Summary of your post: "Yay for the moron who got herself fired!" Great, we're cheering on idiots who can't tell they're annoying the crap out of all their co-workers now?
Are you actually of the belief that Democrats aren't in the Corporate pocketbook too? Wow. How much money (and corruption) does it take to become President these days?
It's not a small sum. BOTH sides are playing, and always will.
Which Party just voted to loan billions to George Soros' company to drill off the coast of Brazil for oil? Yeah...
IT has always been overhead. Those who figure out how to have IT either MAKE or SAVE company money survive, just like every other job in the company. The "magic" has worn off.
Salary earners can buy shares and be shareholders, if they're smart with their money and not morons who whine about shareholders. Has the whole world forgotten how to save and invest?
No one owes you (or me) anything. A job is a job, and if you're fired tomorrow... whining about it apparently gets you $17K NZD in this entitlement-based world where people voted other people in who'd promise such silly laws. Right to complain, sure. Right to be heard or have anyone give a crap, not really. The article sure sounds like she'd made plenty of people miserable prior to the e-mail. Why defend that? We've all had a co-worker who just needed to go away before.
The software that creates the absolute worst user experience ever, by switching to a web interface from a pretty good desktop client...... claims that technology will never get any better nor grow as it once did.
Nah, if the billing starts SOONER on Verizon, you're right... they're probably doing it wrong.
Too bad the real engineers that worked at Bell Labs actually built real standards and such for these things so we can all ignore them and not follow them years later, eh?
Thank you Democrats! Just what I always wanted to do!
I always wanted to buy my neighbor a car, after I bought a REASONABLE vehicle, with REASONABLE mileage, and have driven it for over 160,000 miles over 9 years.
No, I'm not turning it in, it runs great, and a new car payment would be IRRESPONSIBLE DEBT LOAD, something I've been avoiding since before the year 2000.
I'm driving a 100% paid-off car that gets 18 MPG. What do I get out of paying for other ass-hats to lower their mileage and drive new cars?
Fuck them.
I'm used to this crap from the mortgage bailouts.
You know, I had a moderately-sized REASONABLE house that neither appreciated nor depreciated with coastal region BS pricing (which didn't happen here because we're not that STUPID), that inflated prices and then popped -- just like ALL BUBBLES DO in history.
But you know, those people can't ADMIT they knew that... nor pay their own way out now.
I don't believe this crap that people were too stupid to think: "Hey, no house this sized is worth a half a million dollars in ANY reasonable world, not even if monkeys fly out of my ass!"...
And now I'm paying for that too. Sure, why not?
So far all I've seen out of this Democratic "Party" (party for them maybe, free shit paid for by everyone else!)'s Congress, Senate, and President are plans to make ME pay for everyone else's FUCK-UPs. All in the name of "save the Country".
Perhaps the idiots who put us in this position by purchasing $500,000 houses in Florida and California could actually PAY ME BACK someday? Bwahaha... yeah if I see THAT happen, monkeys will fly out of MY butt.
Socialism at its most insidious.
My State pays in money to the Federal Government ranked in the middle of the pack, 23rd or so. We got money back from "stimulus" as the 48th or 49th level.
That pretty much makes 20 or so states "total ass-hats" to me. And makes me wonder why my elected representatives haven't complained. You know why? If they complain, they'll get NOTHING the next time.
Hold a gun to my head, make me pay my taxes... done.
Send all that money to idiots who can't keep their OWN business in line... done.
Buy 'em houses and cars and get re-elected on my money I earned... done.
No wonder these ass-hats are popular. Maybe I should start failing miserably at my life too, so they can work hard to "earn my vote" by giving me money too...
Not sure who'd actually do the WORK then, though... maybe Alaska.
Yep, already did the ROI for solar on my house and it came out at 12 years with the best and most expensive solar panels on the market. Best I could do with panels that would be far less efficient was 10 years. Simple spreadsheet.
Now I can plug in a field for infrastructure fees and play with that.
At 10-12 years ROI before the things even start making money, they're obviously not ready for prime time unless you're a business or other special interest group getting a HUGE tax rebate.
Then your ROI drops to about 8 years, which still sucks.
The technology's not there yet. And the money to pay for development is about to be moved from solar to "cash for clunkers" anyway by the Congress, so...
My whole attitude toward solar is "Who cares?" It's not cost-effective, and the power utilized to create the panels in the first place and the chemical mess aren't even factored into my 10-12 year ROI. Factor those in, and it's not saving any planets. It's just a complex system hanging on your house adding headaches and maintenance.
