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Wine 3.0 Released (softpedia.com)
prisoninmate shares a report from Softpedia: The Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) project has been updated today to version 3.0, a major release that ends 2017 in style for the open-source compatibility layer capable of running Windows apps and games on Linux-based and UNIX-like operating systems. Almost a year in the works, Wine 3.0 comes with amazing new features like an Android driver that lets users run Windows apps and games on Android-powered machines, Direct3D 11 support enabled by default for AMD Radeon and Intel GPUs, AES encryption support on macOS, Progman DDE support, and a task scheduler. In addition, Wine 3.0 introduces the ability to export registry entries with the reg.exe tool, adds various enhancements to the relay debugging and OLE data cache, as well as an extra layer of event support in MSHTML, Microsoft's proprietary HTML layout engine for the Windows version of the Internet Explorer web browser. You can read the full list of features and download Wine 3.0 from WineHQ's website.
The Wine people have done a fantastic job, and do not get enough credit.
I'm off to play some GTA Vice City under Wine on Mint.
First law of people: People are generally stupid.
Game crash in Windows:
- full system lockup
- hard reboot
- inevitable data loss
- no recourse
Game crash in Wine:
- laugh at the foolishness of Microsoft slaves
- kill Wine and restart it
Any?
Yes, you prioritize that which most applications actually used by users need the most. That is good.
But I still would like to see at least *one* version be at 100%, so I can be certain that (ignoring bugs), *everything* will work. WinXP would spring to mind.
Someone tell them that it's 2018 please.
Can it run Widevine-enabled browsers on FreeBSD yet? Streaming videos are the only thing keeping me on Windows.
At that point, why not just run Windows in VirtualBox or something?
Obligatory I'm waiting for version 3.11 post..
WINE is in fact an emulator. An emulator is a thing that emulates the behavior of another thing. The word isn't specific to what you emulate or how you do it.
WINE is the worst retconned recrusive backronym I've ever seen.
Another alternative to prevent games from crashing the OS all the time is to upgrade from Windows 95. Either that or stop spouting outdated notions of what life is like running Windows.
Game crash in Windows:
- full system lockup
- hard reboot
1996 called. They want their Microsoft dig back...and if you still have it, that Sublime CD you borrowed.
I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
If running Windows is normal, I'll be abnormal forever.
Once upon a time, running Windows put you at risk of getting adware and spyware. Now the OS itself is literally both.
But I still have two Windows executables I want to run but can't recompile to run on a free OS.
So Wine is still relevant.
Adobe CC is the only reason I still have Windows. If there's a way to get it to run on Wine 3.0, it's bye-bye M$. It *almost* ran on the previous version.
I should be specific. I could live with just Lightroom and Photoshop. A stretch goal would be Premiere.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
When they decide to provide APIs and document them for Windows developers they'll have something. In the meantime it's just 20+ years worth of some Windows software that sort of works on Linux. Not worth the trouble.
You mean like us old-timers did when developing for Windows 3.11?
Install OS/2, put Windows under it and laugh all the way.
From my limited experience: if it comes to older Windows applications, the chances to get something to run properly might actually be higher under Wine than under a current Windows, and that was already true before 3.0. (And if something doesn't run, as was already said, there's still Virtual Box, VMware etc.)
You're looking for ReactOS.
No USB, so no thanks.
Awesome FPS? Sorry, I'm a grown up.
Sadly, I just had my Windows 10 totally fsck on me a few days ago.
In this particular instance, the "lock up" was because the game takes over full-screen mode and for whatever reason the game became unresponsive. I did CTRL-ALT-DEL and it gave me the options screen for logout/taskmanager/etc but even when starting the task manager the screen just went back to the game and the task manager was inaccessible. ALT-TAB would show the task manager running, but when selected Windows auto-switched right back to the game. The result was, after trying literally everything possible to kill the process from within, I had to force a reboot to finally get out of it.
I have never had a similar experience on Ubuntu, though I've had my share of other bad experiences there too so I'm in no way a fan-boi for that OS.
Unactivated Windows 10 is actually pretty usable. I run it in Parallels Desktop on my Macbook.
My cup runneth over!11!
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
The one piece of Windows-only software I'd like to run, sadly, requires Java, and WINE still doesn't, apparently, allow you to install Java under it. Guess I'll just have to try Windows XP in a virtual machine.
