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What Questions Should a Prospective Employee Ask?

Mortimer.CA writes "Even though things aren't great in the economy, it's prudent to plan ahead to when things (hopefully) pick up. In light of that, I'd like to update a previously asked question in case things have changed over the last four years: What do you ask every new (prospective) employer? When you're sitting in the interview room after they've finished grilling you, there's usually an opportunity to reciprocate. There will be some niche questions for specializations (sys admin, programming, PM, QA, etc.), but there are some generic ones that come to mind, such as: what is the (official) dress code?" Similarly, what questions should you avoid? Read on for the rest of Mortimer.CA's thoughts. He continues with these suggestions:
"What about my resume caught your eye? What hardware/software am I expected to use at my desktop (e-mail, OS, editor, source control, etc.)? Are there team lunches or get-togethers? What are your goals for the next six months, one year, three years? What ticket/issue tracking system do you use? Do you have separate build/stage/QA/etc. environments? How do you keep track of documentation? What are your full names (so I can Google them)? What are the typical hours of the team members? Those are some of the ones I've thought of after some digging around. Are there the generic ones that you ask? What are some question for various niches? (e.g., for sysadmins: what config mgmt software do you use?)"

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  1. "What color m&ms do you prefer?" by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Funny

    n/t

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    1. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by oh_bugger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Red M&M.. Blue M&M.. They all end up the same colour in the end.

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    2. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by Mick+Ohrberg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe not that, but "What keeps you up at night?" - obviously not asking about scary movies or a noisy neighbor, but about issues within the organization. I have found that this way of asking the question (as opposed to "What are the biggest problems?") seems pretty disarming and I've heard prospective employers divulge more than they probably originally wanted to.

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    3. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if the answer is an overly active sex life and a lack of commitment to one particular women?

    4. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if the answer is an overly active sex life and a lack of commitment to one particular women?

      Then you've just made a new friend\wingman "giggity giggity goo, alright". You should then follow up with questions about company health care coverage for illegitimate children. Don't judge us! Swingers are people too!

    5. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by vbraga · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Red pigment is made from insects. I never ate another red M&M in my life.

      Actually, sometimes I feel that if I knew from where the other pigments came from, I would never eat again.

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    6. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by jeepien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Red pigment is made from insects. I never ate another red M&M in my life.

      Who cares? They're not endangered--eat up!

    7. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by esocid · · Score: 1

      I think if you knew what is actually allowed to be in your food, you would never eat again.

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    8. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by INeededALogin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I never ate another red M&M in my life.

      ... (Includes Red 40 Lake, Blue 2 Lake, Blue 1 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 5, Red 40, Blue 1, Blue 2, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake)

      Red 40 is not derived from bugs: Red 40

    9. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by digitalunity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Best question I know is: What is your long term strategy for growth?

      You'll get a wide range of responses and it reflects a LOT about how they treat their employees. If they talk much about cost savings, you know from the start your very position will be under periodic scrutiny. If they talk about outsourcing, you know that your job may not be secure, depending on what you do. If they talk about serving the customers and meeting their needs, you know any extra effort you take to serve the customer will be valued.

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    10. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1

      Shhh! Nobody tell this guy where honey comes from!

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    11. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by AscianBound · · Score: 1

      What if the answer is an overly active sex life and a lack of commitment to one particular women?

      Obviously, the only reason this was modded funny was the ridiculousness of the suggestion that anyone on slashdot could possibly have a sex life, let alone an overly active one.

    12. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Oh come on. They never say it's not about customers.

      Are you kidding? Have you really run into people who said their goals were to cut costs or outsource, while they're HIRING YOU?

      That'd be a much larger red flag than you're thinking.

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    13. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh yeah! seems much better:


      The study found that increased levels of hyperactivity and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and lower IQs were observed in children. Based on the study, the UK agency advises that cutting certain artificial colors (Sunset Yellow, Quinoline Yellow WS, Carmoisine, Allura Red, Tartrazine, and Ponceau 4R) from hyperactive children's diets might have some beneficial effects.

    14. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 1

      The hard coating on many candies and other confections are made from insects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac

    15. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you ask if you can tag along next time they go bar-hopping. Shows you're a team player AND gets you laid.

    16. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by digitalunity · · Score: 1

      Yeah, actually I have.

      No, prospective employers are never 100% honest but their response is still useful. As a prospective hire, it's your job to learn about the company before you show up for the interview. It will help you decide how to ask more intelligent follow up questions when you think you're getting a BS answer.

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    17. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      I think if you knew what is actually allowed to be in your food, you would never eat again.

      That's pretty funny, because I always hear people say that when the skin their first animal or gut their first fish too.

    18. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't believe I haven't seen this listed in the discussion yet:

      Whether you are interviewing for a sales position or a technical position, you should ask a "sales-closing" question.

      You: "Now that you've had a chance to meet me, and to review my qualifications, are there any issues that concern you, that would prevent you from making me an offer?"

      Here's your chance to allow the interviewer to tell you what's bothering him or her about you. And your chance to address it.

      Interviewer: "Well, I'm really concerned about your lack of experience doing design work."
      You: "Oh, well, I didn't state it explicitly, but I did the design work on Project X, Y, and a significant part of Z, as part of a design team."
      Interviewer: "oooh, I'm glad you cleared that up!"

    19. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by RichiH · · Score: 1

      > Who cares? They're not endangered--eat up!

      Yet!

    20. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by Hillview · · Score: 1

      It's only protein. Eat up!

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    21. Re:"What color m&ms do you prefer?" by quotationspage · · Score: 1

      "Hardly a competent workman can be found who does not devote a considerable amount of time to studying just how slowly he can work and still convince his employer that he is going at a good pace." --Frederick W. Taylor

  2. How often do people get promoted by assemblerex · · Score: 1

    Unless you like doing TPS reports for the next 40 years.

    1. Re:How often do people get promoted by kenh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, that makes it sound like you already don't like the job you haven't even been offered yet. Instead, ask about career paths, ask where your co-workers came from (internal new-hires, transfers/promotions, etc.), and where former group members are now. Asking how often people get promoted makes you sound like a civil servant "wannabe", probably not your best interview tactic.

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    2. Re:How often do people get promoted by dk90406 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      At least a semi-valid question.

      If asked like: "What is your education and training policy for employees?" and "Will additional education be reflected in job position, if my job performance is satisfying, or is promotion generally based on seniority?"

      or something like that. And a critical one for me: "What is you policy on flexible hours" (or whatever you call in in the US - is it OK I get to work later (or earlier) and then leave later (or earlier)).

    3. Re:How often do people get promoted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, that makes it sound like you already don't like the job you haven't even been offered yet. Instead, ask about career paths, ask where your co-workers came from (internal new-hires, transfers/promotions, etc.), and where former group members are now. Asking how often people get promoted makes you sound like a civil servant "wannabe", probably not your best interview tactic.

      So I guess asking: "If I start working for you now, how much time will I have until your next round of mass layoffs is planned to unfold?" is out of the question too?

    4. Re:How often do people get promoted by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Yeah and don't forget to ask when your first pay raise is, how much sick time is too much and when can you have your first vacation.

    5. Re:How often do people get promoted by deadkennedy · · Score: 1

      Our flexible hours have come in handy on more than one occasion. Our leaders realize that it doesn't matter when during the the day it gets done as long as deadlines are met.

    6. Re:How often do people get promoted by finalrain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Instead of asking how often people are promoted, I ask what percentage of their management comes from people promoted within the company. I think it mitigates the idea that you're just using a position as a stepping stone while still getting you the answer you want.

      Plus, I think it's important to know that there's a good possibility that your manager was at one point capable of doing the job you're applying for. Honestly, knowing my potential manager doesn't have unrealistic expectations is a lot more important to me than hypotheticals about whether I'm getting his job when he moves up or on.

      If I'm set up for failure, I'm not going to get his job either way. Effective schmoozers might, but I'm not one of them.

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    7. Re:How often do people get promoted by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, but "where are former group members now" is a far more innocuous way of asking the same ;-)

      Wish I had as much skill as GP in asking things the polite way...

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    8. Re:How often do people get promoted by 3dr · · Score: 1
      So many candidates are just terrified of the employers. Out of all the people I've interviewed, I've had one or two ask about hours, or promotions.

      Yours are valid questions, when asked in appropriate ways, as are questions about equity rewards, profit sharing, etc. A *company* exists for the benefit of both employer and employee. It's a business, and if you hire on you are part of the business. Employee compensation includes pay adjustments, equity grants (options, RSA/RSUs, ESPP), 401k matching, vacation, and schedules for all these. Ask about them.

      Another thing that nobody asks about is company health. Never has a candidate mentioned checking the company's recent SEC filings, and "with the cash on hand, what are the companies plans for ROC?" Or, what are plans for growths, or margin goals?

      BTW, answers to your questions: about 1 year (next review cycle), no alotted sick time so "it depends", and take vacation when you need it as we don't have vacation time.

    9. Re:How often do people get promoted by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

      "education and training policy" eh thats a good one I laughed for about 5 minutes on that one. I asked the same question and got assurances that training will be provided.

      Here is the real story (at least at one place where I worked) you asked the boss is this course "OK" to take and he says sure that is part of your job go ahead.
      Fast forward 6 months and you hand the bill for company tuition reimbursement to the boss. He turns around and says "This course is not part of your job so no we will not pay for it" end of discussion. Everybody got the message do not expect to get
      reimbursed for any education.

      The problem is that there is no way to hold your boss responsible without going to court. Also, the way the in the US (most of the time) it gets sent for mediation. Did I forget to tell you the company gets to pick the mediator and there is also quite a bit of "I will scratch your back if you scratch mine" in these mediation companies. Essentially the mediation is nothing more that a jury that only favors the company side.

      Mediation is nothing but a big joke in the US.

  3. Bye, bye job by netpixie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you have manditory drug testing?

    1. Re:Bye, bye job by kenh · · Score: 4, Funny

      And if so, how long after you offer the job will I have to take the test? (how long do I have to detox before the test?)

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    2. Re:Bye, bye job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And will I be given sufficient time to study for this test?

    3. Re:Bye, bye job by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that a picture of your daughter there on your desk?

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    4. Re:Bye, bye job by Jawn98685 · · Score: 1

      ...or spelling tests?

    5. Re:Bye, bye job by Nathrael · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, that's my wife!

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    6. Re:Bye, bye job by netpixie · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't accept a job that required either

    7. Re:Bye, bye job by TJamieson · · Score: 4, Funny

      "So Peter, where do you see yourself in five years?"
      Don't say 'Doin your wife'; don't say 'Doin your wife'
      "Doin your... son?"

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    8. Re:Bye, bye job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey man, this is something I know a lot about unfortunately, from plenty of personal experience... That question all depends on your drug of choice and how big you are (height/weight), what are we talking here? Coke, Trees, LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin, or MDMA (Ecstasy, falls under amphetamines) ?

      I'm posting anonymously to protect myself.

    9. Re:Bye, bye job by justfred · · Score: 1

      If so, which ones do we get to try? Because there are some new ones out there that I've heard are awesome.

    10. Re:Bye, bye job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and if so, how many employees have filed workers comp after testing the cocaine?

    11. Re:Bye, bye job by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      exactly, I don't do drugs personally, and TV cop shows are always 6-9 months behind the street names.... don't want to get any trick questions.

    12. Re:Bye, bye job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have manditory drug testing?

      Or how about "do you have have manditory spell checking?" :)

    13. Re:Bye, bye job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once when I was younger I interviewed and got accepted for a three month internship formatting Windows machines. I went through two interviews, they gave me the internship, and as I'm leaving they're like "Oh, and you'll have to be here on Wednesday for a drug screening."

      I was 19 at the time and attending a community college, which means I was smoking tons of weed. I couldn't believe how much time both myself and the employer just wasted.

      Not only that, but how the hell are you supposed to spend three months formatting Windows machines without getting stoned?

      Playing it safe and posting AC ;)

    14. Re:Bye, bye job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I, too, know a fair amount of this. Don't smoke for 5 days, drink three diet cokes two tothree hours before the test and let them start working as a diuretic, take a creatine to keep the color up, and you'll be golden. You can use the 10 dollar consumer test kits to check yourself. If you smoke regularly, you really do need to lay off for at least 2 weeks, and 3 or 4 would be better, but the diet cokes and creatine will work in a pinch. Google is your friend.

    15. Re:Bye, bye job by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Is that a picture of your daughter there on your desk?

      Or, the Carlin approach.

      "WHO'S THE CUNT?!"

  4. the obvious question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are you a slashdotter?

  5. My favourite by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I've worked in England and the policy on assault is pretty strict there. If you hit somone, immediate dismissal. What's your policy here? [cracks knuckles]"

    Legendary question in by a candidate for a job in Sweden.

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    1. Re:My favourite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "cool" answer to this would be "you're not allowed to hit anyone except stupid customers and sales reps". :P

    2. Re:My favourite by mikael · · Score: 3, Funny

      Written into an employment contract:

      "There will be no fighting between staff in the main reception during office hours."

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    3. Re:My favourite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that's because they don't want to get hired, so they can collect unemployment and still claim that they are searching for jobs

    4. Re:My favourite by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      Sounds fair enough - specifically implies that visitors are a fair game.

  6. What's for lunch? by zyxwvutsr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where do we eat?

    1. Re:What's for lunch? by agw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. To some people, this is rather imporant.
      Many companies don't have any staff cantine and you can only get bagles within walking distance.

      If you're not the packed lunch guy, this is pretty bad.

      I'm mostly working from home and I'm always happy to go to a customer with a proper staff cantine. For any future office job that will be always a top criteria with me.

    2. Re:What's for lunch? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. To some people, this is rather imporant.
      Many companies don't have any staff cantine and you can only get bagles within walking distance.

      If you're not the packed lunch guy, this is pretty bad.

      Ask them if food in the refrigerator is considered communal.

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    3. Re:What's for lunch? by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      Worse yet are places that don't even have an eating area. I already spend a minimum of eight hours a day in my cubical. It would be nice to get out a little.

  7. Are there a lot of people with kids here? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want to know how much overtime you're going to work, and how family-friendly a workplace is, find out what the demographics of the company are. If you are single, you may find that an overly family-oriented workplace is going to put extra pressure on you to stay late due to parents needing to take time off to be with their family (doctor visits, holidays, etc). On the other hand, if you have a family, a family-friendly workplace may afford you more time to spend with your family.

    Another good question is to ask your interviewer how many times a week he talks to customers. It will give you a good idea of how insulated you will be from customers, and that can give you an idea of whether you want the job or not. A non-customer centric position will probably be slower in promotion, but much lower pressure. A customer centric position will be higher pressure, but the opportunity for professional growth (even if all you want to be is a developer) is enormous.

    1. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by TheGreenNuke · · Score: 1

      The overtime issue is a good one to ask. Different places also pay out for overtime differently, if at all. I've heard of no OT pay, your hourly pay(or equivalent if salary) + $10 an hour, to time and a half, and will likely vary as you rise up the ranks. 401(k) and if you're lucky pension plans are important too. Some places will match a fairly decent amount.

    2. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Virtual "+1, best answer yet" from me.

      In a similar vein, ask about the policy on flexible working (i.e. a compressed or extended working week), and home working. That should give you a good indication of whether you're working for people who want to see results, or just to see you at your desk.

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    3. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Common wisdom holds that questions around pay, overtime pay policy, 401k, vacation, sick time, etc -- basically "HR stuff" -- should be avoided in first round technical interviews.

    4. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would fall into the "things not to ask me about in a first/technical interview" category. If someone is more concerned around work schedule than getting work done before they even start, I'll take a pass. Once we're entering salary discussions, that's a different story.

    5. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by assertation · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I work in a family centric place, I am single, and I rarely work late. Everyone is GONE by 5:30pm.

      In regards to your second question I think it would be better to ask how often you would be expected to interface with customers as what the boss does may not have anything to do with you. It could be his job to insulate the rest of the staff from clients.

    6. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by cob666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Common wisdom holds that questions around pay, overtime pay policy, 401k, vacation, sick time, etc -- basically "HR stuff" -- should be avoided in first round technical interviews.

      Compensation is usually THE DECIDED factor when most people are looking for a job. When I'm interviewing for a position I always ask about compensation, work hours and company policy on PTO and flex time. I've also been in the position where I have interviewed candidates for positions and have always had at the very least 'ballpark' compensation numbers as well as PTO policies.

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    7. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by TheGreenNuke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First round interview was not specified, so the point remains valid. Also the "HR stuff" is very relevant information when deciding if you want the position or not, in my experience, no time was ever a bad time to ask it.

    8. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be common, but why is it wisdom?

    9. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe if there are lots of family people there it is a workplace that values work-life balance? This doesn't always mean dumping crap on the single people.

      There are plenty of bosses who will regard exploiting their single employees' weekends and evenings as an excellent alternative to hiring enough staff to get the job done in normal hours. This is regardless of the number of parents employed, because even if they have to pay overtime it will still be cheaper than hiring and training new staff (plus it is easier to stop assigning overtime in a recession than to sack 25% of your employees).

      Often it is more about the attitude of bosses and what they expect your attitude to be. There are some people who simply can't understand that it is possible to enjoy your job at Global Megacorp Inc without wanting to make it your whole life. They tend to take the attitude that either you are going to put in 70 hour weeks "voluntarily" or you are not a "team player" or in line with the "corporate values" and you cancollect your stuff from security. There's not much that can be done about that.

    10. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Eskarel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In my personal experience, unless you're so in demand that you really don't need an interview anyway, the first person who mentions a monetary figure loses, and if it's the potential employee it's usually worse.

      The reasons for this is rather simple. If you underbid, you lose out on cash, no employer on earth will offer you more than you asked for. If you overbid, especially if it's by too much, you risk alienating the employer and are likely to end up not getting what you want.

      If on the other hand, they overbid, they don't need to know that and you score. If they underbid, you can refuse, without looking like a greedy asshole and blowing a potential later contact, and if they want you enough, they'll up it.

      Salary questions are definitely important, but they're not the be all and end all of getting a job. I value a whole bunch of things above straight dollar figures(so long as the dollars are reasonable of course). Even more importantly, unless you're really strapped for time and don't need the job, negotiating them after they've made an offer will put you in a much stronger position.

      As to the general question, the questions you should ask an employer are the questions where the wrong answer means you won't take the job. If you need to have weekends off 100% of the time, ask that, if you need to be able to work flexible hours, ask if you can. If all you're looking for is a paycheck so you don't end up on the street, and you don't really care about anything else. Then you can stick to the pointless crap you ask to show you're interested in the company. Check any employment agency web site and they'll give you a list of them, all they're for is to show you're keen.

      The basic rule is that, asking for too much can make you look greedy and cause you problems. Asking too little gets you a job that doesn't meet your needs. The most important skill in life is to know what you need, as opposed to what you want and how far you can go down the want pile and get away with it.

    11. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, the technical interview stuff is a waste of time if their baseline compensation is too low for you. I would keep an eye out for warning signs that the company is stingy with their salaries. If they ask "how much are you expecting to earn", I would turn that around and ask "how much are you expecting to pay me". Everything is negotiable, but if there is a serious mismatch of expectations about salary, then you will have to address it sooner or later.

    12. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They tend to take the attitude that either you are going to put in 70 hour weeks "voluntarily" or you are not a "team player"

      So very true!

    13. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      in my experience the "young single" people tend to work less overtime than the "parents" because they have nothing better to do on the weekends than plan the next getaway with their buddies.. and they buy up tickets/reservations 2 weeks ahead of when they see OT coming so they're "losing money" if they have to work... opposed to parents that are going home for the weekend to "just" mow the lawn, fix up house, and play with the kids (all that stuff's "free") so they're really not doing anything "important" over the weekend and they can work.

    14. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      The first questions I ask are about working hours and flex work policies. Why? Because I will not take a job that doesn't have flexible hours, and I will not work more than 40 hrs a week average (I'll spike occasionally, but I will be taking comp time for it). That is probably the biggest factor in working conditions (which is all I give a damn about when deciding to take a job offer) there is. I can't possibly see a reason to take either of those questions as a bad thing, unless you want to overwork and underpay your employees. In which case I don't want the fucking thing anyway.

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    15. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by syousef · · Score: 1

      In my personal experience, unless you're so in demand that you really don't need an interview anyway, the first person who mentions a monetary figure loses, and if it's the potential employee it's usually worse.

      By that logic the only way to go forward is not never agree to a salary and never be paid. It is only the employee that loses out if they talk money first.

      The reasons for this is rather simple. If you underbid, you lose out on cash, no employer on earth will offer you more than you asked for. If you overbid, especially if it's by too much, you risk alienating the employer and are likely to end up not getting what you want.

      That's why you go through an employment agency. The employer has to make the offer. You have no control over what they'll pay. The employer does. So long as you stay realistic their job is to determine your worth and filter out jobs that are not going to meet your requirements. When they ask it doesn't come across as greedy since at most it'll mean a modest increase to their commission.

      Salary questions are definitely important, but they're not the be all and end all of getting a job. I value a whole bunch of things above straight dollar figures(so long as the dollars are reasonable of course). Even more importantly, unless you're really strapped for time and don't need the job, negotiating them after they've made an offer will put you in a much stronger position.

      An offer usually comes with a figure attached. You may push it up 5% relatively easily (provided that the company's rules allow). 10% is a bigger stretch. 20% will only happen if they're desperate to have you (which should sound alarm bells). In this economy you may not get even 5%. It's still not a good idea to talk money too early. However if the job isn't something you want to do even 10% shouldn't sway you unless YOU are desperate.

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    16. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in a family centric place, I am single, and I rarely work late. Everyone is GONE by 5:30pm.

      Lucky you. I've been in places which were predominantly family types. Yes, singles (or, less frequently, marrieds with no kids) were routinely expected to take up the slack -- sick kids, gotta leave by 5:00 because day care charges heavily by five-minute increments if they pick the kids up late, has "mandatory" teacher meetings, etc.

      They were always at the front of the list for telecommuting opportunities, too. Singles were brushed off with, "Well, someone has to be in the office."

      You were expected to defer to families for vacation time, because of spouse, kids' camp or other "family oriented" activities.

      If you didn't knuckle under to the pressures, it would show up some sneaky-ass place in your evaluation, like "deficient in team spirit".

      It's well-known that, if someone files a sexual harassment complaint, freezing that person out and only being civil to them (or speaking to them only about business-related matters) because you're afraid any slight misstep will get you written up as well, will be legally viewed as retaliation, even if you're just a co-worker and not a manager. However, cross someone who wants you to give in on a vacation or time off matter and you'd better start wearing heated underwear or you'll get your nuts frozen off by anyone who feels slighted in this way.

    17. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I ask about expected work week. I explain that I understand crunch time, and have no problem with it, but that I did the 60 hour week thing when I was younger and now want to spend that extra time with my family. If you're diplomatic about it, there's usually not an issue, unless it's an environment like the following:

      I was told flat-out in one interview that 50hr/wk was expected. I told them thank you, and got out of there as fast as I could.

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    18. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      A more subtle way of approaching this is, "what are your VPN/remote access facilities and policies? If I have an idea in the middle of the night, how hard is it for me to work on it a bit?"

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    19. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well, congratulations. I didn't realise the questions was what questions you should ask a prospective employee is you were interviewing at "assertation"'s workplace?

      The fact is this is a reasonable question, and I have been working with family centric workplaces, and have had to put in extra work, esp around Christmas, Mothers day and other common holidays, because I was single.

    20. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > no employer on earth will offer you more than you asked for.

      Not true. I've worked for two employers where they've taken the attitude "that this person is currently underpaid for the job they do/skills they have and we want to keep them". Therefore they offer over the up the salary asked for.

    21. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by kelnos · · Score: 1

      As one of those young "single" (single in that I'm unmarried, at least, if not strictly "single") people, I tend to agree (and, unless I'm misinterpreting you, I'm a bit insulted by your dismissive tone). While I rarely have "weekend getaways," I do value my personal time quite highly. If I do book tickets before officially requesting the time off, I'm fully prepared for a "no" answer from my boss -- it's pretty foolish to claim free time before you know it's free.

      Where I work, most family people and single people tend to put in similar hours (average is probably ~45/hrs per week). Family people probably greatly outnumber single people. Never have I been asked to work on weekends or put in more hours. And I would especially not expect to be "discriminated against" because I don't have a family.

      However, I do get the impression that quite a few people do tend to work excessively long hours, and they all seem to be family people. I'm not sure of their reasoning behind this... perhaps they feel that their job security is increased by working more, and they feel safer because their family depends on that job as well (whereas for me, I'm the only person who depends on my job). Or maybe they're not happy, and use the job as a way to escape from family.

      Or perhaps I just work at a reasonable company that cares more about results than in hours with my ass in a chair. Perhaps I work where the life part of work/life balance isn't defined differently depending on whether or not I have a family.

      A little bit of a side note, but I tend to think it's ridiculous that so many people seem to think that regular overtime should be expected at all. What part of the "over" in "overtime" do people not get? Hell, especially if you're salaried, it's not like you're getting compensated for the extra time put in. I'm certainly ok with a job where occasional extra time is needed to make deadlines, but if I were to ever join a company and then later find that overtime is the norm, I'd be shopping out my resume the next day.

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    22. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      You're kidding me, right? Spending time with my family is very important to any good parent, and planned events are even harder to move because they have to arrange babysitters and stuff like that.

      I had no problem working overtime when I was single. It got a lot harder when I got married. Now that I have a son, you need a truly excellent reason to get me to work overtime at the office (home might be a different matter).

    23. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The reasons for this is rather simple. If you underbid, you lose out on cash, no employer on earth will offer you more than you asked for."

      FYI, for one of my past jobs I asked for $75,000 per year and they offered me $85,000. So they are such employers on this Earth.

    24. Re:Are there a lot of people with kids here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no employer on earth will offer you more than you asked for

      My second job after college (got laid off from the first one with about 60% of the company) I absolutely killed the interviews(3 of them). Knew I would get an offer. When it came time to discuss it I upped the figure i'd been tossing around in my head by 10%....My official offer came back approximately 9% higher than I'd asked for. Yes i know i was probably under valuing myself...but its very much on the high end for my title.
      Now im not talking 6 figures here....but im not too far off that either. I might be the only person in history thats ever happened to.

  8. What are your internet usage rules here? by cavehobbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like bandwidth caps 'n stuff?

    1. Re:What are your internet usage rules here? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What are your internet usage rules here?... Like bandwidth caps 'n stuff?

      Might as well walk in and say, "I plan to surf the web all day and work in my spare time!" ;)

    2. Re:What are your internet usage rules here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to "explain" the joke, slapcock.

    3. Re:What are your internet usage rules here? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      If you'd done the number of interviews I'd done, you'd realize that poster was probably not joking.

      Dude, "slapcock"? Even for a member of the caste who must better themselves through the belittlement of others, that was particularly lame.

      Aw shit, now I've done it too.

    4. Re:What are your internet usage rules here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You honestly think the poster wasn't joking? Are you that much of a fucking stiff? The use of "'n stuff" at the end didn't clue you in?
       
      Jesus Christ. I bet your boring wife just lays there and cries in shame when you plant your fat gut on her and try to insert your fucking stub.

    5. Re:What are your internet usage rules here? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Mom, is that you again?

  9. this could backfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    spit or swallow?

  10. Asking about hours by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are only two occasions when asking about average employee working hours is appropriate:

    1) When you will be contracting with the company and will be charging them an hourly rate with the possibility of overtime
    2) You don't really care about getting the job

    If you ask in the first situation, you are simply being professional. You want to be able to accurately estimate the amount you will be charging them. It just makes sense, especially since it will end up costing them more to keep you later.

    If you ask in the second situation, you are simply lazy and unwilling to be a "team player".

    1. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you ask in the second situation, you are simply lazy and unwilling to be a "team player".

      Maybe in crazy world. We all have to negotiate a salary, which is worth nothing if you don't know if you have to work five or fifty hours for it per month.

    2. Re:Asking about hours by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And a virtual "-1, bullshit" to counter my virtual +1 above.

      I always ask about the "real working hours" for salaried jobs. Always, barring my very first job (games development, ho ho), which is why I do it now. It doesn't have to come across as lazy - you can spin it as wanting to make an informed decision about whether you're happy committing to the working culture.

      If you don't get a job simply because you asked that question, then they were probably planning to work you like a galley slave anyway. Unless that was your goal - and it may be, I was that dumb going into my first job - then you just dodged the bullet.

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    3. Re:Asking about hours by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you ask in the second situation, you are simply lazy and unwilling to be a "team player".

      Maybe in crazy world. We all have to negotiate a salary, which is worth nothing if you don't know if you have to work five or fifty hours for it per month.

      Absolutely true - this is a valid question to ask, after you have entered the salary negotiations phase and not before.

    4. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you ask in the second situation, you are simply lazy and unwilling to be a "team player".

      That seems very strange to me. I have asked about the length of the typical work week at every interview I have ever had. And my lifetime average is about .50 (I get a job offer from about half of my interviews). And I am not a contractor...I have interviewed for salaried positions only.

      It is all in the presentation; and how you present yourself will be a function of how you view yourself, the employer, and your potential relationship. If you expect that every employer wants to exploit you and that by asking this you will automatically be sending him a red flag that you cannot be exploited, and therefore that you will not get the job.....or if you see yourself as being basically powerless and the interview is your chance to beg for a job from someone who doesn't really need you but could be convinced to hire you anyway (but only if you are willing to work all the time).....then you have screwed yourself from the get-go.

      Remember, employers need employees too, and the successful ones are (quite often) the ones who have managed to retain and motivate talent. Such employers understand the need for work/life balance, and don't want to drive their talent to burn-out (having that happen a few times gets expensive, fast). You are not a selfish bastard for wanting a salary that fits the position's value in the market, your talent level, and the workload. Nor are you a lazy bastard for wanting to have a life outside of work. If you think that asking about salary/workload makes you appear as such, then you need to adjust your self-image. If you think all employers see you this way, then you need to adjust your world-view.

      There are some asshole employers, of course. They will try to convince you that there are no jobs available in which you can get away with working less than 60 hours a week, and it goes up from there at crunch time. Also, "salaried" means "you work two jobs, both for me, and only get paid for one, and you like it that way." If the questions you ask reveal that the potential employer is one of these, move on.

      The simple fact is....it makes no sense to enter into a relationship if you don't know what the expectations are. Asking what the workload is, and how much it pays, is a simply getting the basic facts. The only concern is timing...if you ask these questions right away it makes you look like a job-hopper, which makes you a risky investment. If you wait till the second interview to ask, it makes it look like you decided that you like the company itself, and are serious about wanting to work there, and are getting the necessary facts. Just do it with the proper professional attitude and any employer worth working for will respond in kind.

    5. Re:Asking about hours by Gonzoman · · Score: 1

      I would not take a salaried position if the work hours were not specified, and provisions for overtime laid out. Anything longer than 40 hours a week puts one in the wage slave category.

      I often work overtime, but I generally take it as lieu time (at time and a half). This makes for a better work/real life balance and keeps my employer honest.

      Job interviews need to go both ways. I am selling my skills to the employer, but they also need to show me why I should work for them.

    6. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain why the company gets to know anything and everything about me immediately, but I have to wait until I have potentially wasted a great deal of time and maybe even travelled very long distances before I can ask the questions that are most important to me?

      Somebody wants to interview me, I'm going to ask about hours, vacation policies, etc. right up front. This is stuff I want to know before I commit any real time to the whole project. Why should I waste a bunch of time when it turns out the company expects everybody to put in 80 hours a week? More importantly, why would the company want to waste all this time with me because they don't want to tell me their policies up front?

    7. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely true - this is a valid question to ask, after you have entered the salary negotiations phase and not before.

      I disagree. I always ask in my first meeting and I've never had trouble getting a job. It is not the only question I ask. I ask a large number of critical questions. I am interviewing them every bit as much as they are me. Why should I take the crap shoot and get a lemon job anymore then they should in getting a lemon employee? Be honest and ask your questions.

    8. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Employment is a two-way relationship. You wouldn't expect an employer to go out of their way to hire you (and only you) without even reading your CV. Why would any rational employer expect a skilled worker to seek them out and want to work for them (and only them) without knowing anything about what they were getting in return?

      Another good one is when a potential employer is really keen to know your previous salary. How could that possibly be relevant to your new job, if you're being judged on merit and they're willing to make an honest offer based on what they think having you in that role will be worth to them? If they ask about what kind of money/package you're looking for, that's fair enough, but it's a different question. Otherwise, they're just trying to force you to give a number first (which is how you lose any negotiation) and pin you with lying at interview otherwise.

      Sometimes, saying something to the effect that your current employer asks everyone to keep those details confidential but it's around the market rate will get you off the hook, and if they challenge it, you can ask if they'd really want to recruit someone who would later betray their own confidential information. If they still won't take the hint at that point, personally, I'm thinking about ending the interview. Of course, if you're not willing to walk away from a bad deal, you're going to lose any negotiation anyway, so you might as well just tell them what they want to know.

      Employers whose job offers you shouldn't be sad to lose:

      • Those who won't tell you straight up about working conditions, contractual details, typical hours, and the like.
      • Those who will tell you, but when you first heard it you thought they were joking. Real replies from interviewers: "If you want a 9-5 job, don't come here, go work for the civil service; most people here are in by 8 and stay until at least 6-6:30" and "We have a reactive working policy" (which turned out to mean that their planning was almost non-existent, they worked in a perpetual panic, and senior staff were expected to stay arbitrarily late without warning or additional compensation to fix whatever came in that day.)
      • Those whose employment contracts/practices claim access to your life outside work: restricting you from taking on any other work out-of-hours without their consent, claiming copyright over everything you do on your own time, requiring you to keep pager/phone/etc. accessible 24/7/365 where this is not an inherent part of the job and compensated accordingly, prohibiting travel to certain countries even during your holiday without their consent, etc. Even if some or all of these things are legally unenforceable in your jurisdiction, the fact that they're claimed at all says a lot.
      • Those who only want to hire someone who really wants to work for them (with the implication that you shouldn't be seriously considering anyone else).
      • Those whose technical interviewers (or whose code samples you see during interview) don't show good technique themselves.
      • Those who want to know about details of your past employment that aren't relevant (such as salary/hours or commercially sensitive information).
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    9. Re:Asking about hours by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're out on a first date, do you immediately ask how much time you'll have to spend with the in-laws? Do you ask how often you're going to get laid? Do you ask how much affection you're required to display publicly? For most people, the answer is no. First you get to know each other, then you find out what each of you expects from the relationship.

      Treat a job interview the same as a first date, don't ask the big questions until the relationship between you and your prospective employer is ready to move to the next level. It's not that companies don't want to tell you what's expected up front, but you paint a picture of your priorities based on the questions you ask. If you start the interview with questions about holidays, flex time, etc. the employer might think you're a slacker. If you leave those questions for later, you improve your chances of making a good first impression by showing you're serious about the work and not just looking out for yourself, even if that's exactly what you're doing.

      (Sorry for using a dating analogy on /.)

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    10. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A job interview is not a first date. When you take a job it's expected that you'll be there for years. Extracting yourself from a bad job is difficult. In that respect, the job interview is more like the entire dating/courtship/engagement period compressed into one session. Once you're done with the interview, the company is either going to come back and say that you're not the right man for them, or they're going to ask for your hand in marriage.

      If you were going to go through a lengthy courtship period with this company after the interview, then I could see asking about these things later. But that's not how it works. They're going to call you up pretty soon and potentially say to you, "We'll pay you $X/year if you marry us." It's best to know what you're getting into before they put you on the spot with the question.

    11. Re:Asking about hours by pitterpatter · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Couldn't you come up with a car analogy?

    12. Re:Asking about hours by marcus · · Score: 1

      Two counters to those that want to know previous compensation:

        Ask whoever is asking what the company paid the previous employee in the prospective position.

        Assuming that the person asking is the prospective boss, ask what his current pay is.

        If he asks why you need to know this, say(in both cases) "I need the information in order to properly evaluate any offer you make. That is, minimum acceptable pay is 10% more than the previous or 10% less than the boss, whichever is greater." ;-)

      Seriously though, any interviewer that pushes this should probably be interrupted with a polite "I think we're finished with this process" and then you head for the door.

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    13. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I often work overtime, but I generally take it as lieu time (at time and a half). This makes for a better work/real life balance and keeps my employer honest.

      Posting as AC so I can name and shame a greedy, corrupt, faceless corporation.

      I used to work for Compass Group, the catering company who were involved in shady stuff with the UN, and Iraq. Management there loved their bullshit use of "time in lieu".

      When they needed people to work over it'd always be offered as time in lieu rather than overtime, and never at anything more than 1x.

      If you made the mistake of working over, getting to use that promised time in lieu was tricky - it was usually "too busy" to be granted. I remember once I had some time in lieu to use, and I was granted it around christmas/new year time.... but the office was dead anyway and they let nearly everyone else go home as well! I left the office early only to find out later that about 30mins after I went home they started sending others home as there was nothing for anyone to do.

      From then on I refused to work over at all, though when asked I would ask if it will be paid at an over-rate (doing this by email using reply-to-all to the request for people to work over seems to count as causing trouble!) They never offered TIL at an increased rate, so I never worked over again. No surprise, no pay rises from then on - not that the comedy pay rises would have covered inflation and the extra hours worked. Even if it did, that's not really a raise.

      I obviously didn't stay working for them for much longer, though probably longer than I should... but the office was a few minutes from home, and to me a negligible commute is worth a lot. So much it is a major deciding factor when it comes to choosing a job - not that I ever let a prospective employer know that! Even a half hour commute to/from work really adds up to about an extra 2 hours a day dedicated to work. No thanks!

    14. Re:Asking about hours by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      but any employer that doesn't understand the difference between "work to live" and "live to work" isn't being realistic either. Most families are two-worker now, so that means BOTH parents need to step in to help with school, Dr visits, sick kids, etc. Unless they're paying a really fantastic salary (nearing 6 figures) then they have to get with the times.

      Frankly, people that have "plans", people to seen, and things to do on their weekends tend to work harder DURING working hours than people with nothing better to do than work 60 hours a week. They need to get their bosses work done so they can get to their own priorities! I understand in some jobs like IT work must be done after-hours and weekends because we maintain the tools the rest of the business uses during normal hours... it's part of the job. Somewhere along the line OT went from being a "punishment" for employers wasting employees time, to a "favor" employers graciously grant to the plebs working for them. That your employer has so much "extra" money to burn on OT means you're WAY undervalued in the first place!

