The sender pays idea presented only addresses the spam problem from the ISP's point of view.
However, end users are, again, left to their own devices. With that plan in place, they'd "only" have to accept spam that's being paid for, to the ISP. The end user would still get drowned in spam and would still have to play cat-and-mouse games with filters and other countermeasures.
Sender pays will work only, if every victim is appropriately and directly compensated.
And of course none of these methods work, if opt-out remains the name of the game.
So there they are, the people born in India, thinking that being born in India entitles them to a better standard of living than what they have now.
And some of them have figured out that educating themselves into IT professionals they can raise their standard of living by a tenfold, if not more.
Somehow I don't see them crying over a few snotty americans getting laid off.
If you insist on having American companies pay you more, just because you're born in the US, do expect enterprising individuals (such as the head of Wipro) in the developing countries to set up competing companies with better cost structures. You either cut cost, or you see COMPANIES dissappear. Either way, you will lose your job.
How do you suppose you're going to stop the process? Laying on your ass and whining about your God given right to a fat paycheck? Or making sure you develop your skills to remain competitive in the global job market? Don't expect any help from your American company. They will remain concerned ONLY about the company, and about you, only if that is for the benefit of the company. If they can replace you with an equally competent professional (or a team of 4 lesser folks, who produce the same results) that costs them 50% less, you can bet your ass they're going to kick your behind out the door. And that's the way it is supposed to be.
Remember it is the US who's been championing the idea of free economy, open markets and all that good stuff. Now reap what you sow...can't have it both ways.
Most of the aliases and fake personas of the high volume spammers are also known. It's known where they live and how they spam.
For example, if someone from IL called an ISP and ordered hosting for 10 domains registered with joker.com, one would know it's Ralsky, even if he used Mickey Mouse as his name.
A simple solution for ISPs is not to sell services to spammers in the first place.
The high volume spammers are almost all known at this time, and they have a history of terminations and other problems that you can check prior to opening their accounts. Just do some screening before you take a client. news.admin.net-abuse.sightings, ROKSO, ask the client questions ("Have you lost accounts before for TOS violations?" "If so, why?" Have a clause in your TOS that will allow you to terminate them immediately, if they lie.), etc.
The smaller fish who don't have a history, will not cause you that much trouble anyway, so you'll be fine.
When the hell did crime become acceptable? When did paying for the damages of crimes become acceptable?
Geez! Spammers should be made to pay. The problem is, just like the guy says, is that nobody cares. FBI will not investigate, local authorities will not investigate, ISPs of the spammers will gladly sell services to the criminals.
Do your part and hunt the fuckers down. If you run an ISP, make sure you don't have open proxies running and that you do not sell services to ISPs. If you're a victim of a spammer, make sure that you pursue the matter (unlike Verizon who HAD Ralsky, but settled...they could've bankrupted the scum, but chose not to).
Companies are wasting insane amounts of money writing and maintaining spam filters. This is money that's unavailable for enhancing the business or providing new jobs for employees.
I think the conclusion saying american workers do not spend huge amounts ot their time fighting spam is incorrect. It's all about cost shifting with spam...
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers. The slower the better. Remember, knees first, so that they can't run away
No, I do not give any Godwin invoking net.geek any breaks, regardless of how famous they are. Keep the nazi references to yourself, ok?
If you hate spam more than I do, why is is that EFF still maintains the position that spammers have (some) free speech rights?
*I* think that anything that can be done to stop spam is good. Whether it's aggressive filtering such as SPEWS, spambag.org, SBL or verio.blackholes.us, federal/state legislation (the government is not always the boogieman), public ridicule of spammers and spam supporters, including John Gilmore and any other legal ways you can fight spam, including ways that other folks might consider unethical.
It's my right to consider your principles flawed. Find others to give you money. You ain't getting any of mine.
As long as EFF is supporting the rights of spammers, I will not be making donations of any amount to EFF.