A natural gas generator is smarter as a backup electrical system, if someone wants to talk about "it's a backup to the grid"... with the grid being one of the most reliable large systems ever built...
Solar is still the joke it was in the gasoline crunch of the 1970's. Only slightly less so. 10-20% improvement in almost 40 years shows it's stalled and in need of a brilliant break-through. Once that break-through happens, in today's world it's bound to be patented, trademarked, and milked for every dollar it's worth (and rightly so), meaning...
Maybe solar will make sense for the "average" home by 2030 or so.
Interesting that you know the number of people who don't have cell phones, but can't say with any certainty the number of "suffering" people who need healthcare.
This is one of my engineering-minded problems with the whole debate right now. It's a measurable number, but there aren't any real numbers that seem to have any credibility in the healthcare debate. It's all emotion and BS.
If the numbers show that more than 80% of people in the U.S. *have* adequate healthcare, and that our driving skills are so crappy that more of us die on roads every day than die of supposedly "preventable" diseases OTHER than those we ALL know about just by watching broadcast TV... then I'm swayed, we need to "fix" something.
But seriously... apply the 80/20 rule and let's go after real KILLERS in the U.S. -- Why isn't there a required SERIOUS driving test anywhere in the Country?
Let's work on FIXABLE problems if the 80/20 rule can be applied and healthcare generally works, instead of complete revamps of a system by way of a 1000-page document that no one's read, that doesn't need to be done in that sweeping a fashion.
Where's the common sense in anything we're debating in this country right now?
If you can't afford an additional 15 seconds, perhaps you simply can't afford a cell phone, idiots. No one NEEDS a cell phone. We got along JUST FINE without them for almost 100 years. No one NEEDS voice mail either. I have family members who have neither, and we get ahold of them when we truly need to, just fine...
Keep explaining it to them. They're the uneducated who've NEVER been to Europe or tried to live there on a standard European salary, but THINK they're smart enough to figure it out.
They also want to be in with the "cool" fake academics and others who have things like TENURE to protect their jobs, and don't realize the danger they play with their own employment by asking for more government intervention and costs to employers and so-called "rich" people.
There are plenty of evil bastards running companies who are "rich" but handing money to government bureaucrats who have no motive to serve at ALL, is even more evil, long-term.
What we need is a resurgence of people willing to become rich by working their asses off, and creating new and better things, who aren't greedy dickheads and have some morals.
But that's unlikely with the society turning away from institutions that teach morals, like churches, in droves.
We called the 80's the "me" society, but it's FAR worse today.
Loved your post, but the idiots who dream of "Hope and Change" clearly aren't interested in facts.
Sorry bro... we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the idiots across the Pond, methinks, because we're too STUPID to ask what works over there and what doesn't and MEASURE it for a while.
It's all about BS fear-mongering when you try to have real conversations about healthcare these days. No facts, no real numbers from anywhere the things they want to accomplish have already been done -- and failed miserably.
We can only HOPE the average American pulls their head out of their asses long enough to vote back in some kind of checks-and-balances in Congress at mid-terms... before it's gone too far. Not a "partisan" thing... just a "normal checks and balances" thing... as designed.
Probably won't happen though. Prepare to pay for nothing.
We got our taste of moronic EU regulations with RoHS, and the BS paperwork that went with it.
Not to mention the chip manufacturers promising that every chip that was converted to RoHS manufacturing methods would OF COURSE work exactly the same to the same specifications, and then watching boards not work correctly when all that was done was switch out the chips to RoHS compliant ones and solder them on with lead-free solder.
What a crock of shit. U.S. should have phased in our own similar rules with sane deadlines instead of cow-towing to RoHS so quickly.
p.s. It doesn't matter whether you hear standardized "ring tone" or a message during the call signaling phase of the call. You are NOT billed for that. The carrier could play you Monkeys Farting, and still wouldn't make a dime until the person or device picked up at the far-end.
Billing starts when the far-end connects and the telco network acknowledges that the far-end answered. Think about it.
The point of the Article is that far-end connect *is* registered when a voice mail system answers, however.
There are a number of reasons, including that older telco networks do not cut through audio, including any DTMF tones you might want to send to control the voice mail system at the far-end, until Answer Supervision is active.
From many years of working on "value added" systems inside the telco networks, AT&T's network is the best/worst about this "no audio cut-through" depending on how you look at it. They follow the original Bellcore specifications to a "T" (pun intended).
However, it causes havok today whenever a "service" system is deployed directly in a Central Office where it plugs into a #4 or Tandem long-haul backbone switch... the long-haul switches NEVER provide Answer Supervision.