    15. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We have a reactive working policy" (which turned out to mean that their planning was almost non-existent,

      Please update your terminology. This technique is now called 'agile'. Report to the reeducation center at 8AM Monday.

    16. Re:Asking about hours by asc99c · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure an absolute figure for previous salary is that interesting, but I would think that salary progression would be quite an interesting data point. I've worked at the same place for 7 years now, and since it's very project-based, I've not exactly had any official promotions. My job title is still Software Engineer, same as ever. But I'm now paid over 3x what I was before, and that is probably something I would want to use in an interview far more than the actual figure that I'm currently paid.

    17. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Only 2 choices, lazy or "team player". I value my life/health more than I ever would any company. If they disquality an applicant for asking this question it is because they already had problems with turnover because of this issue. In this case, they are doing me a favor.

      Companies with continuous long hours typically have cash problems, dysfunctional management, tend to pay less, outsource.

    18. Re:Asking about hours by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Working hours is a very valid question and shows that you know what you are talking about. Some workplaces have very standard hours, others you may be required to be on call, others you may have to work long hours as standard. If the answer is "standard working hours" there ends my line of questioning. You would be surprised how many times the answer is not standard working hours. This then gives me something to base my pay negotiations around. It is in nobodies interest for me to ask for a rate that assumes standard working hours, end up working much longer hours and being unhappy and leaving. If the manager has any experience they will know exactly where my question is coming from and be more than happy to respond. If they are unhappy about the question it usually means they expect to overwork and underpay their employees, in which case I don't want to work there anyway.

    19. Re:Asking about hours by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      Another good one is when a potential employer is really keen to know your previous salary.

      Salary negotiations are so, so tiresome. I can't stand them. The employer already knows what they're going to offer for the job, so why not just say so, and maybe a little bit of dickering of a few percent?

      I've found it best to avoid the topic indirectly. When the subject of salary comes up, I brush it off with a joke or something. "How much were you looking to make here, Mr kitten?" "Oh, ha ha, you know, something in the neighborhood of a quarter million annually with bonuses." "Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Well, we were thinking more like XXXXXX, how's that?" There, you know where you stand and you can negotiate based on that if you want. I've found this to be pretty effective, plus, a little (admittedly terrible) humor injected into the process can almost never hurt.

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    20. Re:Asking about hours by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Is this really what is most important to you?

    21. Re:Asking about hours by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I'd suggest waiting until the second interview to ask questions like that, or maybe even waiting until or immediately before salary negotiations begin. By asking about working hours up front, you could present the appearance of being a slacker who just wants to figure out the least amount of work he can do to remain employed. Whether or not that's the case is irrelevant; the employer has very little to go on when deciding whether or not to spend more time on another round of interviews. All other things being equal, the employer will likely look harder at the guy who didn't ask those questions over those who did. And while in some cases, sure, the employer might be looking to work their people to death, I'd say you can never know, and it's safer to wait. You lose very little (possibly a couple hours of your time) in reserving the more "controversial" questions for farther along in the process, and possibly protect yourself from being misunderstood.

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    22. Re:Asking about hours by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Even a half hour commute to/from work really adds up to about an extra 2 hours a day dedicated to work.

      Crap, 30 minutes plus 30 minutes equals 2 hours?! No wonder I felt like I was so far from the office at my old place!

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    23. Re:Asking about hours by khchung · · Score: 1

      If the employer would be offended if asked about their real working hours, you wouldn't want to work there anyway.

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    24. Re:Asking about hours by gblfxt · · Score: 1

      I am a geek, but one that likes girls, and I have found that there is a definite relation between jobs and dating women. They can both be psycho, and and they can both be loving.

    25. Re:Asking about hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there's special mathematical rules that need to be used when counting up time for work. There are invisible unknowns that need to be accounted for. The rule is that if an invisible unknown happens to benefit the employee or customer, it doesn't exist/matter, but if it benefits the business it does exist and it need to be worshipped.

      So you start work at 9am, better leave home at 8am, even if it needs only 30mins to do the journey, to allow for the random bullshit slow traffic, closed roads..... . Of course you could leave at 8.30am most days and get to work fine, but your PHB will only notice the days you are late - maybe 1 in 10, and will project that lateness onto most days (he will assume you are late everyday [as he comes in at between 9 and 11.30 everyday] and realises that he may not have noticed you were late, but he'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just go with most days, rather than actually look into it and see it is only 1 day in 10).

      When it gets to the end of the day, you are much more likely to be stuck doing something at the end of the day that runs over than be sat doing nothing and be able to go home on time or even a few minutes early. Combined with the random shitty traffic (that I have found tends to occur in the evenings much more than mornings) and that 30 minute journey is suddenly ending most days an hour after work was meant to finish.

      And question this status quo? - well, you are just a "boat rocker" or not a team player.

  11. Can you show me your expense management app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One nightmare I have to deal with is expense management: I spend something on the work Amex card, I then have to bring up a copy of windows to run IE and hence access a worst-in-class expense management web application. I wont identify the company, other than to say everyone who worked on it should be shot, or at least banned from doing any kind of software job ever again.

    1. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by Dexx · · Score: 1

      Or the expense process, if they don't have an app. I have to print out the expense form, fill it in, sign it, scan it, send it to my manager in another country, get him to physically sign it, then get the signed form and the original receipts/invoices to the controller in a third office. I've got several thousand dollars worth of outstanding expenses.. somewhere.

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    2. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I don't like companies that want you to use your OWN money for traveling and training up front then get reimbursed. I would guess it's common in traveling jobs so you can manage your own funds, but making it common practice for "office" workers seems kind of tacky, especially when the expenses are more than your take home pay.

    3. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by Javagator · · Score: 1

      Hey, we have the same expense app!

    4. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      I don't like companies that want you to use your OWN money for traveling and training up front then get reimbursed.

      In 25 years and seven companies, I've never seen it any other way, for travel expenses at least. This is standard procedure for sales and consulting jobs.

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    5. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      need to start charging them interest and fees then for borrowing "my" money...ain't free after all.

    6. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that. Most people figure out how to work the float (and miles, and usage perks) in their own favor. Look at it as a stupid tax if it works against you.

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    7. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I don't like companies that want you to use your OWN money for traveling and training up front then get reimbursed.

      In 25 years and seven companies, I've never seen it any other way, for travel expenses at least.

      For travel expenses ... well I'll admit to buying a bus ticket when I'm going to the office or to visit a client and then claiming it back, and taxis to and from the airport. But anything more substantial, i.e. flights ... well I'd have to find out where and how to buy a flight. I gather it's not as simple as waling up to the airport (or taking the bus) and buying a ticket, because there's the difficulty of finding out how to get to wherever it is I've got to get, who does flights there etc. All of which is what we've got secretaries for.
      I had to buy flights for a holiday this year. It took weeks to find out what we needed to know, and a thoroughly discouraging experience it was too. Definitely what secretaries are for.

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    8. Re:Can you show me your expense management app? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I would suppose that's why companies have you pay, then you try to get the best deal possible with your money, and executives like it because they paid up front they get to keep the perks for vacation.

  12. Real working hours by Noam.of.Doom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I often ask what are the actual (real) work hours. In my experience, a contract with an IT company at a programming job, states a basic outline of the work hours that are demanded of you (09:00-18:00, for example). Most of the time these work hours are just formal and not actual, since these types of jobs are very demanding (the needs of meeting goals and dead-lines). The kinds of hours that you'll be working may differ from the ones stated in contract. This information is quite important if you have some kind of routine - if you study part time, for example.

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  13. Details on benefits by bwindle2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got a new job about 10 months ago.. during the interview, I asked about their benefits, and was told they were "pretty standard". Now, I learn how dishonest they were... health insurance is $850/month for family plan, and we only get 4 vacation days off a year (and only 5 paid holidays). No certification reimbursement, and they want to be able to call me on my personal cell phone after-hours. Lesson learned: get DETAILS.

    1. Re:Details on benefits by codeguy007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where do you live? Most places by law they have to give you minimum of 2 weeks and Stat Holidays (or atleast same number of days). I would check your rights.

    2. Re:Details on benefits by tanmanX · · Score: 1

      2 weeks? Wow! I wish I lived in your country. Here in Ohio, US, I had to work 2 years to get 2 weeks. my third week comes in 10 years. Course my company probably underpays everyone but the division manager.

    3. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd guess he lives somewhere in the US.... and that you live in Europe.

      I don't know of any state in the US where there's a minimum of two weeks vacation time. Not saying there aren't any, but I would be very, very surprised.

    4. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In the US, I'm pretty sure that NO state has any laws requiring vacation or holidays. If you're salaried (exempt from Overtime), your employer can ask you to work 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

      The only exception is that many states (CA for sure) requires that employers allow their employees time off (2 hours in CA) to vote on election days.

    5. Re:Details on benefits by paitre · · Score: 1

      I also work in the US, and I've never started a position where I had less than 2 weeks of ETO or vacation.
      The one place that I had offer me 1 week of ETO got a nicely worded "hell no", even though the offer was for 15k more than I was making at the time.

      If more people started quitting jobs that don't give acceptable amounts of ETO, as well as refusing to work for those places in the first place, the more likely they will be to increase that benefit.

      Yeah, I know - easier said than done, especially in this economy.

    6. Re:Details on benefits by ardiri · · Score: 0

      > and they want to be able to call me on my personal cell phone after-hours

      so your a 9-5 worker? mon-fri?

      as an employer; our contracts states that the business is of entrepreneurial/startup nature - were the employee may be expected to work outside of normal business hours, and possibly on the weekends in the case of emergency, this includes being contactable (24 hour turnaround) even when on vacation. but, then again - we offer six (6) weeks paid vacation a year; the extra week covers these "outside normal hours", which over the last three years has never happened.

      i interview people on a regular basis; and i honestly wish people were more like me - someone who loves their work. i take it home, i take it on vacation.. that's just me.

    7. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd only work a job like that if I'm getting paid by the hour (with 1.5x for overtime).

    8. Re:Details on benefits by Gonzoman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Where is this American "freedom" I keep hearing about? It seems than Americans are free to become slaves to their corporate masters.

      We have acceptable labour legislation and single payer health care where I live. I get 3 weeks vacation after a year of employment, overtime after 40 hours a week, protection from many workplace abuses and I can quit my job without losing my health care.

      These are basic rights which any worker should have. Economic freedom is also freedom.

    9. Re:Details on benefits by Wakkow · · Score: 1

      None of this was mentioned on employment offer letter?

    10. Re:Details on benefits by GarryFre · · Score: 1

      I'd be glad to get that but as it is I'm laid off. I'm a programmer dba person. If you move on can I have your job? I don't mean to sound flippant, its like what I said to a friend of mine who was always low on funds ... he said he didn't like the idea of working 40 hours a week that he likes his free time. I replied that I found that all the free time in the world isn't worth a plug nickel if you are spending all that time worrying about how you are going to get your next meal. He's been steadily/full-time employed ever since.

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    11. Re:Details on benefits by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a different understanding of freedom.

      You suggest that your government telling you that you may not contract with an employer for a job for less than three weeks vacation, no matter how much you'd like to do so, makes you more free.

      We suggest that when you are told that you aren't allowed to do something that is otherwise legitimate, you have less choice/less options and are thus less free.

      In the US there are industries where most employees have 12 weeks vacation every year. There are even industries where the norm is 40 weeks of vacation a year. Sometimes it just depends on what you and your employer find mutually beneficial. That's been the basis of trade and wealth for thousands of years. win-win exchanges that leave both parties better off.

      I suppose the question is, what if you preferred to have less than three weeks of vacation time in your job in exchange for some other benefit the company was willing to give you? (For example, if you got paid enough more that you could take two weeks instead and travel the world, while before you got paid enough to only travel locally for your three weeks. I'm sure you can think of other examples.) How are you more free if your government forces you not to make a contract that you'd prefer?

      Can you imagine wanting something other than what the government has decided you must desire?

      You may counter that the companies have all the power in the relationship, so you need the government to have the power and protect you instead. Generally, when the government and companies get together, it's not the employees and customers that win as a result. As long as there are plenty of competitors (the government hasn't set up one company as a monopoly nor over-regulated things to prevent competitors from joining the market), you are better off negotiating with several companies that can use your skills, because they have to compete for your labor. You are also entitled to start your own company if you think you can do it better. There's a reason we have so many small businesses in the US and there's a reason poor immigrants come here for opportunity and end up wealthy in less than a generation based solely on their hard work and smarts.

      Do you mentally make any connection between being forced to give 3 weeks vacation minimum (increasing the cost of employees to employers) and a high unemployment rate among the less skilled? Economists do.

      Do you think that someone who hasn't been in the work force and thus hasn't been able to learn valuable job skills and experience prefers to be unemployable rather than accept lower wages, lower benefits, and lower vacation time than someone available with more experience? What is moral about the majority telling them that they must stay unemployed and backing it up with force? Why do you think foreigners and young people in that situation in France riot? Is it because they are happy with the laws that keep them unemployable?

      Why should the most needy among us be punished for your preference for three weeks vacation? Can't you just negotiate that (and a corresponding pay cut) with a prospective employer instead of forcing the rest of us to bow down to your preference by using the political process and governmental force?

      Sure, if you ask most people if they want more vacation for free (no trade-offs), they'll agree that they'd like that. In the real world there's no-such-thing-as-a-free-lunch and to get that result someone sacrifices something else.

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    12. Re:Details on benefits by DevConcepts · · Score: 1

      My current job (+1yr Medical device R&D/Production, I'm on the R&D side) I didn't ask some of these questions and found out the hard way some of the things I took for granted of ALL of my past jobs was not included. Jury duty being paid, typically turn over your $19/day jury pay and get your normal check. Nope. Bereavement, usually 3 days paid off for immediate family, 1 day other family. Nope. Insurance price typical in industry. Nope $650/month, usually paid $250-300/month before, wound up getting it on my own for about $400/month.

      On the plus side, 2 weeks from the start, "overtime" (at straight pay) over 40 hrs and I'm salaried, very good work environment. The only real stress I have is the stress I put on myself.

    13. Re:Details on benefits by Chapter80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      DO NOT ask about benefits in the interview, ESPECIALLY in the first interview.

      Your mission in the "interview" process is to sell yourself, NOT to negotiate (or even understand) the terms of an offer. Separate the interview process from the negotiation process.

      Asking about benefits is comparable to a car sales person asking the prospective buyer about his capability to afford the car. (In other words, you would only do it as a "qualifying question", if you seriously doubted the company's capability to meet your requirements.) Good car sales people get you wanting the car, and sell features of the car before talking details of the offer. Once you want the car, as a potential buyer, you have overcome a major hurdle - it's *this* car over any other, provided we can come to terms. Then they start working the terms.

      No, don't talk benefits or pay. Instead, sell yourself, and then once you have them wanting you (instead of hundreds of your competitors), find out the details of the offer. Then feel free to negotiate better terms.

      The only 2 exceptions I can think of are if you want to qualify the company, or if you have VERY unusual requirements for benefits. For instance, if you have a dying out-of-town parent, you may want to touch on the vacation issue. This is something that most everyone can be empathetic to, and if you approach it in a way that is honest and human, and shows that you are willing to *give* in order to *get* what you want (like "I have a personal situation with a dying parent and so I'd like to work 50 hour weeks, so that I can take a few extra days off in the first two months. What's the company's flexibility to such short-term arrangements?" ...even that should be a "late in the interviewing process"-type question.

    14. Re:Details on benefits by schickb · · Score: 1

      You have no contract? Or a very incomplete contract? I've never worked anywhere, except perhaps as an hourly dishwasher in high-school, without a contract. That's like accepting a job only knowing that your salary will be "pretty good".

    15. Re:Details on benefits by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Those are some good benefits (assuming the pay is at least average for the position). The last place I worked you started with 1 week vacation/year for the first two years, then 2 weeks/year after that, and the pay was far below typical. The IT manager made just over 2/3rds average around here for an IT manager, same for the Production Manager. The IT Manager was the most important position there because of the nature of the business, and they were surprised they couldn't find anyone who was really good at the job.

    16. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 weeks? Americans! [shudders]

    17. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 weeks? Wow! I wish I lived in your country. Here in Ohio, US, I had to work 2 years to get 2 weeks. my third week comes in 10 years. Course my company probably underpays everyone but the division manager.

      Brazil has mandatory month-long vacations, but most importantly, salaried employees are still required to be paid for any overtime work they do.

      Then again, the money isn't as good.

    18. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're free to take another job, and move anywhere we see fit. Granted, this is not always a possibility. Employers shouldn't be required to give any paid vacation or holidays if they don't feel that it is appropriate. Two weeks vacation to start is pretty standard for most software/engineering type jobs around here.

    19. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're here in the US, those *are* standard. You should count yourself lucky that you're not at one of the companies with the "boss shits on your face" benefits plans.

    20. Re:Details on benefits by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      What you offer doesn't really seem like it's better than what companies here (in Sweden) offer.

      Five weeks of vacation time is pretty standard, and being on call 24/7 (including when on vacation) sounds horrible, I'd never go along with being on call unless I was compensated for it (my time is my time, if you want me to be ready to work outside of my regular 40 hours per week then I expect you to compensate me for the inconvenience).

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    21. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why you need three American workers to do the job of one. The company wants hours on the clock, not productivity or throughput, so the employees do little work and kids themselves doing a 10 your day is work. Whereas the reality, a fair amount of the time they're no doing anything company related. This is what happened in the old USSR.

    22. Re:Details on benefits by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      Often enough, lower ETOs come from companies that employ a wider variety of workers. Most places have the same package for all non-executives, so 2 weeks off to start with good benefits, which might be standard for a white collar worker, might not be what a company that runs call centers or warehouses will provide.

      The higher the average pay level in the company, the more sensible it is to give good benefits.

    23. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I basically disagree with your whole post. To put it in the most simplest terms, from my own personal view, I would benefit from your view, however, I believe a person needs a certain number of weeks off each year to become happy and enjoy life, however, most people aren't in a situation where they would be able to negotiate that. However, I also recognize that we will never be able to convince each other of our different stances. Myself, being a non-American right-wing (which in America would translate to more left than a Democrat) simply accepts that America is too different politically for me to ever accept.

      And for the record, I have 6 weeks of paid vacation and would gladly work less or make less if it meant I could get 10 weeks. Fortunately, I'm in the position where I can and know how to negotiate and will get this next year. No pay raise but an additional 4 weeks of paid vacation? Can't argue with that.

    24. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you are a big fan of slavery :-))) Because that's what businesses ideally want. It's simple economics... businesses want to spend as little money as possible to make as much profit as possible. Using slave labor is the option that produces ultimate results. The bottom line is that without reasonable checks and balances we would still live in the "dark" ages... with no benefits at all (no healthcare, no pension, etc) working 12 (or more) hour shifts... becoming completely drained and dying by the age of 50. Completely free market with no rules produces the world where 99% of the world population barely manage to get by while being exploited by a small number of super monopolies where each industry/market is run by one of those monopolies. The ultimate goal of any business/company is to grow... to grow as big as possible... eliminating competition, so the business/company can make more money. Using the expression from the "Highlander" movie... "there can be only one"... and that's the ultimate end point for the uncontrolled free market. What does it mean for the consumers and employees? It means no choice and it means being a slave to those few super monopolies. Think about that...

    25. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You suggest that your government telling you that you may not contract with an employer for a job for less than three weeks vacation, no matter how much you'd like to do so, makes you more free.

      We suggest that when you are told that you aren't allowed to do something that is otherwise legitimate, you have less choice/less options and are thus less free.

      Which would be fine, if negotiations were between parties of equal power.

      However, the employment market in many industries is close to an oligopsony. Consequently, prospective employers have far more say in contract writing than prospective employees, there is little effective competition between employers to drive working conditions to a reasonable level, and the negotiating power isn't equal.

      One of the valuable roles a government can play in maintaining a healthy society is that it can act as an equaliser in such circumstances. If you're going to allow the creation of artificial legal entities (corporations/shareholders) that disrupt the natural financial system (you work, you get paid; you don't pay, no-one works for you) then there has to be a flip side so that individual citizens don't get screwed as a result.

      It's just like monopoly abuse/anticompetitive behaviour, but the other way around: while I'm generally not a fan of excessive regulation of businesses, I also recognise that the natural end result of an unbalanced system will be very bad for most people, so I don't mind the balancing provisions.

      You may counter that the companies have all the power in the relationship, so you need the government to have the power and protect you instead. Generally, when the government and companies get together, it's not the employees and customers that win as a result. As long as there are plenty of competitors (the government hasn't set up one company as a monopoly nor over-regulated things to prevent competitors from joining the market), you are better off negotiating with several companies that can use your skills, because they have to compete for your labor.

      That's a lovely theory that is nothing like practice, for the reasons above.

      You are also entitled to start your own company if you think you can do it better.

      I did, thanks, and I'm working fewer hours, for more money, and (here's the telling one) making better products with more satisfied clients.

      But the amount of paperwork and admin required to do so, not because it's necessary for the job but because it's necessary to deal with all the government-imposed bureaucracy, is staggering. If you're going to argue that there should be more small, independent companies to keep the system honest and the real workers getting the real rewards, I'll be the first to agree with you, but changes would be needed to allow that on a significantly wider scale than today as well.

      Do you mentally make any connection between being forced to give 3 weeks vacation minimum (increasing the cost of employees to employers) and a high unemployment rate among the less skilled? Economists do.

      Erm... Right. Or we could just compare the notoriously bad working conditions in countries like the US and Japan with the conditions in places like Europe, Scandanavia, Australia and New Zealand. It's a shame I can't post the little chart I just built from a couple of Wikipedia tables showing unemployment rate and statutory minimum holidays by country, but if you're in any doubt, you might like to try the same exercise.

      Granted, this is looking at total unemployment and not just the rate among the less skilled, which is what you mentioned. Even so, with such huge variations in total unemployment levels with the same (higher) level of statutory minimum paid time off, I struggle to believe that increasing that statutory minimum would be economically damaging on any level.

      As an alternative theory, I suggest to you that people work better when properly rested an

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    26. Re:Details on benefits by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bull-shit.

      US citizens have far less holiday time than Europeans, but as yet there is no evidence of them being more productive. Anecdotally they seem less so.

      And as for individual negotiations, that may work for you or I, with degrees and experience, but anyone without that is screwed. No thanks, government exists to negotiate for the little man and he gets a better life out of it.

      The needy among us are the ones that suffer as they will work in any conditions for any money at all. Take your objectivism and stuff it.

    27. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here we have mandatory 2-weeks paid vacation time per year for full-time employees. It is NOT mandatory that you take it, some people negotiate to take the cash only, some save the time until later years to extend that vacation, etc.

    28. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      grow up and just shut the fuck up until then.

      if you think that worker protection laws are "against" the workers, you might take your time capsule back into the early times of industry. there you started to work as a child. you wouldn't get a chance to to go school. you were probably still hungry after spending your 16 hours shift. unless you died because of not being protected by any workplace safety laws.

      or even if there is no time machine, we would invite you to take a plane into some other parts of the world, where similar situations are still being found today.

    29. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do it differently with our company. Managers like myself have resumes filtered through HR for basic qualifications. We then perform basic phone interviews to judge personality, competency, etc, before bringing them in for a formal interview. Managers interview, our SVP interviews (small company), and our HR rep interviews -- the HR rep handles the benefits portion (outside of salary) regarding benefits, days off, etc. If there are any special conditions out of the HR meeting, we don't know, but we are sent back a budgetary notice that indicates the cost to the company of the concessions. For example, if I hire a developer at $60k/year, and her HR concessions are an extra $1k/year, I have to account for an extra $1k in next years' budget. We can give HR a cap on the cost -- e.g., I'm hiring someone at ~55k and know that next year, I won't have budget for more than $2k in concessions.

      Those that don't get concessions get the average concession back as a bonus at the end of the year, so it's mostly a wash anyway.

    30. Re:Details on benefits by AlXtreme · · Score: 1

      In the US there are industries where most employees have 12 weeks vacation every year. There are even industries where the norm is 40 weeks of vacation a year.

      Please enlighten me: which magical industry only requires 12 weeks of work every year? I must be in the wrong line of business.

      Somehow I think I know the answer: politics.

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    31. Re:Details on benefits by Splab · · Score: 1

      Danish here and thinking the same. 5 weeks paid vacation (by law, method of payment varies), and employer is not allowed to contact you while on vacation (only applies for normal workers, management has different terms).

    32. Re:Details on benefits by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      nope, not in the USA. In Michigan employers are not required to offer any vacation time at all. If they didn't, though, they would not keep many employees. Even then, they usually are careful to keep the specifics out of the "contract" (that's why they're employment "agreements" now) and offered as "work rules" which the Department of Labor leaves at THEIR sole discretion.

    33. Re:Details on benefits by Javagator · · Score: 1
      These are basic rights which any worker should have

      On the other hand, from what I hear, Americans tend to make more and have lower taxes. There are only 3 ways to create more wealth. Somebody has to work harder, longer, or smarter. When the government mandates something, it doesn't create wealth, it just moves it around.

    34. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US there are industries where most employees have 12 weeks vacation every year. There are even industries where the norm is 40 weeks of vacation a year.

      Please enlighten me: which magical industry only requires 12 weeks of work every year? I must be in the wrong line of business.

      Somehow I think I know the answer: politics.

      Crab fishing, for one. A few weeks of high paying, but horrifically bad work is enough to live off for a year. Never seen Deadliest Catch on the Discovery Channel?

    35. Re:Details on benefits by bjourne · · Score: 1

      Asking about benefits is comparable to a car sales person asking the prospective buyer about his capability to afford the car. (In other words, you would only do it as a "qualifying question", if you seriously doubted the company's capability to meet your requirements.) Good car sales people get you wanting the car, and sell features of the car before talking details of the offer.

      Your car example contradicts the rest of your advice. One of the most potent way for a salesman to increase customer interest is to tell him that he cannot afford it. It signals confidence in the product and its value. The car salesman implies that he doesn't need the customers business, there's plenty of other people he can sell the car to.

      It is exactly that kind of confidence you want to display at a job interview which is why you want to talk about benefits and show that you have high standards. You are the car salesman and the interviewer is your customer. All that matters is the feeling, the feeling the car customer gets about the card and the feeling the interviewer gets about you. That is why confidence is crucial.

    36. Re:Details on benefits by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Teaching typically requires 40 weeks of work. Crab fishing, some dangerous oil-derrick related jobs, summer firefighting, typically dangerous and seasonal jobs are the ones that only require about 12 weeks of work a year.

      Those are the ones I had in mind when I made my statement. I'm sure there are more than that as well.

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    37. Re:Details on benefits by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      I already pre-answered your objection about power disparity. I even mentioned one of the main causes of it, which you yourself agreed to, the government regulations that serve as a barrier to entry, limiting competition and assisting existing large companies in an industry.

      In practice, government imposed requirements of minimum vacation time serve as a way to limit competition for jobs from the least skilled and knowledgeable in society. They're the ones who would take a job for less benefit if it was offered to them, because they can't get started in the workforce any other way.

      It's the same reasons employee unions are in favor of minimum wage increases. It reduces competition for jobs by pricing some individuals out of the market.

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    38. Re:Details on benefits by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      The needy among us are the ones that suffer as they will work in any conditions for any money at all.

      Precisely my point. You punish the young, the needy, and the discriminated against who would rather have a job so that they can eventually gain the experience and skills they need to get a better job and make enough to easily support themselves by imposing your preference that they have no job at all rather than one where they'd get less than 3 weeks vacation. (Or whatever the employment restriction de jour is.)

      You sound like one of those people who condemn companies for paying only a dollar an hour in a third-world country where if they weren't paying a dollar an hour, the people they were paying would be starving on ten cents a day. Don't let your self-righteousness get in the way of people who want to improve their lives through honest labor.

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    39. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude that freaking SUCKS!!! 4 days! They can't even make it a freaking even week! Are they psychotic? And 5 paid holidays? Which of the following 6 are they not giving you: new years, christmas, 4th of july, thanksgiving, memorial day, labor day. What is this a gas station? Damn!

    40. Re:Details on benefits by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      If you want statistics, see:
      http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/07/13/europes_new_lost_generation
      http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/24/content_11762331.htm

      Three weeks of vacation, anti-firing laws, and other regulations that drive up the base cost of employing anyone, hurt those who need a job, but can't offer enough initial value to a potential employer to overcome the minimums they have to spend on them. That group is typically the young, the undereducated, and racial/cultural minorities.

      The worst part is that those groups would spend some time doing entry-level stuff and learning how to be more valuable in their work through new skills, work habits, and knowledge, except the government makes it illegal to employ them at the entry-level rate they can profitably be employed.

      An entry level job is better than no job at all.

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    41. Re:Details on benefits by oatworm · · Score: 1

      He might live in Nevada or some similar state - I've dealt with a number of jobs out here that had some interesting ideas on what appropriate ETO was. My personal favorite was the job that gave me one week a year and insisted that I don't take it "all at once" since it would mean they'd actually have to shuffle scheduling around to cover for me. You don't even want to know what the health plan looked like.

      Needless to say, I got out of there ASAP. It was my first tech job, though, so I didn't complain much at the time. In hindsight, I really should have.

    42. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      If you want statistics, see:

      Erm... I don't think you read your sources very carefully. Take another look, and note what the first article says both about graduate-level jobseekers and about the kind of employment the younger demographic had before anyway. And the second just notes that the young are disproportionately unemployed. This is unsurprising regardless of the legal restrictions on employers, because staff with a bit of experience are typically disproportionately productive compared to the additional cost of hiring them.

      The problems in each case aren't due to mandated minimum wages or minimum holiday allowances. It's the fact that the economy has slowed so much that entire companies are disappearing, leaving fewer jobs to go around. And for the record, the jobs are disappearing and the economic situation is screwing less employable demographics just as much in countries without the legal restrictions on employers.

      An entry level job is better than no job at all.

      The thing is, that's where your whole argument falls apart. An entry level job that pays below the poverty line typically isn't better than no job at all, if it means giving up benefits. Most of the countries I mentioned would provide social support to people in that position if they didn't have jobs. And if you consider that to be poor policy and an abuse of taxpayers' money, consider that it costs much more to leave those people on their own and then deal with them when they inevitably wind up in the criminal justice system. Given that in most of those countries, the minimum wage isn't far above the poverty line anyway, I don't know where the market for all these lower-paying jobs you're hypothesizing comes from.

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    43. Re:Details on benefits by theultramage · · Score: 1

      Over here in Slovakia, law dictates mandatory 4 weeks per year of employment (fractions are supported), 5 weeks if you worked+studied for 15+ years after 18, and 8 weeks if you're a teacher. Maybe the poster was referring to some other form of free days? '4' sounds like a mistake/miscalculation made somewhere.

    44. Re:Details on benefits by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      I don't know where the market for all these lower-paying jobs you're hypothesizing comes from.

      You can't have it both ways. Either there is a market for lower-paying jobs and the government is accomplishing something by making it illegal, or else there isn't and the government's regulations on the matter are thus pointless.

      It's not very logical to say that since the government has made something illegal, there wouldn't be a market for it if it was legal.

      It's basic economics. (http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp) If you increase the price of something (say, less skilled workers) beyond the market clearing price, you get oversupply. Oversupply is what is referred to as unemployment in labor markets.

      See http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa106.html or a dozen other references you can google for how things like minimum wage and other employeer-employees regulations affect employment.

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    45. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      You can't have it both ways. Either there is a market for lower-paying jobs and the government is accomplishing something by making it illegal, or else there isn't and the government's regulations on the matter are thus pointless.

      This is my point: there isn't very much of a market for substandard jobs. The minimum wage (at least in my country) doesn't affect many people and never has. It just prevents abuse in a small minority of cases. In some industries, the only significant competition for low-paid jobs comes from foreign workers from places like Poland, but that's a separate issue and gets into the EU's madness in expanding as fast as it has to include countries with vastly different economic strength, which doesn't really help anyone in the short term.

      As far as the more significant restrictions, such as paid holiday entitlement, are concerned, employees who are well rested rather than overworked are typically more productive overall. There is no rational market at all for jobs with substandard working conditions, because whoever you employ in that role will be more effective with proper rest. The only people who think otherwise are poor managers who equate hours worked with productive activity, and frankly if they can't take the government enforcing common sense on them and preventing them from both screwing employees and doing a disservice to their employers, well, tell them to close the door behind them on the way out.

      See http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa106.html or a dozen other references you can google for how things like minimum wage and other employeer-employees regulations affect employment.

      You can cite academic theories as much as you like. I'm looking at empirical data from a wide range of countries with a wide range of employment laws. The kind of economic hit you are assuming from these sorts of laws should show up as a correlation between lesser restrictions on employers and greater productivity in some sense, but as far as I can see, that correlation simply isn't there.

      As I noted earlier, if you look at basic economic measures like per capita GDP — not to mention quality of life indicators such as general health, life expectancy, and of course work-life balance — the countries that do impose minimum holiday requirements around the 4–5 week level and a minimum wage slightly above the poverty line do at least as well, and often much better, than places like the United States. Any pretense that the latter nation is somehow more productive because of its abusive working conditions, as some people on this forum have argued in the past, has pretty much been shown for the fiction is was by the recent economic crash.

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    46. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You punish the young, the needy, and the discriminated against who would rather have a job so that they can eventually gain the experience and skills they need to get a better job and make enough to easily support themselves by imposing your preference that they have no job at all rather than one where they'd get less than 3 weeks vacation.

      So what's supposed to happen in your world? Young kid leaves school at around 15–16, goes to flip burgers and clean toilets at Maccy D's for a while, and then becomes — what? A skilled tradesman? A doctor or dentist? A teacher? A lawyer? Head of the government? Chief executive of his own business?

      I know someone who did in fact start his career flipping burgers and went on to become a qualified engineer, but somehow I think the four years of study at university in between had more to do with his career advancement than the burger flipping experience.

      You sound like one of those people who condemn companies for paying only a dollar an hour in a third-world country where if they weren't paying a dollar an hour, the people they were paying would be starving on ten cents a day.

      And if the cost of living in those countries were the same as in the US, your strawman would be relevant.

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    47. Re:Details on benefits by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      One of the most potent way for a salesman to increase customer interest is to tell him that he cannot afford it. It signals confidence in the product and its value. The car salesman implies that he doesn't need the customers business, there's plenty of other people he can sell the car to.

      "And would the gentleman to whom you are the gentleman for, show a financial interest in acquiring such a vehicle?" asked the motor's agent.

      Ice formed on the upper reaches of the butler. "Sir should not presume to ask. But a draught can be arranged, if that's the extent of it."

      Confidence in your own value, and a neutral attitude of "is this arrangement the best for both of us?" sends a clear signal that it's worth it for them to pursue the arrangement. It's also a least-baggage, lowest anxiety approach to the arrangement. If you're right for each other, nobody will flinch at adjusting conditions to make it work. If you're not, then no amount of adjustment will help.

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    48. Re:Details on benefits by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Except your strawman falls apart when it turns out that, looking at oter parts of the world, these things don't happen. What happens when the protections are removed is that more people live in poverty and are paid less.

      Your worldview is based on fiction.

    49. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are really good at what you do, you want to get that out of the way. Why wait for some guy with a thick accent to beat you up with academic questions for multiple rounds as part of their "sniff" test if you don't think they can deliver.

      Sorry pal, the interview process is a two way street.
      You need to man up and grow a pair.

    50. Re:Details on benefits by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the US there are industries where most employees have 12 weeks vacation every year.

      I hope, I really hope, that this isn't a clueless swing at teachers who "only work a few hours a day and get the whole summer off".

      I suppose the question is, what if you preferred to have less than three weeks of vacation time in your job in exchange for some other benefit the company was willing to give you?

      Back in the late 90's, as a newly-minted computer-science Ph.D. who was also a hot coder, I quickly worked my way up to a very nice salary, but my employers expected programmers to put in ridiculous overtime on a regular basis. I would gladly have accepted a 50% pay cut in exchange for a 50% cut in actual hours, which realistically would probably have involved only a 25% reduction in net productivity -- indeed, toward the end, it would have increased my net productivity considerably. Oddly, though, this sort of option was never, ever on the table. It was assumed that if you weren't willing to put in the 80-hour weeks, you were an inferior specimen.

      I've been lucky -- yes, lucky -- enough to fall into a position where I'm expected to work sane hours, albeit at a much lower salary, on intrinsically interesting problems. But if you're imagining some perfect market where I can easily find and choose an employer like this, and most of my peers continue to do the unpaid overtime simply because they like it, well, I admire your imagination.

    51. Re:Details on benefits by tom's+a-cold · · Score: 1

      Why do you think foreigners and young people in that situation in France riot? Is it because they are happy with the laws that keep them unemployable?

      No, it's generally because of racism or because a cop has murdered another kid.

      And your whole "freedom-to-be-exploited" argument is similarly off-target.

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    52. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a new job about 10 months ago.. during the interview, I asked about their benefits, and was told they were "pretty standard". Now, I learn how dishonest they were... health insurance is $850/month for family plan, and we only get 4 vacation days off a year (and only 5 paid holidays). No certification reimbursement, and they want to be able to call me on my personal cell phone after-hours. Lesson learned: get DETAILS.

      I worked for a place that started out wonderfully. But the BoD eventually decided the current CEO (a truly great guy) was not the one to lead the company into the 21st century. The new asshole destroyed the place and moved the center of power from California, where it had been founded 25 years earlier, to Minnesota where he and his former company were based.

      Hints: the outfit was heavily involved in accounting for Enron. They tried to hide by changing the company name to a computer-generated non-word that coincidentally used the initials of the former name as the first two letters of the new name.

      Just one of the cheesy-ass things they pulled was to get rid of any printed employee manuals. To read it online, you first had to click through a page where you acknowledged that you were an at-will (late 20th century neologism for "temp") employee. Nice going, assholes -- just another way to make the employee grovel just to find out what his remaining two rights were.

    53. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US there are industries where most employees have 12 weeks vacation every year. There are even industries where the norm is 40 weeks of vacation a year.