Examples of this include John Gilmore's infamous toad.com mail server, Brad Templeton's boneheaded statements about spam as free speech and EFF's objections to anti-spam filtering.
It is time EFF to stop the support of this cancer of the net.
Tagged addresses (na+foo@example.com, "foo" is the tag) are automatically routed to the correct Email address (in the case of my example to na@example.com).
There is no need to set up any new email addresses.
I use it all the time. Too bad many online vendors do not allow me to enter the '+' sign on their registration forms.
It wouldn't be the first time spammers are trying to masquerade as anti-spammers.
This is why it is important that people know who is running this show, how they are running it and what exactly are they planning on doing with the spam archives.
The whois records shows someone by the name of Rajan Guru with an Email address on ciphertrust.com, which seems to be in the business of "Email Security" and makes a serverside spam filtering product called IronMail.
Why aren't they telling on spamarchive.org it's them that's behind the operation?
Are they trying to develop a new commercial product or enhance IronMail based on what people submit to spamarchive.org?
There is a large Chicago based company owning a patent for shopping carts. All of them. This company is sending demand letters to extort money from small online businesses to supplement their revenue, which is down significantly due to the dot.com bubble bust. Allegedly the small businesses are rather paying the five figure sum than fight it out in courts. The company is purposedly avoiding going after bigger businesses that would have the money and the means to fight back.
Amazon owns a patent for "one-click-shopping" and a bunch of other simple processes having to do with online commerce and is using its power to extort money from its competitors.
What you can do about something like this is to boycott the services and products of such companies. Amazon has plenty of competition, so does the Chicago based company.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill unethical businesses
This same company is operating bogus domain registries in all continents.
They are the same fuckers who are behind at least the Domain Registry of Canada and Domain Registry of Australia, which pulled the same stuff in those areas of the world.
They get sued in one geographical area and they just move to the next. Scum.
It was not a cease and desist order type of a lawsuit. It was a civil case where the plaintiff was seeking compensation for lost income and for other costs from the defendant.
Joey's legal bill ran to a couple of tens of thousands USD and yes, the judge ordered those costs be paid by the plaintiff. Joey McNicol posted as such in news.admin.net-abuse.email last night.
The judgment can be found at http://t3-v-mcnicol.ilaw.com.au/judgment.pdf
The use of software patents, aggressive litigation and other measures by the companies with the most money will continue overrunning more innovative companies and people.
The technological power will increasingly continue to concentrate with the few.
In the next 12 monts the pace of innovation will start/continue slowing down.
So you're saying that the US authorities should have the choice of picking and choosing which European laws they feel like obeying and if they happen to break some of the laws they don't like, the Europeans should just move along and pretend like nothing happened?
That's way cool.
Now, let's turn the tables...how would you feel, if the European law enforcement agencies thought it would acceptable to break US laws during their activities as they choose. You think that's good?
If not, why is it different when US authorities are doing the same thing?
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill hypocrisy
BTW, I think the jailtime the hackers got is way too short.
Slashdot Mirror
Report your company and the decision makers to
the INS for violating the law.
Your bosses are nothing but common criminals.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill criminals
That's right, sue to keep your job. That's a
sure way to success.
There is no issue here. An ambulance chaser
is suing Big Corp America, because a crybaby
hurt his feelings.
Get a new job and stop whining.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill stupidity
Every anti-spammer has been saying the same sort of things for years now ("email will be destroyed, if spam is not killed").
Funny how nobody ever listens to experts. About anything.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill ignorance
The sender pays idea presented only addresses the spam problem from the ISP's point of view.
However, end users are, again, left to their own devices. With that plan in place, they'd "only" have to accept spam that's being paid for, to the ISP. The end user would still get drowned in spam and would still have to play cat-and-mouse games with filters and other countermeasures.
Sender pays will work only, if every victim is appropriately and directly compensated.
And of course none of these methods work, if opt-out remains the name of the game.
So there they are, the people born in India, thinking that being born in India entitles them to a better standard of living than what they have now.