That can only be done at a local switch, per the specifications.
Meanwhile, you're calling something SITTING IN THE CO that answers, but AS is blocked, therefore you can't punch any DTMF into it.
There's all SORTS of hacks in AT&T's network to get around this, including looping calls through #5ESS switches that really don't technically NEED to go there, just to get AS to go active before the device in the CO answers the call. It's a mess.
The non-Bell System carriers that came along later devised better, but not perfect, ways to deal with it and ignored a few silly laws and tariffs to accomplish it saying, "We don't know how to implement than in our new whiz-bang networks", and got away with it.
So... you definitely need to talk to folks inside telco to get the WHOLE story on billing and Answer Supervision before assuming things -- and it's a hell of a lot more complex than it looks from the outside, just like most networks and things humans build.
Messy is a huge understatement, but MOST of the time, Answer Supervision and billing work properly across all networks, thanks to the original specifications done four or five decades ago that still cover more than the 80% rule.
You are incorrect about the billing for those messages. The bill doesn't begin until far-end party connect and the delivery of Answer Supervision from the far-end carrier. Ask 'em instead of making things up.
Well of course there's a price disparity. No one NEEDS a phone, but everyone NEEDS their health.
Not sure what your point about ambulances have to do with nationalizing healthcare. We already have those.
Would you say the 80%+ of people with health coverage who are generally healthy spend more on their healthcare or their cell phones under the current system, annually? Think about it. They're very close. Not counting the costs paid by employers, just the out of pocket costs for healthcare.
Emergency calling is also a guarantee here, not sure where you are. You don't have to have a plan, just a phone that finds a network. It's illegal to block an emergency call to 911 already.
If you know any salespeople using those models in the real world to actually make sales, holler. I think I'll stick with reality instead of whatever they're teaching in schools these days.
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Her ex-boss probably thinks $17K NSD was CHEAP to get rid of her. Seriously.
Summary of your post: "Yay for the moron who got herself fired!" Great, we're cheering on idiots who can't tell they're annoying the crap out of all their co-workers now?
Are you actually of the belief that Democrats aren't in the Corporate pocketbook too? Wow. How much money (and corruption) does it take to become President these days?
It's not a small sum. BOTH sides are playing, and always will.
Which Party just voted to loan billions to George Soros' company to drill off the coast of Brazil for oil? Yeah...
Ah, Mr Brusk! I see you've met the Congressman!
IT has always been overhead. Those who figure out how to have IT either MAKE or SAVE company money survive, just like every other job in the company. The "magic" has worn off.
Salary earners can buy shares and be shareholders, if they're smart with their money and not morons who whine about shareholders. Has the whole world forgotten how to save and invest?
No one owes you (or me) anything. A job is a job, and if you're fired tomorrow... whining about it apparently gets you $17K NZD in this entitlement-based world where people voted other people in who'd promise such silly laws. Right to complain, sure. Right to be heard or have anyone give a crap, not really. The article sure sounds like she'd made plenty of people miserable prior to the e-mail. Why defend that? We've all had a co-worker who just needed to go away before.
Hippie on hippie smackdown in the desert!
Oh come on. They never say it's not about customers.
Are you kidding? Have you really run into people who said their goals were to cut costs or outsource, while they're HIRING YOU?
That'd be a much larger red flag than you're thinking.
The software that creates the absolute worst user experience ever, by switching to a web interface from a pretty good desktop client... ... claims that technology will never get any better nor grow as it once did.
Wow, that's rich.
How about minding your own garden there, big guy?
Nah, if the billing starts SOONER on Verizon, you're right... they're probably doing it wrong.
Too bad the real engineers that worked at Bell Labs actually built real standards and such for these things so we can all ignore them and not follow them years later, eh?
Sad.
Either Verizon's doing it wrong and you CAN complain to your carrier about that... or your carrier is billing it wrong.
Best way to test if it's your carrier or not. Call a real old-fashioned land-line phone with NO voice mail or answering machine on it.
Let it ring long enough to see if you get billed for 2 minutes.
If your carrier bills you for THAT call... Verizon's not at fault. Your carrier is.
If they don't... Verizon's screwing up Answer Supervision and needs to fix it.
Not only that, but you and I are paying for it.
Thank you Democrats! Just what I always wanted to do!
I always wanted to buy my neighbor a car, after I bought a REASONABLE vehicle, with REASONABLE mileage, and have driven it for over 160,000 miles over 9 years.
No, I'm not turning it in, it runs great, and a new car payment would be IRRESPONSIBLE DEBT LOAD, something I've been avoiding since before the year 2000.