When I talked to the ReactOS people (admittedly over a decade ago, now) they said if it wouldn't run under Wine, not to expect it to run under ReactOS.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
So you're saying that now my Android phone will run Windows x86 software that a Windows phone can't? Got it!
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
that is only 5 layers of abstraction for an x86 virus to run on my DEC Alpha
Assuming the game even loads in Wine...
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
I have had that too but it is easy to work around. Create a new local account that is an admin account and then download process explorer and extract/copy it to the desktop of said user. Then when the game acts up, switch users, start process explorer (procexp64 unless you are still on a 32 bit OS for some reason), go to File then choose show details for all processes and accept the UAC elevation prompt, then kill the game. Finally switch back to your main user.
Or just use kmspico, problem solved.
If only Blizzard would get their heads out of their asses I could get rid of Windows AND Wine. Oh well, until then my guild and I send love and praise to the WINE team. Y'all are life savers!
Isn't everything not working a bug these days?
Or are some of them still features?
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
in ways you don't understand.
you buy a continuation of a 1996 product fork
i am running Specter gui ontop of Quarterdeck memmory manager, inside a window under Wine//Norton Desktop.
come at me Arachne browser bro, I ain't even mad as Dr Solomon AV.
I guess Windows is fine because a broken game can only destroy a user session, assuming you thought of it ahead of time and did your workaround prework.
Meanwhile, in Linux, you just like pkill the problem.
Absolutely. I can't remember at exactly which version, but I found that after one upgrade to Wine suddenly a crapload of my windows games started to "just work". What's more, they would often run better under Wine than a native windows OS (or in some cases wouldn't install on a modern Windows at all).
Nicely done!
Try 2017. This happens to me regularly with specific games. While it isn't as common an occurrence since sound output became software driven, it still happens. Usually because there is a big difference in DirectX versions between the game and host OS, in either direction.
ReactOS is probably a good benchmark for how close WINE is to 100%.
The comments below the article are from 7 and 2 months ago... how does that work ?
Wine is an emulator. Discuss.
If you run an operating system from a software vendor that rarely produces its own hardware that is installed on billions of devices that interface with the OS through drivers not written by the software vendor, this kind of crap will happen.
Look at Apple. Even though they have absolute control over the hardware their OS runs on and have more money than God they are now producing devices on such a massive scale with hardware produced by so many subcontractors that even they have similar issues with their own OS.
Apple, in the early Steve Jobs return era, hit the sweet spot between producing the hardware and software necessary to make many of their computers and devices âoejust workâ. Do to economies of scale there will never again be a time when Apple can produce hardware and software with that kind of synergy unless youâ(TM)re cool with joining a yearâ(TM)s long wait list for what will then be long outdated hardware.
I have had this occur with a couple of heavily modded games. I just set my task manager up to 'always on top' which allows it to be accessible in the locked up game.
Donald Trump, on a crusade to make Nixon look respectable
Sublime CD you borrowed
Fuck me, that sent me back.
The latest status for Roblox support was "garbage": "The server will disconnect you since Roblox virtualizes and encrypts their code through VMProtect. No possible way around this with the current version of Wine. "
Source: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9392
I wonder if Wine 3.0 improves on this in any way.
and if you still have it, that Sublime CD you borrowed.
Since when does Sublime come on CD-ROM?
(I don't practice Santeri'a either.)
I'd give them the cd back, except that it was in the cupholder of my window10 box when it locked up playing starcraft2.
why not just run Windows in VirtualBox
Because commercial use of the VirtualBox extension pack for more than 30 days requires paying $5,000 to One Rich American Called Larry Ellison. (This breaks down as $50 per user with a minimum order quantity of 100 users.) I'd be interested to read about your workarounds for the missing features of VirtualBox that are provided only by the extension pack.
or something
Three reasons. First, Linux + Wine uses less RAM than Linux + Windows would. If I end up thrashing swap despite having maxed out the RAM in my laptop, I'd have to buy a whole new laptop. Second, a Windows license costs $119.99. Third, Windows 10 snitches on users even when telemetry is set to basic, sending a list of all installed applications and device drivers to the mothership.