      Unless you can name five industries where this is true (other than independently wealthy high-end call girls), you're a lying son of a bitch who pulls numbers out of his asshole.

      The rest of your bullshit rant about employers "competing" for employees just shows that you've never heard the phrase "race to the bottom".

    54. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? In which industry is it that "the norm is 40 weeks of vacation a year"??? Grape-picking in California? That would be an unpaid vacation, then.

      I thought the question referred to paid vacations - I moved from Sweden to Japan, and I am still missing my 7-week Swedish vacations, as most Japanese barely manage a 7-day paid vacation.

      Generally speaking, do ask about the benefits. But do not negotiate. Ask if they are the same as for your industry in general, and if there are significant exceptions. Having lived in the US, I do think health benefits and flexible worktime policy actually should be asked in the first interview. You will want to know if you are desperate enough to take the job.

      But yes, questions about salary etc should come later.

    55. Re:Details on benefits by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Erm... Right. Or we could just compare the notoriously bad working conditions in countries like the US and Japan with the conditions in places like Europe, Scandanavia, Australia and New Zealand. It's a shame

      Just a note about the "unemployment" in Germany and maybe the UK:

      In Germany, being unemployed means that the government gives you money to pay for your flat and to live a modest life. In total, it is 700 Euro ($990) per month. And that is just for one person, if both you and your partner are jobless, you will get some quantity (I am not sure if it is the same) x 2.

      I know it the UK they have some unemployment payment scheme as well, where government also gets unemployed people housing (in Wales... [un]fortunately ). Even then, people can opt to sell the "big issue" and grab some spare cash for a Pint. I still do not know if in Germany it is possible to get an income while claiming unemployment cash.

      However, I do know that it is possible to work (albeit, illegally) while receiving unemployment cash in Germany.

      Thus, a lot of people which are jobless in Germany are so, not because there are no jobs but because they just not want to work. Everytime I walk around the streets of the German city where I live, I despise when some random guy is sitting in the street asking for some spare change. Just because I know they only want the money to get more beer.

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    56. Re:Details on benefits by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Jeez, I know some of the other responders are European and as such tend to have different (more enlightened, I'd say, in some cases) views on acceptable work terms, but as an American I'd still not want to work for you. And that's fine: you'd probably not want me as an employee, either. My life is my life, and my work is my work. They overlap occasionally, but I like to keep that at a minimum. Perhaps that's a sign that I haven't found the work I really love, or, perhaps, as you say of yourself... "that's just me."

      It's great that you try to compensate with the semi-on-call status you expect from your employees with higher than average (for the US) vacation time, but honestly I'd feel a bit stifled: it's not really "my time" if my employer can intrude upon it and require my response within 24 hours. In fact, that requirement would have ruled out at least one vacation I've taken in the past year.

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    57. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 weeks? Wow! I wish I lived in your country. Here in Ohio, US, I had to work 2 years to get 2 weeks. my third week comes in 10 years. Course my company probably underpays everyone but the division manager.

      Hai guise !

      In Germany you get 6 weeks.
      How does it feel to be in the land of the free ?

      PS: Germany has universal healthcare. Kek.

    58. Re:Details on benefits by endianx · · Score: 1

      You never have the "right" to time off, regardless of what your government says.

    59. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as there are plenty of competitors (the government hasn't set up one company as a monopoly nor over-regulated things to prevent competitors from joining the market)...

      You missed another possible problem. Some markets are natural monopolies - they end up as monopolies unless the government intervenes to promote competition in the market.

      Apart from that, very well-written post.

    60. Re:Details on benefits by khchung · · Score: 1

      DO NOT ask about benefits in the interview, ESPECIALLY in the first interview.

      I hear this quite often, but I disagree with it almost all the time.

      It may be different by cultures, but there may not always be a second interview at all. So at least you should ask what is the usual hiring process and how many interviews (and with whom) you should expect. If there may not be a 2nd interview, then you need to ask anything important to you during that first and only interview.

      While selling yourself is important, it is also important for both side to find out the ballpark range of each other, to avoid wasting each others' time. So bring up the range of the pay is a good idea even for the first interview. I have been through quite a few interviews, and I ask about the job nature, pay and realistic working hours (the 3 most important aspect of job for me) every time.

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    61. Re:Details on benefits by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      Sorry you feel that way. I'm coming from a background of having interviewed over a thousand candidates and seeing what works and what doesn't.

      So yeah, if you want to critique me, have at it. I'm the one who has never been unemployed, never been under-employed, and most always been on the HIRING end (not the desperate for a job -end) of the interviewing process.

      So good luck to you and your pair, Mr. Anonymous Coward. Maybe your pair is too large for your pants, and that's why your asshole is showing through on the back-side.

    62. Re:Details on benefits by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      well, asking about benefits is a "what's in it for me" -type question. Few people can pull it off without sounding greedy.

      If you have confidence, and they you have already sold them on your capability, then you are in the negotiating phase, and it's ok to discuss the potential terms of an agreement. But if you are interviewing, and do not have an industry reputation that someone would recognize (i.e. 95%+ of the people out there), then you should stick to a confident, modest, non-greedy approach.

    63. Re:Details on benefits by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      If you are the "BMW" candidate, then you have a recognized reputation in your industry, and then you can pull off the "I am confident in my value; convince me why you are the best company for me".

      However, if you are like 95%+ of the candidates out there, your first interview is your first impression, and a humble, "I'm here to work my butt off, and am confident I will be appropriately compensated" approach in the INTERVIEWING process is the best way to secure an offer.

      You can always negotiate after you secure an offer, or at least ask to better understand the terms of the offer (like "what benefits are included in this offer?")

    64. Re:Details on benefits by codeguy007 · · Score: 1

      Of course you do. No one is forcing you to go to work. Though depending on the circumstances surrounding your time off, the company may have the grounds to fire you.

    65. Re:Details on benefits by tholomyes · · Score: 1

      Bull-shit.

      US citizens have far less holiday time than Europeans, but as yet there is no evidence of them being more productive. Anecdotally they seem less so.

      So much for anecdotal evidence. According to a 2007 study by the International Labour Organization, each U.S. worker produces US$63,885 of wealth per year, more than any other country (followed by Ireland at $55,986 per worker; Luxembourg at $55,641; Belgium, $55,235; and France, $54,609. The productivity figure is found by dividing the country's gross domestic product by the number of people employed. The U.N. report is based on 2006 figures for many countries, or the most recent available.

      Of course, Americans work more hours per year than in most other developed economies. However, measured as value added per hour worked, Norway has the highest productivity level ($37.99), followed by the United States ($35.63) and France ($35.08).

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    66. Re:Details on benefits by endianx · · Score: 1

      The conversation has been in regards to paid time off. Obviously we have not been talking about employers physically restraining employees.

    67. Re:Details on benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EXCELLENT! Well said.

    68. Re:Details on benefits by festers · · Score: 1

      Yes, by all means ask the questions to get those details...AFTER you get an offer from the company. The principle is simple: until you've got something (an offer), you've got nothing. Asking about salary, benefits, hours, etc. before you have an offer only hurts your chances of getting a job. Why should you care about those things when you have no reason to believe you will work for that company? Those details are meaningless until you are hired. Once the offer is on the table, however, the balance of power shifts and you can ask those types of questions without hesitation.

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    69. Re:Details on benefits by holmstar · · Score: 1

      Seasonal jobs are just that. Seasonal. You don't get paid when you aren't working, thus it isn't vacation time. This discussion is about paid time off.

    70. Re:Details on benefits by F'Nok · · Score: 1

      If you want to cherry pick your sources for data, you'll never achieve anything.

      The GP listed Australia and New Zealand, and you decided to cite the EU.
      All you're doing is proving their original point; there are countries with low and high unemployment with all sorts of employment regulations. Holiday time is not a deciding factor on this.

      I've never seen a job with less than 4 weeks holiday time here; in Australia. They don't exist.

      So please, enlighten us why America is in economic meltdown and Australia is not?

      Because the meltdown, job availability, and holiday times are virtually unrelated and you're assigning some magic property to holiday times that does not exist.

      Setting minimums on holidays prevents abuse of the poorer workers, and increases general health of people (which also reduces strain on the medical systems).

  14. Management by jo42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just how [in]competent is the management here?

    1. Re:Management by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Do you operate more like Dilbert or more like Get Fuzzy?

    2. Re:Management by DriveMelter · · Score: 1

      I once asked a first interview panel why two of the board of directors had left in the last 6 months. They did not give a convincing answer so I turned the company down

    3. Re:Management by gblfxt · · Score: 1

      good question, but im afraid it will end up with a negative answer or result about every time. who knows what koolaid they put in manamements drinks...... *cough* nepotism *cough*

  15. COnsider how it comes across by kenh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Asking follow-up questions tied to the things the interviewer just spoke on (job responsibilities, organizational policies, challenges, etc.) will win you huge points because it shows you were listening, and you are interested in their organization. Asking questions about benefits, promotions, dress code, and other ephemera will signal to the interviewer that you may only be interested in drawing a paycheck, not being part of a group solving problems and working together. If you want generic questions to ask all employers, consider questions like "Who are your competitors?" or "What specifically in my CV/resume interested you?" The goal of the interview is to get the offer, and the best way to get the offer is to demonstrate an interest in the organization you are interviewing with, an understanding of the industry they are in, and at some level the challenges they face in the current market. As for the dress code question, you dress for your first day just like you dressed for your interview, unless told otherwise, and on the first day your new boss/HR/co-worker will tell you how to dress for the second day. Asking about dress code during the interview will send up a red flag that you may be someone that will challenge the dress code at some point down the line, that would be a strike against you.

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    1. Re:COnsider how it comes across by turbidostato · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The goal of the interview is to get the offer"

      It is not, unless you really want *any* job they could offer (flipping burgers included). If that's not the case, the goal of the interview is not to get the offer but to get the offer *if* it fits both parties. If you can naturally get the questions you are interested in rised during the interview, good, if not, directly question them shows professionality and that you are really interested on the job, not only the paycheck.

    2. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Competition: I wouldn't think about asking about the competition. First it's good to be "into" the particular industry, so you know that anyhow. If not, this is one of the things that's going to create an odd moment when you're being asked if you interviewed with one of them...

      Dress code: Unless you've been referred by friend or family (that's for sure a talking point before the interview), in my view it's perfectly fine to ask about dress code. This makes for some light conversation.

      Internet: Bad question. That's one of the possibly sensitive issues if there's been a problem recently and there's always those weird anecdotes from a couple of years back that are semi-appropriate. The bottom line there is that you'll be getting what you need for the position (in theory, at least), so there's really nothing to talk about here anyways.

      And yeah, better know what's ahead or just be flat ready for a drug test cold.

    3. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The goal of the interview is to get the offer, and the best way to get the offer is to demonstrate an interest in the organization you are interviewing with, an understanding of the industry they are in, and at some level the challenges they face in the current market.

      An offer is only useful if you'll enjoy working there (unless you're simply desperate, which can be understandable as well). If you're not desperate, then you want to know you're jumping ship to a place that you'll want to stick around.

      Asking about dress code during the interview will send up a red flag that you may be someone that will challenge the dress code at some point down the line, that would be a strike against you.

      I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes ....
              -- Henry David Thoreau, _Walden_

      If the corporate culture is suits and ties, and all you have it jeans and t-shirts, that's a red flag to you. It's not that you will hate working there, but now you have to shell out cash to get a new wardrobe. For some people this is important, for others it's not.

      Presumably if you're looking around for a new place to work you're not happy with where you are. Why would you go to another place where you'll be unhappy? If you're desperate--bills piling up--then sure, be a bit more careful on these questions. But if you have some time to pick and choose, it's better to be honest about things so there are fewer surprises later on.

    4. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      in this economy, the goal is to get any offer that pays the bills.

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    5. Re:COnsider how it comes across by dcam · · Score: 1

      Something that a lot of people don't seem to realise: interviews are two way communication. Being interviewed for a job is as much finding out about a place as it is conveying information about yourself.

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    6. Re:COnsider how it comes across by jparker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've conducted dozens of programmer interviews, and I totally disagree. The point of the interview is not to get a job, it's to allow both parties a chance to see if this pairing will work. If I can tell that a prospective employee is just concerned with getting hired, that's a huge red flag. I want to hire someone passionate about the same things that my team is passionate about, someone who will have a good sense of humor when we're both still there at 2 AM, and, of course, someone who has the skills required.

      The vast majority of candidates, when they get to the "Do you have any questions for us?" bit, just clam up. "Uh, no, not really." Oh? You're about to commit 40+ hours a week to working for me, and you can't think of anything you'd like to get reassurance on before that happens? I think of this part of the interview as a critical thinking test. You're about to be thrown into a new project; what are the important questions to ask?

      Sticking to the job is fine; there are a lot of questions that are good to ask there, but I view going outside the job, to questions about fit, demographics, team structure and interaction, etc as a sign of experience. You've got a lot less to worry about from the guy who asks if his cynical style will be a problem than from the guy who doesn't. Questions about fit show me that you know what it takes to make you happy, which is great. We can check to see if our culture matches, if not, no hard feelings. I work in video games, so the attitude might be a bit different; every company says you should be excited about your work, but most people here actually are, and if you're not it's often a problem. The more people like that we can weed out, the better.

      As an interviewer, I love the questions the interviewee asks. As parent poster implies, they tell you a lot about what the candidate thinks is important. Questions that focus solely on job function, ignoring job environment, show someone inexperienced or uninterested. If the questions show that the candidate is trying to find a good fit, a place where he can be himself and excel, that's the guy that gets the thumbs up.

    7. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      in this economy, the goal is to get any offer that pays the bills.

      Yeah, I always wanted to say, "Can we just forget about this bullshit? I'll work my ass off, get the job done and on time. I don't give a shit about "growth" because I know that there can only be so many mangers and I'll concede now. I just want a job. I'll work to keep it. My identity isn't based upon my career. I'll be more than happy to help others achieve their goals to "grow". I'll be a great team member."

      No, corporate America is based upon everyone fighting one another to get ahead while at the same time promoting "team work". The scary ones are the ones who actually fall for that horseshit.

      I took that lesson with me when I became an entrepreneur. You want to work at home to be with your small children and you need an income and something to do? No problem. It worked great for Jetblue. I can work in just about anyone into an organization. I build the team. I know how to work in various people with different talents and degrees of ability. I don't need to hire just "stars".

    8. Re:COnsider how it comes across by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      "Getting the offer" should never be the entire goal. You should have the twin goals of getting the offer and determining if you actually *want* to work for the company.

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    9. Re:COnsider how it comes across by joeyblades · · Score: 1

      Asking questions about benefits, promotions, dress code, and other ephemera will signal to the interviewer that you may only be interested in drawing a paycheck...

      I disagree about some of this. Asking about benefits shows a sense of responsibility and mature thinking. Most interviewers will not look at this as simply interested in a paycheck.

      Asking about dress code just shows that you want to fit in and be part of a team and helps you prepare to augment your wardrobe, should you get the job.

      When I interview job candidates, I usually make it a point to describe the various dress code expectations for different roles and situations (e.g. don't wear shorts and flip-flops in customer meetings). I also try to highlight the key points in the benefits plan, but always probe to make sure that they get all of their questions answered and may even take them to talk to someone in the benefits office.

    10. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newsflash: a big part of why virtually anybody takes a job is to get paid for it. If you want to be part of a group solving problems and working together, you can do this much more easily on the interwebs.

      Any company which rejects a candidate for asking about benefits and dress code is most likely to be a company with shitty benefits which requires all the programmers to wear suits.

      There's an interesting dichotomy taking place in these comments. About half the people think that "What questions should I ask?" means "What questions should I ask in order to make myself sound interested and useful, and thus further the chances of getting an offer?" And then the other half think it means, "What questions should I ask in order to determine whether I really want to work for this company or not?"

      You're clearly in the first half. I'm clearly in the second half.

    11. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't turn down an offer until you get an offer. All the questions about benefits, dress code, where do I eat, can be answered elsewhere. If you don't know how to get those answers outside an interview, you should consider staying where you are now, because looking for a job is a waste of your time.

    12. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we seem to have continually bad economy since about the year 2000. We've been trained to see it that way and have gotten to the point where, upon an upwards turn of the economy, some drama will magically, and timely, unfold to make us realize just how close to the cliff we've already gotten... again. And again... and... again.

      I call bullshit.

    13. Re:COnsider how it comes across by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "You can't turn down an offer until you get an offer. All the questions about benefits, dress code, where do I eat, can be answered elsewhere."

      Probably you are right. Where/when do you propose "elsewhere" means?

    14. Re:COnsider how it comes across by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Generally though if you're being strategic then you're only applying to offers that are an improvement over your current position and salary. I'm not going to be applying for burger flipping or any other jobs.

      Unless of course I'm unemployed, and then quite honestly I would do anything up to and including burger flipping to get some level of income until I find something better.

      The reality is any job that you've applied for you should already have done enough filtering to have decided that you DO want the job. The interview is the place you convince the employer to give you that job. Once you've gotten past that stage you can negotiate the salary and benefits up or down (though usually benefits are standard company-wide and not negotiable).

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    15. Re:COnsider how it comes across by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "The interview is the place you convince the employer to give you that job. Once you've gotten past that stage you can negotiate the salary and benefits up or down (though usually benefits are standard company-wide and not negotiable)."

      I think "different countries, different customes" then. In my country, except for high managerial positions, almost everything is tied out after the final interview (which usually it's the only face-to-face interview): you'll recieve a closed offer after that which you are expected to either accept or reject without further negotiation since that's what the final interview is for; hence you should be sure all major issues are already strighten out to your comfort.

    16. Re:COnsider how it comes across by sjdude · · Score: 1

      I want to hire someone passionate about the same things that my team is passionate about, someone who will have a good sense of humor when we're both still there at 2 AM, and, of course, someone who has the skills required.

      I am absolutely fucking sick of people talking about being passionate about a fucking job!! WTF?!! Unless you are self employed or you are an early hire at a start up that actually has an IPO chance (and you have a 1% stake or better), there is NO reason to be passionate about a "job". Effective yes, passionate no. If you are some feckless hiring middle manager talking about being passionate about a goddamn "job", you are simply full of shit. Fuck you.

    17. Re:COnsider how it comes across by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The "Who are your competitors" question is one of the most important to ask and understand, ideally in a phone interview so you can do research for an in-person interview. To that, I would add for the final interview:

      • What differentiates you from your competitors?
      • How has your growth been over the past x years compared to your competitors?
      • What areas do you see your organization trying to become more like your competitors?
      • What do your customers like about working with your organization?
      • Who are your biggest customers?

      Based on the resumes coming across my desk, my biggest concern with potential candidates is short tenure at previous jobs. People on two-year cycles are damaging to a company that tries to promote long-term employees. People that get fired after two years because they can't hide their incompetence any longer become a money-pit.

      I know it is hard on job seekers in this market to go to every interview optimistic and not formulaic, but at least for me with a small company I want to meet people that want to work with me.

      If you are talking to a company that does a lot of work scattered about from a single or couple offices, ask about travel opportunities and expectations. Be sure to phrase it in a way that shows your knowledge about the company, not in a way that sounds like either all you want to do is travel, or you don't want to travel at all.

      Ask about the typical career path for someone at the company.

      For the older generation, one strong selling point for an engineer we just hired was that he was willing to work full-time, but really just wanted to work three days a week. That immediately took pressure off us of "what if he can't perform?" New grads, if you are having trouble finding something, then offer yourself up as part-time (24 hours a week), "if that works better for you right now."

      Small companies that are looking to grow still have a cautious outlook; people that can fill a strategic role long-term but also support business concerns on a short-term become extremely attractive.

    18. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      I make it very clear to all my potential employers that I am not willing to devote my life to any company. Drawing a paycheck isn't as interesting to me as just seeing new things and situations (I work in security), but I always keep a good balance between my professional life and my personal life. I never understood this notion that an interview was about showing a company how much cock you are willing to suck to get ahead.

      When I interview I make it very clear that flexible hours are important, and I don't take work home. If someone is paying me to work on a project, it belongs to them, not me, and I will only invest my time into their project while they are paying me. This attitude is helpful at places like Intel, when projects get scrapped left and right. The last time a project I was working on got canned, I thought of it as an annoying waste of resources, but some others on my team were completely devastated and emotionally drained for weeks. Never drink the company cool-aide.

      At the end of interviews, I always like asking them why they think security is important for their product/project/network. I don't like being the one they hire just so they can check off a box that says "we had a security auditor look at it". I break stuff, and I like to know that it's actually going to get fixed. It's always best to leave a company immediately if they don't take security seriously, because when the shit hits the fan, you become blame sponge, and your career will be over if people see that you just let security infractions slide.

    19. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Definitely agree -- the corporate world has changed a lot to where companies think that by working for them, they own you completely.

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    20. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Nursie · · Score: 1

      He didn't say about the job, he said about the same things the team were passionate about.

      I'm a terrible geek and I love technology. I get on well with my cow-orkers because we're all passionate about computers and beer.

      If you're in software engineering and you're not passionate about computers in some way, you'll stick out as the fake that you are sooner or later.

    21. Re:COnsider how it comes across by npsimons · · Score: 1

      Asking questions about benefits, promotions, dress code, and other ephemera . . .

      Benefits are ephemera? Wow, what company do you work for? I'm just curious because I don't want to ever work for them.

    22. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. The point of the interview is for you to get an offer. It really does not matter what they offer you. That can be negotiated later. Once they give you an offer, they are saying that they want you to be a part of the company. They have decided that they want you. If the job that they offer is not what you are looking for, then tell them and they might have another opening in a different department that suits your needs. But, you then have a person in a hiring position as an advocate for you, which can be very powerful. Or they might refer you to someone at a client or vendor who is looking for someone of your skills. Either way, just having the offer puts you at an advantaged position.

    23. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Gravedigger3 · · Score: 1

      I wish my boss worked in video games and could post something +5 Insightful on Slashdot. Hire me please.

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    24. Re:COnsider how it comes across by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      "Passionate" may be too strong a word, but as an interviewer, I don't want to hire you for a C++/OpenGL position only to have you quit in three months because you really wanted to write device drivers. It's not about being "passionate" about the job...it's about having preferences for what you want to be doing for 40 hours a week. *Everybody* has preferences. A good interviewer's job is to make sure that the person who gets hired is someone who actually prefers that sort of job.

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    25. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah yeah yeah. More HR bullshit. HR people lie all the time. Ask a question, get a lie in response.
      Usually it takes about six months in a position to find your way past most of the BS layer.

      The best bet is to ask questions of the engineers you'll be working with or some manager that
      has been there for at least ten years and looks like they want to be somewhere else. Another
      good source is the security desk help. At one of the top ten rated tech companies to work for
      in the US what would you say the average new hire turnover rate is ? Five years ? Six months ?
      Nope, two weeks. They would know, they get to print the security badges. As for the HR people,
      most of them have been out of college less than two years.

      This company is of course so well rated because only the 20% who are doing management level
      jobs are actually hired by the company. The other 80% are contractors, some of whom have been
      contractors for well over fifteen years.

      Those actually hired by the company have usually interviewed everywhere else. They end up
      there because all other options have been used up. Sure it results in a culture of mediocrity,
      but consider the devotion people have to jobs that they can't afford to lose at any cost. ;)

    26. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Well said. Something that a lot of less experienced candidates don't realise is that coming across as desperate for work is actually a very bad look. Asking questions about the position shows that you have an understanding about the basics of what you will be expected to do. It also shows, as you said, that the candidate has actually been listening to what the interviewers have been saying. Coming in with an "I will do anything you ask me to no questions asked" attitude does not demonstrate that you actually understand the position you are applying for and has the added negative of giving the impression that you are not interested in the specific position but just want any job and will likely leave the moment the economy improves. Personally I ask my questions as the interview progresses, that way my questions can always be answered in the context that they arose. I also treat interviews as a 2-way dialogue and set the tone for the interview as early as I can (hint to new guys: just sitting there obediently nodding or shaking your head, obediently answering the question and only the question during an interview is terrible technique).

    27. Re:COnsider how it comes across by syousef · · Score: 1

      If you want generic questions to ask all employers, consider questions like "Who are your competitors?" or "What specifically in my CV/resume interested you?"

      Bad idea. Unless you've gone into the interview cold you should be able to tell them who their competitors are (especially for a larger company) and if you don't know what about your CV interested them based on the job description they gave you should run. (In my experience you only get to know what they really thought 6 months down the track IF you got the job).

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    28. Re:COnsider how it comes across by mgblst · · Score: 1

      See, I hate having to ask follow up questions. Sometime I have them, sometimes I don't. Most of my questions are answered during the interview, you seem like reasonable people, why do you want me to make up a question for? What does that prove? Unless, of course, the position if for chief question asker...

    29. Re:COnsider how it comes across by xtracto · · Score: 1

      someone who will have a good sense of humor when we're both still there at 2 AM, and, of course, someone who has the skills required.

      ...

      You're about to commit 40+ hours a week to working for me

      Uh, you work at EA don't you?

      I hope I never have to work in your company. And if you must do that in your current work, let me assure you there are better jobs out there!

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    30. Re:COnsider how it comes across by DriveMelter · · Score: 1

      Dcam and Turbidostato are so right. However you can also ask a lot about the company when being showed around, particularly things like dress code can be asked then rather than in the interview.

    31. Re:COnsider how it comes across by ErkDemon · · Score: 1

      " Who are your competitors? Hang on, let me grab a pen. Do you have any of their phone numbers? Are they hiring? "

    32. Re:COnsider how it comes across by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I've conducted dozens of programmer interviews, and I totally disagree. The point of the interview is not to get a job, it's to allow both parties a chance to see if this pairing will work. If I can tell that a prospective employee is just concerned with getting hired, that's a huge red flag. I want to hire someone passionate about the same things that my team is passionate about, someone who will have a good sense of humor when we're both still there at 2 AM, and, of course, someone who has the skills required.

      Exactly. When I look for a job, I look for a job I can be passionate about. I don't just want to be paid for menial labour, I want a job I can love, and employer I can love, even. I work better when I'm happy about my work. I'm also happier when I'm happy about my work, and that's worth quite a lot to me.

      I rarely choose the highest-paying job. To get my current job, I passed over several much better paying offers, because this job sounded like more fun, more interesting co-workers, and more new stuff to learn. To get my previous job, it was exactly the same thing. Of course, when job offers are low and employers can afford to be picky, I may have to be less picky, but so far that hasn't happened yet. (Well, my first post-university job turned out to be a bit lame, but hey, you've got to start somewhere, right?)

    33. Re:COnsider how it comes across by khchung · · Score: 1

      Parent post should be moved to the top of the comments.

      Couldn't agree more. The purpose of the interview is communication, it is the best chance to find out if the company is where you want to work for and vice versa. It is a waste of everyone's time for you to join a company and quits three months later because you find out you cannot fit in.

      Anything relating to what your future life in the company should be fair questions to ask, including but not limited to: what is the real working hours around here? what's the pay? what is your work process that I need to fit into? do people here like to get together outside work? Whom would I be working with if I join? May I meet them before I commit to joining this company to see if we get along? etc.

      Asking these questions show you are serious about working for the company, and believe it or not, the more the hiring manager thinks and answers these questions, the firmly you put yourself in his mind as "the one to hire". After investing so much thinking how you fit it (if it seems you can fit in), it would be the logical step to just hire you.

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    34. Re:COnsider how it comes across by matt20102 · · Score: 1

      As a programmer who has been on both sides of the interview table in the last few years, I completely agree about follow-up questions. Those follow-up questions, however, need to be completely tailored to the type of interviewer you are speaking with (as a job candidate). Many technical recruiters are not themselves technically-skilled (at least not in the same way as their candidates) so questions which you would ask them must be different than the questions you would ask a programmer or technical person.

      The issue in this economy when so many companies are sticking with recruiting agencies is that you, as a potential employee, might have several 'first' interviews, including the telephone call from the recruiter, the office visit with the recruiter, and, if the recruiter is able to sell you to an employer, a first interview with that employer. In this scenario, the parent is probably acting in the 3rd interview for a candidate. Even though you, as a candidate, have spoken to people several times already, it is very important to treat this interview as though it was the first and explore the dynamics of your potential relationship to the employer rather than the materialistic concerns of salary, PTO, and benefits.

    35. Re:COnsider how it comes across by Fareq · · Score: 1

      I find that when I'm out interviewing, I usually ask my questions during the "body" of the interview -- when I think of them (usually when something the interviewer says prompts me to ask something).

      So, when I get to the "do you have any questions" part, I often can't think of anything else that I haven't already asked. This, plus the fact that frankly I already have a lot to digest, plus the general effect of nerves pushing stuff out of my head all makes it really hard.

      I have two general strategies here which have worked passably for me. Of course, if I have any remaining questions to mind, I ask them. When I do, they are usually the best questions to ask.

      But, for when I'm drawing a blank:

      Strategy One: Before the interview, I think up 2-3 questions that should be legitimate questions in most situations. Questions about the company as a whole, the business strategy, the department... something that I should be able to ask. Then I write them in my notebook, and make a point not to ask them earlier. Thus, if I can't think of anything, I've got something of acceptable quality to ask. I try not to have to look in my notebook, but knowing they are there just in case helps me be less nervous, and I usually don't have to look.

      Strategy Two: A long interview leaves you with lots to digest. So, when I'm done I always say that I have no questions *at the moment*, but that I might have more questions later, after I've had a chance to think through everything some more. I always ask if I can / how to send those questions later. Then I go home and make it a point to send at least one or two interesting questions after a few days. This has the added bonus of showing that I'm still thinking about the position / still interested (if I am... if I'm not, I won't usually bother with the follow-up questions), and also of reminding the employer that I'm still here / still interested at a time when they might be busy thinking about other applicants.

      It's worked for me. If it does nothing else, it makes me feel less nervous about that part of the interview, which makes me sound more comfortable, more interesting, and less awkward.

    36. Re:COnsider how it comes across by kelnos · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is I wouldn't work at a shop where they require software developers to wear slacks, buttoned shirt, and tie. I'd be sure to ask about the dress code before accepting an offer. But of course, that would be a question I'd ask after I get an offer, certainly not a first- or even second-interview type question.

      But others may not care about dress code... I guess the general rule is to ask about the things that could change your mind about accepting an offer, and leave the rest alone. As you say, the pre-offer interviews are about getting the company to like you enough to make you an offer. That's not to say you can't probe the company a bit to see whether or not you like them enough, but such probing should be done carefully pre-offer.

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    37. Re:COnsider how it comes across by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Unless of course I'm unemployed, and then quite honestly I would do anything up to and including burger flipping to get some level of income until I find something better.

      Heh, last I checked, collecting unemployment (in California, at least) was more lucrative than flipping burgers. Of course, you can't collect unemployment forever, and you're not eligible unless you were laid off.

      The reality is any job that you've applied for you should already have done enough filtering to have decided that you DO want the job.

      Yes, but that doesn't cover all situations. I get unsolicited emails from recruiters pretty often, and I usually base my decision on whether or not to reply on the mini thumbnail job description sketch in the email (at that point they may not even tell you the name of the company). I generally don't know enough to decide if I'd accept a (reasonable) offer until I've had the first non-HR, non-recruiter phone interview. Perhaps that's just me, though. I value chatting with employees much higher than any research I can do about the company on the internet.

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    38. Re:COnsider how it comes across by F'Nok · · Score: 1

      That's my experience here as well.
      In fact, almost every job application I've been through was one of either:

      A. Completely dodgy employer that wouldn't even tell me the expected hours. If my questions turn them off, that's saving me time, since I'll quit in a week anyway.

      B. Completely upfront to the point that they ASK you if you have questions regarding benefits, hours, agreements, etc.
      It's all decided in the interviews, and the final written offer doesn't arrive until AFTER negotiation.

      I always assumed this was just how it was done everywhere, since it makes more sense for the employer as well, as they can negotiate with several people at once, and then only make an offer to the one they got the best agreement from.

  16. Tailor the Questions... by dkf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The best questions are almost certainly those that are specific to the employer and the job which they might hire you for. These are excellent because they show that you've taken an actual interest in what they are doing and may have something to contribute to the overall team in the first 6 months or so. Which isn't to say that the other questions (e.g., generic "what are employment conditions like on the ground" checks) aren't good, but if the boss-to-be thinks you care, it's a big way to stand out for the better.

    Or at least that technique has consistently worked for me so far, and people who ask such things do stand out when you're on the interview panel. Too many people just do generic applications for jobs and don't seem to care what they actually end up doing...

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  17. Do you keep your buttocks clean? by Mishotaki · · Score: 3, Funny

    So that i don't dirty my lips when i kiss them!

    1. Re:Do you keep your buttocks clean? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      "So that i don't dirty my lips when i kiss them!"

      Interviewer scribbles: Not a team player.

  18. Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I now have to ask, "Does the company have sufficient funds to meet payroll for the next year?"

    1. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt that any company has sufficient funds to meet payroll for more than a year.

    2. Re:Unfortunately by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Like the guys interviewing you even know the answer to that.

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    3. Re:Unfortunately by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe a better way to phrase it would be "Through the current financial crisis, what has been the biggest struggle for your company-- bringing in new work, project cycle delays, accounts receivable, cash flow, or credit concerns?" You can follow that up with "How do you see that changing over the next year?"

    4. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cudos for being PC. Now that I've wiped the vomit off my chin I will say if you have the slightest doubt about a company, wait for a better one. If you are having problems getting hired then you need to look at your skill set. You need to put yourself in the drivers seat at an interview. If they don't like who you are, then its a bad fit and you need to find a better one. If you are good, then they need you more than you need them. Good programmers are very hard to find.

    5. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly, one place I worked, although the answer to this was yes, and it was a necessary question (as I was to take that job after working at a startup I loved, that had no funds, for free (oy)) it was not a sufficient question for determining internal fiscal stability: the company had a suitable amount of cash incoming from a very well-heeled, patient private investor, which meant that while the paychecks were reliable, there was great fear in the executives that if they ever actually became profitable, they'd lose the handouts from the sugar daddy. So, projects were worked on for 9 months or so, then erratically cancelled and new projects started, and just to show they were Serious about the new project, a handful of heads would roll in celebration. I now ask carefully something on the order of, "So, how long has this company been a startup?" and if it's on the order of 2.5 decades, I seek other offers, just in case.

  19. Are those your kids in the photos... by kenh · · Score: 1

    or did they come with the frame?

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  20. Documentation by notamedic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    'Can I see an example of your code or documentation?'

    If they don't keep documentation or their code tends to be messy and undocumented then you're going to spend half your time trying to figure stuff out rather than doing productive (and thus interesting) work. If a company's business is in a complex field (finance for instance) and the code/system has built up over many years there is a fair chance that both will be pretty incomprehensible to start with and if they haven't got reasonably documentation the your job is going to be harder and there is a chance that you'll never feel you full have a grasp on *everything* that is going on.

    Apart from that, it will show that you give a damn about documentation and are organised.

    1. Re:Documentation by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A red-flag is probably if they tell you all of their code is a "trade secret".

    2. Re:Documentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another good one for you Sys/Network/DB admins....ask to see the racks in their data center. If the cabling looks like a rats nest, run for your life! It's usually good indication that they have a poor support team.

    3. Re:Documentation by tompatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This exact issue recently came up for me. I had an offer from what I thought was a good company with a pretty good future, doing embedded systems development. However, i was concerned that there was no cohesive software development group, no version control system or codebase with only basic interest in this, no SQA. It was suggested I have a conversation with a higher up, and the conversation proved that there was no knowledge and no interest in changing any of these things and that there was a lot of reinventing the wheel as a result.

      The job didn't work out, it's too bad, but things like that can't be changed unless the job you're being offered comes with some authority to make changes and the support to do it.

    4. Re:Documentation by assertation · · Score: 1

      An excellent point, but not realistic. My company is terrible with documentation and communication in general. The department head and some old timers even seem to have a hostile attitude towards it. Despite all of that they would have no problem about producing some nicely documented code sample that one of them did at one time.

    5. Re:Documentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A red-flag is probably if they tell you all of their code is a "trade secret".

      Soo..., pretty much every corporation gets the red flag, then?

    6. Re:Documentation by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm an embedded software engineer, and I've seen this several times in places I've interviewed with. A lot of these people come from a Windoze-only background, have little concept what "servers" do, and have barely even heard of version control systems. They think it's normal to lose an entire project when someone's PC hard drive dies.

      At my current workplace, we're using 8-year-old PCs to compile a pretty large embedded codebase, and it takes forever, and they're only now, finally, thinking of implementing a "build server" to get reasonable compile times. This place also thinks it's appropriate to give software developers 17-inch monitors to develop code on.

      Unfortunately, while there's a lot of good advice in the comment to this article, a lot of people don't have the luxury of waiting around for a job with a "good" employer. There's a lot of bad employers out there (like ones that have crappy codebases, poor support, not to mention lousy hours, too many meetings, bad management, etc.), and there's a lot of developers that need jobs. You may not have a "good" employer with a position open in your geographical area, and you may not be able to relocate just yet because of family issues, so you may have to settle for what you can get.

      One thing I've changed a lot, however, is my expectation of how long I'll stay any place. A lot of employers are so incompetent (such as my last job, at a 20,000-employee semiconductor manufacturer) that it's just pointless planning on being there more than 3 years, because they're going to run things into the ground and lay off your entire department before then. It's better to just get as much cash and experience as you can out of an employer and move on when the time's right to the next sinking ship. I just started at my new place a few months ago and I'm already looking around for the next place to jump to.

    7. Re:Documentation by drew_eckhardt · · Score: 1

      I also ask for a reasonably comprehensive code, documentation, and test process walk through.

      Although everyone claims they test well but would like to do better and have reasonable software process, most don't and/or have radical variations across the organization depending on what people's background was.

  21. A typical day by RabidMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One that I've always fallen back on when "do you have any questions for us?" time comes up is something along the lines of "Can you describe a typical day in the life of someone doing my job?". If they're honest, it generally gives me a feel for a typical day, how much time is spent in meetings, doing documentation, when people come in/leave, etc. I then lead them through things like "how much time do I spend doing change tickets/incident tickets? How much time is spent dealing with email/phone calls/walkups? How much time is spent on call?"