I'm driving a 100% paid-off car that gets 18 MPG. What do I get out of paying for other ass-hats to lower their mileage and drive new cars?
Fuck them.
I'm used to this crap from the mortgage bailouts.
You know, I had a moderately-sized REASONABLE house that neither appreciated nor depreciated with coastal region BS pricing (which didn't happen here because we're not that STUPID), that inflated prices and then popped -- just like ALL BUBBLES DO in history.
But you know, those people can't ADMIT they knew that... nor pay their own way out now.
I don't believe this crap that people were too stupid to think: "Hey, no house this sized is worth a half a million dollars in ANY reasonable world, not even if monkeys fly out of my ass!"...
And now I'm paying for that too. Sure, why not?
So far all I've seen out of this Democratic "Party" (party for them maybe, free shit paid for by everyone else!)'s Congress, Senate, and President are plans to make ME pay for everyone else's FUCK-UPs. All in the name of "save the Country".
Perhaps the idiots who put us in this position by purchasing $500,000 houses in Florida and California could actually PAY ME BACK someday? Bwahaha... yeah if I see THAT happen, monkeys will fly out of MY butt.
Socialism at its most insidious.
My State pays in money to the Federal Government ranked in the middle of the pack, 23rd or so. We got money back from "stimulus" as the 48th or 49th level.
That pretty much makes 20 or so states "total ass-hats" to me. And makes me wonder why my elected representatives haven't complained. You know why? If they complain, they'll get NOTHING the next time.
Hold a gun to my head, make me pay my taxes... done.
Send all that money to idiots who can't keep their OWN business in line... done.
Buy 'em houses and cars and get re-elected on my money I earned... done.
No wonder these ass-hats are popular. Maybe I should start failing miserably at my life too, so they can work hard to "earn my vote" by giving me money too...
Not sure who'd actually do the WORK then, though... maybe Alaska.
Yep, already did the ROI for solar on my house and it came out at 12 years with the best and most expensive solar panels on the market. Best I could do with panels that would be far less efficient was 10 years. Simple spreadsheet.
Now I can plug in a field for infrastructure fees and play with that.
At 10-12 years ROI before the things even start making money, they're obviously not ready for prime time unless you're a business or other special interest group getting a HUGE tax rebate.
Then your ROI drops to about 8 years, which still sucks.
The technology's not there yet. And the money to pay for development is about to be moved from solar to "cash for clunkers" anyway by the Congress, so...
My whole attitude toward solar is "Who cares?" It's not cost-effective, and the power utilized to create the panels in the first place and the chemical mess aren't even factored into my 10-12 year ROI. Factor those in, and it's not saving any planets. It's just a complex system hanging on your house adding headaches and maintenance.
A natural gas generator is smarter as a backup electrical system, if someone wants to talk about "it's a backup to the grid"... with the grid being one of the most reliable large systems ever built...
Solar is still the joke it was in the gasoline crunch of the 1970's. Only slightly less so. 10-20% improvement in almost 40 years shows it's stalled and in need of a brilliant break-through. Once that break-through happens, in today's world it's bound to be patented, trademarked, and milked for every dollar it's worth (and rightly so), meaning...
Maybe solar will make sense for the "average" home by 2030 or so.
Interesting that you know the number of people who don't have cell phones, but can't say with any certainty the number of "suffering" people who need healthcare.
This is one of my engineering-minded problems with the whole debate right now. It's a measurable number, but there aren't any real numbers that seem to have any credibility in the healthcare debate. It's all emotion and BS.
If the numbers show that more than 80% of people in the U.S. *have* adequate healthcare, and that our driving skills are so crappy that more of us die on roads every day than die of supposedly "preventable" diseases OTHER than those we ALL know about just by watching broadcast TV... then I'm swayed, we need to "fix" something.
But seriously... apply the 80/20 rule and let's go after real KILLERS in the U.S. -- Why isn't there a required SERIOUS driving test anywhere in the Country?
Let's work on FIXABLE problems if the 80/20 rule can be applied and healthcare generally works, instead of complete revamps of a system by way of a 1000-page document that no one's read, that doesn't need to be done in that sweeping a fashion.
Where's the common sense in anything we're debating in this country right now?
If you can't afford an additional 15 seconds, perhaps you simply can't afford a cell phone, idiots. No one NEEDS a cell phone. We got along JUST FINE without them for almost 100 years. No one NEEDS voice mail either. I have family members who have neither, and we get ahold of them when we truly need to, just fine...
Keep explaining it to them. They're the uneducated who've NEVER been to Europe or tried to live there on a standard European salary, but THINK they're smart enough to figure it out.