ReactOS's user environment is Wine. As I understand it, the most significant theoretical advantage of ReactOS over Wine on X11/Linux is ability to run apps that depend on bespoke drivers, such as the client for updating a GPS device, fitness tracker, or iProduct. If Linux supports your hardware, you're probably better off sticking with the more mature operating environment.
That's true of applications that fit within the constraints of 100% Pure Java. Many do not and must therefore use JNI to access platform features that Oracle has not exposed through the Java standard library. For instance, does Java have native joystick support without a third-party native component such as JInput?
2 year-old game. Still doesn't run properly under Wine. Move along.
At that point, why not just run Windows in VirtualBox or something?
VirtualBox doesn't support anything better than DirectX 9 and OpenGL 3.x.
At least VMare Workstation at least gets you to DirectX 10 and OpenGL 4.0, but you'll have to get out your wallet.
Ill bet that 50% of Windows apps still crash and refuse to run at all on Wine. I doubt that many Wine users care about android, and would rather more advances had been made toward supporting 99% of windows apps (Windows Desktop apps on a phone, good god).
Cool story, but that isn't Windows locking up. The operating system is still working fine. Rather, that is just a crappy application that rudely keeps pushing itself to the top. That is just poor coding.
You could have tried Windows-Tabbing (like Alt-tab but using the Windows key) and then using your mouse to click the close gadget of the thumbnail while you hold down the tab. I haven't needed to test what happens when you do this to a non-responsive application so I can't say for sure whether this works.
Still, this problem does show that launching Task Manager from Ctrl-Alt-Delete menu should act as a top-level interface above all other processes in the same way that the "Lock, Switch user, Sign out, etc" menu works above all applications.
...assuming anyone really wants to run Windows XP nowadays.
VirtualBox feels like abandonware that's slowly bit-rotting, though I will say it still has the best UI of any VM software I've tried. Still, various issues accumulated since Oracle's acquisition and general neglect eventually led to me trying alternatives, and VMWare's the first one I tried.
From what I saw of it, I have to say, VMWare's a great product when it works, but unfortunately it's broken more often than not in my experience. I tried multiple times, and every time it caused system instability because it wasn't compatible with any kernel over 4.9, which made it a non-starter since 4.10 and up have Ryzen-related patches that I need.
Finally gave up on both and went with qemu+kvm. Not as slick but pretty solid and, as a bonus, supports PCI-e passthrough, which is fairly limited in VBox and requires ESXi to do it with VMWare.
Can't tell if trolling or ignorant. Linux has its fair share of viruses, including Arches, Pilot, and systemd.
So much flak for an open source product that is able to run nearly everything i throw at it (after some tweaking)... Is this windows hate by proxy?
I remember the ancient days when Wine really excelled at running notepad.exe. Over the first few years, I had serious doubts about the project's future. But for the last few years , I have been able run substantially more - even rather complex - applications to the point that it is useful. As of the last couple releases before this, I have been downright impressed by the number of application I have been able to run. This is even to the point where I now consider it a powerful tool. Anything that can improve on that now with hope for ongoing development is absolutely great in my book.
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If it's a full-screen game causing problems, you can usually just CTRL-ALT-ESC+click
this post contain no useful information, no need to mod it down
Cue a hundred posts about LibreOffice. Outlook 2016 is still the gold standard for shared calendaring :(
Why would you run unactivated 10 when you can make it legit with a Win 7 licence code that can be had for the price of a McDonald's lunch?
~Any apparent grammatical or typographic errors are caused by defects in your display device.
"If you run an operating system from a software vendor that rarely produces its own hardware that is installed on billions of devices that interface with the OS through drivers not written by the software vendor, this kind of crap will happen."
So what you're saying is you've never used a well designed operating system that properly abstracts hardware, memspace, etc. Might I suggest you try a mature X86 Unix variant?
~Any apparent grammatical or typographic errors are caused by defects in your display device.
If that happens again, try to start the Task Manager, and then type the name of the EXE (even if the window itself is not visible) and press DEL + ENTER.
The idea is that the Task Manager's window may not be visible for some reason, but it still has focus - so you can try to interact with it.
The saddest poem
I'm amazed at what you consider an easy work around. If this was suggested on linux, the response would be "This is why linux will never be ready for the mainstream."