    While these questions won't generally alter opinion of the job, it does tell me much more about the "how" as opposed to the general interview "what" and "why". Ultimately the quality of life part of the job is more important than the work, at least, as I grow older and move to more senior (ie: non-helpdesk/NOC) positions. Not hating being at work, being fufilled, challenged and treated with respect is more important at this point than simply advancing or resume building. To find out about the "quality of life" is generally the bent of my questions.

    Good searching!

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    We emerge from our mother's womb an unformatted diskette; our culture formats us. - Douglas Coupland
    1. Re:A typical day by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      I like that question. I actually use it the other way around - as an interviewer the follow on question to "so tell me about yourself" is "give me a quick rundown on what a typical day was like at your last position". It gives me a good insight into what the person is like as an individual. A question like this from a candidate would show the candidate is actually interested in what life is like working in my team on a day to day basis and would be regarded highly.

  22. Serious Questions by gander666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Assuming I get through the first round or two, my questions are like these:

    What is your culture like?

    What do you like about working for (insert company name)?

    (If it is a division of a large company) How heavy is the hand of Corporate on your day to day?

    What keeps you up at night?

    Usually by this point I am as much looking to be sold by the company. I am a product manager and usually seek similar roles. Things like culture, openness, empowerment, etc are usually covered in earlier interviews.

    I should also add that I usually spend a fair amount of time researching a company before I even interview. Research their annual reports, investor page, read the SEC filings, look for analyst comments (on public companies), understand their market space, competition, etc. So usually much of this has come across already.

    Oh yeah, one more: Do you use SAP? (god, how I have that frickin' program)

    Geoff

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    1. Re:Serious Questions by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      (god, how I have that frickin' program)

      Love your enthusiasm. You're hired.

    2. Re:Serious Questions by daVinci1980 · · Score: 1

      Usually at the end of the interview, I ask if I can speak with someone I'll be directly working with. Then I ask them questions like:

      How do you like the work you're doing? Do you find it engaging and interesting? Is there a lot of red-tape to getting things done?

      And my personal favorite. "What is your least favorite thing about this place?"

      Answers like "my boss" or "work environment" are typically red flags to me. I'm looking for companies that wow me, though.

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    3. Re:Serious Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a product manager that doesn't understand that SAP isnt a "program" ... hmmmm ... I bet you get lots of interview practice , dont ya! ...

      So the thing that you "HAVE" ( perhaps you meant hate .. dunno .. ) isnt a generic program that some other company would have also. Your question about sap usage really has no meaning.

      You must be a marketing type 'product manager'. What the fuck are you doing here ??

  23. Be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just be honest with them. If you are interested in working with them, then surely there will be things you would like to know more about. The job description you found online hardly will be everything you wanted to know (and they won't say too much in the interview preceding your questions).

  24. "Can't you enforce tooling?" by pdh11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What hardware/software am I expected to use at my desktop (e-mail, OS, editor, source control, etc.)?

    This (certainly the email and source-control bits) is an excellent question to ask -- not so much because of what the answer as such, but because of your interviewers' reaction to giving the answer. If the interviewers frown or are apologetic about the answers, then that's a big clue that the IT department is run for its own convenience rather than the users' convenience.

    For instance, if the email system in use is Outlook, ask if they have IMAP or SIMAP turned on, to enable non-Exchange clients. If the answer is no, then you know that uniformity gets enforced over convenience. You also know that nobody in the company uses any external mailing lists (such as the GCC or Linux kernel lists), as there's no way of posting to those from Exchange without looking like a fool.

    If your interviewers sound cross or apologetic when describing the source-control system -- in other words, if the source-control system was dictated by IT without engineering buy-in -- then decline the job. Even if it were theoretically possible to do work in such a company, the excess overhead due to dealing with bureaucracy would make it an inefficient use of your time.

    The absolute best answer you could get here is the one a VP of engineering whom I once worked for gave to a compiler vendor whose products we didn't want. "Can't you enforce tooling?", they asked him. "No," he said, "we don't tell Babe Ruth how to hold his bat."

    Peter

    1. Re:"Can't you enforce tooling?" by mdda · · Score: 1

      Many of the Microsoft-supporting trolls I've seen recently have this 'weekly upgrading due to exploits' meme.

      What are patch-Tuesdays, but the Microsoft version of the same thing?

    2. Re:"Can't you enforce tooling?" by mysidia · · Score: 1

      In a software developer company, doesn't it normally work the other way around?

      E.g. Development team leaders and company management dictate to IT what tools need to get setup on the development servers and developers' workstations.

      And IT has to provide them the tools they want, including the ability to install their own tools.

      Developers are computer software experts, many much more skilled than your average IT worker at deciding their needs; generally IT should know to be cautious about angering developers, as they are highly equipped to explain to management IT problems, much more so than Joe accountant who got forced into using MS Excel over OpenOffice...

    3. Re:"Can't you enforce tooling?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh - the employer isn't there to make things "convenient" for you. Email is email. If youw ant to work for a company that only uses open source for your "convenience" you should find that out before even bothering with the interview.

      Also, I wouldn't necessarily tell you specifics about the mail/networking system anyways before your NDA was signed. Why would I want to give a potential threat/competitor ANY information regarding my infrastructure (not that it wouldn't be easy to figure out anyways, but why provide it on a silver platter for you)?

      That's right, I wouldn't.

      My IT division enforces standard system images, with software, to make it easier to support. If I had to support someone with some other mail client, with some plug-in to allow it work with Exchange, when they called me with an issue, I'd tell them "I'm sorry, you're not using our standard, I cannot help you with your issue. Is there anything else I can do for you?" I'd also remind them about company policy about using non-authorized software, and I would give you a written warning.

    4. Re:"Can't you enforce tooling?" by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry much about it because any company dealing in "IP" work should be providing me with the tools I need, laptop, office software, development environment to meet their standards anyway. I come from the other side that uniformity removes many problems and allows for easier disaster recovery and backup of critical information... if they were expecting me to work from home or something on my OWN machines I'd have a problem with that.

    5. Re:"Can't you enforce tooling?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What hardware/software am I expected to use at my desktop (e-mail, OS, editor, source control, etc.)?

      You also know that nobody in the company uses any external mailing lists (such as the GCC or Linux kernel lists), as there's no way of posting to those from Exchange without looking like a fool.

      You have no idea what you're on about.

  25. Two I consider important by compro01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Health plan - even here in Canada, I consider this important. Even routine dental and prescriptions (not to mentioned uncovered specialists like chiropractors and podiatrists) can cost a fantastic amount of money. Everywhere I've worked for recently had copies of the policy documentation available for interviewees.

    2. Overtime policy - This generally doesn't vary much due to have a legislated minimum here (1.5x pay past 8 hours a day (or 12 if that's your schedule) or 40 hours per week), but it's always good to know.

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    1. Re:Two I consider important by tuzo · · Score: 1

      2. Overtime policy - This generally doesn't vary much due to have a legislated minimum here (1.5x pay past 8 hours a day (or 12 if that's your schedule) or 40 hours per week), but it's always good to know.

      The laws vary by province so check your local listings. For example, in Ontario Information Technology workers are exempt from overtime policy (among other policies).

      So I would definitely clarify the overtime policy before accepting an offer.

    2. Re:Two I consider important by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

      well... That is OK in Canada but in the US it is NOT a simple answer. There are all sorts of ways a company gets around the 40 hour work week. The simplest is that they can call an "exempt" employee. So it comes down to work as many hours as is needed to get the job done.

      ABout 20 years ago I was working 100+ hours a week, I did not see a dime of overtime, ever. I was so good in fact they thought they didn't need me and they laid me off. Then they had to hire 3 people to do the same job I was doing.

      The companies in the US are generally jerks when it comes time to pay for OT for IS people. IBM got away with it for years and years and years.

      As for healthcare you get what ever the employer has a contract with at that point in time. I was with one company for 15 years and every 5 years we would get a worse health insurance company. Most of my friends who had spouses in other companies asked for them to be carried the spouses insurance.

      Of course I do know there are companies that do not offer any health insurance but those tend to be the places where people do not want to work there in the first place.

  26. your application shows your single by FudRucker · · Score: 0

    will you marry my daughter and give my lots of grand children?

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  27. Ask about them... by gr8fulnded · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ask your interviewers how long they've been with the company, and why do they stay? The second one is more important if you're in a current "hot" field where people jump ship quite a bit. It tends to give a little more insight into the corporate culture and those you'll be working with, in my experiences.

    1. Re:Ask about them... by chiefthe · · Score: 1
      I always ask:

      - What is the best part about working here?

      - How is this job different from other jobs you've had in the past?

      - What's your background / how did you get here?

      You get a good sense of the type of people you'd be working with and what they really like about the job.

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    2. Re:Ask about them... by exolon42 · · Score: 0

      I once interviewed for a job at a smaller company, and at the end of the interview the interviewer leaned forward and asked me with desperation in his voice "why do you want to start here", with the implication "are you mad??" hanging in the air.. Needless to say, I declined the job and that was probably wise.. Moral here is that some things you might not get a perfectly clean answer to, you might need to read between the lines when you visit the company, walk around, shake hands.. Listen to what the interviewers casually talk about during lunch etc..

    3. Re:Ask about them... by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      I second this. As a potential employee, I would want to get a feel for what my manager would be like on the job, as well as what the job would be like as a whole. The only way to catch a feel for those is to ask the interviewer, and hope he/she's honest. Employeers whose "passion" for the company and/or line of work they're in extends to "feeding the family" probably don't enjoy what they're doing.

  28. Some practical advice by freedom_india · · Score: 0

    I just finished reading about the Great Panic of 1907 subsequent depression, the creation of the Fed and the Pujo hearings.
    The economy today mirrors 1907 in many ways and the lessons of job seekers then apply today too. So here it goes:
    1) Remember: your interviewer is the company. In 99% of situations, he is going to be your boss and the only one who decides whether you get the job or not.
    2) Do NOT ask super-intelligent questions. This is a buyers' market. So stuff your 190+ IQ in your shirt. Gauage the IQ of the interviewer and be one step BELOW it. Ya, the old timer stuff about an interviewer hiring you because he wants to work for you? does not work. His job is in as much danger as yours. So if u appear smarter, cheerful, intelligent than him, then he won't select you. Appear knowledgeable, but dumber than him.
    3) Ask about health benefits. Obama may get medicaid for all, but until then u and i have to live on Aetna's suffering. So get the details of it and coverage.
    4) Ask him in what way can u assist him in getting an award. Some fools may call it suckin' up, but its not. Crony capitalism is what's practised for a long time, otherwise we all would be flying in cars now and i would be driving an EV1.
    5) Provide him with a few excellent references from your past. He would definitely check up on you and volunteering shows you are extra better.
    6) If you have a clean record (no tickets, etc) then tell him.
    7) For fcuk's sake, wear a suit, a tie and a nice pair of polished black leather shoes. Jim Clark and Steve Jobs may escape with Jeans, but you are NOT them, else u wouldn;t be asking for advice here. Suits convey professionalism. It is better to be overdressed than look like a fool.
    8) Do NOT ask him about working from home. This economy is not a sellers' market. Ask him what are the working hours and ask him if u could pick up an extra shift or two weekly. Yeah, your wife/GF may hate you for ditching her on Friday nights, but tell her she could not get the money for the next manicure if u didn't work.
    9) Education subsidy: ask him whether the company would subsidise education or whether it has tie ups with some university. Tell him u like to do a course on the technology u are working to benefit the company more.

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    "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
    1. Re:Some practical advice by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      10) Don't learn how to appear professional from someone who spells 'you' as 'u'.

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    2. Re:Some practical advice by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Disagree on #7, depending on the job you're interviewing for. Wear something appropriate for the position you're seeking. I don't expect people coming to interview for a software developer position to wear a suit and tie. I do expect them not to wear shorts or a t-shirt. Khakis and a polo is fine with me.

    3. Re:Some practical advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      11) or someone that spells "yeah" as "ya." 12) or someone who uses (spells wrong!) "fuck" in their diatribe. 13) or someone who makes a numbered list because they don't know how to write proper paragraphs.

    4. Re:Some practical advice by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      Right... i guess wearing bullet-shot jeans and a T-Shirt with Che's portrait is the "right" dress for you when u go for an interview at Exxon.

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      "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
    5. Re:Some practical advice by Kratisto · · Score: 1

      Exxon, eh? You'll be needing a pair of horns and a trident. Oh, and it wouldn't hurt if you had your resume printed on human skin.

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      Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
    6. Re:Some practical advice by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      So, you are saying 79,900 employees are clones of Satan.
      Wow!
      They should be honored to hear that.
      Tell me, where do you work? McDonalds?

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    7. Re:Some practical advice by Chysn · · Score: 1

      But of all the things to disagree on, that was his For Fcuk's Sake point! Come on, give him the For Fcuk's Sake point!

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    8. Re:Some practical advice by plopez · · Score: 1

      disagree. better to overdress than to underdress. err on the side of caution. conservative rather than flamboyant etc. unless it is a sales job in which case flashier clothes might be a plus.

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    9. Re:Some practical advice by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      I can only speak for myself, but I recall a friend of mine fresh out of college wore a business suit to a developer interview, and basically got laughed at. Not in a mean way, granted, but still. Honestly, from my point of view, if "not wearing a suit" is going to be counted as a black mark against me then that's probably not a job I want to begin with. My typical "outfit" is khaki pants and a collared long-sleeve dress shirt. No tie. Casual-ish brown leather shoes.

    10. Re:Some practical advice by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      it wouldn't hurt if you had your resume printed on human skin.

      Klaatu Verata Nicto!

    11. Re:Some practical advice by cdrom600 · · Score: 1

      10) Don't learn how to appear professional from someone who spells 'you' as 'u'.

      Mod parent up!

  29. Call them "friendo" and flip a coin... by VampireByte · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... then ask them to call it, heads or tails?

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    1. Re:Call them "friendo" and flip a coin... by skeeto · · Score: 1

      Well, we need to know what we're calling it for here.

  30. Basic rule by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You want your question to demonstrate your ability to do the job as well as allow you to assess your future bosses and coworkers. So technical questions like "What version control system do you use?" or "What kind of backup system would I be expected to maintain?" are good for talking to technically-oriented managers. For non-technical managers, some good questions might be "How does my work get tested before getting sent out to the users?" and "How are project schedules determined, and what approaches are typically used to keep projects on schedule?".

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    1. Re:Basic rule by mysidia · · Score: 1

      "If it compiles, great, if it builds, ship it"

  31. What is your BPO strategy? Can they speak english. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just recently left a heavily outsourced organization, with half of the big BPO's - InfoSys, Genpac, Oracle. I found that they can not communicate in English as a spoken language.
    WTF is "do the needful"? KMA.

    They all point fingers at each other, the projects take longer to complete by a factor of 10.
    The CTO/CIO looks good to the CFO, but shite never gets done. By the time anyone realizes the C-levels are off to the next f*up.

    Maybe the question should be, "do you offer hindi or urdu classes?"
    Or WTF does it mean when they shake their heads like bobbles?

  32. Ask for what you want right ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there's something you need/want in your job, you've got to ask for it right away. Even if it's a small thing, don't think you'll get a better chance to get it later. And if you ask for small accomodations in the right way (it's for your productivity, right?), they can't say no, and once they've said yes, they owe it to you. Whereas if you ask for it later, they will tell you shit like "oh but we can't make exceptions, we'd have to give it to everyone."

    In my case (Linux sysadmin job), it was 1. I don't use Windows. 2. at least the same workstation than I have at home -- which means 24" monitor minimum (had noticed everyone had crappy 19") and 4G (fucktarded IT dept thinks 2G -- in 2009! -- is enough for everyone and they won't upgrade you). So I'm one of the few not using Windows, and the only one with 2x 24" and 4G ram.

    (Yeah I know it's fucking ghetto. It's very sad. And very stupid to see developers struggling to do Java dev in Eclipse with 1G (it takes months to even upgraede to 2G, way too much work for the IT). The company is losing $10k a month in productivity because someone up in management is incompetent on such a trivial matter. Revolting.)

  33. be on the job in the interview by sukotto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd like to show you how I would handle/think about the kinds of problems your team has to solve. Would you tell an issue you faced recently that would have been *my* problem if I'd already been working here? I'll talk out the way I'd try and fix it.

    If you're smart, you will have done some research into the company before going to the interview so that you already know what kinds of things they do and the problems they face.

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    1. Re:be on the job in the interview by sukotto · · Score: 1

      Also, "This sounds like a really interesting position. Can I meet some of the other people on your team to get a feel for what working here will be like?"

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  34. CMM by codeButcher · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What level of the Capability Maturity Model would your organisation reach?

    Some probable answers:

    1. Say what?, never heard of it, etc. - Probably a cowboy coding shop. Nice and exciting for starters, but will suck the life out of you sooner or later.
    2. Level X - generally good, since someone realizes that programming is not only about churning out code, and has already done something about it. Follow-up questions: for how long have they been at that level? What actions are in place for increasing it?
    3. Probably level x, but we don't care enough to care / too much paperwork / etc. - Be careful. Slightly more informed than the 1., but not enough and thus all the more dangerous for it.
    4. Probably level X, but we have this system in place that we feel works better for us - Good, because someone is using his brains. Could also be a pitfall because of reinventing-of-wheels-syndrome.

    Personally I would prefer 2., but YMMV.

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    1. Re:CMM by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      If the CMM concept is that important to you, this might make sense if you are an experienced and talented programmer who can pick and choose from employers or was approached by a potential employer. For everyone else that question could risk the impression that you are a know it all with an attachment to buzzwords or are inflexible in what sort of work environment you find acceptable.

    2. Re:CMM by barrkel · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I would not like to work with someone who's obsessed with process. But then, I wouldn't be fond of working for a company that doesn't make software for a living, i.e. whose primary product isn't software.

    3. Re:CMM by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Each question has it's potential risks....

      It's not that the prospective employer needs to follow it strictly or even agree with it - however it (amongst others) might be a pointer to how much management in the company know about computer science. And yes, some people might find it acceptable to work in an environment where "project management" boils down to "put more pressure on the programmer when the deadline is close", regardless of how realistic the deadline was from the start, whether the specifications where complete and unambiguous, how much they were changed 3 days before the deadline.... Been there done that. No, scrap that, am doing that right now, on a nice Sunday in the office....

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    4. Re:CMM by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Depends how one defines "obsessed". Every company nowadays pays lip service to processes and the various ISO standards. Few have gotten it right to make it work for them instead of putting more (red tape) strain on people.

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    5. Re:CMM by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      That matches what I see. Customers requiring ISO care about a tick mark on a form for CYA purposes. Most vendors care about ISO only to fill that tick mark and get the business. A contract manufacturer I use (ISO 9001-2000 certified) has developed and documented processes that yield good results. When there is a problem it is usually a failure to follow the documented process. As you said: embraced as a tool it works, tolerated as a necessary burden it fails.

    6. Re:CMM by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Very astute question and one that will reflect well on you to the people that know what you are talking about, and not alarm those that don't.

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      I was taught to respect my elders. The trouble is, it's getting harder and harder to find some.
  35. What's your favorite part of working here? by Foehg · · Score: 1

    My last few job interviews have focused on interview segments with colleagues. I enjoyed asking them "What's your favorite part of working here?"

  36. Only One by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    I try to research the place so that all my questions are specific or at lest relevant rather than general. General questions from HR types are substitutes for real questions, and general questions from anyone can be taken as such.

    If, after I've asked my specific questions, they still (and usually do) hit me with "Do you have any questions?" I hit back with "I've tried to research [you] the best I could so I could ask specific questions. In case there are things I've missed, and at the risk of answering a question with a question, what other things do you think I should know?" I moderate the language of this to match with the tone of the interview - formal/informal, inclusive/confrontational, etc.

    Of course I also gauge whether it's worth asking this, or if I'd get formulaic answers, from how formulaic they were during the interview. If it goes like an HR script full of generalized questions that have nothing to do with me, I hold back and ask informally questions of the non-HR people involved outside the interview. If I'm not given the opportunity to meet with them around the interview, I'll ask if I will later. If they intend to make their decision without allowing me to meet with my potential colleagues, they want a body, not a member of an organization. Fuck them.

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  37. I have an offer after a year of consulting by RPGonAS400 · · Score: 1, Informative
    I am in a similar but different situation.

    I have been consulting with a company for a year and they have offered me a job with the company now. They like my work and I know what my job responsibilities would be, but it would be a cut in pay and I could no longer deduct my mileage. I wouldn't have to buy my own health insurance anymore. I would also get trained in different technologies. I prefer the consulting, personally, but may be cut off if I don't take the offer.

    1. Re:I have an offer after a year of consulting by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      I am in a similar but different situation.

      I have been consulting with a company for a year and they have offered me a job with the company now. They like my work and I know what my job responsibilities would be, but it would be a cut in pay and I could no longer deduct my mileage. I wouldn't have to buy my own health insurance anymore. I would also get trained in different technologies. I prefer the consulting, personally, but may be cut off if I don't take the offer.

      take the job now! Do you not listen to the news or the debate in congress?

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    2. Re:I have an offer after a year of consulting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what would be an equivalent pay rate for you? Be certain to take into consideration your cost of benefits
      as an employee (an area that many companies are less than candid about, IMO... ). My guess is they
      are just want to reduce costs. You might want to also ask what pay band you would be placed on and what the current pay ranges are - because you may have to live with them for a long time. You might also want to simply see if you can arrange another contract to have in your back pocket, so that if you decide to decline their offer of employment, you don't find yourself suddenly on the street...

      Negotiate from a position of strength, basically...

    3. Re:I have an offer after a year of consulting by kelnos · · Score: 1
      I think you have to look at a few different things:
      1. Does the "free" insurance cancel out the pay cut?
      2. How much are you saving on your tax return because of being able to deduct mileage? If you lose that, is it a big deal to you?
      3. Look around at other full/salaried employees doing similar work in the company. Do they seem to work many more hours than you because they're salaried and the company doesn't have to pay them overtime? If so, you'll likely end up working more if you take the offer; are you ok with that?
      4. A little harder to quantify, but would the ability to get trained in different tech make up for any of the possible negatives above?
      5. Of course, if you truly believe that your contract won't be renewed if you decline the offer, you don't have much of a choice unless you're willing to look for something else.
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  38. Purpose of an interview by Geam · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recently returned to school to complete my degree and was able to hear a very intresting presentation from one of the instructors last year. Being that I have applied for many jobs in the past year (and currently working full-time while going to school in the evening), a lot of these made sense. Here are some of the points I found most interesting to take into account during an interview.

    - There are only two things that the employer wants to know during the interview: "Can you do the job?" and "Are you going to cause trouble?". The information on your resume will answer the first. Your answers and attitude during the interview will answer the second.

    - During the interview, focus on proving you are able to do the job and that you will not cause trouble. Trouble would be absenteeism, incompatibility with co-workers, etc. Keep your personal life personal and your special interests and hobbies to yourself unless they directly pertain to the job. If you interests require you to take time off from work, that should come up during the negotiation period and not during the interview. Also, do not bring up money, pay, vacation, training, "team lunches or get-togethers", hours, or other trivial items. This should all be addressed after the job offer has been extended, while you negotiate, and before you start.

    - Once the employer has gone through the process of interviewing all of the candidates and decided that you are the best candidate, you should have already prepared a list of priorities for what you want. If you need six weeks of paid vacation per year, if you need to make a certain salary, or if you need to work a certain schedule, that is all negotiable at this point before the job is accepted. For all of the effort they have put into posting a job opening, sorting through all of the applications, spending all that time interviewing, and somehow still decided that you are the best candidate, it is not in the employer's best interest to start the whole process over because you want six weeks of vacation time instead of the normal four. Everything is negotiable.

    - If you are asked during the interview how much you are expecting to make at the new position, a correct answer is "I earn $XXXX at my current job and I am certain you will be fair, but I would like to lean more about the company". It does not ignore the question, but it does not put either party in a tight spot or make either party feel guilty. Again, pay is part of negotiation and not part of the interview.

    - One item that should be addressed during the interview is asking about company culture: military (directives from management), team (groups work together to solve problems), competitive (individuals work "against" each other), artistic (try to create the best product), etc.

    - Another item that should be asked is what the interviewer sees in the job. Each interview may give a different answer from HR, the department head, the department manager, and the team leader. Taking each of those into account will give a better impression of what is expected.

    - I suspect that developers and other specialized positions would want to know what type of systems would be used and the development tools required. This, however, should already be answered to the employer by what is listed on the resume. If the tools required are not listed there and the candidate was still being considered, the tools must not matter very much to the employer and they may be willing to offer training on that system. I am not sure asking about what type of hardware, email, ticket tracking, system environment (Dev/QA/UAT/Prod), or documentation system would be used, since those are basically universal and two companies with the same system may use them in different ways and a new hire will need to become oriented with how the company wants to handle details. Also, if questions about dress code, hours worked, overtime availability, weekend catch-up time, or anything else not normally covered in an interview are important to you, s

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    1. Re:Purpose of an interview by burris · · Score: 1

      - If you are asked during the interview how much you are expecting to make at the new position, a correct answer is "I earn $XXXX at my current job and I am certain you will be fair, but I would like to lean more about the company".

      How much you're currently making at some other place is really none of their business. Putting out a number early on in the process like that is a terrible way to negotiate. If you're looking to make substantially more money at your next job then you're never going to get it if you reveal your current salary. At best your offer will be slightly above whatever number you put out, especially if they had a higher number in mind from the start. As you attempt to negotiate, your previous salary will become like a rotting albatross around your neck.

      You were close though, the right way to do it is to say "I'm more interested in doing XXX at YYY than I a in the size of the initial offer." If they persist you can say "I'll consider any reasonable offer." If they are really persistent you can say "You are in a much better position to know how much I'm worth to you than I am."

      This all comes from the Noel Smith-Wenkle Salary Negotiation Method

    2. Re:Purpose of an interview by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I don't see setting a number as that bad up front. If you have a job making $X and there's no way they can match it (or offer other benefits/compensation) then you've saved them time wasted because they can't afford you.

      The bigger problem people are having now is that they DON'T have $X right now because they go laid off.... it's a bit more touchy as I used to make $X and live comfortably but it depends on what the employer will do with it. On one hand you may need to find another job close to $X in order to make ends meet and for your skill set... you'll still get bastards out there thinking it's like car haggling where they can offer 25% less because you don't have a job now and you "have to" take a job.

      On the other hand if they're offer is way MORE than what you are making is there some reason for it? Is it a true promotion after 10 years experience, or are have you jumped into a bigger company with a bigger pay scale and bigger expectations of you? Not making "enough" for the interviewer's number may also have some issues.

    3. Re:Purpose of an interview by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      - There are only two things that the employer wants to know during the interview: "Can you do the job?" and "Are you going to cause trouble?". The information on your resume will answer the first. Your answers and attitude during the interview will answer the second.

      Wrong. Except for basic entry level positions the resume does most definitely not answer the first one. The resume tells me, as an interviewer, that the candidate MAY be able to do the job. People forget that interviewers have all applied for many jobs themselves (chances are far more than the ones they are interviewing) and so know that a resume is just a sales brochure for the candidate, highlighting what the candidate might be able to do and hiding things they can't. The job of the interviewer is to determine where the truth actually lies. I have interviewed applicants with resumes that looked outstanding but by the end of the interview I was left thinking "wow, that was a waste of time" and others who had above average resumes who I thought would be absolutely perfect (strangely enough these guys very frequently got counter offers from the places they were currently working for).

      - Once the employer has gone through the process of interviewing all of the candidates and decided that you are the best candidate, you should have already prepared a list of priorities for what you want. If you need six weeks of paid vacation per year, if you need to make a certain salary, or if you need to work a certain schedule, that is all negotiable at this point before the job is accepted. For all of the effort they have put into posting a job opening, sorting through all of the applications, spending all that time interviewing, and somehow still decided that you are the best candidate, it is not in the employer's best interest to start the whole process over because you want six weeks of vacation time instead of the normal four. Everything is negotiable.

      Excellent excellent point. Unless the demands are unreasonable, everything is open for negotiation.

      - Another item that should be asked is what the interviewer sees in the job. Each interview may give a different answer from HR, the department head, the department manager, and the team leader. Taking each of those into account will give a better impression of what is expected.

      Again, excellent point. I have literally had 2 of my interviewers argue in front of me with respect to what exactly I would be doing in my job. HR has no clue as to what a developer does. A simple "what would my average day involve?" to the guy who will be your line manager (not HR or some higher up) will give the best response.

    4. Re:Purpose of an interview by radish · · Score: 1

      - There are only two things that the employer wants to know during the interview: "Can you do the job?" and "Are you going to cause trouble?". The information on your resume will answer the first.
      Speaking as an interviewer, this is not great advice. Yes I want to know if you can do the job, but I also want to know that you're being honest when you say you can - that's what the interview is for (IMHO). You wouldn't be sitting in front of me if your resume wasn't promising, but I've lost count of how many candidates claimed to be super experienced in some field but couldn't answer the most basic questions about it. Rule no. 1 - Don't Lie on Your Resume. It's OK to not know something, it's not OK to pretend you do.

      Keep your personal life personal and your special interests and hobbies to yourself unless they directly pertain to the job
      If you're inexperienced (and from what you say I'm going to assume you are) you're resume's going to be pretty short. Put those hobbies on there, they'll give us something to talk about - or I'll ignore them. No harm in having them on there. When I'm evaluating grads, personality and interests are really the keys. I want to know what makes you tick, why you're here (hint: you'll be a much better developer if you love coding than if you really want to be a painter but couldn't get into art school). Show me that you want to learn. Rule no. 2 - Show Me You Want to Work Here.

      The advice about money, benefits, etc is spot on however. You'll usually get a separate talk with an HR person - not only am I not allowed to talk about such things, I typically have no idea about them anyway! Do however ask about how the teams operate, the kind of social stuff we do, etc. When you're expected to spend the better part of your waking life with a group of people it's perfectly reasonable to want to know a bit about them! Most of all, for new grads, try not to be nervous and make sure you treat me as a peer. I don't need an interviewee to keep calling me sir and being all humble - you're a candidate now but with any luck you'll be working with me in a few weeks - act that way! Rule no. 3 - It's A Conversation Not An Inquisition!

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    5. Re:Purpose of an interview by OrigamiMarie · · Score: 1

      Not agreeing with a few of these items. Admittedly, I don't have piles of experience with interviewing, but I did manage to land a job last fall despite the economy, a slightly stale degree, and no work experience in my field. A pretty good job, one with nice pay, enjoyable people, interesting challenges, and mobility within the company.

      In the interview, they didn't seem terribly interested in finding out if I would cause trouble.

      Both hiring managers that have hired me (one in a different field in the past) have noted that they like to chat with interviewees about other hobbies. You are somewhat likely to have overlapping interests, or at least nearby interests, so talking about hobbies briefly (especially if they bring it up and draw you out) is not likely to bore them to tears. It also shows them that you have a little personality, and aren't a dull cardboard cut-out that won't interact with coworkers unless necessary (and maybe not even then). As a nice bonus, they get to see you talking about something that you are really interested in. It gives you a chance to show real enthusiasm for something, which should give the interviewer a positive impression. Yeah, just shy away from the dangerous / illegal / violent / socially frowned-upon hobbies.

      If work/life balance is an issue for you, it's reasonable to bring it up in an open-ended sort of way. You can mention something about work/life balance, and let them fill in the details. Do this especially if the company you are interviewing has a reputation for problems in that area. A good employer / boss should understand your concerns that in this industry, you just can't tell what hours will be expected of you and thus you need to find out early. If they do strive to have good work/life balance, they will understand your concerns and reassure you. In fact, they will likely be glad that you asked, because it indicates that you will match the prevailing culture (or not, and then did you really want to work for them?).

      Depending on the person, finding out about dress code might be really important. You may not even have to ask directly, since you can probably get a tour of your prospective work area upon request, and just notice what the norm is there. If you really just wouldn't cope well with a shirt-and-tie every day (and would have to go buy a whole new wardrobe to meet this request), then perhaps that will be a deciding factor for you. Of course if you happen to be in a portion of tech that generally requires that kind of dress, then perhaps you need a dose of reality. I know I wouldn't be pleased if told that I needed to be wearing skirts or dresses every day (yes I am female), and am quite happy to have found an office where people dress in everything from t-shirts with (non-offensive) words on them to button-down shirts (no ties), and some gals wear skirts. That I can wear sandals and not have a problem is very nice (I left a desk job at a utility where they later decided that everybody needed to wear closed-toe shoes, despite the fact that this back-office never ever saw customers). I don't think very well with hot feet, which I get if I have to wear shoes. That affects "doing my job", so it really does matter. I suspect that a surprising number of people are actually affected a lot by whether or not they are wearing the clothing they are used to, so I am probably not terribly unusual.

      I don't know, just my two cents.

    6. Re:Purpose of an interview by Geam · · Score: 1

      If you're inexperienced (and from what you say I'm going to assume you are) you're resume's going to be pretty short. Put those hobbies on there, they'll give us something to talk about - or I'll ignore them. No harm in having them on there.

      You are right, I do not have a lot of experience. My resume does have more empty space on it now that I have a couple years of real-world experience and I took off High School and jobs that are not related to my career. I do not believe putting unrelated activities and interests is in the best interest of an applicant, though. In your case, you may take it as something to talk about, but what about a hiring manager with a disability that and does not want to feel bad for him/herself by hearing about the weekend the new hire spent at a fancy resort skiing.

      Sure, this may be an extreme case, but in looking at the three possibilities, I see it is weighted against.

      • The interviewer has similar interests: it brings up a common topic that can be talked about, but it does not really matter.
      • The interviewer does not hold the same interest: the topic does not come up and it really does not matter.
      • The interviewer is ashamed, upset, jealous, or discouraged by what is written: the applicant gets marked down (consciously or subconsciously).

      Overall, I would rather not risk getting an interview (or getting past the first interview) because of something that does not matter. Again, I do not have a lot of experience and may be missing a point here.

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  39. Euphemisms by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah euphemistic questions FTW.

    I like: "What's the staff turnover rate like? How about in the dept I'd be joining?"

    If the staff turnover is high, it's often not a good sign. Poor management or hiring practices, and often you'd be picking up the pieces. This doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't join them, but if the turnover is high, the package better be better - haggle if necessary - esp if they know that now you know their environment "isn't better than industry average" based on the employee turnover rate.

    In fact, the Bank Regulator in my country considers high staff turnover a significant negative when doing audits of banks.

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    1. Re:Euphemisms by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bah, don't be silly, during the interview, you ask what ever questions will make you look good in the eyes of the employer. Try and gauge what your interviewer deems important and ask those questions whether you want the answers or not.

      If you really want to know what is going on with the company ask other existing and ex employees outside of the job interview process and try to get the dirt on what is really going on. Don't come off smug or having an inflated opinion of yourself by asking the wrong questions, better to have a couple of job offers and make your choice after successful interviews.

      You should know what the company is like and what it is about well before you turn up to the interview, so that when you talk to them, when you answer their questions and when they give you the opportunity to ask them questions, you adjust your communications to gain a positive outcome.

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    2. Re:Euphemisms by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Silly? I don't see how that question makes me look bad in the eyes of an employer that I would want to be employed by. It only makes me look bad in the eyes of employers that I don't want to work for.

      Better to find out the important things first with practical questions so that I don't waste the company's time and money, and they don't waste my time.

      I don't need offers from many companies especially ones that are a poor match. I only need one offer from a company that I wouldn't mind working for.

      Maybe if I'm really desperate I'd do that, but for now, I'm not.

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    3. Re:Euphemisms by tftp · · Score: 1

      I don't need offers from many companies especially ones that are a poor match. I only need one offer from a company that I wouldn't mind working for.

      1. You presume that you will understand everything about the company within those five minutes, based on non-verifiable answers of strangers, and that those strangers represent an average employee. IMO all of these assumptions are wrong.
      2. You simply give the company an extra chance to reject your application. Better if the rejection comes from you and not from them. Other offers - if you get any - may be worse.
    4. Re:Euphemisms by finalrain · · Score: 1

      Oh, I love this question so much. I've never gotten a straight answer out of asking it, but that doesn't surprise me.

      Interviewees go far too easy on prospective employers. Companies get to ask all sorts of difficult questions, but interviewees are expected to keep their questions vapidly upbeat? Shenanigans.

      How consistently does your company give cost-of-living adjustments? Do you often have freezes on hiring and raises? How likely is it for an employee to receive a raise if they Exceed Expectations consistently and are below the average wage for their position? Do office politics frequently prevent timely resolution of issues?

      I don't think any of these questions are more pointed or impertinent than the questions interviewers frequently ask, but if people asked them, they'd have a hard time getting a job.

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    5. Re:Euphemisms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interviewees go far too easy on prospective employers. Companies get to ask all sorts of difficult questions, but interviewees are expected to keep their questions vapidly upbeat? Shenanigans.

      It's a power thing. They've got it, you don't. They only call you an "applicant" because "supplicant" would be impolite. In the unusual situations where the interviewee has the power (which are basically limited to professional sports, entertainment, and universities attempting to hire Nobel Prize winners), it's reversed.

    6. Re:Euphemisms by finalrain · · Score: 1

      True, but I think the level of power they have is disproportionate. Say there's 20 people interviewing for a position. That's 20 people who need to convince the employer that they're the best person for the job. The employer only has to try really hard to get the one employee that they really want, but even that one interviewee makes it easy on them.

      Partly because he or she doesn't know they're "the one," but largely because that's "just not how it's done."

      You're trying to sell yourself to the company, but you also need to make the company sell themselves to you. The situation doesn't need to be this unequal.

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    7. Re:Euphemisms by billcopc · · Score: 1

      The difference between your attitude and the parent's, is that you're advocating a "sell out at any cost" kind of whoring, while the other guy is proposing an equal-footing type of relationship. If you're starving and are willing to take any shitty job that comes your way, by all means kiss ass and ask brown "questions" whose answer you don't actually care for. If instead you're looking for a satisfying career where your skills can flourish in a healthy way, being a "difficult" candidate is the way to go. If looking out for yourself makes you look bad to a potential employer, chances are you wouldn't like working there anyway. A job can be so much more than just a paycheque, but if you're only shopping for the latter, then that's all you'll get. Frankly, I think people should ask their employers more difficult questions. If they make excuses or are ashamed to answer truthfully, that's just the tip of the iceberg and you should probably jump ship. I don't even care what the question is, if it's something that matters to you, it should matter to them too, and if it doesn't then you will never see eye-to-eye. This reminds me of a funny T-shirt I often wear, it says "Everytime you see a rainbow, god is having gay sex". The reason I love it is because the only people who find it offensive, well I find THEM offensive (overly religious and/or homophobic wackos). Everyone else thinks it's hilarious and witty. Tough interview questions are just like that - they smoke out the people you don't want in your work environment, while flattering the ones you do.

