that those taxes be spent in communities to redevelop them in the wake of lost jobs and "expired" investments. The concern would be balancing responsibility and investment with a reasonable expection of ROI on those taxes.
We have to either plan to sustain a capitalist economy, or transition into another world system. A capitalist economy requires work for human labor which has a return on investment. Which means the work has to provide value worth more than the cost of sustaining a human life, and be within the realm of the average human cognitive physical ability, and outside the realm of reasonable automation.
ReactOS is probably a good benchmark for how close WINE is to 100%.
Try 2017. This happens to me regularly with specific games. While it isn't as common an occurrence since sound output became software driven, it still happens. Usually because there is a big difference in DirectX versions between the game and host OS, in either direction.
The concern is that automation is unregulated, and thus advancing more rapidly than the human workforce can adapt.
Remember: tools don't get paid; humans do. Human work commodity is time.
Exactly.
And the wages of human labor is what currently determines quality of life. It needs to be regulated, respected, and protected.
We're talking past each other.
Now imagine that $150 shirt dropped to $15 due to progress. Now imagine it dropped again to $5 due to progress.
Now imagine that you can't afford a $5 shirt because only one in one-hundred are employed to babysit a machine to manufacture the shirt.
Imagine the economy as a heartbeat monitor. Spike goes up, means profit. Spike drops means employment and pay. Now imagine overall pay drops down to $5 along with the production costs. There simply isn't enough work to keep money circulating to afford the goods being sold, so the economy flatlines.
What you are saying is what once put $3,500 into the economy, now only puts $500 into the economy.
Of course a lower cost equals a greater volume, so there is additional math required to gauge the difference.
But this ignores the question I asked, which is what are we doing to increase paid labor. Not what are we doing to reduce paid labor to make products more affordable for the few still employed.
What do we need or want anymore that requires any amount of human labor anymore to drive an economy? I don't have any ideas that would employ any one body, much less 7 billion bodies.
We are in a race against automation. Keeping new jobs coming, and the education facilities teaching and training and humanity adapting at a fast enough rate to keep ahead of the loss of jobs due to automation. And automation itself is currently a thriving field with a lot of innovation and a lot of energy, and a lot of demand. Like a cancer or parasite consuming its host.
How does one come to own shares of robot factories, or own robots? Sure now at the transitionary period, we have the ability to buy and prepare, but as each generation erodes their livelihoods through mistakes, what is the mechanism to recover once one no longer has any robots or shares, or even the minimum one needs to provide basic survival necessities?
The forethought, restraint, and financial planning required to maintain sustainability in a capitalistic system that is post-employment/post-job creating, just doesn't exist in the human element at large.
That is $50,00 a year median.
If you can write Microsoft SQL, Oracle SQL, AutoIT, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell and Bash scripts, create, deploy, and troubleshoot GPOs, maintain the antivirus solution and detect and report false negatives, deploy and maintain virtualization infrastructure, manage DNS, troubleshoot email issues, and troubleshoot phone wriring, that nets you an extra $10k.
Well, since you asked. I remember the days of pop-under ads which had activeX drive by code, or focus stealing, or javascript heavy code that locked up the browser. I remember racing to close new tabs before they could load and crash my session. So lets give the bad guys a head start.
There is enough possibility left open, that RTFS doesn't quite discredit the implication I suggested. This was added to ENOS during a time when someone in China had a full backdoor into Nortel's systems, which apparently went undetected until 2004, and was not fully detected at least until 2012. http://www.zdnet.com/article/n...
This might have been requested by HP, as another commenter suggested elsewhere, and then incompetence spread it to equipment beyond the requester's equipment. Or it could have been compromised code planted by the hackers, hiding it as HP requested code. Yet another option is that this was code intended for HP equipment, which the hackers then approved for non-HP equipment.
We also don't know if any of the hackers involved in the incident(s) from 2000-2012 are employed with Lenovo. It is logical to assume they would have valuable expertise and skills.
So, around about 2002, Nortel got hacked by hackers in China. This hack was not completely dealt with for at least ten years.
So,... How was this vulnerability discovered? Could it have been "discovered" by its creator?
Just got to catch these guys before the garbage gets hauled off. My brother had a nice Voodoo back when Voodoo was a thing. Sold it as a used high end card to a prospective buyer. Dude threw the machine away and came in the shop wanting to buy another.