And some of them have figured out that educating themselves into IT professionals they can raise their standard of living by a tenfold, if not more.
Somehow I don't see them crying over a few snotty americans getting laid off.
If you insist on having American companies pay you more, just because you're born in the US, do expect enterprising individuals (such as the head of Wipro) in the developing countries to set up competing companies with better cost structures. You either cut cost, or you see COMPANIES dissappear. Either way, you will lose your job.
How do you suppose you're going to stop the process? Laying on your ass and whining about your God given right to a fat paycheck? Or making sure you develop your skills to remain competitive in the global job market? Don't expect any help from your American company. They will remain concerned ONLY about the company, and about you, only if that is for the benefit of the company. If they can replace you with an equally competent professional (or a team of 4 lesser folks, who produce the same results) that costs them 50% less, you can bet your ass they're going to kick your behind out the door. And that's the way it is supposed to be.
Remember it is the US who's been championing the idea of free economy, open markets and all that good stuff. Now reap what you sow...can't have it both ways.
Most of the aliases and fake personas of the high volume spammers are also known. It's known where they live and how they spam.
For example, if someone from IL called an ISP and ordered hosting for 10 domains registered with joker.com, one would know it's Ralsky, even if he used Mickey Mouse as his name.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
A simple solution for ISPs is not to sell services to spammers in the first place.
The high volume spammers are almost all known at this time, and they have a history of terminations and other problems that you can check prior to opening their accounts. Just do some screening before you take a client. news.admin.net-abuse.sightings, ROKSO, ask the client questions ("Have you lost accounts before for TOS violations?" "If so, why?" Have a clause in your TOS that will allow you to terminate them immediately, if they lie.), etc.
The smaller fish who don't have a history, will not cause you that much trouble anyway, so you'll be fine.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
Hell fucking no!
When the hell did crime become acceptable? When did paying for the damages of crimes become acceptable?
Geez! Spammers should be made to pay. The problem is, just like the guy says, is that nobody cares. FBI will not investigate, local authorities will not investigate, ISPs of the spammers will gladly sell services to the criminals.
Do your part and hunt the fuckers down. If you run an ISP, make sure you don't have open proxies running and that you do not sell services to ISPs. If you're a victim of a spammer, make sure that you pursue the matter (unlike Verizon who HAD Ralsky, but settled...they could've bankrupted the scum, but chose not to).
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers.
...was getting laid off.
That was way cool.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill CEOs
Companies are wasting insane amounts of money writing and maintaining spam filters. This is money that's unavailable for enhancing the business or providing new jobs for employees.
I think the conclusion saying american workers do not spend huge amounts ot their time fighting spam is incorrect. It's all about cost shifting with spam...
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers. The slower the better. Remember, knees first, so that they can't run away
re: MVC is event driven
I would argue that what you have there is one IMPLEMENTATION of the MVC design pattern.
MVC can be a lot of things. In its core it's just a collection of abstract software design ideals. However you implement it is up to you.
Or at least that's the way I think about it. YMMV.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill reinventing the wheel, use frameworks
I've never used structs myself. What's it like?
Struts, however, has eclipse plugins as well providing very nice integration with that IDE.
Just in case you are interested in more than just fanboyisms.
Proletariat of the world, unite to stop reinventing the wheel, use frameworks
Ever been to a city that suffers from bad case of smog?
Proletariat of the world, unite to save the planet
No, I do not give any Godwin invoking net.geek any breaks, regardless of how famous they are. Keep the nazi references to yourself, ok?
If you hate spam more than I do, why is is that EFF still maintains the position that spammers have (some) free speech rights?
*I* think that anything that can be done to stop spam is good. Whether it's aggressive filtering such as SPEWS, spambag.org, SBL or verio.blackholes.us, federal/state legislation (the government is not always the boogieman), public ridicule of spammers and spam supporters, including John Gilmore and any other legal ways you can fight spam, including ways that other folks might consider unethical.