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    8. Re:Euphemisms by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I don't presume that at all. You're the one presuming much.

      In fact, my question has a better chance of telling me something more about the company (stuff that I can't normally find out easily) than asking questions just to make myself look good to the interviewer - which was what the person replying to me said was a better thing to do.

      If you are really desperate for a job, sure do whatever it takes to get the job, take the $$$ and then make escape plans if it goes really bad.

      But remember - many people complain about CEOs etc doing something similar and ruining companies. So if you do that, you could be part of the problem too.

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    9. Re:Euphemisms by jeepien · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better to find out the important things first with practical questions so that I don't waste the company's time and money, and they don't waste my time.
      I don't need offers from many companies especially ones that are a poor match. I only need one offer from a company that I wouldn't mind working for.

      That's the wrong attitude to have in a job interview. It will show on your face, and you will be less likely to get the offer. Make it a (bad) habit, and it could end up costing you on a job you want very much.

      During an interview you have one task: Getting the offer. This is true whether you think you might want the job or not. All your efforts and every word you say should be directed to that one task. There is no other purpose for an interview besides getting the offer. If you don't, then it makes no difference whether you would have liked working there. The choice isn't yours to make.

      Once you get the offer, that is the time to consider whether you want the job, and the people who interviewed you may not be the best source of the best information you need to inform that decision. The level of salary might figure very much in this decision, and is still negotiable at this stage.

    10. Re:Euphemisms by tftp · · Score: 1

      The employer only has to try really hard to get the one employee that they really want, but even that one interviewee makes it easy on them.

      Unless that "one employee" is miles ahead of other applicants, he can lose his leading position if he asks unwelcome questions. In other words, unless you are irreplaceable, unique person you will reduce your chances by asking such questions. It will be also unwise to think that the answers you get are truthful. Interviewers are also humans, and if they don't like you personally (or if they see you as a potential threat to their own positions) they can easily tell you that the company is simply awful without ever actually saying those words. Then you decline the offer and they laugh all the way to the bank.

      The situation doesn't need to be this unequal.

      It doesn't need to be, but it is. There are too many workers and too few employers. Why that is so? Many reasons, but the main one is that it's hard to compete with Asia. The number of markets where such competition is beyond hope is growing with every passing day. In one word, US labor is too expensive for the world market. It's not too expensive only in a handful of areas, like top notch R&D, where there is no competition yet.

    11. Re:Euphemisms by TheLink · · Score: 1

      It's not that unequal.

      You might not be top notch talent, but on the flipside are they a top notch company that the _top_ people are fighting to get into? In most cases, no. So they're getting leftovers.

      So if you're better than the average leftover, you can ask those questions and even haggle ;). Do be pleasant, polite and professional.

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    12. Re:Euphemisms by Javagator · · Score: 1
      you ask what ever questions will make you look good in the eyes of the employer

      I tend to agree with you. The employer doesn't ask questions like, "Would you be willing to work 80 hours a week?", or "Can you deal with angry, unreasonable customers?". Each party tries to put their best foot forward. Sometimes you fool them. Sometimes they fool you.

    13. Re:Euphemisms by kelnos · · Score: 1

      I don't need offers from many companies especially ones that are a poor match. I only need one offer from a company that I wouldn't mind working for.

      True, but other offers can be used as bargaining tools when they're better offers, and the offer from the company you like isn't going to cut it. Not saying you can or should wave the other offer in their face and demand more while wearing your best pouty face, but just knowing that you're evaluating other offers can make you seem more valuable to a potential employer.

      I feel like the only thing worse than being rejected by my dream job would be to have to turn down an offer for my dream job 'cause it won't pay the bills.

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    14. Re:Euphemisms by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Ideally, you're correct. Unfortunately, unless they other 19 people believe and behave as you do, they're more likely to get the job than you are. It's more about supply and demand than anything else, I think. With an applicant pool of 20, with everything equal, each applicant has a 5% chance of getting what they want. Assuming the applicant pool is decent, the employer probably has close to a 100% chance of getting what they want. Even thinking much more pessimistically than that 100% figure, the employer has much better odds than you do just due to the size of the applicant pool.

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    15. Re:Euphemisms by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      Silly? I don't see how that question makes me look bad in the eyes of an employer that I would want to be employed by. It only makes me look bad in the eyes of employers that I don't want to work for. Better to find out the important things first with practical questions so that I don't waste the company's time and money, and they don't waste my time. I don't need offers from many companies especially ones that are a poor match. I only need one offer from a company that I wouldn't mind working for. Maybe if I'm really desperate I'd do that, but for now, I'm not.

      Don't be snotty. It's a small world. Even if you realize in the interview that you *hate* the company and the boss, it is better to finish the interview with class and leave a positive impression. Word (and people) gets around, and you never know, you may come crawling back to that company a year later when the economy tanks.

      I understand where you are coming from, but you have to remember that life is a series of constraints. What wasn't an appealing job when you were single and fresh out of school might seem more interesting when you have a wife, two kids and a mortgage to support.

    16. Re:Euphemisms by lupis42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, "How do you deal with unreasonable customers" is a question I've asked everyone I've ever interviewed. From a business perspective, hiring and training someone who isn't willing or able to deal with the bad days means hiring and training someone who will then leave/be asked to leave, and putting back where we started only later and poorer.

    17. Re:Euphemisms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "During an interview you have one task: Getting the offer. "

      This is a load of crap and the wrong way of thinking. You are going there to see if you are a good match with the company. The words above are the words of a very desperate person. Often people in the tech industry are not desperate, go figure, due to their intelligence and value in the market place. Interviewing isn't just about getting the offer, there's alot more to it than that, it's like a date and you are feeling out them just as they are feeling out you. Don't think like a slave.

    18. Re:Euphemisms by bmimatt · · Score: 1

      The positive and confident vibe you should give off on the first impression is IMHO very important, after all it creates a better and more productive working environment for everyone. However a great deal of employers prefer to look for capability for supplication, especially if the interviewer is one of these people who feel like they must dig trenches around themselves to preserve their own status quo.  I've actually landed a gig when went to an interview while being sick but didn't want to pass on that particular opportunity and my performance was less than stellar.  The interviewer told me a year later that he didn't want to hire an overzealot... Go figure.

    19. Re:Euphemisms by jeepien · · Score: 1

      Rubbish.

      Nobody said you should accept the offer. In fact, the more offers you get, the less likely you are to be desperate, the more open your options are, and the more likely you are to land a job you truly love.

      But you still need to know what the purpose of an interview is, and willful ignorance will get you no more than you deserve, all your anonymity and cowardice notwithstanding.

  40. Which do you prefer, briefs or boxers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing follows.

  41. Don't ask questions by cecil_turtle · · Score: 1

    The interview is for them to interview you. There may be an opportunity to reciprocate, but don't - the interviewer just wants to finish the interview at that point. If you ask a bunch of questions you may turn them off or change their minds. If they ask, you can just say "not at this time, thank you."

    Learn as much as you can about the company before going on the interview, and then be observant when you go to the interview - pay attention to people in the parking lot, smoking at the doors, how the receptionist is, what people are wearing, etc. but don't ask questions during the interview. If they decide they want to offer you a position, that is the time to go back and ask all of your follow up questions.

    1. Re:Don't ask questions by cob666 · · Score: 1

      The interview is for them to interview you. There may be an opportunity to reciprocate, but don't - the interviewer just wants to finish the interview at that point. If you ask a bunch of questions you may turn them off or change their minds. If they ask, you can just say "not at this time, thank you."

      This is exactly how people get into jobs that they aren't happy with.

      --
      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law - Aleister Crowley
    2. Re:Don't ask questions by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      This is excellent advice for anyone applying for an entry-level position that requires little or no critical thinking or initiative.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    3. Re:Don't ask questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The interview is for them to interview you. There may be an opportunity to reciprocate, but don't - the interviewer just wants to finish the interview at that point. If you ask a bunch of questions you may turn them off or change their minds. If they ask, you can just say "not at this time, thank you."

      That's completely wrong! Now you look like you don't have any interest in the company or what they do. You're just looking for a paycheck.

    4. Re:Don't ask questions by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is the worst advice I've seen on Slashdot. I'm a hiring manager. I conduct several interviews per week. It is a terrible red flag if someone does not have any questions. It demonstrates a lack of curiosity and empowerment. I need to hire curious people who will find and solve interesting problems for the business. The questions the candidate asks are a means to deciding if the he or she has what it takes.

    5. Re:Don't ask questions by Walkey · · Score: 1
      While it is good advice to do background research and be observant, the purpose of the interview is not just for the company to evaluate a potential employee (you).

      It is, of course, also for you to evaluate whether this job will suit you. One thing you absolutely want to find out is whether this is a dead end for you or whether it will open doors and serve your career plans. A pretty tough nut to crack, but all attempts will shed some light.

      What you may or may not ask depends on several factors:
      • How desperate you are for a job. If you absolutely need the job pretty much at all costs, then show interest as others suggested and don't quiz them too much on questions that they may not like to answer.
        If however you can afford to loose this opportunity then you do need to be inquisitive to make sure you are going to land a job that will fulfil your requirements.
      • How good a fit you are for the job. If you are confident, based on the interviewer's reactions, that you are of great interest to them, you can afford to press harder questions and get a better sense of what the full situation is.
      • Depending on the personality of the interviewer, some questions may be wiser than others. For instance if the future boss is authoritarian, do not question their authority. If they seem very open to change, be careful not to assume too much freedom, instead expect them to want you to show substantial initiative. This will change what you may want to ask or not.
      • What type of career plan you have for yourself. Of course you want to be careful about what you say on this matter. For instance don't say that what you really want is your boss's position! But you do need to gain insight into what the position has to offer to you.

      And probably many other factors I have not thought about in the last 20 minutes...

    6. Re:Don't ask questions by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1

      As a candidate, I find myself on the other side of an interviewer who just answered all the things I really want to know about - breakdown of responsibility, working environment, overtime expectations, formality/informality, etc. I now look like a chump because the interviewer did a good job of telling me about the position.

      --
      I am one of many. My idea is not unique, nor do I expect my voice alone to sway you. I speak in a chorus of opinion.
    7. Re:Don't ask questions by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Then tell them what you would've asked and thank them for having already covered those topics.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    8. Re:Don't ask questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agree,

      I am a hiring manager as well. I want the prospective employee to do at least 50% of the talking. The more they talk, the more I get a better feel for who they are. People that don't ask any questions about the company are basically worthless to me.

      I do miss the the older days. I used to ask questions like 'Are you still a virigin' 'What drugs have you done in your life' 'Are you a racist' 'What religion are you part of'

      Luckily I never had a complaint about any of my questions but I'm not allowed to ask those questions anymore. It's too bad, because although I wasn't particularly interested in the answers, I was interested in how people handled those very difficult and awkward questions in an interview. It showed me what type of employee they'd be in my work environment.

      And with that said, every job and interviewer are different. There are interviewers that know nothing about your job, don't care about you, just car about getting the interview done and will leave it up to a second or third round of interviews to make a decision. There are ones that want to really figure out what you are about now and only plan on doing one interview so they want to get all the info they can out of that one meeting.

      Your best bet is to do your own research on the company the best you can, be honest in the interview and be true to yourself. If you want a job to match your style, show off your style in your interview.

    9. Re:Don't ask questions by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I made another comment on here already, along these lines.... but I'll re-iterate anyway.

      I've definitely had interviews where, by the end, I really had no useful questions that came to mind -- simply because after an hour of so of "back and forth" about the company and the job requirements, plus a tour that let me see things ranging from the dress code to the environment employees were working in, there wasn't much left to ask.

      To me, saying "I think you've answered all of my questions right now, but I'll definitely follow up with you if I think of anything else." is a perfectly honest and legitimate answer. Certainly looks better than trying to make up some silly question you really wouldn't have asked otherwise, but are trying to throw out there just so the employer can check-off his list that "Yep, they asked me something."

      Rather than "red flagging" a person for not having a question at the end of the interview, I think you'd be wise to ask them questions DURING said interview to determine their problem-solving capabilities. (EG. Ask them to tell you about 1 or 2 situations in previous jobs where they encountered a puzzling problem, and how they went about solving it.)

    10. Re:Don't ask questions by cecil_turtle · · Score: 1

      I should probably clarify a bit. I was a hiring manager for many years, and now hiring managers report to me. I'm not suggesting to not engage in the interview and ask questions about job relevant topics as they arrive, I was speaking about asking what generally amount to be HR related questions at the end of the interview (as per original topic) when they "turn it over to you". Hiring managers don't want to sit there and try to remember if the time off for bereavement if your great-uncle who is sick dies next week is 2 days or 3 days, etc.

      I read most of the suggested questions above my post on the page and on 70% of them they are not relevant to the job at hand which makes hiring managers roll their eyes, sigh, and try to figure out exactly how needy this employee is going to be and if they're willing to put up with them. So let me change my statement slightly to: ask only duty-specific questions.

    11. Re:Don't ask questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the worst hiring manager I've seen post on Slashdot.
      Perhaps you just plain tuckered out your interviewee with swinging lamp interrogations that they just don't have a will to live after your thugs have gotten through with them.
      We're not here to be curious, and to sound interesting. We're here to do the job and make the company money. The chance are more likely that you wouldn't know what a good employee is if one fell from the sky and smashed right into your skull.

      If you can't figure out whether or not a person is good enough for your company by just looking at their resume', don't waste their damn time with your self-aggrandizing interview.

    12. Re:Don't ask questions by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      I always ask questions as the interview progresses, however I make sure I mention when the "do you have any questions?" comes up to mention that I have asked my questions as the interview has progressed (it is fairly obvious to anyone interviewing me that this is the case as I treat an interview as a dialogue, not an interrogation).

    13. Re:Don't ask questions by aclarke · · Score: 1

      This is a fine response, because it sounds like in your example you've been asking questions throughout the interview process. If you were not sure that your interviewer noticed this you could say that they've given you a lot of opportunities to ask questions throughout the process, so thank you but at this point you've been able to get an answer to all your questions. Or that you did have some questions coming into the interview but you feel very comfortable with how things have gone as you've been able to get all your questions answered.

      This way it makes it clear that you DID have an active interest in the process and it isn't just that you have no questions, and also maybe gives the interviewer kudos for being a thorough interviewer, which makes them feel more comfortable with the process as well. Many interviewers feel just as nervous as the interviewee. After all, they don't want to make a bad decision either.

    14. Re:Don't ask questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is a fairly pig headed statement. Several times I have had interviews and I had done my legwork (read about the company, asked ex employees about the company [thanks linkedin], knew all the vacations, education, etc. stuff from my comprehensive grilling of the HR mug at the HR screening, downloaded the companies products or signed up for a free month if they are online, etc. In other words I took it quite seriously and had satisfied myself that I wanted to work there and had no more questions and this was somehow interpreted as a lack of interest. You were probably the guy on the other end of the phone...

  42. mine... by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    1. What's the dress code? (Usually you can just infer this by looking at the employees who interview you.)

    2. How many hours do people usually work in a normal week? (This can be dangerous in that it can communicate to an employer that you're "worried" about having to work "too much", but I always feel like I have to ask it anyway.)

    3. Same question as above, but for "crunch time" situations (e.g. just before a release, etc.)?

    4. How do you assess employee performance? (I don't always ask this since it's typically not a deal breaker, but it's still good to know. Some places have review processes that are pretty crappy.)

    1. Re:mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, dress code is usually tied to the amount of customer contact. If you have a discussion about the department's involvement with the customer that will give you a good idea.

  43. Don't ask policy questions by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    such as what the dress code is, what the hours are etc. in the actual interview, save it for if/when the offer comes.

    1. Re:Don't ask policy questions by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      such as what the dress code is, what the hours are etc. in the actual interview, save it for if/when the offer comes.

      And if they don't want to answer even then, RUN.

  44. Question asked... by Annwvyn · · Score: 1

    Though this may be off topic, it is along the same lines. Asking questions is important, but what threw me off in my most recent interview was a question that I was asked. After I gave them the everything-I-am speech about dedication and drive... "Why should we hire you?" What makes you better than the entire stack of applicants exactly like you who are going to say a lot of the same stuff you just said? Basically... why should we give a crap about you? If you get asked this question... better have something poignant to say.

    1. Re:Question asked... by ledow · · Score: 1

      If you can't answer that, how on earth do you fill out your resumes/applications? The entire job process is about selling yourself not because "I'm good" but because "I can do this job better than the other candidates". You should be asking yourself that question with every interaction with that employer - when you're reading the job post, when you reply to it, when you fill out the application form, when you are in the interview, that question is the only relevant one that you tailor every answer to.

      The reason you were asked it is because they want to see who is stumped by it because they DIDN'T do their research and probably don't know why the company should hire them - they were just hoping for a lucky "yes". Anyone else should be able to answer that with answers to other questions they've been asked... "Well, like I say, I think I can provide X, Y, Z... I think I've shown that you'll get a dedicated worker, my refereneces will back up the fact that I've been doing this sort of work for years with good results, and I think I can provide a lot of what you say your company needs like..."

  45. Employee handbook, first-day documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you accept an offer, ask to see a copy of the employee handbook and copies of any documents (additional NDAs, patent agreements, etc.) that you will be expected to sign on your first day of work. Your ability to negotiate about these will be drastically reduced if you have already accepted an offer, and turned down any other opportunities, and shown up at work expecting that the paychecks will start arriving in 2 weeks.

    1. Re:Employee handbook, first-day documents by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      good point... this is where the interviewer giveth and the HR department taketh away.

      But it's "standard" paperwork, and "company rules" so the HR person HAS TO make you follow them even if it's not what you were told. Classic bait and switch.

    2. Re:Employee handbook, first-day documents by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's not true. If you get the hiring manager to put it in writing in your offer letter, you can tell HR to go screw. It's a contract. I have done this several times. It's best to do it with things like getting your cell phone and network connection paid for, as opposed to challenging major policies like sick leave.

      --
      I was taught to respect my elders. The trouble is, it's getting harder and harder to find some.
  46. What is your favorite search engine? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    If your future boss replies "yahoo," run the other way.

    Seriously*, though, here are some tips:

    I think it's appropriate to ask what kind of project backlog the group/company has, and whether that is low, average, or high
            This will tell you where they are in their cycle, and if they're trying to shore up from ship-jumpers, replacing normal attrition, or growing - and how likely your job is to be there in a years time.

    Dress code - you shouldn't need to ask about this one unless either
            (a) everybody in the office is in a suit and tie, in which case you may ask if that is typical (or more cagily, if Fridays are casual)
            (b) everybody is in shorts and a T-shirt, in which case you should ask if this is "casual day," and what normal work attire is
            otherwise you can expected to wear what everyone else wears

    General HR policy questions (leave/overtime/benefits) can wait until the offer - they're not salient tot he interview. Keep all of your questions about the position, the culture, the relationship of management to the team. That said, make sure you get a chance to review the employee handbook before you commit either way, and be certain that you have them fill in any missing information (if OT policy is omitted, for example).

    Okay, that one was serious - jut don't ask it directly. If anyone actually uses Yahoo, stay clear. I'm 0 for 2 on employees that use it. One thankfully left of her own accord, the other I had to dismiss. Neither were worth half their salary.

    --
    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    1. Re:What is your favorite search engine? by selven · · Score: 1

      If anyone actually uses Yahoo, stay clear. I'm 0 for 2 on employees that use it. One thankfully left of her own accord, the other I had to dismiss. Neither were worth half their salary.

      Two is a valid statistical sample now? People have hundreds of preferences, the probability is nearly 100% that for one of these preferences, everyone that goes a certain way is a bad employee.

  47. Oblig quote by Hojima · · Score: 0, Troll

    Am I... am I supposed to type with my penis?

    1. Re:Oblig quote by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Am I... am I supposed to type with my penis?"

      Hunt and pecker?

    2. Re:Oblig quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try family guy

  48. My Top 10 by Brento · · Score: 1

    I blogged about my top 10 questions to ask before taking an IT job, and some of 'em included:

    8. What is the on-call rotation schedule?
    7. In the last year, how many times has the on-call person been called?
    4. Can I schedule vacations around the holidays?

    --
    What's your damage, Heather?
    1. Re:My Top 10 by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I blogged about my top 10 questions to ask before taking an IT job, and some of 'em included:

      #5 "Is twitter blocked by the Firewall?" makes it kind of difficult to take the list seriously, even though the others are really good suggestions, for the most part.

  49. For a developer position: by dword · · Score: 1

    How often do you back up everything and where are the backup servers?
    What percentage of the time will i be spending on fixing bugs in legacy code?
    Will I be consulted before software/hardware architecture changes?

    No backups = don't take the job
    No legacy code = ask why they aren't considering integration with something that already exists as open-source (if, as often, it's the case)
    Definitely be consulted before major decisions = bullshit / bulljob (they're either lying or you'll be doing a lot more than just software development)

    1. Re:For a developer position: by aclarke · · Score: 1

      No backups = don't take the job

      Maybe, maybe not, depending on the answers to your other questions. Not being organised enough to have backups can mean there's a great opportunity for you to make a big difference. There are opportunities in chaos if you're the sort of person who's interested in taking advantage of them.

  50. Avoiding Programming Jobs Where You Don't Program by assertation · · Score: 1

    An HR friend of mine told me that coming off as too suspicious about a job can make you look high maintenance and undesirable.

    However, I think when I go looking again I will ask many detailed questions.

    Too many employers advertise for programmers, but really want general IT janitors and stick you in a job where you are doing everything but coding for long stretches of time. It is my hope that by asking specifics ( when do I start building the code after I am hire? etc ) and watching their responses could help you avoid accepting one of these jobs .

    I would be interested in reading other programmers thoughts about how to avoid these situations.

    I've also see companies that lie about the technologies they use to sound more interesting as well as modern. I would say ask them some questions about those technologies as well to see if they ever actually used them, took them out of the box etc.

  51. Try the Joel Test by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For a software position, try to see how well the company scores on the Joel Test:
    1. Do you use source control?
    2. Can you make a build in one step?
    3. Do you make daily builds?
    4. Do you have a bug database?
    5. Do you fix bugs before writing new code?
    6. Do you have an up-to-date schedule?
    7. Do you have a spec?
    8. Do programmers have quiet working conditions?
    9. Do you use the best tools money can buy?
    10. Do you have testers?
    11. Do new candidates write code during their interview?
    12. Do you do hallway usability testing?
    1. Re:Try the Joel Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are good questions. But they only show how you would be working, which is important and shows what kind of project you will end up on. You want to find out about the business too...

      'How is business?' -- this shows several things. Is things looking good and your not going to jacked in 2 months 'due to lack of funds'. Then you are just looking for another job very quickly (yes companies will do this). It also shows how informed the upper management likes to keep its lower level employees.
      'How often do you meet with your boss?' -- this shows how interested the business would be in YOU.
      With a follow up of 'Is that typical of just your group or do others do the same thing?' -- This shows do groups interact or are their walls between groups. This can create barriers in the company and makes it hard to get things done.
      'How are feature requests made for the product?' -- this shows how customer focused they are or if they made a bunch of stuff up that no one uses.

    2. Re:Try the Joel Test by prichardson · · Score: 1

      I skimmed his site. It looks like Joel used to work for Microsoft. One thing he said made me laugh a little.

      A hallway usability test is where you grab the next person that passes by in the hallway and force them to try to use the code you just wrote. If you do this to five people, you will learn 95% of what there is to learn about usability problems in your code.

      Good user interface design is not as hard as you would think

      I guess that explains Microsoft's shit-poor attempts at UI design?

      --
      Help I'm a rock.
    3. Re:Try the Joel Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a software position, try to see how well the company scores on the Joel Test:


      1.      
      2. Do you use source control?
      3. Can you make a build in one step?
      4. Do you make daily builds?
      5. Do you have a bug database?
      6. Do you fix bugs before writing new code?
      7. Do you have an up-to-date schedule?
      8. Do you have a spec?
      9. Do programmers have quiet working conditions?
      10. Do you use the best tools money can buy?
      11. Do you have testers?
      12. Do new candidates write code during their interview?
      13. Do you do hallway usability testing?

      Also see http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html ;D

    4. Re:Try the Joel Test by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      8. Do programmers have quiet working conditions?

      This is an important one, I've found out the hard way. I recently started a job where I failed to ask this question, and wasn't really shown the working environment, and it turns out they have a mostly-open working environment, with no cubicles. As a result, I find it incredibly hard to concentrate on work, with people walking by all the time, conversations going on just behind me between my coworker who sits right next to me and other people, etc.

      So, my #1 requirement for my next job: a cubicle, at least.

    5. Re:Try the Joel Test by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Funny

      1. Do you use source control?

      No, we expect the source to exercise self-control. It's a grown-up like the rest of us.

      2. Can you make a build in one step?

      That depends on what we're building. We've built some monumental cluster-fucks with one step. I mean, if you don't want the self-destruct button pressed, then don't make it a big red button that just screams out to be pushed.

      3. Do you make daily builds?

      On some days.

      4. Do you have a bug database?

      The biggest on the planet, if not the galaxy!

      5. Do you fix bugs before writing new code?

      Sometimes, but we usually fix bugs after writing new code.

      6. Do you have an up-to-date schedule?

      Yes, and it says I'm due at the gym now, so make this snappy.

      7. Do you have a spec?

      A spec of what?

      8. Do programmers have quiet working conditions?

      I'm told that some do, somewhere.

      9. Do you use the best tools money can buy?

      Yes, we use the best commercial tools we can find on Usenet.

      10. Do you have testers?

      Yes, I never eat a meal without having someone else try it first. If I had a dollar for every time I dodged a cyanide bullet...

      11. Do new candidates write code during their interview?

      Yes, "SOS" is a code, isn't it?

      12. Do you do hallway usability testing?

      We used to, but we found our hallways to be quite usable. So we stopped.

    6. Re:Try the Joel Test by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Considering the vast majority of software houses do absolutely no usability testing whatsoever , if you consistently do Hallway Testing, you're way above average in the industry. Seriously.

      Now, obviously, having a real usability testing lab/plan is far superior to Hallway Testing alone, but it doesn't make a hallway usability test obsolete. (Think of it like Unit Tests-- nobody sane would say that Unit Tests could replace a proper QA department, but they sure help a lot despite that.)

      I guess that explains Microsoft's shit-poor attempts at UI design?

      Of course the thing that pisses me off the most is that Microsoft puts tons of time and effort into usability testing, far, far more than any other software company (except perhaps Apple.) All the changes that have gone into Vista and Office 2007 are there because they're measurably superior to the older way of doing things, confirmed by a program of usability testing.

      For example, you snark that Microsoft's UI designs are "shit-poor." Really? Then put your money where your mouth is and prove it. Show me a valid study that backs up your claim, and I'll eat my hat.

      Usability is important, perhaps the most important part of software development. Any company that commits resources to it should be cheered on, even if they're Microsoft.

    7. Re:Try the Joel Test by prichardson · · Score: 1

      I think Microsoft's testing methods must be flawed. I don't know what they are, so I can't make specific criticisms.

      In a strange way it makes sense to me that Microsoft focus-groups its UI. Their software seems like it was designed by committee. For example, (if I remember correctly) screensaver and desktop background are in the same preference pane as resolution and bit depth. This preference pane has something like 10 tabs which control all sorts of disparate things. These 10 tabs then form two rows which creates its own usability nightmare.

      In Max OS X these are separated out. There's a 'Displays" preference which controls resolution, but depth, and various multiple monitor options. Additionally there's a 'Desktop and Screensaver" preference that controls desktop and screensaver stuff.

      I can imagine a focus group of users demanding that all that stuff is 'monitor related' and therefor should all go together. However, I think at Apple someone looked and thought and decided that separating them out was the better way.

      I find, in general, users say they want everything and the kitchen sink. Microsoft obliges its users and their UI design is the result. Some developers don't spend anything "testing", but they do think about their UI and the result is often not bad. Of course some developers are stupid and that's where the really atrocious stuff comes out.

      --
      Help I'm a rock.
    8. Re:Try the Joel Test by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      For example, (if I remember correctly)

      You don't.

      This preference pane has something like 10 tabs which control all sorts of disparate things. These 10 tabs then form two rows which creates its own usability nightmare.

      No. All of the disparate control panels (Desktop Background, Customize Colors, Screen Resolution, Screen Saver, and Change Theme) have ONE tab each. But don't let a silly thing like a FACT interrupt your constant flow of anti-Microsoft bullshit.

      However, I think at Apple someone looked and thought and decided that separating them out was the better way.

      Gee! If only Microsoft would separa-- OH WAIT THEY DID.

      Microsoft obliges its users and their UI design is the result.

      What the holy fuck do you know about the Microsoft UI? You only gave *one* example in your post, and it was completely, utterly wrong. Each word makes you sound dumber and dumber.

  52. Two related questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) What do you like about working here?

    2) What *don't* you like about working here?

    The second one can get you some interesting answers, and alert you to things that might be potential issues. For example, if you absolutely cannot stand monthly reviews, and your interviewer tells you that they don't like how often the reviews are, then perhaps you wouldn't like this job.

  53. Questions by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Why is this position open?
    If the person who had the position previously left, why?
    Has anybody in this position been promoted in the past year or two?
    How many people in this position have left in the past year or two?

  54. Interview Bet by Cytlid · · Score: 1

    I once bet a friend (ironically a manager from a previous job) I could use the word "chemical toilet" in an interview. I got the job and won the bet.

    --
    FLR
    1. Re:Interview Bet by meowhous · · Score: 1

      Context!! Context!! (The curiosity about this is going to bug me for awhile.)

    2. Re:Interview Bet by Cytlid · · Score: 1

      ;oD

      Well, ok. I had lost my job and I showed my buddy a link to an RV, and I said, look my new house!

      So a few days later, I got an interview, and he said "don't forget to say chemical toilet in the interview."

      Sooo, during the interview, I said something to the effect of, if I don't find a job soon, I'll be living out of an RV and I'll have to dump my chemical toilet in places like your parking lot.

      I established camaraderie with the hiring manager from day one ...

      --
      FLR
    3. Re:Interview Bet by Cytlid · · Score: 1

      I had bet another friend to use the words "optimus prime" in a legit work email...

      --
      FLR
  55. Name? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    What is your full name would sound creepy to an interviewer. Ask for a business card instead.

    Also, a good question is "how long have you been with the company and how do you like it".

    --
    The cake is a pie
  56. grill the manager(s) by jasontheking · · Score: 1

    I've had some bad managers in the past, so the questions I've started asking in interviews let me see how good the manager is.

    stuff like

    "go through the major points raised in the mythical man month."
    (point to a random person in the room, that works under that manager) "when was the last time that person took time off"
    "how do you get status on your projects" (are they going to bother you a lot asking how close you are to finishing, is their VCS set up to let you mark when things are completed, and does the manager read it)

  57. In this economy? by otter42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only question I can think of is,

    "Are you hiring?"

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  58. Unfortunatly, I agree by coryking · · Score: 1

    Unless you are very careful in your wording, even companies that *do* have have flexible working might take it the wrong way (i.e. "What, you want to slack off?").

    I guess the proper question might be--what is the best way to deduce if said company has flex work. My hunch is the answer varies by the size of the company. You probably could very bluntly ask "what is your policy on flexible working" to a big-co, but with a small-co you will have to be more subtle.

  59. Competition by warGod3 · · Score: 1

    Find out how many other candidates have interviewed for the job and where you stand based on the competition and who else has been interviewed. Of course, it sucks if you are the first interviewee. But then you can also tailor the question to ask where do they think that you fit in accordance to what they are looking for based on the interview. In other words, is this one that is going to call and offer you something or is this the one that is never going to call or return a call.

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    "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mattis
  60. Joel Test for Programming Jobs by darkstar949 · · Score: 1

    If it is a programming type position, I would likely ask then the check list of questions offered by the Joel Test and make sure they have really good reasons for any negative responses. Also, based upon my own experiences, I would add one more question to that list, "What is the background of the person that will be my supervisor?" For a position that involves you writing a lot of code, having someone that is not familiar with the process as your supervisor is definitely a negative.

  61. Career Builder by yerktoader · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I looked up this kind of stuff in Google, and the first link was to Career Builder. I copied down some of the catchall questions for an interview later that day. Granted the job turned out to be kind of tailored to my previous experience, but that experience is more jack of all trades than emphasized which they were okay with. I think it had to do in large part to the fact that I knocked that interview out of the park, and I think that is in part due to the questions I copied down.

    I don't really think much of that kind of stuff, but if it works, it works.

  62. Some of mine by SatanicMuon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I talk to non-managers, I always ask them things like how do you like working here, and what don't you like about it? Most companies that I've interviewed with do tend to allow the people in the group you're interviewing with to talk to candidates and make sure they're a good fit personality-wise, so when I get a chance to talk to non-management types, I always like to get their perspective on the company, the environment, and the work, since it tends to be different from that of the managers. And when I'm on the other side of it (talking to candidates for my company), I try to give them both the good and bad aspects of the job.

    About 10 years ago, I learned the hard way that the questions you ask can determine whether or not you get a job. I had received an offer at a large company, and when I learned that some amount of on-call time was going to be required, I asked whether this was a 24-7 thing, or whether there was some kind of rotating system of shifts. They rescinded the offer just because I asked the question; I was really glad they did, because I didn't want to work for a manager who would do such a thing. (I ended up taking a different job in the same company, for more money and with no on-call requirement.)

    Which brings me to another point: if your questions are reasonable and a company declines to offer you the job just because of that, you probably don't want to work for them anyway.

  63. LOL by coryking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pull a stunt like that and you'd strike out if I was interviewing you. To each their own, but fer christ sakes it is an email client not your main development tool!

    Once you start asking religious questions like the ones in your post, you start to look like a person who will be very difficult to work with. After all, if you have major demands for extremely minor things like your email client, what kinds of demands are you going to asking for when it comes to actually doing your job?

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? You would reject a candidate solely because he asked you what kind of software he's expected to use on his work computer?

      Wow, what an asshole!

    2. Re:LOL by pdh11 · · Score: 1

      Pull a stunt like that and you'd strike out if I was interviewing you. To each their own, but fer christ sakes it is an email client not your main development tool!

      Yes. That's why, as I said, I suggest paying attention to how they reply, not to which actual products they name.

      After all, if you have major demands for extremely minor things like your email client, what kinds of demands are you going to asking for when it comes to actually doing your job?

      For one thing, an email client is one of the primary tools of most jobs today, even software development jobs -- though I agree that in fact few, maybe none, are actually unusable.

      But yes, the purpose of the question is very much for the interviewee to determine whether "major demands" for tools that are needed to actually do the job, such as source-control (which is why I indicated a harder line on that) are listened to or not. (It's not, as you seem to have inferred, a recommendation to make such demands at interview.) At the level I'd be interviewing at, for instance, you'd be taking me on not just for my experience in the design of software, but for my experience in the design of software-development organisations. The suggestion of "Babe Ruth" tooling isn't born from some prima-donna fantasy, it's the result of my having worked in both kinds of environments and seen the efficiency advantages. So that's one free piece of advice for your organisation without you even needing to have hired me.

      Peter

    3. Re:LOL by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      Pull a stunt like that and you'd strike out if I was interviewing you. To each their own, but fer christ sakes it is an email client not your main development tool!

      An interviewer who displays that sort of attitude is a red flag that the corporate culture is sick and probably not something I would want to get involved in. Time to cut my losses, and get on with looking for a decent, or at least acceptable, job.

      --
      Will
    4. Re:LOL by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      Pull a stunt like that and you'd strike out if I was interviewing you.

      You say that as if it were a bad thing. What makes you think he'd want to work for you?

      To each their own, but fer christ sakes it is an email client not your main development tool!

      He doesn't care about the e-mail client. He's trying to gauge whether he has total freedom to choose whatever tools he wants, or if the IT department pretty much dictates what he can or can't use. If he doesn't have total freedom, he doesn't want to work for you, and if you "strike him out" it doesn't matter because he already decided he would refuse your offer anyway.

      The whole point of his "we don't tell Babe Ruth how to hold his bat" story is that he wants to work in a place where his management tells him, "here's what we want done, and we don't care how you do it." There are places like that, I work in one of them. They're usually small businesses, so the salary isn't really competitive, but then again there's a lot less stress (and I'll make that choice any day). I also managed to skip the mass layoffs of the big companies last year because every employee we have is vital for the continued existence of the place. When we lose contracts, we each get less work, but none of us can be fired because nobody else here is qualified to do anybody else's job. As long as we have ONE contract to work on, we're all needed. So, basically, the only way anyone gets fired is if the company goes under entirely or we're incompetent at our duties.

      A lot of people think of interviews as being one-sided where the potential new employee just wants a way to pay for his bills. The fact that anyone still holds this belief is why we need more unions. The interview should be a place where you're as worried that the person you're interviewing might refuse your offer as he is that you might find somebody more suitable for the job. Assuming you both want to work together that is, which is not supposed to be a given.

    5. Re:LOL by pdh11 · · Score: 1

      He doesn't care about the e-mail client. He's trying to gauge whether he has total freedom to choose whatever tools he wants, or if the IT department pretty much dictates what he can or can't use.

      Actually, it's not even really about whether developers individually get to choose the tools. It's about trying to gauge whether engineering as a whole has freedom to choose the tools, or whether it's imposed from above/outside. I've seen environments where literally the entire development team (including management) hates the source-control system, and the entire development plus QA teams (including management) hate the bug-tracking system, but corporate politics has left them with no mandate to get them changed against the wishes of the IT department. Perhaps that is indeed a rare pathology, but it's the one the question was intended to be diagnosing.

      Peter

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That works out well, because I wouldn't want to work for an asshole who takes control over which tools I use to get the job done. In many positions, email is a critical part of your job. Having to spend hours painfully working inside outlook sounds like a nightmare of a job.