They also want to be in with the "cool" fake academics and others who have things like TENURE to protect their jobs, and don't realize the danger they play with their own employment by asking for more government intervention and costs to employers and so-called "rich" people.
There are plenty of evil bastards running companies who are "rich" but handing money to government bureaucrats who have no motive to serve at ALL, is even more evil, long-term.
What we need is a resurgence of people willing to become rich by working their asses off, and creating new and better things, who aren't greedy dickheads and have some morals.
But that's unlikely with the society turning away from institutions that teach morals, like churches, in droves.
We called the 80's the "me" society, but it's FAR worse today.
Bravo. Well put, sir. Well put.
Loved your post, but the idiots who dream of "Hope and Change" clearly aren't interested in facts.
Sorry bro... we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the idiots across the Pond, methinks, because we're too STUPID to ask what works over there and what doesn't and MEASURE it for a while.
It's all about BS fear-mongering when you try to have real conversations about healthcare these days. No facts, no real numbers from anywhere the things they want to accomplish have already been done -- and failed miserably.
We can only HOPE the average American pulls their head out of their asses long enough to vote back in some kind of checks-and-balances in Congress at mid-terms... before it's gone too far. Not a "partisan" thing... just a "normal checks and balances" thing... as designed.
Probably won't happen though. Prepare to pay for nothing.
We got our taste of moronic EU regulations with RoHS, and the BS paperwork that went with it.
Not to mention the chip manufacturers promising that every chip that was converted to RoHS manufacturing methods would OF COURSE work exactly the same to the same specifications, and then watching boards not work correctly when all that was done was switch out the chips to RoHS compliant ones and solder them on with lead-free solder.
What a crock of shit. U.S. should have phased in our own similar rules with sane deadlines instead of cow-towing to RoHS so quickly.
p.s. It doesn't matter whether you hear standardized "ring tone" or a message during the call signaling phase of the call. You are NOT billed for that. The carrier could play you Monkeys Farting, and still wouldn't make a dime until the person or device picked up at the far-end.
Billing starts when the far-end connects and the telco network acknowledges that the far-end answered. Think about it.
The point of the Article is that far-end connect *is* registered when a voice mail system answers, however.
There are a number of reasons, including that older telco networks do not cut through audio, including any DTMF tones you might want to send to control the voice mail system at the far-end, until Answer Supervision is active.
From many years of working on "value added" systems inside the telco networks, AT&T's network is the best/worst about this "no audio cut-through" depending on how you look at it. They follow the original Bellcore specifications to a "T" (pun intended).
However, it causes havok today whenever a "service" system is deployed directly in a Central Office where it plugs into a #4 or Tandem long-haul backbone switch... the long-haul switches NEVER provide Answer Supervision.
That can only be done at a local switch, per the specifications.
Meanwhile, you're calling something SITTING IN THE CO that answers, but AS is blocked, therefore you can't punch any DTMF into it.
There's all SORTS of hacks in AT&T's network to get around this, including looping calls through #5ESS switches that really don't technically NEED to go there, just to get AS to go active before the device in the CO answers the call. It's a mess.
The non-Bell System carriers that came along later devised better, but not perfect, ways to deal with it and ignored a few silly laws and tariffs to accomplish it saying, "We don't know how to implement than in our new whiz-bang networks", and got away with it.
So... you definitely need to talk to folks inside telco to get the WHOLE story on billing and Answer Supervision before assuming things -- and it's a hell of a lot more complex than it looks from the outside, just like most networks and things humans build.
Messy is a huge understatement, but MOST of the time, Answer Supervision and billing work properly across all networks, thanks to the original specifications done four or five decades ago that still cover more than the 80% rule.
You are incorrect about the billing for those messages. The bill doesn't begin until far-end party connect and the delivery of Answer Supervision from the far-end carrier. Ask 'em instead of making things up.
Well of course there's a price disparity. No one NEEDS a phone, but everyone NEEDS their health.
Not sure what your point about ambulances have to do with nationalizing healthcare. We already have those.
Would you say the 80%+ of people with health coverage who are generally healthy spend more on their healthcare or their cell phones under the current system, annually? Think about it. They're very close. Not counting the costs paid by employers, just the out of pocket costs for healthcare.
Emergency calling is also a guarantee here, not sure where you are. You don't have to have a plan, just a phone that finds a network. It's illegal to block an emergency call to 911 already.
I get your points, but you didn't address mine.
If you know any salespeople using those models in the real world to actually make sales, holler. I think I'll stick with reality instead of whatever they're teaching in schools these days.