It's my right to consider your principles flawed. Find others to give you money. You ain't getting any of mine.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
As long as EFF is supporting the rights of spammers, I will not be making donations of any amount to EFF.
Examples of this include John Gilmore's infamous toad.com mail server, Brad Templeton's boneheaded statements about spam as free speech and EFF's objections to anti-spam filtering.
It is time EFF to stop the support of this cancer of the net.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
6747 Minnow Pond Dr, West Bloomfield, MI 48322
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
...and publish it for any anti-spamming arsons out there.
Alan Ralsky is the poster boy for sociopaths. He's saying himself that he will never stop spamming.
Let's make him. He appears to be running his business from his home. Finding the home address is the first step in putting a stop to his activities.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
Tagged addresses (na+foo@example.com, "foo" is the tag) are automatically routed to the correct Email address (in the case of my example to na@example.com).
There is no need to set up any new email addresses.
I use it all the time. Too bad many online vendors do not allow me to enter the '+' sign on their registration forms.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
It wouldn't be the first time spammers are trying to masquerade as anti-spammers.
This is why it is important that people know who is running this show, how they are running it and what exactly are they planning on doing with the spam archives.
The whois records shows someone by the name of Rajan Guru with an Email address on ciphertrust.com, which seems to be in the business of "Email Security" and makes a serverside spam filtering product called IronMail.
Why aren't they telling on spamarchive.org it's them that's behind the operation?
Are they trying to develop a new commercial product or enhance IronMail based on what people submit to spamarchive.org?
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers
There is a large Chicago based company owning a patent for shopping carts. All of them. This company is sending demand letters to extort money from small online businesses to supplement their revenue, which is down significantly due to the dot.com bubble bust. Allegedly the small businesses are rather paying the five figure sum than fight it out in courts. The company is purposedly avoiding going after bigger businesses that would have the money and the means to fight back.
Amazon owns a patent for "one-click-shopping" and a bunch of other simple processes having to do with online commerce and is using its power to extort money from its competitors.
What you can do about something like this is to boycott the services and products of such companies. Amazon has plenty of competition, so does the Chicago based company.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill unethical businesses
This same company is operating bogus domain registries in all continents.
They are the same fuckers who are behind at least the Domain Registry of Canada and Domain Registry of Australia, which pulled the same stuff in those areas of the world.
They get sued in one geographical area and they just move to the next. Scum.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers.
It was not a cease and desist order type of a lawsuit. It was a civil case where the plaintiff was seeking compensation for lost income and for other costs from the defendant.
Joey's legal bill ran to a couple of tens of thousands USD and yes, the judge ordered those costs be paid by the plaintiff. Joey McNicol posted as such in news.admin.net-abuse.email last night.
The judgment can be found at http://t3-v-mcnicol.ilaw.com.au/judgment.pdf
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers.
The use of software patents, aggressive litigation and other measures by the companies with the most money will continue overrunning more innovative companies and people.
The technological power will increasingly continue to concentrate with the few.
In the next 12 monts the pace of innovation will start/continue slowing down.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill The Man
You don't do HTML, do you?
The incremental effort to support blind on a website IS zero, provided you do it from the beginning.
HTML is a wonderfully flexible language for doing both visually attractive websites and at the same time supporting non-standard browsing habits.
All you need is to be proficient in your profession as a HTML coder. Apparently that is too much to ask.
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill incompetency.
So you're saying that the US authorities should have the choice of picking and choosing which European laws they feel like obeying and if they happen to break some of the laws they don't like, the Europeans should just move along and pretend like nothing happened?
That's way cool.
Now, let's turn the tables...how would you feel, if the European law enforcement agencies thought it would acceptable to break US laws during their activities as they choose. You think that's good?
If not, why is it different when US authorities are doing the same thing?
Proletariat of the world, unite to kill hypocrisy
BTW, I think the jailtime the hackers got is way too short.