      What I am allowed to use is a very critical part of who I work for. I am a Mac user, and I absolutely refuse to work for ANY company that doesn't give me the option of Mac vs PC. This is the primary reason I moved to the bay area, because most of the time this is an option.

    7. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you believe that, I don't want to work for you. So it sounds like a good qualifying question to me !

    8. Re:LOL by djcapelis · · Score: 1

      Yes, because we all know wanting to use a platform you're more familiar with and can work faster on or allow you to post to mailing lists you need to work with are just religious concerns.

      You'd strike out if you responded like that to a candidate that cares about having the best tools for their job available. You may not agree with the person's choice of tools, but not agreeing that a person should be able to use the tools that they're most effective with is exactly the type of failure the OP's question is supposed to illuminate.

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      I touch computers in naughty places
    9. Re:LOL by blagger99 · · Score: 1

      "Minor things like your email client"

      You obviously have never been forced to use Lotus Notes. I spend about 10 minutes every day waiting for that POS software just to update it's display. Another 20 minutes a week working out how to do something that is banal in any real email client. That's over an hour each week wasted on crappy software. One hour of my time, especially at the companys expense, is not minor.

      When you spend all day working with software, and a lot of time with a particular app like an email client, the choice of software has a huge impact on your work environment.

      Minor: no. Major.

    10. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly. putting emphasis on those things surely suggests that you are not that serious on what they do. Another great way to screw up an interview.

    11. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, if you have major demands for extremely minor things like your email client, what kinds of demands are you going to asking for when it comes to actually doing your job?

      I don't know about you, but I spend a large percentage of my day communicating via email. If I'm dealing with a program that doesn't fit with the way I work, it's going to slow me down, and make me less efficient as a resource that the company is paying to perform a task.

    12. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that. If one is woried about the e-mail client used in a company, it means, for the employer, that the prospective employee:
      1. Might be unwilling to embrace change, in general.
      2. Might be unable to adapt to new/different work conditions and last but not least:
      3. Might be technically impaired.

      There was this one time where the employer specifically brought this up during an interview, mentioning they use some pretty weird tools that any prospective employee would be very unlikely to have been working with in the past. There was one guy who got hired because he said: "Cool, I haven't been working with any of those, I can't wait to learn those!".

      Sometimes it simply shows how willing you are to embrace change. And that's an asset an employer wants.

    13. Re:LOL by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Pull a stunt like that and you'd strike out if I was interviewing you.

      If you won't hire anyone who's smart enough to ask about the tools he's going to be using for the next couple of years, then I don't think I'd want to work for you.

    14. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, if you have major demands for extremely minor things like your email client, what kinds of demands are you going to asking for when it comes to actually doing your job?

      If the company demands conformity in extremely minor things like its workers' email clients, what is it going to be like in other respects?

    15. Re:LOL by user317 · · Score: 1

      Pull a stunt like that and you'd strike out if I was interviewing you. To each their own, but fer christ sakes it is an email client not your main development tool!

      Once you start asking religious questions like the ones in your post, you start to look like a person who will be very difficult to work with. After all, if you have major demands for extremely minor things like your email client, what kinds of demands are you going to asking for when it comes to actually doing your job?

      are you kidding me? on any project with customers (open source or commercial) it would take less then a year for you to starting writing more emails then code. forcing outlook is just as bad for efficiency as forcing visual studio.

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    16. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? What is it about asking what software/hardware is required that produces a "strikeout" If your primary development software is notepad, shouldn't I know that going in? It not like the answer matters so much, so long as you have answers. If you have no answers, then to me, as an interviewee, it tells me that you don't worry about the details, which can make the job much more difficult for an employee.

  64. Why is the job available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I'd asked this the second-to-last job I had. Turns out everyone in the particular group I was hired into was clearing out because they disliked the current customer. The customer wasn't happy with the change, we got no help from the previous group, and everyone was pretty miserable.

    1. Re:Why is the job available? by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Love this one, and always ask it.

  65. fit in by DaveGod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every person I know who does job interviews says that the main thing they are looking for is whether you will fit in to the workplace. That's being a little simplistic maybe, but consider that the interviewer(s) are people too (and they're probably quite nervous as well). It's actually quite common to have an interview panel comprised of a higher level boss, the immediate manager of the position and a colleague (though maybe a senior or supervisor), and in these cases you need unanimous approval.

    Some of the points I take from this are -
    - whether they think you will get on with colleagues (so ask open-ended questions about potential co-workers that might leave you an opening to divulge some shared interests);
    - whether they think they will be able to work with you (honesty, integrity, respect, professionalism, personable),
    - what your personality can offer,
    - long-term promise (ask about Continued Professional Development or whatever),
    - the approach you take to your work - are you naturally someone who tries to provide value to the client? Do you "hug"? Or do you focus on being efficient? Consider say a bank - some banks the customer wants to get in and out as quickly, easily and cheaply as possible while other banks have customers that want to come in and be offered a cup of coffee before they have a lengthy discussion with their account manager that might include both their new loan, the way forward for their business and golf. The interviewer is not looking for someone who would be great at the other bank.

    The trick is doing this in a way that is appropriate to the company and the profession. Be sure to read the website, their literature and figure out their market and their position in it. That not only provides you with ammo for discussion but indicates your interest in the company, that you think you're right for the company (and the company right for you!) and that you were smart enough to have thought of it.

    I walked into my first interview for a "proper job" and within 30 seconds was asked what I thought about their new website, I confessed I hadn't had chance to read it and it was blatantly game over from there. The next interview I was asked something which was a clear opener for me to remark about the website, which she then asked me what I thought of and I responded that it was a little short on content, could perhaps do more to sell the company, but generally seemed appropriate and anyway in this field there is a danger of content going out of date. The interviewer actually then ticked something on her pad and scribbled a little comment, looked up and realised I'd caught her testing me and we shared a little smile which I'm pretty sure secured me the job.

  66. Legal Agreements ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you please provide all the legal agreements (non-compete, transfer of patents, etc.) that I'm expected to sign? Are you authorized to sign an agreement that these are the only agreements I'm expected to sign over the next 12 months?

    I cannot leave my current position without seeing these first.

    Will this company keep my DOD security clearance current?
    Will this company reimburse costs to retain my current certifications?

  67. My favorite question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is what is the first thing you would change about your job?

    I've received some illuminating answers to that. I've never avoided a job because of it, but in hindsight, I should have. The last job I had, I asked during the lunch portion of an all-day interview just to get a chance to chew my food. I should have take a cue from the length of time they griped. Two years later, one person quit and the rest were laid off.

  68. Interviews by ledow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, I'm actually damn good at interviews. This is blowing my own trumpet, but it's true. I've beaten people vastly more qualified, more experienced and less demanding in salary because I can hold my own in an interview. In fact, I change jobs rather than mess about with the internal politics of pay-rises, even in credit crunches. It makes life more interesting.

    I have *never* asked a question at the end of an interview. I've always said "No, I think you've covered everything I need to know" because, by then, they HAVE, or I've done my research already. Asking a smarty-pants question is likely to lose you respect too.

    "What is the (official) dress code?"

    You're looking at it. You're probably wearing it. You're talking to people who are wearing it. It's pretty irrelevant anyway, because if you're required to wear anything different (e.g. uniform, stricter dress because you're dealing with public etc.) then they will TELL you that or you will already know. And what are you going to do? Say "Oh, no... I couldn't wear that" and forgo the job? And 99.9% of places are the same anyway - smart or smart/casual unless you're public-facing.

    "What about my resume caught your eye?"

    A good question. For your first month of working. In the interview, it's just too long-winded to explain and they might well be reluctant to discuss details of their hiring process.

    "What hardware/software am I expected to use at my desktop (e-mail, OS, editor, source control, etc.)?"

    You'll have been told by the job description. You should also have been shown round the place by then, even if it's just "and this is our coding floor". Personally, I usually insist on pre-interview tours if it's at all possible but most places have done this for me automatically - why would you ever want to take a job at somewhere you've never even SEEN the inside of? I gain the most information by seeing where I'm supposed to work and walking through the building to get to it - H&S violations (Cramped working conditions, no fire extinguishers, etc.)? Spotted them. Employees slacking off/arguing? Spotted them. People wasting time in boring meetings? Spotted them. The person I'm replacing? Probably sitting at the same desk or be the one showing me around.

    Plus, the people in interview might not want to get into those sort of details because it will take too long. They just want to get on through their candidates and start deciding. Also, by asking, it's like you're questioning their choice. You're being paid to do the job, you have to damn well learn whatever software they want anyway. All this question does is provoke a feeling that you won't be happy/productive if it's not your "favourite".

    "Are there team lunches or get-togethers?"

    AKA "I want to socialise, waste time, claim that I'm team-building". If you want a team lunch, you'll have one. If you don't then you won't. This is nothing to do with the job unless it's pushed "from above" but you can't tell people how to eat their lunch and you wouldn't want to work anywhere that did. It's probably the "best" of your questions, though.

    "What are your goals for the next six months, one year, three years?"

    Brilliant question. For THEM to ask YOU. You're basically questioning their dedication / long-term plans in a roundabout way. They will raise eyebrows at this question.

    "What ticket/issue tracking system do you use?"

    See above about software/hardware.

    "Do you have separate build/stage/QA/etc. environments?"

    You will know this by the end of the interview/tour or you haven't done your research properly. It probably tells you in the job description. If they say no, you're implying that you know or work better. If they say yes, you're making yourself look an idiot by not knowing that.

    "How do you keep track of documentation?"

    See hardware/software question and the above. If they say "we don't", you should already know that and will come across as superior. If they say, we use

    1. Re:Interviews by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      AKA "I want to socialise, waste time, claim that I'm team-building". If you want a team lunch, you'll have one.

      AKA do the people here eat luch together or go back to their desks?

      "Do you have separate build/stage/QA/etc. environments?" You will know this by the end of the interview/tour or you haven't done your research properly. It probably tells you in the job description.

      I have never seen this in a job description. It certainly wouldn't have let on that my current job spends absurd amounts of effort building and tearing down dev environments.

      "How do you keep track of documentation?" See hardware/software question and the above. If they say "we don't", you should already know that and will come across as superior. If they say, we use X, it feels like you're questioning their choice.

      This doesn't make sense; if they say "we don't", run away, and if they give you an answer (almost any will do) then that's a good thing.

      Too many people are afraid to shut up and just say things like "Well, I think I've already answered that with my answer to X",

      Becuase that's a red flag over here. You'd better be at least somewhat interested in what you'll be doing 40 hours/week for years on end.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    2. Re:Interviews by ledow · · Score: 1

      Fair comments on your first three but the last implies that you DON'T know the answers, aren't coming across as interested etc... my point is that you should shouldn't be wasting their time reciting previous answers.

      I had an interview for a job, about nine months ago (I started to dislike my previous job, and applied for another while there in order to make the gap seamless - I was offered a raise not to leave). They had a list of (I think) 23 projects that they wanted to do. By the time we were through number 11, they had provoked enough of my background story for them to ALREADY know whether I could handle the other projects. I was literally saying, "Um, yes, I think we've covered that" about eight or nine times and they were saying it for the remainder. It's called selling yourself, but not over-selling yourself. I could have waffled on for ten minutes about the projects but it would have been a waste of all our time. After the list of projects, they had some more questions. We skipped about half. At the end, we both asked each other if they were any more questions. Nope. They saw who I was, I knew what I was walking into, we were happy.

      Yes, I got the job (by miles, according to the recruitment agent they hired to find candidates, the big boss, and the other person in the interview - not bad considering I pushed back a ton of more experienced candidates at the last minute)... I'm still in it.

      Any employer who honestly believes you're interested in the job because you asked a random question at the end of it, really needs to stop being in the interviews. Questions do come from enthusiasm, but if they are enthusiastic, they will already have known all the answers long before that last 30 seconds of the interview.

      P.S. When I witness it myself, it often reminds me of those people that you get on certain projects - where they are out of their depth, not contributing much and feel that they should - so they bring up "issues", which everyone knows are a non-factor but that you then have to spend hours discussing round in circles to make them feel important. I'm sure I'm not the only person in the world to feel like that when I hear a question at the end of an interview.

  69. The thing about "what is your salary requirements" by coryking · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason most companies ask isn't to stiff you, but to make sure you aren't expecting way more then what they are budgeted for. They don't want to get to negotiations and find out that you were expecting $150k a year when they only had a budget for $90k. If the company is worth its salt, they probably also want to know that you aren't asking for $45k and the market rate is $90k--after all, what is wrong with you at those low prices?

    The trick to not pigeon holing yourself is to give them a ballpark. That is all they need--you to put them at ease that they aren't gonna get sticker shock when they hire you.

    Give yourself a range of like $20k or so. Make sure that you span the range so that what you really want is somewhere in the lower end of the quote. For example, if you want $90k, make it $85->$100k. Just make sure that the low end is really and truly the absolute minimum you'd accept and the upper bound isn't a huge stretch for your skills and the market rate.

    They ask "what is your salary requirements?" You reply "I was hoping for market rate, so ballpark about $80k -> 100k. Obviously that number might be more or less depending on things like my position, hours, benefits. Sound about right?". Now you still have a lot of negotiating power and they don't have to worry that when they want to hire you and need to negotiate salary you aren't gonna ask for $150k.

    I once interviewed for a non-profit who asked what my salary requirements were and I said "about $70->$90k" and he immediately shot back "unfortunately we are budgeted for around $55k". With that, we both knew this wasn't gonna work so we didn't bother wasting more time.

    That is my strategy. Your mileage may vary.

  70. Make a Bluff Check... by ScooterB · · Score: 1

    Before you answer their questions, you should roll a D20 and add your Bluff score and ask them what their passive insight score is. If they don't understand your question, you don't want to work there...

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    EOT
  71. All I need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your secretary is cute and has a nice ass too.

    Can I sodomize her?

    1. Re:All I need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "him" and the answer is: he's willing if you are.

  72. Find out if the company is viable by ralf1 · · Score: 1

    I know most of the readership here are coders and the like, and so a lot of the questions are from that perspective, but since so many of us interview with pre-IPO or venture capital funded companies its important to find out if the company is doing well or has a future, especially if you are looking at stock options as part of your compensation (or as a lottery ticket...) I found this blog entry useful.- http://www.mint.com/blog/how-to/guy-kawasaki-startup-tips/ You may not want to go into this level of detail but it gives you a sense of the kinds of questions that are fair game. These may not be first interview questions (as commented elsewhere first interviews are just to make the short list), however its reasonable for you to inquire about a private company's finances if you are throwing your lot in with them.

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    "Would you, could you, with a goat?" Dr Seuss
  73. Freeware publication and licenses by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    "What open source packages do employees here contribute to or publish?" If a workplace uses Linux, or the Free Software Foundation toolchain of gcc, make, tar, and gzip, and their employee agreement is as restrictive as what I've had to renew or sign during my career, they need serious editing to allow me to publish my patches to open source or free software. I always write that in and get it counter-signed as part of my hiring process. That allows me to get fixes published upstream so I don't have to re-patch them.

    "When do you update software?" If they say "we don't fix what isn't broken", I worry. You can waste hundreds of man-hours backporting features to old operating systems or old toolkits, and that work doesn't actually improve the next round of products: it wastes your efforts in ways that do not get you bonuses or advance your career. (Admittedly, my career now includes an incredible amount of this sort of thing, but that's because I'm old and considered expert in the older technologies.)

    "What build system do you use?" Every single workplace that I've seen that built their own from scratch, usually by some brilliant developer frustrated with build systems they never fully understood, spent hundreds or thousands of man-hours on learning it and using it, only to see it fall apart as the developer ran into the same problems "make" and "autoconf" solved more than a decade ago.

  74. I've used this to great success. by clintp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is good to ask during a 1-on-1 interview, or when the interviewers are nearly peers. (i.e. bad to ask when the CEO and some flunky are in the room)

    "What do you like least about working here?"

    It's a good judge of character of the person interviewing you. I usually deflect answers that involve "commuting" or something external and re-ask the question. The answers tend to fall into three categories. 1. Bullshit/uninformed ("nothing! I love it here!") 2. What the boss/policy wants them to say ("we care about our customers *too much*!") or 3. Honesty.

    People like talking about themselves, their opinions, and their likes and dislikes and will do it for hours. It's far easier to get them to open up about what's right (or wrong) with the company when you start with their gripes. Make the question about them and make them feel informed and important. At least it gives you some leverage in follow-up questions.

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    And for the record, at my current job I answer this as "That it feels slow to get software to market. Testing and management approval can seemingly take forever, but I realize it's a deliberate effort to maintain quality." It's honest and a personal gripe of mine.

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    Get off my lawn.
    1. Re:I've used this to great success. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I do this, too. I have very little patience for bullshit questions during the interview process, which is not to say that they're necessarily dealbreakers. I answer them all as honestly as I can, and write them down. When it comes my turn to ask questions, in addition to any others I have that I'd like to ask, I ask back every BS question I got. Dodges or bullshit answers are when the dealbreakers happen for me. Good for the goose and all.

      A lot of times, it's lousy interviewers who don't really know how to get at the info they need to make a decision. Sometimes, it's just a blunt manager. They tend to answer my return fire pretty much just as bluntly, and I find I can actually get along with those guys pretty well, even if I wouldn't necessarily want to have a beer with them.

  75. Can I take a look around? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Sometimes you can see if an organisation is a giant WTF in progress or a relatively well run place just by looking around. I've found this especially important for technical jobs that require equipment, and you can get an idea of how employees are valued by seeing their work conditions. It also shows the interviewers that you are taking the application seriously if you ask to see where you would be working and what gear you will be using.

  76. "Dangerous" questions by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like: "What's the staff turnover rate like? How about in the dept I'd be joining?"

    Yes, though personally I tend to be more direct than euphemistic: "How many people have left the company/department in the past year? Why did they leave?"

    The thing about "dangerous" questions like these, and asking about realistic working hours, and asking about IP clauses in the contract, is that good employers will usually be more than happy to have chance to explain why they're not like the bad employers. Most will enthusiastically tell you that they have low staff turnover. In terms of copyrights, particularly at the young companies looking for good people, I've had a senior interviewer tell me immediately that he himself had got the contract adjusted to clarify that, and it certainly wouldn't be a problem. For working hours, I've had a much wider range of answers, but usually pretty honest.

    I have never, to my knowledge, missed out on an offer that I would have accepted because I asked such questions. I may have lost at least two offers, but in both cases I already knew I wouldn't accept anyway after evasive or outright damning answers to the working hours question, so the question served its purpose.

    Clearly YMMV, particularly if you're desperate for a job or if you're happy working for corporate behemoths that tend to have less flexibility in their contracts (and whose HR people may black flag anyone who asks too many questions).

    The other thing I always like to ask, though it's probably best to leave it until after the first interview, is to see a sample of their code and documentation. Just as they can tell a lot about me from my solution to a coding problem, so I can tell a lot about them by seeing what kind of code they actually write. I have never been refused this request, though most places ask you to wait until the next visit, so it might be worth mentioning it in advance if you're going back for a second interview and know it's likely to be the last one.

    My experience is that once you're past any HR goons and you're dealing with techie folks you might actually be working with, good people will be quite enthusiastic to show you something they consider good code and happy to accommodate your request. It puts them on familiar territory, and makes for a more interesting (and memorable) interview for them than the other ten they've done this week. As a convenient side effect, as well as giving you chance to see their code, it also gives them a chance to show off and creates an atmosphere of fellowship and professional respect--a good discussion about their code can make them start to think of you as one of them before you've even left the interview.

    Again, I'm not aware that I've ever missed out on an offer I would have accepted because of asking this question, though again there have been a couple of places whose offers I would probably have turned down if I'd received them after seeing the sort of code I'd be working with.

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    1. Re:"Dangerous" questions by happyemoticon · · Score: 1

      I always ask about realistic working hours, and I've never had someone balk at the question. Everyone wants to believe that they're a good and decent person, and managers don't want to think of themselves as slave drivers. If you ran a shop where people regularly put in 12-hour days, what would you say? "I make my employees work like dogs because I think they're human waste," or "We work long hours here, but we're at the cutting-edge, do interesting work and a have a great culture?" And plus, they'd hardly want someone to sign on who wasn't prepared to work the hours and then have to go through the hiring process again.

    2. Re:"Dangerous" questions by lupis42 · · Score: 1

      And plus, they'd hardly want someone to sign on who wasn't prepared to work the hours and then have to go through the hiring process again.

      You're absolutely right.

      Many people seem to be approaching this from an adversarial standpoint, which strikes me as nonsensical. If you start with the idea that you and the company are opposed, and you're goal is to get the job by hook or by crook, you're pursuing the kind of attitude that will make the job you take less pleasant. Your goal is to determine that the job is something you will be content doing, in an environment you'll be happy in, and for pay/benefits that are worth it to you. The interviewer's goal is to make sure that you'll be able to do the job well, work well with other team members as needed, and generally be worth more to the company than the pay/benefits that they would pay you. The only place where your interests really contrast with theirs is in determining the size of your compensation..

    3. Re:"Dangerous" questions by bmimatt · · Score: 1

      From my experience both good people and slave drivers will say something along the lines of: "we work hard and play hard, sometimes we leave early and sometimes we stay after hours".  There is nothing tangible in such an answer.  The first part is a cliche by now and both instances of the second part's 'sometimes' could have such a broad meaning that you know as much after hearing the answer as you did before asking.  Do you press the subject or move on at this point?  Pressing could mean you are lazy in certain situations.  It could also mean you demand concrete answers, which could (theoretically) make you look good when discussing a position with certain management positions with a higher responsibility level.  I think there is no cookie-cutter answer to interviewing questions, there are multiple factors that will dictate best strategy and the overall negotiation position you should assume.  I personally find it most rewarding to play off of the people on the other side of the table and always ask them directly about what kind problems do they expect me to solve on daily/ongoing basis.  I also like to ask about the challenges I am expected to solve that were most problematic to my predecessors.  Answers to these questions may be quite revealing and can shed some bright light at reality of the position they are trying to fill.  Their answers could easily be a deal maker or breaker for me, personally.

  77. Negotiate The IP, ND, NC agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and it also pays to try to preserve your future job prospects. Ask for a copy of any non-compete, non-disclosure, intellectual-property agreements you will be asked to sign. These should be negotiated before the job is offered and/or accepted and before you have moved to a new location. If you wish to preserve the ability to start a company in a field you know which is not related to the job, you may want to exclude it from the agreements. I exclude whole fields. Once a company gave me a reasonable agreement during the interview process and then said they sent the wrong one and asked me to sign a unreasonable agreement two weeks into a job. I brought it to a lawyer, and he said it made him nervous. So I refused to sign it and left the job. This is a business transaction. You must stand up for your business interests.

    If you don't ask for what you want, you will be an anonymous coward forever.

    1. Re:Negotiate The IP, ND, NC agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VERY BAD ADVICE:

      Ask for a copy of any non-compete, non-disclosure, intellectual-property agreements you will be asked to sign. These should be negotiated before the job is offered

      As a hiring manager, I would end (and have ended) interviews that the candidate had so little sense as to do this. It's a sign of rudeness and immaturity.

      The interview isn't a negotiation.

      If you feel that IP, ND, and NC are HUGE issues, you bring them up in a non-confrontational setting, possibly with the HR rep as you get down the path of the hiring process.

      The interview is a chance to put your best foot forward. If your best foot shows you're at best a problem child, and quite possibly a dick, you need to be shown the door, because you have poor judgment.

      No. The best way to handle any "agreements" is to handle them in the "agreement" phase (i.e. the negotiations) of the hiring process, NOT the interview process. Remember, for every one job, there may be hundreds of applicants. You need to treasure every opportunity, and remember that you are not in a huge bargaining position in the early phases of the game.

      Here's how you do it: Put your best foot forward, trying to get an offer. Quite often, the offer will be made verbally. At that point, you ask, preferably in writing, for all of the details of the offer, detailing the offer, any benefits, and any limitations /restrictions. When you get the offer in writing, you confirm that this is everything, including any benefits and restrictions. And then you decide whether you want to counter-propose something (to eliminate some restrictions).

      If you can't live with the IP restrictions, then say that, and be willing to counter-offer ("how about I take $1000 less per year, and you remove this restriction".)

      If you're not willing to negotiate (give a little), well, you get what you get..., because many prospective employees ARE willing to sign these agreements.

      Maybe you'll get lucky, and they won't present you with any limitations. Then when you start, if, on the first day, the HR rep presents you with some "surprise agreements", you can choose to sign them (and potentially break the agreements, with the defense that they were signed under duress), or you can confront the HR rep and just say "I'm sorry, these weren't part of my terms of employment as specified in the offer letter. Can you check with your legal department as to how they want to handle it?" It's VERY likely that the forms will get shoved in a file, unsigned, and forgotten.

  78. Ask one difficult question by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    After listening carefully to their presentation during the interview, ask one but no more than one "difficult" question, something where they'll have a hard time accommodating you if they're not set up that way. Some questions include:

    1. Will you put me in an office instead of a cube?

    Remember, you'll be spending a significant part of your life here. You should have a comfortable working environment which matches your individual needs and wants. Offices generally cost the company about $2000-$3000 more per year. If you push them for an extra $3000 salary, 90% of companies will agree but if you push them to alter the office environment 90% won't. The point of this question is to see how accommodating they are. Will these people pay attention to your unique goals and desires as an individual? Or are you a cog in the machine that fills out a form to replace your broken office chair with the another of the standard crappy office chair?

    The "office" question is particularly good in this respect because it cuts to the heart of the "do you respect your employees as individuals?" question. Too many companies use them as a status symbol instead of a productivity booster.

    Milder questions in the same vein include:

    2. I have my own [chair/computer keyboard/mini fridge]. Is it alright if I bring it in and use it?

    3. I have particular brands pens and pencils I use as a matter of personal preference. Will you reimburse me if I buy them from Office Depot or am I expected to use only the office supplies the company provides?

    4. After I've been here a few months and fully integrated with the rest of the team, are you willing to consider having me telecommute for part of the week?

    5. How flexible are your work hours? Can I come in at 10:30/leave at 3:30 in order to avoid rush hour traffic?

    Take care to ask only one of these questions. You don't want to present yourself as difficult and needy. You just want to get a measure of their willingness to interact with you as an individual. Also, try to avoid the ones that they've already hinted are no-no's within their company. If they're already said that the hours are 9 to 5, M-F, don't ask about flex hours and telecommuting.

    One last thing: on-site consulting for the Government where you work for a private company but in an government-provided office environment at a site manned by government employees is just about the worst job in the world. Your co-workers are often some of the nicest people you'll meet, but you are a cog in the machine and there is absolutely nothing you or they can do about it. If you must work on site for the government, do it as a direct government employee. They're still insanely rule-bound, but at least then the rules work in your favor.

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    1. Re:Ask one difficult question by shayne321 · · Score: 1

      After listening carefully to their presentation during the interview, ask one but no more than one "difficult" question, something where they'll have a hard time accommodating you if they're not set up that way. Some questions include:

      I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with a couple of these...

       

      1. Will you put me in an office instead of a cube?

      For most jobs and companies this question will only signal that you're pompus, pretentious, and demanding. Smaller companies are going to have extremely limited office space, and will have their own criteria for how it is allocated. Larger companies will generally have plenty of office space, but will have draconian policies on how it is allocated. If you're being interviewed as a junior developer and your team's senior developers are in cubes, you WILL be put in a cube. Even *if* you find a company that's willing to be accommodating, how it is going to look to your peers (even superiors) who are in cubes that you demand and receive an office?

       

      2. I have my own [chair/computer keyboard/mini fridge]. Is it alright if I bring it in and use it?

      Again, I think this is pretty demanding for an interview question.. Save it for after you've completed 30 days on the job and find you simply cannot tolerate the company provided chair/keyboard/fridge. In many offices which have generator/UPS power those utilities must be sized based on the predicted load of the building, so personal fridges, fans, heaters, etc will be banned for this purpose, or by fire/safety regulations. Lastly, even if they do let you bring in your $1000 aeron keep in mind that if you are asked to leave unexpectedly (laid off or fired) you may not be allowed to collect your chair/keyboard/etc and take it with you.

       

      3. I have particular brands pens and pencils I use as a matter of personal preference. Will you reimburse me if I buy them from Office Depot or am I expected to use only the office supplies the company provides?

      Ok, this is asinine. How much is a box of good pens? $10? You're going to quibble in an interview for a position that pays $75k - $100k a year over a $10 box of pens?!?! I would tell the interviewee to promptly get stuffed.

       

      4. After I've been here a few months and fully integrated with the rest of the team, are you willing to consider having me telecommute for part of the week?

      5. How flexible are your work hours? Can I come in at 10:30/leave at 3:30 in order to avoid rush hour traffic?

      Valid questions, but again, save them until you have completed your first 30 days. Work the schedule your manager dictates for the first 30 days then ask for accommodations.. This gives you time to prove yourself as a team player, and gets you a lot of face time with your peers while you're new and people are forming their first impressions about you. Being the guy who comes in at noon, leaves at 8pm, and telecommutes 3 days a week generally isn't going to win you many friends, unless that's a common scenario for the company, in which case you would have been informed that anyway.

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    2. Re:Ask one difficult question by coryking · · Score: 1

      Actually

      You're going to quibble in an interview for a position that pays $75k - $100k a year over a $10 box of pens?!?! I

      Even the smallest company should at least provide you with basic stuff like pens, notebooks and post-its. One of the worst jobs I've had was at a place that didn't even have a supply of pens. If they can't keep pens, it means they are incredibly cheap and probably have much larger organizational issues than just a lack of office supplies.

      However, if you are the GP and are asking to be re-imbursed for pens because their supply of pens suck (in your opinion), wow. Now you are the one being cheap.

    3. Re:Ask one difficult question by stm2 · · Score: 1

      if you are asked to leave unexpectedly (laid off or fired) you may not be allowed to collect your chair/keyboard/etc and take it with you.

      While I agree with most of your comment I don't understand why do you think that a worker can't take this property after being laid off:

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    4. Re:Ask one difficult question by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      1. Will you put me in an office instead of a cube?

      For most jobs and companies this question will only signal that you're pompus, pretentious, and demanding. Smaller companies are going to have extremely limited office space, and will have their own criteria for how it is allocated.

      9 times out of 10 you're absolutely right. The tenth time, you've found a gem of a place to work.

      If your major job search goal is to become employed or maximize your salary, don't ask this question.

      If your goal is to find a better, more satisfying job then you should push the prospective employer just a little bit and see how he responds. If he isn't accommodating when it's still easy for you to walk away, it won't get any better after you're hired and can't quickly walk away without making a hash of your job history.

      2. I have my own [chair/computer keyboard/mini fridge]. Is it alright if I bring it in and use it?

      Again, I think this is pretty demanding for an interview question.

      If they won't allow you to bring in your own keyboard/monitor/chair, run away just as fast as you can. Companies that won't accommodate such a trivial request are the same places where often-senseless policy will define every moment of your day. And if it's a $120k position, how worried should I really be about the remote possibility of them stealing my $1k Aeron chair?

      As for results, here's how things have worked out for me in the last 5 job searches:

      5. Temp position. Took as-is on the basis that I would walk away in 3 months if I didn't like it.

      4. Asked the flexible schedule question. Was lied to. Job was rule-bound and very disappointing.

      3. Asked the flexible schedule question. Got a Yes. Terrific job; loved it.

      2. Asked the office question. Got a flat no. Accepted the position anyway since the pay was great and it seemed such a perfect fit for my skills. Worst job I've ever had. They kept throwing up insurmountable policy barriers to actually doing the work they hired me for.

      1. Asked the office question. Got a meeting with the company's president. No office but he offered my pick of the available cubes and okayed rearranging the furniture to my taste. In other words, although he didn't offer what I asked for, he made a reasonable attempt to be accommodating. It's one of the best jobs I've had. I'm very happy there.

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    5. Re:Ask one difficult question by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      You're going to quibble in an interview for a position that pays $75k - $100k a year over a $10 box of pens?!?!

      No. For one thing, $100k isn't enough to pique my interest any more. But even when it was, I'm not going to quibble. I'm going to invite the employer to quibble over a $10 box of pens. It's a weed-out question. The answer I'm looking for is: It's a creative, professional position. We don't care if you use a feather quill if it helps you get the job done.

      If the answer is, "no, we really don't do that" I'm certainly not going to argue about it. The question has served its purpose: it has outed an employer that for all its claims of treating its employees well actually treats them like automatons.

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    6. Re:Ask one difficult question by shayne321 · · Score: 1

      While I agree with most of your comment I don't understand why do you think that a worker can't take this property after being laid off:

      I actually posted that response from experience. I was laid off from a large financial services company in April. While no one physically prevented me from leaving with my belongings, I left in a highly pissed-off state and left behind my personal keyboard, trackball, and other miscellaneous property. Totally my fault, but I was just pointing out that you may not always leave a position by your own choice, and the circumstances of your departure might not always be amicable. And if the situation is REALLY bad, you might show up to work one day to find the door padlocked, and all of your personal effects inside.

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    7. Re:Ask one difficult question by kelnos · · Score: 1

      Lastly, even if they do let you bring in your $1000 aeron keep in mind that if you are asked to leave unexpectedly (laid off or fired) you may not be allowed to collect your chair/keyboard/etc and take it with you.

      Really? Is that legal?

      I agree with your other points for the most part (the pencil/pens question does indeed sound asinine), but I think each of these questions has to be looked at under the lens of, "would the answer to this question affect whether or not I'd accept an offer to work here?"

      If you have severe back problems, for example, you might not accept an offer for a job that won't let you bring in your own chair. If you live somewhere where rush hour traffic means a 60 minute commute, but off-peak means 20 minutes, you may not be willing to work a job where they will require that you arrive and leave at such times when you'll always hit rush hour.

      Regardless, even if these questions are considered acceptable, I don't think any of them are for the first interview. I'd say wait to ask these after presented with an offer. At that point they can also be used as negotiating points. Either you can give a little in salary to get what you want, or ask for extra salary as compensation for having to spend an extra 80 minutes in traffic every day.

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    8. Re:Ask one difficult question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, as much as I love having my own office, the places where I've worked where I've had them were not the sort of places that valued their employees. The last such place in particular was a hell-hole that I put up with for a lot longer than I should have just because it was so nice to have an office (no windows, though), particularly when I was bicycling since I could stash my bike there and my sweaty biking clothes behind the door. I don't think the offices were the root of the problem, but the isolation caused by them certainly aggravated the poisonous atmosphere of that place. (It even instituted bring-your-dog-to-work days, which is nice in concept, except that some of the dogs invited were overly aggressive and roamed the halls in uncontrolled packs. (No, I'm not joking or exaggerating.)) I suppose that made being able to close the door a personal safety feature not available in cubicles... However, after we parted ways, their lease expired (the main reason for the offices: in their heyday they packed 4 people into many of those tiny rooms) and they moved to a fancy high-rise with cubicles, with the benefit of employees being able to use the parking structure instead of paying for parking at the stadium on nights with hockey games--if you value your life little enough to risk walking twice through the neighborhood where junkies routinely stab each other or whoever happens to be handy. (Out of doors, mind you: none of that furtive criminality.) I'm quite happy now in my large cubicle, and it's a drought so the rumored pesky leaking roof hasn't been a problem. The best places I've worked turned out to have crap furniture, but we all got a along and had challenging and fun work (and in one case, really great salaries) and were in neighborhoods perfectly safe at 3am after a long night hacking code (because, some days, that's just what I want to do).

  79. There is also the imporatant things to NOT say by Talinom · · Score: 3, Informative

    MSN Careers has an article titled You Said What?! - 43 Things Actually Said in Job Interviews.

    Yeah, everyone can be stupid in an interview. Learn and laugh from their mistakes so you don't make one.

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  80. Comp Time by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    If you're salaried ask if and how they do comp time. If it's "between you and your manager" assume this means "No, we don't do comp time." If on the other hand they have a semi-official policy it is good to know up front and figure this into the whole salary/vacation/benefits equation when deciding how to negotiate a salary.

    Likewise, find out what the typical layoff behavior is, but NOT in the interview. Find someone on the inside (or and expat) through your network and find out the details of of the equations (weeks per year of service, minimum package, any help with COBRA, etc). You can really get hosed if you move your family to an area with few comparable employers and this one tanks.

    Ask what their approval process is for buying tools/software/hardware, and what their current status on those is. Will you have any signing authority for buying technical books for example, or will those have to be pre-approved. I spent over a year lobbying varying levels of management to get the right software to do my job (on top of 2 previous years of lobbying by my coworkers), and then spend 9 more gut wrenching months suffering through the approval process, including writing many justification emails, as well as having to explain the justification emails to every manager up through the VP. Meanwhile I had to beg and plead with the rep to keep the original quote price so the process would not have to be reset.

    Depending on your type of job, find out what the theifdoms are like inside. In my case PCB layout turned out to be a surprisingly ugly theifdom, and has been for at least 20-30 years. You can discretely ask about these by asking about the product life cycle and at every step asking who does that, what is the documentation like, what the review process is like, and how long that step typically takes. I missed asking about the time cycle on PCB layout, and boy howdy is it bad (3-4 week queue time, 3-6 week layout time for stuff I could do myself in 1-2 weeks if they would allow me to).

    1. Re:Comp Time by kimvette · · Score: 0

      "No, we don't do comp time."

      Translation: "We violate labor laws and expect you to like it. You'll be working 65 hours per week and paid for only 40. If you actually use your vacation time that will be taken into consideration at your annual performance review."

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  81. After a long creepy stare, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you press charges?

  82. Cultural differences by pestie · · Score: 1

    I was surprised at how much your response here differed from many others, but then I got to the end of your post and saw you used the term "sticky tape." It made me wonder if you were British. Your home page link goes to a .uk site, so I'm guessing you probably are. Don't you think there's a good chance that there are significant differences in business culture between the UK and the US/North America?

    1. Re:Cultural differences by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 1

      maybe they're just as parochial as we are... nah.

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    2. Re:Cultural differences by ledow · · Score: 1

      Not really. We have become much more "Americanised" in the last few decades. In fact, every single business concept ever present in the US has come to Britain eventually - a lot of places aspire to be "just like a US company" (because, obviously, that means they'll be succesful... :-P ). If we differ, it's in slight ways only... it's not like trying to do business in Japan/China where the culture is *vastly* different.