And have your system get infected with viruses, lol.
Linux is immune to viruses.
Many Windows viruses can be loaded and run using WINE. YAY!
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
A retcon is exactly what it was.
When Wine began life it was explicitly an abbreviation of windows emulator.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windo...
Then the naming fairy did a 180 turn and WineHQ started pretending "windows emulator" never happened.
Is this like when KDE originally stood for "Kool Desktop Environment", but now they claim it is just "KDE" and it doesn't stand for anything because "Kool Desktop Environment" sounded to dickish?
Cane we re-write history in that manner?
It appears so. and really, who cares?
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
I've had Wine cause kernel panics before.
It's not particularly common, though. No more common than a blue screen and it's usually related to video drivers.
I have had this happen to me and was just restarting the computer. Then I realized I just need to log out of the account (on the Ctrl-Alt-Del screen) then log back in and all is good to go again.
May not work with your game but worth a try next time.
Hah! By that definition, which version of Windows has Microsoft even 100% implemented?
Seriously though, why would you want them to do this? If developers have a choice, spend time developing some barely known, barely used part of windows X that hardly anyone cares about or implement some important feature of Windows Y that will allow some popular, important application to start working... do you really want them to chose the X?
I suspect that what you really want is for YOUR favorite application to work. Have you contributed anything towards making that happen? Have you documented how it fails and submitted a review to WineHQ? Have you submitted any code to Wine yourself?
If you can't do that you could at least send a message to the authors of the program you want to run. I would buy your software if... One person will not make a difference but one person alone can't write Wine either. Imagine if all software developers tested their produce in Wine and made adjustments before releasing! Or.. they could just build native Linux versions in the first place. Whichever floats their boat...
What happens when linux apps require systemd?
Those apps usually run in freebsd under linux mode.
Where do you get Windows 7 licences for the price of a McDonald's lunch.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
That's true. Modern versions of windows fail for completely different reasons.
1. Game crashes in Windows
2. Try rebooting to see if that helps
3. Microsoft forces an update to install
4. Computer bricks and requires a complete reinstall of windows
1. and 2. being completely optional, of course.
That only works if you know what the executable name is before-hand. But that's good to know for future reference.
WINE is "WINdows Emulator". This backronym bullshit is just that: childish, lame bullshit. This is how I feel about ALL recursive acronyms. They're all stupid. If... if, IF WINE actually stood for WINE Is Not and Emulator, there's NO reason why the first letter couldn't be any other. It could (using only the English alphabet,) just as easily be "AINE" (AINE Is Not an Emulator) or "BINE" (BINE Is Not an Emulator) or "CINE" (CINE Is Not an Emulator), and so on to ZINE...
These things make the entire community look like stupid children. PINE was/is the Program for Internet News & E-mail (or whatever,) and NOT PINE Is Not Elm. (Though it happens to be true both in software and botany that pine and elm are different.) Linux is an amalgam of Linus (as in Torvalds) and UNIX; it is NOT a bloody acronym for the phrase "Linux Is Not Unix..." or again, it could just as easily be Dinux (Dinux Is Not Unix) or Einux (Einux Is Not Unix) et CETERA.
No, no, NO. Similarly, WINE does NOT (no matter how much even the maintainers and users of the software may insist,) stand for Wine Is Not an Emulator. Maybe it does to them, but I categorically refuse to play the recursive acronym game.
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
You do realize you were just trolled by Twitter, don't you? In case you can't recall Twitter trolled by calling anyone that doesn't agree with him as "astroturfers" that work for "M$." Once his main account was downmodded he created almost 20 accounts to support his main. Today his 15-20 slashdot accounts all have a starting score lower than an anonymous coward.
isn't that the default behavior for task manager, always on top? i had the same issues when a game was always on not no matter what I tried. i toggled the always on top setting for task manager (using alt+space shortcut) without success.
this does not work, the program refuses to close that way. even with dual monitors, the task manager opens on the 'blocked' monitor and refuses to move to the other one.
it happened to me with skype for business :)
It's been that way for many years now. My older games run fine on my MacBook under WINE. I can't for the life of me get them to run under Win7 or later, and I'm not real sure about Vista. Really, why bother with MSWindows anymore?
Dumper diving at the "pirate bay"...