      I'll ask a couple of my US-living-in-UK friends and see what they think but I'm pretty sure they'd agree with me.

    3. Re:Cultural differences by barzok · · Score: 1

      In fact, every single business concept ever present in the US has come to Britain eventually - a lot of places aspire to be "just like a US company" (because, obviously, that means they'll be succesful... :-P )

      But you guys gave us ITIL.

  83. Don't ask questions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the responses it seems many people are suggesting questions, not because they are actually interested in the answers, but because they reason "If I ask this, it will seem as if I'm very interested in the job etc.". This is a bad strategy. Only ask questions that you are actually interested in the answer, and if the question makes sense. If you ask something that doesn't make sense to ask on its own, the interviewer will, at least subconsciously, try to find an explanation why you would ask that, which may put you in a bad light. In the best case, they will simply suspect you are trying to suck up. At the worst they may completely misunderstand your intentions.

    Case in point: If you simply - out of the blue - ask about what tools they use for this or that (version control etc.), you may seem as someone who cares more about the tools than about actually getting the work done. You could also come across as inflexible ("Wouldn't a smart employee figure he could adapt to any version control tool that we are using?") or as someone who is religious about these things and wants everything done his/her way.

    What I would do, and what I have always done, is to try to get into an actual conversation (i.e. unprepared questions/answers) with the person I'm talking to. A prepared list of questions may come across as unnatural because you don't give the question the final twist needed depending on the situation (i.e. whom you are talking to, what has already been said etc.). Also, it may seem immature or as if you're insecure. It's better to simply go unprepared and jump into the conversation. If there's any specific things you want to know, then try to get it naturally into that conversation. Asking too many questions may also seem as if you're very demanding about your job.

    What employers want are flexible, adaptable people who care about solving the actual problems and who is easy to come along with. If you must ask questions, only ask questions about the job function you are going to do. For instance: "What projects will I be working on initially in case I'm hired?" etc.

    1. Re:Don't ask questions! by JesterJosh · · Score: 1

      Why can't we enter into a carefully constructed conversation and get those answers that we want while leaving the interviewer unsuspecting? I would advise against going into anything "unprepared". Also, since when did being "demanding" about my job go from a feather in my cap to a black eye? Employers wanting flexible, adaptable people who are easy to get along with is how we got into the situation of employing managers that are nothing more that adult babysitters.

  84. Yes I would. by coryking · · Score: 1

    If we are a .NET shop, you are using a Windows Box with Visual Studio--if you wanted Emacs on Cygwin, you aren't gonna be happy here. If we are a unix shop, you can use whatever the hell you want for an editor (vi, UltraEdit via Samba, notepad) but you will run whatever unix flavor we use for your sandbox (FreeBSD, Redhat, Gentoo, whatever)--if you wanted Ubuntu, sorry Charley. If we develop applications for an iPhone? You have a Mac and its associated toolchain. If you were a graphic designer, you'd be using Photoshop + InDesign--if you want GIMP, you aren't gonna be happy here.

    If you are picky about your email client or your spreadsheet app--you are a prima donna that will piss off my employees and make unreasonable demands on us. Open Office has nothing to do with development unless you write plugins for it. The only time you should care what email client you use is if you were a secretary. The only time you should care what word processor you use is when you are doing documentation. The only time a spreadsheet app matters is if you are a sales dude or a financial dude.

    Choose your battles. But really, if you expect to run PINE and we are doing .NET work, you probably don't wouldn't like working here just as much as we probably wouldn't like you working here. But to pass up an otherwise good job because of an email client is, well, pretty immature.

    1. Re:Yes I would. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I literally ask the question, "What software would I be using on my work computer?" and you reject me?

      Note that no pickiness is implied. All the games that the original poster talked about happen internally. All that is asked is a simple, straightforward question about what software gets used at your place of business.

      You'd reject someone for that simple, basic question? Again, what an asshole!

    2. Re:Yes I would. by kelnos · · Score: 1

      I suppose it depends on the shop, but that seems a little extreme. Simply being curious about the development environment in use sounds pretty benign. Any company that wouldn't hire me because I asked... well, I don't think I'd want to work for them anyway.

      Perhaps I've never worked at a highly-organised company, but I'm surprised by how strict you seem to be with dev environments. Here we work on an embedded Linux product, and we all run whatever flavor of Linux on our dev boxes that we're comfortable with, as long as it runs the toolchain and build tools properly. We use whatever editor we want.

      I'm a bit confused about your supposed strictness about .NET, though. If someone wants to come in and write C# apps using Emacs, what's the big deal? Personally I find MS Visual Studio to have a pretty terrible text editor; I'm much more productive using Vim. As long as I don't screw up code style/formatting for anyone else, why wouldn't I be allowed to code in a different editor? As long as I build using the standard MSVS tools and everything works fine, what's the big deal?

      The original poster you replied to seemed pretty reasonable... I'm not sure why you think he's "pulling a stunt." Where I work now, I have a Windows laptop that I use for exactly two things: Outlook and a proprietary bug tracker that uses ActiveX controls. It's a pain in the ass, and it pisses me off. Would I have declined the job based on this? No, probably not, but I can certainly understand that some people might, or that some people would want to know these details and consider them as part of the larger decision. Any employer who has a problem with that line of thinking can frankly stuff it, in my opinion.

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  85. Ask for a tour by lisany · · Score: 1

    Ask for a tour of the office if it's appropriate. Obviously if it's a place where security clearance is required they'll tell you to sod off. However if it's possible ask for a tour of the office or where you'll be working - ask where you'd be sitting.

  86. Right by coryking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    design software-development organisations

    That does indeed change things but you are still in dangerous water without clarifying yourself. If you asked those questions and didn't follow up with keywords like "productivity", "morale", and "TCO" then you are still a prima donna or worse, a religious zealot.

    Letting people choose their own email client and develpoment platform might be okay, but it really depends on the organization. If you are hired to grow a development team, you better be well versed in the tradeoffs between "every gets outlook" and "lasse faire--anybody runs anything". At your level, you are hired to make the business more competitive. You better make it perfectly clear you aren't some zealot who will be hellbent on turning us into the next FSF regardless of the business justification. Once you've turned off my "zealot alert" radar, then you can ask these kinds of questions.

  87. Is there shower ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there shower?

    Noooo? Are you so seriously against cyclists?
    Sorry, but I can not afford to attend such a company.

  88. Microsoft by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 1

    If it's a software vendor, there's one question: "What's your Microsoft plan?" Though for some spaces, it might better be phrased "What's your Apple plan?"

    They capture 30% of whatever market they enter -- by bundling with other agreements, by marketing more effectively, occasionally even by making a product that people want. Add in pressure to expand into new markets so you can show growth to Wall Street, and it's obvious that sooner or later there's going to be an 800 lb gorilla in the cage with you.

    Potential responses:
    1) "They're not interested in this space." Either the employer's got their head in the sand, or they're right... and there's not enough money there for long term viability.
    2) "We've already faced that threat and won, and we're doing some innovative things to stay ahead." This is good.
    3) "I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you." They could be right, and you're going to be working in a very strange environment... or they could just be paranoid loonies, and you're going to be working in a very strange environment.

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  89. Lifehacker by Kadoo · · Score: 1

    Here is a good resource for this kind of stuff:
    http://lifehacker.com/tag/career/

  90. this may seem odd... by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but definitely ask how long the position is intended to exist. Sometimes instead of going with a contractor like Tek Systems for a 1 year project, they just hire someone. But since everyone finds out that it's a temporary spot, they stop telling people so they can finally get one hired. Then to make sure you get the job, if they say it's only for the duration of a large project, say that's fine and they'll be shocked and lean towards hiring you. Then do such a good job that at the end of the project, they don't want to lose you and either increase their staff budget or fire someone else.

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  91. How can I be the perfect "corporate tool"? by rocker_wannabe · · Score: 1

    The questions you need to ask are along the lines of: "How did your incredible company come up with such an awesome product that will change the universe and make lots of money at the same time?". Even if they say otherwise, managers and HR people love the smell of bullshit. No one ever got fired for being too much of a flatterer.

    The next thing you need to do is pledge not let your life or conscience stop you from giving 120% to the company. Then explain how your in-depth experience allows you to make whatever your manager expects become a reality. You are a team player that always keeps the interest of the company foremost in your mind. You would go to sleep at night thinking about how to make (substitute name of company) a worldwide success.

    Don't forget to add that you can do all this for half the cost of someone in Bangladesh.

    If you follow my advice you too can live a life of well-paid stress and frustration. If you find that your soul can't handle corporate life then numb it with alcohol and/or drugs to avoid having to deal with the bigger issues in life, like why you're here and what is your purpose.

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  92. I wouldn't ask that by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of these are questions I would never ask in an interview.

    "What desktop hardware/software will I be using?" could be interpreted as "I'm a hardware bigot and will whine if I don't have a huge display and four white-hot cores." or "I don't touch Winders. I plan to reimage my PC with Mepis and I refuse to use any email client except Mulberry". Unless you want to show proficiency in a particular tool -- "Lotus notes? Yes, I've got several years' experience" -- I'd leave the topic alone. Your desktop is whatever it is. You'll get used to it.

    "Are there team get-togethers?" == "I expect us to spend time screwing off under the guise of 'team building'. How close is the nearest bar?"

    "What are the typical hours?" == "I am concerned about working too hard."

    "What is your goal for the next etc" is a question directed at the interviewee, not the interviewer.

    I would say "I expect to be on-call" as an opening for the interviewer to describe the on-call process.

    I would know ahead of time what the company's stock has been doing, (if publicly traded) and be prepared to ask reasonable questions about the company business. My job doesn't end at my cube doorway -- it's important to understand the big picture.

    I ask about education benefits, because I want to keep on top of my game, and I want prospective employers to know that.

    Questions about the environment -- promotion process, product and documentation lifecycle, -- are fine, but don't get too militant about it if the boss doesn't think these things are important. There will be time for that battle after you're hired.

    Find out if there are any tools or systems with which you are not familiar, and then express eagerness to learn them.

    If there's a part of the process that's in disarray, (documentation, for instance) and you get signals that the boss would like to see improvement in this area, express eagerness to help straighten it out, and come up with a few suggestions.

    I ask if it's ok if I eat at my desk. This isn't as arse-kissing as it sounds. I worked for one place that forbade eating at one's desk due to ant infestation.

    In general, I try to avoid questions that might raise a red flag about how well I might fit in, or which might be considered concern on my part about how much effort I will be making. I am adaptable -- I've had ASCII terminals, X-terms, Windows, Sun and SGI workstations in front of me, and a variety of tools, some really obscure. It matters less what my work environment actually is than that it match the rest of the team.

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    1. Re:I wouldn't ask that by JesterJosh · · Score: 1

      Yes, lets not ask meaningful questions that could impact my decision to work here before I begin working because I might not get that job that I might not want to begin with. Are you the same guy who doesn't inquire of his lover about her (or his, whatever floats your boat and raises your mast) past in regards to STDs? Or do you just ask her (or him) if it's ok to eat in bed?

    2. Re:I wouldn't ask that by hibiki_r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many times you need those questions, unless you have good references about the company to begin with. Without them, you might find yourself in an unhealthy environment that might even make it hard to find another job without quitting first. I've seen places that went for 70 hour weeks for well over half of any given year. I've seen programmers stuck on ancient tools that would make the job not just an ugly chore for anyone used to semi-recent technology, but would also mean that any time spent there would not be useful experience. I've seen on call procedures where people were on call 80% of the time, and received multiple calls a week between 2 am and 6 am.

      Nobody wants to give a two weeks notice on a job to learn, in the second they on the new job, that it's not going to work out. There's things in a work environment nobody should put up with: Shouldn't we do some screening to make sure we don't spend even a minute of our time in such an employer?

    3. Re:I wouldn't ask that by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      "What desktop hardware/software will I be using?" could be interpreted as "I'm a hardware bigot and will whine if I don't have a huge display and four white-hot cores."

      It can also mean "will I get someone's castoff crap and be expected to deal?". What bugs me here is why demanding huge displays is a bad thing - dual 22" costs about $500 and lasts 3-5 years. Finally, it's perfectly reasonable to run away from lotus notes.

      "Are there team get-togethers?" == "I expect us to spend time screwing off under the guise of 'team building'. How close is the nearest bar?"

      How about me wanting to actually know my coworkers as something other than the GUI guy or whatever?

      "What are the typical hours?" == "I am concerned about working too hard."

      Is this a 9-5 shop, 11-7, freeform whackadoodle? The actual hours worked have little to do with how hard you work.

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    4. Re:I wouldn't ask that by planetoid · · Score: 1

      Well it all works out in the end -- if a company ignores my qualifications and drops the idea of hiring me just for asking simple questions like these, chances are that isn't a company I want to be working for in the first place.

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  93. How much will I get paid? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    This is the most important question to ask any corprat. They only think in terms of filthy lucre and by that you can measure the depth of them. Money is not the root of all evil lust for money is.

    Your second question is "Do I get free M&Ms?"

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  94. Great question to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would you do for a klondike bar?
    Throws the person off, and makes you look like you have a sense of humor

  95. Nope, you should ask that by coryking · · Score: 1

    I always like to ask what version control they use... as long as they use something instead of shrugging, life should be okay.

    In the end, I guess it just depends. If you asked "what software would I be using" and you were going into a C# job, you'd look like a complete fool. I think you can get pretty detailed with "what software will I use" if you are going for any place that does unix development--if you are doing PHP, Perl or Python it really doesn't matter if everybody uses the same editor (personally, I use a Windows box, ultraedit and samba because I like mice :-). If they say "we all use emacs", I either better bone up on emacs or move on. If they say "we all SSH into the production server and mess with the live site", I run :-) In fact, I think with unix stuff you *better* ask what kind of toolage you will be provided with and if they would be willing to fork over to pay for "real" editors that help you work better.

    My key point is that you shouldn't look like a prima-donna or zealot. Asking what kind of software is in use is fine within the context of the job you are applying for. Asking to use visual studio in a Ruby shop is stupid. Asking to use vim in a C# shop is equally stupid. Asking if you can use Thunderbird instead of Outlook makes you look like an amateur.

    1. Re:Nope, you should ask that by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      If you asked "what software would I be using" and you were going into a C# job, you'd look like a complete fool

      Really. This after telling us you always ask about source control. Where I am (not a C# shop), we use eclipse, source insight, beyond compare, p4, and msdev. Compiling is done with a make script. How would asking about tools make someone looke like a fool here?

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    2. Re:Nope, you should ask that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your point is that you shouldn't look like a prima-donna then maybe you should have actually said that, instead of going on a completely unrelated rant about how you reject any job applicant with the temerity to ask you what kind of software you use on your computers.

    3. Re:Nope, you should ask that by dcam · · Score: 1

      I always like to ask what version control they use... as long as they use something instead of shrugging, life should be okay.

      May you be condemned to work with source safe.

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    4. Re:Nope, you should ask that by barzok · · Score: 1

      I always like to ask what version control they use... as long as they use something instead of shrugging, life should be okay.

      I was hired into my present job in part because the answer to that question was a shrug. One of the bullet points on my resume was a Visual SourceSafe implementation I'd done at my previous employer (we were a Windows shop, it was 1999, we didn't know how bad it was for 4 or 5 years), and my current employer was looking to get some version control in place.

      And no, I did not use VSS again.

  96. Depends on the Position by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But you are interviewing them as much as they're interviewing you. Carry a notebook with you, write down some questions in advance so you don't forget prior to the interview. And note down the answers after you ask. I find that with recent IT jobs I have to ask what I'll actually be doing on the job since every job posting these days is really too vague to have a clear idea. Also ask to see the area you'll be working in and if it's possible to meet the team you'll be working with.

    For IT, keep an eye out for some telltale warning signs. Lots of Dilberts hanging on a cube wall are a telltale clue that people there aren't entirely happy with their jobs, and the cartoons can be an important clue into what exactly is not functioning well within the company. Also ask just before you leave or prior to the start of the interview to use the bathroom. The state of the bathroom is another good sign of how the company treats its employees, and you're going to have to use that thing during the after-lunch rush hour and such. If it's like someone slaughtered a goat in there, you might want to consider giving them a miss.

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  97. How do I detect PHBs? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    How do I ask if my day-to-day work will be directed by someone who not only doesn't understand what I am to do, but also feels that this lack makes him a better person?

    I don't need someone who can do my job, just understand my needs and explanations. I have seen cases where "professional managers" were in charge of stuff they didn't comprehend. It doesn't have to be this way. My last boss was a salesman by trade but when he didn't understand, he would ask. Then he would remember the answers.

    I just want to avoid ending up like Dilbert...

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    1. Re:How do I detect PHBs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One sign: if you don't actually interview with all of the bosses, particularly if people joke about it. "Ha ha," they laughed, "Howard's on vacation so you won't have to interview with him!" (Howard turned out to smell very bad and also actively tried to prevent vacations and successfully prevented any necessary training.) But, you can't always tell: one place they just lied about who I'd be reporting too, which I found out on the first day when I saw that they'd just hired my real boss and the rest of the team. It was kind of a sink-or-swim situation, with the lying hiring boss actually the PHB laughing and jabbing us with a pitchfork.

  98. How have you implemented Agile by justfred · · Score: 1

    It should be obvious from the walk-around/interview if and how the company is using Lean or Agile or similar team-based short-term development cycles. Drill down.

    "How is it working out for you?" Seems like most Agile implementations have problems, more so as they're getting started and learning the system.

    If they aren't, "Have you considered/are you planning to try Agile". There's a lot of pain that goes along with that transition.

    Compare their answers to how you personally feel about these methods.

  99. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by sukotto · · Score: 1

    Salary is only one part of your whole package which includes things like: health/dental, 401k matching, paid time off, pre-tax transit plans, expensing education/tools/books, and anything else you can think of that they might be willing to do for you.

    It's best to have an idea of what your minimum vs desired vs "omg I want in this company right now!" levels are for ALL these things (not just salary).

    When it comes time to negotiate, do your best to discuss each item paired as a set. If they want you to move on one, agree if they also move on a different one in your set.

    eg. You want 90k but they say they can only offer you 85k (which happens to be your minimum). If you can pair that against something else you want you can respond by saying you can accept 85k if they're willing to give you an extra week of vacation time or pay for you to attend 2 conferences per year, or whatever.

    Preparation is key here. You have to know what you want for every benefit you care about and what range you're willing to accept. Then it becomes something of a puzzle game. You and the company are each trying to find a set of benefits such that you are both willing to sign a contract of work.

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  100. From out of left field by aleclee · · Score: 1

    "In what way does this company most resemble Dilbert?"

    It's been my favorite question for over a decade for several reasons:

    • It's not one that the interviewer is prepared for (though I suppose I've given that one away sharing it here)
    • The interviewer's expression when asked the question is very telling
    • It's a polite way of forcing the interviewer to be critical of his company

    I once had an interviewer (the guy who'd be my boss) tell me that he didn't read Dilbert. I failed to recognize that red flag and took the job. Needless to say, it didn't turn out so well.

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  101. What's a typical day like? by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    What do they anticipate a typical day will be like? Get a feel for the pace of work and how often things go haywire. Figure out what their expectations are for you - run around with hair on fire or work at a calm pace on known goals and projects....

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  102. The most important question: by lxrslh · · Score: 1

    How will you measure my performance and inform me of your evaluation?

  103. What I always ask? by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    As a software developer:

    Why is the position available/open?

    Who would be my supervisor?
    * I did once have a position where the supervisor was out sick, but it required a followup interview. In general though, if you haven't been introduced to them during an interview, your prospects at getting the position are probably 0.

    How many software projects do you have going?

    How is project management done?
    *This is really the kicker. If they have no system or fail to provide salient details like scheduled times, do not depend on the position being long term (more than 6 months), regardless of what they claim. At best the company is unstable, with an inability to manage expectations.

    How is bug tracking done?
    * You don't want to hear "you'll be doing the bug tracking"; see: "How is project management done?" as this is part of PM. This can potentially teach you something helpful regardless of if you get the position. I have heard many different methodologies and have seen the resulting products.

    Why do you use language/framework/API X for project/product Y?
    * It's not always necessary to ask this, but I sometimes do if the reasoning might educate me. This can potentially teach you something helpful regardless of if you get the position.

    Has the company ever paid to train employees via a formal or recognized training organization?
    * This catches people off guard and often causes them to ask you to rephrase or repeat the question. It may also sour the interview. However, this will tell you if you can expect to get free training. This type of perk is just rare nowadays. A followup of "can I request time off to do pay for and attend my own training" will almost always result in "yes" but will never actually be approved to occur.

    Where do employees usually go to eat?
    * This can affect your paycheck. A cheap cafeteria is a godsend. A botique cafe can be a burden.

    What dress code will I need to follow?
    * I never phrase it this way, but this is the question you should always ask.

    Dress code is something I have a strong opinion about due to my personality and experiences. I hate ties but not slacks and button down shirts for example. Personally, I have long since stopped appearing for interviews in a suit and tie unless specifically asked at which point I generally wear jeans and a button down long sleeve striped semi-casual shirt or polo shirt and belt, as that is universally the attire of my expertise. If I am at a "traditional company" (a turn of phrase I have heard) interview, the question about my attire does not always come up without me asking. In the few cases that I have been asked about my attire, I respond that I have been asked to do everything from pull cable through overheads and between floors to physically unpack and setup servers to wireframe UIs and develop database schemas. I am not always sure of the nature of the position I am applying for or what the condition of the facility might be. I have been asked if I can do all these things during interviews for similar positions. This is my attire that is conservative and flexible enough to do them all, which seems appropriate to me. Wearing a suit has been beneficial for 2 interviews and soured 2 that I know of. If a company is that hung up on attire, it's a bad sign anyway. How an applicant dresses is a comparatively trivial thing to change.

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  104. If your supervisor is female by kurt555gs · · Score: 1, Funny

    Spit or swallow?

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    1. Re:If your supervisor is female by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Do women ejaculate enough for that to be important?

  105. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I once interviewed for a non-profit who asked what my salary requirements were and I said "about $70->$90k" and he immediately shot back "unfortunately we are budgeted for around $55k". With that, we both knew this wasn't gonna work so we didn't bother wasting more time.

    That is an excellent example of a successful first interview, and one that a job hunter should be prepared for. A good follow-up would be

    "Okay, then, I see we don't have a match on this position, but we do have a few minutes remaining for this interview. Are you aware of any positions that are available either with your institution or through your associations with colleagues in other institutions that match my resume and salary requirements?" That is, be prepared for the interview to terminate early because of an obvious bad fit, and be ready to try to turn it into a networking opportunity. The best outcome would be the interviewer saying that "You might try the Foo Foundation. John Smith-- a fellow in their HR Dept-- and I collaborated on designing this job announcement and a similar one that Foo is about publish. You can use my name in your cover letter and ask John to give me a call. If you give me permission to do so, I can tell him that we interviewed you and might have hired you if we had a larger budget to work with."

    The chances of this kind of thing happening are pretty small. But they are zero-- nothing, nada, zip-- if you aren't prepared to shift a dead-ended interview into a networking opportunity.

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  106. Drill Them by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    One thing prospective employees need to really get a handle on is the financial status of the firm. Even a profitable firm may intend to plow back money into expansion or research making raises and advancement really hard to come by for any employees. Being a super star in a company that is going down the drain can be a really lousy experience.

  107. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    I'd side with the GP on this one. We ask every candidate their desired salary at the interview, and we do use the response to rule out many candidates. Sometimes, it is our loss, but in general we do it because we can afford to pay $X assuming the person will help us to generate $3X in additional revenue. In the end, the whole package forms the costs, but knowing where someone's mindset is helps a great deal. We hired someone at 30% over their asking salary to make sure he knew just how important he was to us as a strategic hire. Inexperienced people (especially right now) we often low-ball to keep our flexibility.

    It really comes down to if you are dealing with a dick that only cares about "winning" a negotiation, or someone with a legitimate business issue to resolve.

  108. World of difference by dbcad7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ahhh,, the European vs US standards.. unfortunately there is no law on vacation days here in the US.. Legal holidays yes,.. We are a strange people, we work more hours, and get less benefits that we now have to pay extra for.. When a union tries to fight to keep their better medical coverage, that their workers are lucky enough not to have to contribute to (Like the way it used to be) The average person looks at it backwards and thinks "bad union worker, why should they not have to pay".. instead of "my employer is bad, why should I have to pay."... And many of these same people.. These people who get the crappy benefits that cost them.. well they just want to keep things the way they are.. Healthcare system reform.. what are you crazy ? .. it's just fine.. Many don't remember.. but back in the eighties it was the norm NOT to have to contribute to your health plan and I wish I could get that kind of coverage now, but even the most expensive plan that most places offer, don't touch what I had, and have high deductibles to boot.. our system is broken... and people will fight to keep getting screwed over.. go figure.

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    1. Re:World of difference by uncqual · · Score: 1

      Many don't remember.. but back in the eighties it was the norm NOT to have to contribute to your health plan and I wish I could get that kind of coverage now, but even the most expensive plan that most places offer, don't touch what I had, and have high deductibles to boot.. our system is broken...

      True... but your health care plan of the 80's wouldn't have paid for things like PET scans, many MRIs, Monoclonal Antibodies for cancer therapy, proton beam radiotherapy or many other expensive things that the plans that require employee contributions do cover. Of course, that's because these expensive medical treatments were either completely unavailable or so limited in supply as to limit access.

      Application of expensive medical technology has increased dramatically in the past 30 years - we can argue if all of it (such as the proton beam example or the number of MRIs done) are cost effective or even helpful, but patients rarely reject them (esp. things like MRIs that have no long term side effects). It's not surprising that as the array of expensive services expected and demanded by patients has risen that workers might end up picking up more of the bill.

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    2. Re:World of difference by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the medical advances in extortion and fraud are almost as amazing as some of the diagnostic tools and pharmaceuticals that have been developed.

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  109. You must have limited experience by marcus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in interviewing or being interviewed.

    Your expression "the interview" reveals this.

    Most non-entry level positions are filled by a process involving multiple interviews of multiple candidates over a period of days or weeks, often involving a pool or team of interviewers and a set of candidates that have made it past the initial filters. One of those filters being "the interview" that you have experienced.

    Those candidates that pass the initial filters get further probing, meet more of the current staff, and eventually this results in offers for some and opportunities for them to counter.

    There's no way a company making an offer is putting you "on the spot". When they do make an offer, the opportunity to ask the questions you so value becomes available. They say we offer $$$. They also offer XXX PTO, such and such working hours, etc. All of this is part of their offer package and subject to discussion and negotiation from the moment the offer is made until an agreement is reached, not before.

    If such questions are so important to you that you must have the answers upfront, just send an email to the HR department before you send in your resume. Doing so will save both of us a lot of time and trouble.

    --
    Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
    - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
    1. Re:You must have limited experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This still doesn't answer my basic question: why does the company get to ask me anything it wants on any subject immediately, but I have to wait until I've committed a great deal of time and effort in the process before I get to ask the stuff I care about?

      When I've had interviews, I've been asked repeatedly how much money I wanted for the position, before, during, and after the actual technical interview stuff. And yet I'm to believe that if I ask a similar question of them, this says something terrible about me and will disqualify me for the job? This makes no sense.

    2. Re:You must have limited experience by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      The interviewers may be interviewing dozens of people over a short period. They do not have the time (nor inclination) to be interviewed by all the prospective candidates. Due to the nature of many of the positions I have interviewed for one of the big ticket items I look for in a candidate is flexibility and adaptability. Not flexibility as in making them work stupid hours, flexibility as in them being able to perform on tasks that they may not have a lot of exposure to. If a candidate wants an extensive list of questions answered before they even get to the interview then I view them as a) someone who has absolutely no appreciation for what happens in the workplace i.e. they do not understand that the interviewers don't have time to answer lengthy questionairres and b) chances are they are highly inflexible. Both of these will count heavily against the candidate. Having said that, I am extremely open and honest in the interview itself as it is wasting everyones time if I lie or cover up anything. Once the first interview has taken place the candidate has shown that they are actually interested in the position and have given it consideration so I am more than happy to respond to any further questions they have from that point on.

      It is odd that you were asked repeatedly about your pay expectations, usually the only people who will discuss that are HR and your line manager who has to look after his / her budget. General ballpark expectations are usually covered off upon first contact whenever I have looked for a job, and I have had positions where I have been haggling over details right up until contract sign date. You should already have an idea of what you are expecting before you hit the interview. I generally give a range of expectations with "as a baseline I am expecting $x, if I will be mentoring junior devs I expect $x + $y and if hours are non standard I expect $x + $z. Anyone half decent will have some idea of what they are worth on the market, it only takes a quick look through the online job ads to figure it out. Unfortunately it takes experience to be able to put a reasonably accurate number to y and z.

    3. Re:You must have limited experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it was HR who was asking about pay expectations, before and after, and also during one session in the middle of the interview. And it's to HR that I would direct these other questions. I sense that a lot of the confusion comes from not making it explicit that you'd ask HR these things, rather than the interviewer. I just took it as granted that you ask each question of the appropriate person, not whoever you happened to find sitting in front of you at that particular moment.

      I have no idea why you think that asking about benefits, dress code, etc. in advance is an indication of inflexibility. Perhaps you are insane?

    4. Re:You must have limited experience by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      I have no idea why you think that asking about benefits, dress code, etc. in advance is an indication of inflexibility. Perhaps you are insane?

      Look at it from an interviewers perspective. What would you make of a candidate who has dress code high on their priority list? When looking for work myself I generally don't bother asking about dress code until after an offer is made, it is the least of my concerns. Benefits is another matter altogether and ties in with pay negotiations so I see no problem in bringing that up with HR early (and if anything totally agree that at least at a base level both candidate and employer should be in the same ballpark pay wise before interviewing begins otherwise they are wasting each others time).

    5. Re:You must have limited experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A candidate who has dress code high on their priority list probably detests wearing anything resembling a suit, and feels that being forced to waste significant unpaid time each day figuring out how to tie a half windsor when no customer will ever lay eyes upon me is unacceptable, likewise being forced to spend significant amounts of their own money on expensive clothes and dry cleaning for same.

      I suppose this makes me somewhat inflexible when it comes to what I wear.

      On the other hand, you will find that this inflexibility absolutely does not translate across to the computer domain at all. I know many different languages and systems and will step up to get the job done, even if the job suddenly becomes something unrelated to computers, like, "Get a backhoe operator here within an hour!"

      If you're going to reject me just because I don't want to wear suits, when you aren't going to require them anyway, well, that's pretty silly. (If you do require suits, your rejection is entirely, ahem, suitable, since that's a dealbreaker for me anyway, so I can hardly complain about that.)

    6. Re:You must have limited experience by 7+digits · · Score: 1

      I rejected candidates for asking stupid questions. While dress code isn't a stupid question, I never had potential hire ask about it, because I always addressed that when talking about the workplace.

      Nevertheless, I've rejected people because they asked 3 questions about the work council, which, in the country I live, is the source of quite a few perks (you'll get discounted vacation, free theater tickets, etc, if you work in a big company that have a nice and powerful work council).

      But, in an interview, when given the chance to ask questions, if you ask more about what the company can do to you than what you expect to have to do for the company, it raises a red flag.

      So, if you ask about the dress code, no problem.

      But, if you spend 3 minutes ranting that you will never put a tie, I will suspect that you're inflexibility is going to be an issue in the workplace. Also, I know that I will never be able to send you to a customer site. I will also infer that you probably disregard authority and management.

      Unless your technical credential and experience are valuable enough to me that I can take the risk of adding a diva to the team, I will probably avoid hiring you.

      I can understand your point of view, though. You probably think that you don't want to work for someone dumb enough to reject a qualified applicant for such a fuzzy reason as ranting about the dress code.

    7. Re:You must have limited experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why anybody in this thread can't just take a simple question as a simple question. I'm talking about asking about the dress code, not going on a big rant about it. You're just making shit up when you talk about spending "3 minutes ranting that you will never put on a tie". How about you address what I talk about instead of some fantasy imaginings occurring solely within your head?

    8. Re:You must have limited experience by 7+digits · · Score: 1

      You are reading challenged, aren't you ?

      I said "So, if you ask about the dress code, no problem."

      Then I added "But, if you spend 3 minutes ranting [...]"

      Note the use of the word "if".

      That is called a conditional, not "making shit up".

      You see, either A or B. A conditional. And I added that "if", because, in the parent post, you ranted about "being forced to waste significant unpaid time each day [wearing a tie]".

      The more I read your answers to that thread, the more it looks like you have a serious communication/understanding issues. I hope for you it doesn't show too much in interviews.

    9. Re:You must have limited experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Context, man! I keep being told that interviewers reject candidates for asking innocent questions. When pressed, the story changes: asking innocent questions is fine (surprise!) but going on massive irrelevant rants is not. Well, nobody was talking about massive irrelevant rants, and there's no reason to bring it up.

  110. 11 questions by Rinisari · · Score: 1

    From binarybadass.com:

    What is the corporate culture like?
    What metrics will I be evaluated on? How objective are those metrics? To what granularity will they be tracked?
    How does the promotion process work? Is it a transparent process?
    Who ultimately makes the decision to promote or not to promote?
    How does a performance review work?
    What will my day-to-day be like? Will it consist of project-based work or will it just be break/fix and putting out fires?
    Will I be the only person performing this job function or will I be working with a team of people in the same physical location as me?
    If I am not happy with what I am doing, can I easily change my job position/scope?
    How much travel is involved?
    What do you like about working here? (This is addressed to your interviewer.)
    What do you dislike about working here? (This is addressed to your interviewer.)

    What recompense or time off is afforded for professional development? Will you pay a portion of my tuition if I choose to attend classes while in your employ? Must the classes I take be related to my job? Will you pay professional organization dues and/or journal subscriptions (even an office subscription)?

  111. Not what you ask, but who by PPH · · Score: 1

    I've been to a few interviews (as a contractor, not an employee) where some issue came up that I felt would be better answered by other than the 'hiring' organization. Granted, this might be a problem if that company maintains strict control over vendor communications. But as a potential employee, it shouldn't be as difficult to speak to members of other organizations with whom you will eventually interface.

    My example: I was contacted to help a local utility develop a better configuration control process for their engineering product. During my preliminary contact, some remarks were made that led me to believe that their present process suffered from personality problems, not process problems. So I asked to speak with members of their construction department. It turned out that the atmosphere between them and engineering had been so badly polluted by a few blowhard assholes that they just ignored drawings and built what they thought was correct. This left engineering with the task of making major as-built revisions to their work. Not an easy thing to do when the crews didn't put up with engineers visiting substation job sites.

    As a result, I walked away from this contract offer. No amount of process improvement was going to fix a major culture problem. Had I not gotten a feel for the root cause of their problems before signing up, I could have ended up with one of those projects that goes on forever, over budget, with every customer changing their requirements as a proxy for screwing their opposition over.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  112. If I find something broken can I fix it? by schermo · · Score: 1

    If I find something broken can I fix it? Seems simple, but this may lead to surprising answers.

  113. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by coryking · · Score: 1

    eg. You want 90k but they say they can only offer you 85k (which happens to be your minimum)

    And that is why I suggested that you make sure what you really want is in the lower end of the quote. If they wanted to hire you and had a flexible budget, they know that if they offered you the bottom end of your ballpark they'd look cheap. They, like anybody, would most likely assume you wanted the middle of your quote and so they'd either offer you that or start inbetween the low end and the middle, in which case they are starting with what you really wanted. Either way, most likely you will find yourself negotiating upwards from what you wanted, not downwards toward what they wanted. The cute trick is since they probably assumed you wanted the middle, they will think they are negotiating downwards, but really they are going upwards.

    If they started at the very bottom of your ballpark either they are really cheap or more likely they really want you bad, but you are a stretch for their budget (like if they were a non-profit). In that case, you can probably wiggle tons of "freebies" out of them like faster accumulation of vacation time, free bus passes, etc... stuff that doesn't really cost them anything but at least makes it feel like they aren't being cheap. If they really are being cheap, then maybe you are better off not taking up the offer. Only you can make that decision though.

    But yes, salary isn't everything. For me, I always insist on getting a free bus pass. You can probably get them to budge on other things too like bumping when your vacation starts accumulating or when you are eligible for healthcare--unless there is a ton of bureaucracy these are cheap giveaways for them that are pretty sweet for you.

    One more thing. The grandparent of this post is completely wrong when he said (emphasis mine):

    If they persist you can say "I'll consider any reasonable offer." If they are really persistent you can say "You are in a much better position to know how much I'm worth to you than I am."

    This is a very, very bad thing to say. You are the only one who is in a position to know what you are worth! You should be keenly aware of what your regions going rate is for your skillset and it is entirely your responsibility to research it. If you do the homework on your own, odds are you will either overprice yourself or far more likely undervalue yourself.

    Keep in mind if the company is big enough, you can go to sites like glassdoor and find out what the average salary is for the company you are applying for. That way you can quote them a ballpark that is just slightly in a higher bracket then their average wage. If you can't find the average salary for the specific company, you can at least find the average for your region.

    Even if you are selling yourself as an employee, you are still running your own business--act like a businessman, not a doormat! Always know your market rate!

  114. Context is everything my friend by coryking · · Score: 1

    If you were going into your example, which I assume is a java shop then there are dozens of environments that you could be working in. In that case, ask away! If you are going into a .NET job, you are going to be using Visual Studio (unless I guess you are using Mono, in which case you would probably be curious and should ask).

    1. Re:Context is everything my friend by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Well of course you'll be using msdev. You'll also be using other stuff, like source control, bug trackers, and wikis. Sort of important, right?

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    2. Re:Context is everything my friend by coryking · · Score: 1

      Yeah. For source control as long as they use something I'll be okay--I always ask what they use for source controls. Bug trackers, eh... as long as they use one. Wikis? eh.. Those things dont really matter much to me. The important thing is they are using them, or growing up to the point where they realize they might need them. If they are a young company and say "we dont use version control, but we see the value in it", it could be an opportunity for you.

      It all depends. Version control is a good question though. The rest seems like idle chit-chat. Well, unless they said "we all use vim and you will too". I might have an issue with that.

      Choose your battles, I guess is the salient point here. Know what is important to you. If you never want to work for a place unless they use Trac for bugs and wikis, make sure to ask. I think you are rather silly, but more power to you!

    3. Re:Context is everything my friend by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      that's the idea - ask what they use and run away if too many come back as nothing. Source control is always a big deal - it's available for free, so there's no excuse to not use it. How else do you plan to coordinate more than 2 devs?

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  115. Bingo by coryking · · Score: 1

    or whether it's imposed from above/outside

    Like if the IT group refuses to give admin access to the developers own workstation.

    I see your point, but I still think you could have made it less of a flamefest for idiots like me by using something other than "what email client". The engineering folk really should use what the entire company uses for email. But freedom to support your own tools, etc... you are 100% correct. Developers, in a weird way, have some pretty "interesting" demands on the infrastructure that most other teams don't have*.

    * Except for the folks in facilities who have to run all the keycards and better, HVAC units. Those guys put equally perverse demands on the IT staff because a lot of their equipment runs weird software requiring creative network topologies or various holes through the firewall so they can turn on the chiller from home on a weekend rather then driving in and doing it onsite (double time + fee). Most facilities groups seem run their own rouge network because of the politics involved in dealing with IT.

    1. Re:Bingo by Javagator · · Score: 1
      I still think you could have made it less of a flamefest for idiots like me by using something other than "what email client".

      I Agree, this is a badly chosen example. I'm using Visual Studio in my current project, but I also have a couple of cygwin terminals up, and a few emacs windows up (VS has excellent emacs emulation, so I don't get confused). But trying to use an e-mail client other than the one the whole company uses (Outlook) not only for e-mail, but for scheduling meetings, etc., would just be insane. I would have to question the judgment of someone who made such a demand.

  116. Make sure to visit the restroom while you're there by Wansu · · Score: 1

    The condition of the restroom says alot about a company.

    --
    Wansu, th' chinese sailor
  117. One question by PPH · · Score: 1

    What's your Slashdot UID?

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  118. And that's why these questions are so "loaded" ... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Frankly, I always dreaded the end of the interview, when I get asked that "So, do you have any questions for ME?" part.

    People turn the whole process into such a "game", with the employer trying to glean some hidden meaning from every sentence the prospective hire speaks, and the interviewee trying to think of things to ask that will "impress" the employer, instead of just asking anything they'd *really* like to know.

    I've definitely had interviews where I really had NO questions worth asking, by the end of a lengthy interview (and tour of the facility). Maybe the interviewer wrote me off because I didn't ask some "magic questions" he was hoping to hear from me ... but I honestly felt like everything I cared to know was already answered satisfactorily. If I thought of anything else, I'd rather email or call them later to find out about it.

    Other times, I could tell I was interviewing with a highly technical person in the company, so I probably *did* want to know some details of how their environment was configured. That's not because of some "religious zealotry" ... but simply because as the grandparent poster said, it's informative to know if you're working for a company that embraces "open standards" and supports multiple platforms, or one that uses "closed" technologies, so by extension, is more "hostile" to alternate options. (EG. The small business I work for today is primarily a "Windows" shop, but my personal laptop is a Mac. Initially, the owners had some concern about introducing it to the network environment, and I wound up having to get their outside consultant to back me up, insisting it was "harmless", before they become comfortable with it. If I was working for a larger firm, or one that had web-based apps requiring Direct-X extensions or coded specifically for IE 6 or 7 or something, though, this sort of thing would have been useful to know in advance.)

  119. What happened to the Last guy? by mysidia · · Score: 1

    The person who used to have the job.

    Did he quit, get fired. Why?

    Is his dead carcass secretly hidden within a coffin inside the server room equipment closet?

  120. Fair enough by coryking · · Score: 1

    What bugs me here is why demanding huge displays is a bad thing - dual 22" costs about $500 and lasts 3-5 years.

    But you dont need to even ask this question during an interview. A far better, more subtle way to get a lot of these "what kinds of junk will I be using" is to ask for a "tour of the place, to see where I'd be working". As you walk around, you can note things like "do they have more than one monitor", "looks like they are all using ${email client}", or "the whiteboards are all empty".

    The actual hours worked have little to do with how hard you work.

    I've never done this, but you can probably deduce the answers to questions like these by asking something like "what is the turn around time for a project the size of ${size}". Basically, try to figure how how fast they think they crank things out. If they say "we usually try to get our devs to push out a ${big thing} in ${insane deadline}" you can probably assume it is a sweatshop.

  121. Main question I ask by br00tus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    First of all, this "ask the questions they'll like the best" thing to me is for the birds. I don't ask questions that will make them have second thoughts about me, but I ask questions to know if I'll be happy there. Usually I am interviewed by a number of people, maybe a manager I will ask the kind of things he might want to have asked, but from everyone else I am seeking information. Secondly, some questions how many hours do you work overtime, do you get the support you need and so on are easy to fudge so I ask questions which are not fudgeable.

    My main question is what is the structure of my team. How many people are doing the same job I do in my team. Is there a lead? Is there a manager? Who is the manager managing, just our group or others as well? I have enough experience that I don't want to be in a team which has a lead in it. When I have a manager who is not involved in day to day IT work that is ideal as he wants me to succeed. Leads always want to make sure you are not doing better than them as that is a threat to their position and job. On the other hand, doing a good job is something a manager wants you to do. If they say there is no lead I ask if anyone aside from my manager inside the team will be responsible for assigning me work and that sort of thing - digging out if there is some covert lead. I make sure this is straight with my manager.

  122. Not sure which policy I prefer by Gazzonyx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Better than where I work! Our policy is "no blood on the carpet".
    OTOH, your contract allows the beating of customers. They've both got their pros and cons, I guess.

    --

    If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.

    1. Re:Not sure which policy I prefer by dasherjan · · Score: 1

      You're violating the 1st and 2nd rules!

  123. I was interviewing for a perl job once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the guy asked me if I was part of the local Perl user group. I wasn't, nor was I expecting to be asked that question. I smoothed it over by saying I've heard of it, but just didn't have the time.

  124. Even in that case, there are important questions by Senjutsu · · Score: 1

    Are they the kind of shop that ponies up for Resharper licenses, or do they save hundreds of dollars avoiding that only to burn thousands in developer hours using VS's poor built-in re-factoring tools? If they're using subversion, do they pay for integration tools like Visual SVN? Do they primarily do unit testing via MSTest, NUnit, TestDriven.Net? Do they purchase and use third party controls, or would they rather roll their own? MSBuild or NAnt? NHibernate or Ibatis or Entity Framework or ADO.net?

    "C# Development" is not the monolithic thing you're making it out to be. There are many important tooling questions that "it's C# we uses Visual Studio lawls" doesn't even begin to address.

  125. Indeed by coryking · · Score: 1

    But realize your questions are not the tools in specific, but really "are these guys gonna whine when I want a $50 utility?". Asking about third party controls is a good question. Another one might be "what kinds of things do you have a site license for"--maybe they have a site license for Photoshop or something?

    Actually, I'm becoming pretty convinced that the kinds of questions you and some others on this thread suggest are pretty good ones. You just have to phrase them in a way that doesn't make it look like you are gonna be a pain in the ass--but that is just knowing how to phrase the question in a politically safe way.

  126. Perspective from both sides of the table... by multimediavt · · Score: 1

    What do you ask every new (prospective) employer?

    First of all, like any good applicant, you should tailor your questions to the information that was unavailable through the company's website, application posting or from the interview itself. Those questions should be based on things that matter to you and have, through your DIRECT experience, been lacking or of high quality in other jobs you have worked. Having a canned set of questions is like having a canned cover letter. They can be spotted immediately and do not reflect well upon the applicant. It shows they haven't done their homework or are just not paying attention. If you want this job and want to work for this company you had better show it in the interview by being focused, not only on the company, its products and services, its people, its benefits, etc., but on the job function you will perform and the personalities of the people in the room.

    When you're sitting in the interview room after they've finished grilling you, there's usually an opportunity to reciprocate. There will be some niche questions for specializations (sys admin, programming, PM, QA, etc.), but there are some generic ones that come to mind, such as: what is the (official) dress code?

    If you feel like you're being "grilled" then the situation is all kinds of wrong. Either the people interviewing you are not people you'll want to work for, or you are not the right fit for the job. In one of those cases the best thing to do is to excuse yourself from the interview. Don't let it drag out. It's uncomfortable for you and the interviewers. Be the bigger person and admit that this isn't going to work out and thank them for their time.

    An interview is not a court proceeding where the plaintiff and the defense get their turn in subsequent order. It should be a dialogue, not an inquisition. You should be asking relevant questions as they come up in your mind, or as the interviewers prompt you with their questions or hypothetical situations. You should not be a passive lump that only responds to stimuli. That is also an indicator of a poor candidate. Will there be tough questions in any job interview? Absolutely, but those questions are usually designed to gauge your response and how you handle yourself more than they are for the actual answer. If the folks on the other side of the table didn't think you had some idea of what the answer was to their toughest of questions, you wouldn't be interviewing.

    Finally, if you're worried about dress code then you're definitely in the wrong place and have not done your homework. That question should be asked BEFORE the interview, i.e., "Do I need to wear a suit to the interview?" If you have to dress like you're going before the Supreme Court for the interview then that's usually what the expected attire will be for daily operations. If the dress code isn't "business casual", or you are unclear what that means, then you are applying for the wrong job. In the modern business era, it is highly irregular for employees below the Director or Senior Manager level to be required to wear formal clothing during daily operations. There are exceptions to that rule, but that will come out when you do a little observation and digging of your own. For instance, Enterprise Rental Cars requires all their customer-facing employees to wear formal business attire (coat and tie). You can see that by just visiting any location. Financial companies are very similar. There are no real surprises there unless you're not paying attention.

  127. People skills? by way2trivial · · Score: 1
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  128. Ok, some more info... by multimediavt · · Score: 1

    I am reading through these responses and some have good generic questions in them, but a lot of them are questions you should be asking HR BEFORE you interview, i.e., how many people with children work for the company? Your interview team is not going to know that number. HR will.

    There were also a lot of common sense, "Duh!", questions in there, i.e., what sysadmins tools do you use?, what code versioning system do you use? If you don't know the specific questions to ask about the discipline or job environment you're applying for then you're in trouble. Maybe that just seems obvious to me?

    Finally, "Where's lunch?" is not a question I want to hear come out of a candidate's mouth, unless the interview has gone really well and it's lunch time. That's a "their time" question and is not relevant. A more generic question about benefits and the work environment would be prudent, i.e. "What facilities are available for employees' health and wellness?" That question will cover cafeterias, gyms, day care, etc. and won't make the interviewer think you're only applying for the job because there's a restaurant you like around the corner, or will be hanging out in the cafeteria all day instead of doing work. Of course, this might also be a pre-interview HR question.

  129. Re:And that's why these questions are so "loaded" by Adammil2000 · · Score: 1

    They ask this question to gauge your true interest in the job and company. The depth of your questions tells them how much you have thought about that role. Interested people do better long term because they are there for more than money. Also, there is a bit of ego involved and interviewers who like their organization want to hire people who feel the same way. It's a good sign when they ask you this, despite the stress you might feel. It can mean that they try hard to find the best people, not just fill seats. It also means the existing employees might have been through more scrutiny and could be better to work with because they like their jobs.

  130. Just the obvious question. by Minwee · · Score: 1

    "Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board with your penis?"

    Emplyees have got to have their standards.

  131. Questions for IT employees by dave562 · · Score: 1

    I always ask two questions. If the position is an already established position I will ask why it is vacant and why the previous employee left. You can learn a lot about the company you are going to work for based on the way that they answer that question. I also ask how senior management views IT's role in the organization. Specifically, are they simply a cost to be controlled, or does senior management view IT as a fundamental part of their business and are they willing to fund it accordingly? That question will let you know if you're going to be relegated to the wings of the organization and marginalized, or if you are going to have a seat at the table with everyone else when it comes time to make business decisions.

  132. I've used these... by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

    How many meetings do you have?
    This always gets a laugh, valuable when potential engineering hires usually seem quite dry. Meetings usually waste time, and their answer will give you a better idea of how much real work you can actually achieve.

    What's your relationship with academia?
    This question is good if you're interested in more researchy-work, or have grad school on the horizon (or in your past). Companies that associate with universities tend to do more serious research. If you plan to attend grad school, working for a company connected with academia will get you a letter of recommendation appearing much stronger to the professors who handle PhD admissions.

    Is there a dresscode?
    You'll probably know the answer to this beforehand, but some companies aren't so clear. The aeronautical engineering field is generally business-casual, but I've interviewed at two aero companies where anything goes. For some people, this can be a significant workplace comfort issue and indicative of overall work environment.

    How selective are you with tuition reimbursement?
    Most engineering companies will compensate you for taking courses at a nearby university (or online). Some companies only pay for courses related to your work, others will let you take courses in anything. It can be a nice perk to finally take that astronomy or life drawing course you couldn't squeeze in during undergrad.

  133. Better be cute to crowd me by ohmiccurmudgeon · · Score: 1

    You're already on the right track asking about their version control and QA, so generalize the questions a little and find out how they feel about quality. Most companies just want to ship product, that is, "quality may be king, but schedule is god". Run away from those companies because they won't survive long enough to make your stock options worth anything, and you'll spend your time cleaning up other people's messes.

    Ask them if they do agile-like things such as do they expect you to write unit tests. Ask if the developers write functional tests for each other (not pair programming -- I don't want you crowding me in my cubicle unless you're cute).

    Ask how much time they spend on bug fixing. General rule of thumb is that if they're spending more than 50% of the time on bug fixing, the organization is going to crater within two years. Ask if they have a separate support organization that does bug fixing, which is a company's favorite way of hiding the true cost of their bugs.

  134. You're right by marcus · · Score: 1

    It doesn't make any sense and if you note some of the other posts here, if a company asks those types of questions upfront, you probably don't want to work there. IOW, just as if you ask, if they ask it is a bad sign.

    Fundamentally anyone can ask you any question about any subject at any time. It's up to you to say "No, I won't answer that question" even(especially) in an interview. If they press on, your response, assuming that you still really do want to work there, should be something along the lines of "Are you making an offer? Are you offering carte blanche?"

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  135. Re:Details on benefits--I WOULD HAVE ASKED... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    The one place that I had offer me 1 week of ETO got a nicely worded "hell no", even though the offer was for 15k more than I was making at the time.

    For +$15K I would have asked if they allowed taking additional unpaid time off, not to exceed 2 additional weeks total over any 12 month period? A little imagination here might have resulted in a better deal for you overall.

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  136. Match salary expectations to expected tenure by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you expect to be in and gone in one year, ask for salary on the high end of the scale. If not, try to pick a range that won't see you the first to go at the first round of layoffs.

    Remember, some positions are hired on pure speculation - the BDM is "90% sure we're going to get this contract so we have to ramp up". This sort of position is a wee bit volatile, and far too common for comfort. You'll need a bit extra at the end to finance the next job hunt, so don't live too high in the meantime.

    Other questions: "What happened to my predecessor?" - If you have no "predecessor" then the job is a new opening. Follow that bit of data with "How is the job funded?" These are the sort of questions that can be hugely useful, as well as make a decent impression. If you don't like the answers, back out with a smile - if the job isn't backed with a good business case, it's waste of everybody's time to proceed further.

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  137. As an interviewer.. by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

    Let me respond to the sample questions you re-posted:

    "What about my resume caught your eye?

    This is a good question to ask. It shows the interviewer that you are interested in the position, and want to know how your resume stacks up against others. But be careful asking a question like this - don't be too direct, or it will seem to your potential employer that you are "fishing" for positive feedback.

    What hardware/software am I expected to use at my desktop (e-mail, OS, editor, source control, etc.)?

    An immediate red flag if you asked this of a manager. Tools are tools, to a manager.

    While I'm an open source software advocate, even at work, asking a question like this can be very dangerous. Most hiring managers will wonder what kind of "zealous outrage" will follow if you're asked to run a Mac, and you're a Windows person. Or if you're asked to use CVS for version control, and you prefer SVN. (I've had to deal with these kinds of issues with staff previously, and it's not pleasant when you just need the work to get done, and have you do that work as part of a team.) If you don't have some kind of "religious" feeling towards one OS or one platform/tool, then don't ask this.

    Be careful asking this to a fellow engineer, if you do a 1-on-1 interview. It's more appropriate to ask of someone on your level, because you really are asking about the toolset, but just be careful how you phrase it (i.e. tone.)

    Are there team lunches or get-togethers?

    Not sure what this question is about. Are you looking for me to pay for your lunch once a week? Are you kidding me? (That's what a hiring manager will think/say if you ask this question.)

    What are your goals for the next six months, one year, three years?

    This is a very good question, because it shows you are interested not just in what the job is about, but what you need to get done. I would see this as a very positive sign.

    What ticket/issue tracking system do you use? Do you have separate build/stage/QA/etc. environments? How do you keep track of documentation?

    Again, if you ask this of a hiring manager - red flag! I'd start to wonder if you have a particular point of view you are going to try to "sell" me. For a mid-size to large company, the hiring manager may even be insulted that you question if they even have these things. Interestingly, a small company might be flattered you asked, and may be happy to describe it in detail. Generally, I'd steer clear of this question on a first interview.

    But as above, you can ask these to someone on your level, if they do a one-on-one interview with you (like, a follow-up interview.) Just be careful how you ask it.

    What are your full names (so I can Google them)?

    I'd immediately put a "no" next to your name if you asked me this. My full name? What does this guy plan to do? Who does he think he is?

    Rather, just make sure you got their names down correctly as they introduced themselves (maybe they even gave you a card) and remember to Google them later. But really, what do you think you'll find on Google? Unless the person's name is "Annaleigh Skymaker" or "Tyler Harkskiind" you aren't likely to come up with any useful hits. "Bob Baker" or "John Johnson" or "Kristin Jones" are pretty low-contrast names that will have lots of hits on Google, but have nothing to do with that person.

    What are the typical hours of the team members?

    Could be a good question, if you use the suggested phrasing. You're basically asking what are the work hours of the employees, and the answer will tell you how hard the company will push you. Just be careful about a lie for an answer. When I moved to my current employer, I asked a similar question. The Director (no longer here) gave me a total lie: "8:00 to 4:00". Yeah, right. Some people in the office

    1. Re:As an interviewer.. by Canberra+Bob · · Score: 1

      Your post pretty much sums it up nicely. An interview is a place for both sides to determine if the other is a fit. However it is NOT a place for the candidate to conduct their own rigorous interview of the interviewers. A candidate asking about working environments can come across OK if phrased correctly, however if worded incorrectly it may come across, as you suggest, that they are not willing to work on anything that doesn't fit their exact requirements i.e. highly inflexible.

      As for full names to Google... seriously WTF!?! Is this nutter going to try to hunt me down if I don't give them the job? On top of that, I generally do give my name when I enter an interview, it is up to the candidate to write it down. (If I am applying for a job and it is a panel interview I always have all the interviewers names at the top of my notepad with arrows pointing to who they are so I can ask questions directly). If I give my name at the beginning and they keep asking me for my name it shows they only listen to what they want to hear and ignore everything else

      Overall in the responses so far I can see why a lot of people struggle to get work and it has nothing to do with the economy. One of my favourite questions is "why do you think you are suitable for the position? / why should we hire you?" Too many candidates will answer exclusively on what they will be getting out of the job e.g. "this job will give me experience in this area" and totally ignore what they will be offering and why they would be a good choice (the question actually gives them an excellent opportunity to sell themselves for the position if they had bothered to do any prep). There is very much an attitude of me, me, me - totally forgetting that the interview process is to find the best candidate for the job, not the interviewer trying to find out if they can get little mr / miss interviewee's personal approval for their workplace.

  138. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    Many years ago, when I was using a recruiter, I once spent nearly a full day interviewing over two days only to find out at the end that their max salary was about 70% of my minimum. Because the recruiter screwed up, and didn't figure that out at the outset, I ended up wasting a hell of a lot my own time, as did the company I was interviewing at.

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  139. For programmers . . . by DaChesserCat · · Score: 1
    As a programmer, I have three questions I ask prospective employers:
    1. What revision control software are you using?
    2. What system do you use for tracking bugs?
    3. Are you familiar with Capability Maturity Model Integration (CMMI)? If so, what level certification have you achieved?

    If they respond to #1 with a blank stare or "huh?" I'd advise running for the door. If they are not using any kind of revision control software, and don't know what it is, the place is very poorly managed and will cause you some serious nightmares. All of the places where I've worked, which didn't use revision control, went out of business within a couple years.

    Personally, I prefer Subversion, and I converted my prior employer to using it. They didn't understand why I wanted to use it, but they weren't averse to trying something new. After it saved our butts a couple times, they understood perfectly well why I wanted to use it and continue to use it after I left.

    The job before that, I used StarTeam. Borland bought StarBase (the maker of StarTeam) while I was with that employer.

    My current employer uses CVS. It has its warts, but it works.

    For question #2, my current employer uses Bugzilla. It works reasonably well. My prior employer didn't have a bug-tracking system. The second or third web app they had me write was a bug-tracking system, not oriented toward software development but toward the larger company (hospitality). We ended up using a wiki for bug-tracking. StarTeam had a "Change Control" system built into it, so that employer had excellent bug-tracking software.

    I've had only one employer who knew what CMMI was (question #3). They could've passed a level 3 certification if necessary. If you're going to develop for the DoD, you used to need a level 4 cert; not sure if that's the case any more.

    For those who don't know, CMMI is merely a methodology for ensuring that:

    • coding standards are in place
    • development documentation is in place
    • the project is well-managed on, time, responsibilities and risks
    • there is a reasonable probability of delivering on-time

    It can be tedious, consistent, or both. The better places are the latter, not so much the former.

    In short, they should have good, solid answers for #1 and #2, while #3 is a nice-to-have.

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  140. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    I had the same experience just a few months ago. As a software engineer, I've found recruiters to be almost completely useless at finding a job. Most of them have zero idea of what kind of work their clients do, don't know the difference between C and C# (a pretty important thing when dealing with low-level embedded software engineers), and worst of all, demand a huge cut of your salary, resulting in low-ball offers from employers. Usually, recruiters seem to work with very small companies who want to pay 60-70% of market rate, and who are apparently too lazy or stupid to simply post an ad on Craigslist or Dice.com. My last two jobs came from those sites, the previous job from the hiring manager looking on Dice.com himself and finding my resume there (this was a company with 20,000 employees). Somehow, these small companies seem to think their time is sooooo valuable, they can't spend 30 minutes looking on Dice.com themselves, and would rather pay some dumbass recruiter $20,000 to find some people for them.

    So, in a nutshell, I try to stay away from both recruiters and small companies. Recruiters are just time-wasters, and small companies are cheapskates.

  141. A lot of it depends on how much you need the job by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    Some brilliant advice here, but an awful lot of it is "I'm interviewing the employer too"

    You should always have a certain amount of that attitude to appear confident, but what if you cross the line of arrogance and not appear as attractive to the employer?

    That all depends on one thing: your current situation. If you're unemployed, you don't turn your nose up at anything - you get in there, bend over like a good little employee, and get a salary coming in. *Then* and only then do you have bargaining power such as experience and the general attractiveness of not sitting doing nothing, and can afford to say no and stay where you are.

    The situation isn't as black&white as 'unemployed' or 'employed' either - you have things like dead end jobs and potential redundancy to consider.

    None of it is black and white, so I don't think there are the formulaic answers that some are coming up with.

  142. Simple by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    "Do you run your business like a businessman or do you run it like a human being?"

    The correct response will depend on how much of a fucking douchebag you are.

  143. Look for smiling people by OrigamiMarie · · Score: 1

    This isn't really a question to ask, but it's something useful to do.

    Make sure you get a tour that includes your general working area. Most places should be fine with giving you a tour at some point before you commit, and one that doesn't should turn up some red flags right there. When you're on the tour, see if the other employees (especially your prospective coworkers) are smiling. If they are, it's a good sign that they have decently-balanced workloads, lives, opportunities, etc. If they aren't, be rather leery of the job, as it will likely turn you into a grump. Something is probably distinctly dysfunctional, and it may not be anything that you can find out by asking questions of the interviewers.

    It seems so simple (and rather simplistic), but choosing jobs with happy coworkers, management, and other contacts really does make for a happier job and life.

  144. how you really get hired by scatterbrained · · Score: 1

    A bit old, but a book called "How You Really Get Hired" has a great section about how to handle the 'do you have any questions' part of the interview(s). The basic idea is to use the time to show them you're interested, that you've done your homework about the company, and how to use the time as an opportunity to sell yourself or address perceived weaknesses.

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  145. My questions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know if anyone will read this, as I'm late to the party.

    For contract work: I'm in a right to work state, so contract jobs can be ended by either party at any time. Contracts don't overrule the law here, and honestly, its not worth attempting to sue for breach. So, as I don't think I've ever had a contract end naturally, contracts go as followed:
    "What's the rate of pay?" "Hourly or Salary?" "Overtime or not?" "Any other benefits such as vacation, sick days, insurance?" "Dress code for the work location?" and "Where is the work location?"
    Yes its very forward, but in my experience so are contract agencies. If they don't like it, then theres only dozens of others to go see and it seems the feeling is mutual. Oddly enough, I've gotten several repeat call backs because I'm "straight forward".

    For real jobs, I still ask for rate of pay somewhere towards the end of the interview. Usually, by the end I know if I've got a shot or not. Honestly, I don't see the harm. I work to get paid. If I could afford to not get paid, I'd be volunteering. The overwhelming majority of the time I get a pay range. If they stutter, I assume they are afraid of actually paying employees and don't follow up beyond the end of the interview.
    I find dress code to be a perfectly reasonable question... then again I work tech jobs. So far I've only taken "Business Casual" (nice pants, nice shirt, no tie / jacket / over fanciness) or lower jobs. Therefore I don't own a suit, nor will I buy a suit on a maybe hiring. Further, I'm not going to a job site that involves physical tech (servers, racking, etc) in a suit; it'll just eventually get torn.

    Otherwise, I advise asking about their work environment, if their business steadily growing, and if there's opportunity for advancement.

    For me, if its a "nose to the grindstone" environment, where you're overwhelmed and walking on egg shells around any boss, then its a short term solution at best. If they aren't growing, then its a dead end job. If there's no way to advance, then its just a means to get a paycheck.

    Thus far, I've had pretty good luck with the straight forward approach. Once, I was told I was overly forward. I told them, "That's just how I am. Everything's on the table. I want to know what I'm getting into and I think so should you." I got the job.
    If things go bad during the interview due to my questions, my bail out is: "Thanks for having me. You'll find that I'm straight forward and honest to a fault. I hope to hear from you later." So far so good.

  146. Ask peers and managers about their background by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ask potential peers and managers about their background and what they learned from it.

    You do not want to work with managers and co-workers who have not delivered products with comparable scope and environment before. Inexperience delivering products leads to directives that make predictable rapid progress impossible (things like employees forbidden to unit test or documentation to follow "in the week after the products ship"). Applying big-company life cycle experience to startups fails, where the need to get something in front of customers ASAP to seize market share trumps making it as fast as possible. Applying lax test practices backfires as an attempt to get product out sooner.

  147. FWIW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I attended a talk at OSCON 2009 about "Effective Interviewing from Both Sides of the Desk"

    The presentation is here:
    http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/8074

    One of my takeaways was that the interview should be handled like the first day of the job, and I think that answers your question well. What would you ask on the first day of the job? I would imagine it would cover how things are done, who works with whom, and many cultural aspects as well. But, to each his own...

    Hope that helps; it helped me.

    Haven't read the presentation, but I picked up a couple other pointers from the talk as well, so I hope you can discern them from the slides.

  148. My question list by tetrode · · Score: 1

    Here is the question list I have built up over the years:

    Function

    What is the responsibility of the function? Why is this position available? New function or replacement? How long has this position existed? Previous person? How many people have held this position in the last two years?
    Who would be my supervisor? To whom would I report? Whom will I supervise? With whom will I be working most closely? Organigram?
    What are the current problems facing the company/my department?
    What are the top 3 priorities in the next 6 months and what would my role be in realizing this? And the top priorities in the next 2 years?
    What hours do you (really) expect me to work.
    What are the most challenging aspects of the position?
    Describe the opportunities for training and professional development. Will I receive any formal training?

    Organisation

    What is the philosophy of the company? What is the mission statement?
    What do you consider to be the companies strengths and weaknesses?
    What are the companyâ(TM)s short terms and mid terms (2 yr, 5 yr) plans and goals? Acquisition plans?
    What is the history of the company? How has the growth been, organically, by acquisitions?
    What is this company's culture?
    Office tour, check out the infrastructure, the people?

    Financials

    Yearly, Quarterly budget to make, history of budget â" always made?
    How is the business running, how are the financials, how is the current funding, how is the company run financially?
    What are the current plans for expansion or cutbacks?
    Extra benefits need to be explained adequately?

    Product

    Explain product portfolio? History of the products, what are strong products, what are weak products? Plans for new products, new versions â" when, what, targeting who, which market?
    What are the target groups, target clients (sample names)? Sales cycle time? Implementation time?

    The Joel Test

    Do you use source control?
    Can you make a build in one step?
    Do you make daily builds?
    Do you have a bug database?
    Do you fix bugs before writing new code?
    Do you have an up-to-date schedule?
    Do you have a spec?
    Do programmers have quiet working conditions? ïfY Office tour
    Do you use the best tools money can buy?
    Do you have testers?

  149. Read their mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once interviewed for a deranged, security-obsessed company.
    At the beginning it looked like a typical interview process for a typical job in the small software department of a typical large consumer goods manufacturer, but as I asked questions they went out of their way to look bad on almost every count, and I was shocked that they were so blind to the unattractiveness of their job offer.
    I guess their recruitment relies on making offers they can't refuse to relatives of existing employees and on hiring desperados from even worse places.

    I started asking questions after the IT manager described a job I really liked.
    Q: I currently earn X, and I'd need to get a car to reach you. Can you give me X + a company car or X + the cost of commuting?
    A: Company cars are reserved for top management and X is already a stretch, but we want to hire you anyway.
    Ok, maybe they are good enough to sacrifice some pay.
    Q: Can I see my prospective workplace?
    A1: No, we are after hours, maybe next time.
    A2 (second interview): No, we are too busy to show you around.
    Q: What about training?
    A: You are expected to stop after hours, unpaid, for initial learning.
    Q: Do you use source control systems?
    A: Not really.
    But perhaps they make it up in benefits.
    Q: Where can I eat?
    A: Exclusively at our internal mess. You cannot leave the compound.
    Q: Any other benefit?
    A: You can buy heavily discounted XXX [useless to me] from the internal outlet.
    Q: What contract do you apply? [In Italy we have standard contracts for different industries]
    A: Similar to the XXX one [mediocre hours and vacation] but nonstandard. You won't get the normal collective raises you'd get with the standard contract, only management-assigned ones.

    Summing up...
    Q: Are you really sure you cannot pay me more than X for this job?
    A: You are not motivated.

    P.S. If you recognize yourself in the company, HR representative and IT manager I describe, I sincerely hope you have improved.

  150. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah the same thing happened with me. I wanted 30k which was about the expected market rate for a graduate, and I said so, and the guy exclaimed 'not by a bulls roar!' and said they wouldn't go over 22k (it was a nonprofit, and this is australia 9 years ago). That was the end of the interview, and it probably saved me 30 minutes talking crap. It didn't save me the 5 hours I'd already wasted on that job application, including the 2 hour IQ/psych test they'd made all candidates take.

  151. I only ever have one question ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Where's the beer and when do I get paid?"
                                -- Jimmy Carl Black in "200 Motels"

  152. Try to sound out the company first if you can! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try hard to research the company and get a feel from the employment agent ( if they were used to set up an interview ), get a feel for how many people have been and actually been employed.

    Interview around 2001. Once asked in an interview ( for Oracle DBA position ) "So what's your backup strategy?". Silence for about 30 secs ( seemed more like about 30 hours! ), current DBA and manager looked at each other, "Well, I'm sure we do them, don't we Steve?" "Oh, yes, we sure do! No real strategy, just put the tapes in and let the Unix guys worry about it!" ( Okaaaay....)

    "What about regular meetings with development staff to discuss user perception and system performance and evaluation metrics?"..."Ermmmm, well we did speak last month, I think. Hmmm, any other questions?"

    ( I knew this was a waste of time, so I started having fun...) "How and on what do you perform your system metrics and statistics evaluations? Personally I favour an old copy of dBase III on a PC, really gets you back to the nitty-gritty of what IT is!"...."Really? dBAse III, takes me back, we still have a copy here actually, we could soon dig it out! You need to let me have your DB setup, we could use that!" ( Oh Jebus Wept! )

    "Do you favour the Stockhausen method of ITIL metric evaluation or the Nishkoi "wet" method, especially regarding SLA breach management?" ( Nishkoi is type of pond fish. ). "Well we certainly try hard to meet our SLA agreements, but we don't really subscribe to either method, more in house, hands-on approach. Well if that's all then Steve here will show you out. Thanks..."...blah,blah,blah...

    Needless to say no offer made, obviously they had got sick of an endless stream of sensible IT professionals poking holes in their crap IT strategy! Waste of an afternoon off my main job at the time!

  153. No employer == my current and past employers! by Monty+Worm · · Score: 1

    no employer on earth will offer you more than you asked for.

    Actually, the last two jobs I've been offered more than I asked. For the record, I'm a LAMP (Perl) developer - although in this case the M is an O, and sometimes the A has morphed into Cron or Postfix.

    First one I had been without a job for 1 1/4 years, and just wanted to work. I gave a low figure, and was offered 25% more than that. Second job was not quite as bad, but I optimistically asked for a 10% rise as a result of moving - and got 10% *on top of what I asked for*

    Seriously, if you're being hired via a recruiter, ask their advice, before the interview stages . Because they're getting paid a cut of your salary, they'll generally recommend something that's feasible, while being as large as the feel you can get away with.

    A good recruiter is your friend. Bad recruiters a: should be shot, and b: are everywhere.

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  154. Re:The thing about "what is your salary requiremen by aclarke · · Score: 1

    I'd generally agree with this, but my standard response is more like, "of course my salary is very important to me, but more important is the total compensation package. I'd like to make the salary discussion part of our discussion about overall compensation."

    Then ask some questions about compensation and try to fit in a question about their expectations of salary. That way you can sidestep the direct salary question and can also maybe get them to answer the question first, which will put you at more of an advantage.

    The other danger about mentioning your salary range first, is that if you say $80-100k depending on benefits, then they describe their benefits package and you don't like it, you have to basically say "your benefits package sucks so I want $98k per year" which unless you are more diplomatic than I am might come across as being insulting.

  155. Dress code by aclarke · · Score: 1

    I sometimes ask about dress code before I even show up at the office. At times I've asked the HR person what the office environment is like, whether I should be wearing a suit and tie, or business casual. The answer is pretty much always "business casual", and I've never had a negative response from asking this question. I guess I also gauge whether or not I ask the question.

    This is generally for consulting positions too, so pretty much always at this point I have the job and I'm just trying to make a good impression and fit into their environment.

  156. What Do You Like Best About Working Here? by Atomm · · Score: 1

    I've found this question will give you a lot of interesting insight into a company and the motivations of their employees. You can tell right away if they are blowing smoke up your ask or actually like working there.

  157. Always ask something as a follow-up question by matt20102 · · Score: 1

    or just as conversation. Like real-life Jeopardy, questions can reveal more about a person's intellect than answers. I've been able to learn more about companies through polite, off-topic conversation than through on-topic conversation or research. Questions and lively conversation also show the interviewer a lot about your communication skills and style. If you listen intently, without interrupting, and speak in grammatically correct speech, you are probably much more likely to pay attention to details on the job.

    If you are making conversation, realize that people tend to look to the upper-right. Look to the (lower) left of the person to whom you are conversing when you are looking for something about which to make conversation. If people tend to look to the upper right, looking the other way for things about which to converse (something on the interviewer's desk or wall, for instance) could come across as attention to detail because fewer people are likely to notice those things.

    Let the interviewer speak at length without any interruption. One recruiter I spoke with actually told me that he likes to ramble in an attempt to get candidates to interrupt him. The fact that I didn't do so, but rather let him speak for a long time was (in his words) 'very impressive'. Listening intently at length also gives the speaker a chance to betray his emotional attachment to his subject. If the technical interviewer spends 3 or 4 minutes speaking about what he does and he never once shows any sense of excitement, that's probably a clue about the environment.

  158. open source citizen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you use open source? How much have you contributed back to the projects you use?

  159. Turn Yourself Into a Consultant by krsmav · · Score: 1

    Turn it around and become a consultant. Ask "What gets in the way of doing your work more than anything else?" "What drives you crazy?" "What do you need help with the most?" Then show how you're the ideal one to fix things.

  160. Show me the money by visionbeyond · · Score: 1

    I believe that every worker in the IT industry is looking for that big idea company that goes huge overnight, something like Oracle comes to mind. 8-) Personally I've made enough companies rich off of software that I've designed and written, but while their rich (or were for a moment until they went bankrupt), it didn't really effect things for me - other than being worshiped for the god that I am. LOL I also can't count how many companies I've worked for and just about killed myself with overtime hours. Every company when they finally decide they want something, need it yesterday and it's priority 1... until later that day and next item becomes wanted.

    This being said, one of the first questions I ask is do they have profit sharing or stock options, and is that on the table as a negotiating item. Also as a company, what are their immediate needs and goals, as well as their long term projected goal. If they answer anything other than "Complete and utter world domination", then don't expect to ever get a pay increase. If they don't offer any vested interest in the company, and they are presenting a salary position, I'd be clear on what is expected of you and how overtime hours (which will be guaranteed more than less) are compensated. Also doesn't hurt to ask them what their policy is on concealed weapons and gun carry to the office. LOL

  161. how does this get around specific gravity? by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    This method's fine if dilution works, but specific gravity still fucks you I think.

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  162. I'm reasonably greedy. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Just like most people and companies.

    I don't see any reason to hide it.

    That said I will usually wait to directly ask the tough questions.

    I've already observed the place, people etc and have a good idea of the answers before asking the question. (e.g. I know a burnt out death marcher when I see one.)

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'