Considering that they are a *Stanford* project that became a company, they seem to have inherited a few practices. One of them is to have a certain personality that seems to attract only exclusionists- their services reflect it. That is why they think they have been anointed by $DEITY and act without regards to consequence. They would have to remove the parts (and certain parts of the services, *cough*Orkut,Gmail*cough*) that make themselves appear like theyre still stuck-up Stanfordites.
Even if someone didnt come from that university, Google's culture seems to instill this. Add a hollow but easily deceptive bit of openness and that is why you see them act in such strange manners.
That sounds more like something of Verizon's doing than anything - the V3/V3i/V3x dont have as much problems with that - just throw it on a carrier and the only thing you might run into is the data charges.
The tickets go at the price people are willing to pay.
Willingness or lack of a "need" are not valid forms of consent to exploitation. Just apply a non-scalping regulation at the highest level that covers this kind of case and any "regulatory fee" endruns. Then we can talk about things being fair.
Only in the "free [to exploit] market" do you get promotion of ethical bankruptcy over ethical actions.
I wonder if there actually are any smart promoters out there? I doubt it. Now if you asked about exploitative, you'd have a hard time *not* finding promoters.
Ticketmaster has every right to dictate their business model. And I have every right not to buy from them. I applaud his efforts to take back money lost to middle-men nipping at his heels. As long as the market will bear those prices - then go for it. This means that concerts will increasingly become the past time of the rich, yes, and they will leave some of their best fans, the teenagers, out in the cold. If there's enough blowback they might go back to the 'wait in line at 8am on Sunday for cheap tickets' model - but not if they are making good money.
Strange that things are always good to do when you've thrown ethics out the window and they're bad if you try to replace ethics in economic activity.
Ticketmaster is once more proof positive that "free market" systems can fail. Start with the allowance of an endgame that is rewarded inversely of what ethics you practice, back it up with a hollow "it's a want, we arent pointing a gun to your head" justification, and you have market failure.
Regulation is all that is needed - and enforce it, even if it is unprofitable. Even things that are pure wants deserve protection. Just be sure to lock out the lobbyists out of the process, to ensure that the regulation isnt watered down.
Perhaps some alternatives will spring up to fill the gap.
Not in my lifetime- that's going to be quite a long one presuming ethics still is present in the economics of healthcare (given that it left us this year).
Guess they were wanting a piece of the pie that scalpers normally would get.
"I guess the capitalist inside me would say, `Hey, if that's what they can get for tickets, I guess that's just something I can't afford, like a yacht and a Learjet.' "
Hrm. Maybe you might want to suppress that part of you when you think about scalping next time. The visible hand of force to lower things works quite well when ethics gets thrown out the window - whether it's a want or need.
Industry watchers agree that auctions will affect all concertgoers. Prime seats are undervalued in the marketplace, said Alan B. Krueger, a professor at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, who has studied ticket prices. He predicts that once auctions begin revealing a ticket's market value, prices as a whole will climb faster.
Somehow reality and some people's interpretations of economics get quite warped when they let Mises throw their ethics out the window.
Now if Google would only apply all those smarts to something not evil.
You would have to relocate the main offices all somewhere such as Detroit(or somewhere in the Midwest/Rust Belt), and remove the exclusionism in their culture - the most obvious example of it is the Stanford Nexus II product.
Only when you have removed the culture of excluding on a whim, is when you can start believing that what intelligence that exists at Google is doing something Not Evil. Anything else is a corporate "Animal House" with hollow friendliness mixed in.
You are asking for a tall order there, sir. If it happens, there will certainly be some that would think that it'd be on the decline that they do this. Somehow I doubt it.
Now one might explain why IBM suddenly is selling these systems with very similar specs to these. Yes, the 185 is a bit neutered (memory, undocumented AIX only 3d graphics, PCI-X versus PCI-E), but they'd make for a nice system to use recycled 970's.
It was "market forces" that promoted the idea of offshoring and H-1B's while many of us had nothing but pinkslips That might have been the theory, but the practice is that H1-B overdosing is used more towards effortless, legal profits that send ethics further down the gutter.
Take a look at the UK during the Thatcher era, and the US during the similar timeframe. What happened then was a similar set of actions that laid down the framework for allowing companies to gut the middle class, most forms of upward mobility, and to be able to get unethical behavior of a company as acceptable.
I wish I were as sure of that as you are. People on the low end of the income scale sure seem to want the taxes on the highest 1% of earners in the US to be lower, if not nonexistent, just based on the one in four hundred thousand chance that they will end up among them.
Well, given the current set of things, it's also the tax shelters and credits that the majority (in your definition) will never get to use, and measures such as the AMT that end up creating a large speed bump that appears to slow any advancement into "favorable" tax brackets. Combine that with conditions disfavorable to forming a middle class, and it wont be surprising when you do have a mostly 2 class society. It's that the Rust Belt and places similar to that are further down the line than the rest of the country with the 1-2 punch of offshoring driving out steady jobs while keeping education and the ability to move to prosperity further out of reach.
The most hated tax in the US today is the estate tax, a tax that over 95% of the country will never even feel, and which only impacts people who are basically trying to maintain a landed gentry in the United States.
The Alternative Minimum Tax would probably come in a close second, due to the intent not matching the reality of things due to the known flaws. The current design intends to affect the 1% in a socially favorable way but only shuts the door to loopholes that still exist.
It's nice to have the smaller cars, but the immediate reality is you're going to have to match feature-for-feature (outside of the high-emission, low-efficiency parts) in performance and otherwise without ending up in the Lexus or BMW range, and doing so without the driver noticing. That includes similar size and performance without having to take any notice as to driving a low-emission car, with the down-the-road option of converting existing cars over to low emissions parts that do the same but retain the body and performance of the previous engine/drivetrain as close as possible (again, without the price being beyond a conventional swap of such kind).
Not all of us care to drive something that would result in a guaranteed pre-packaged closed casket burial in the event of the Absolutely Unavoidable Collision- especially if such vehicle performs in a manner that would predispose it to being a 5'x8'x5' object with relative ease in ordinary operation.
'to ensure that only trusted participants are coming into the system'
Sounds like they took a bad clue from the guys of Stanford. There really is no legitimate reason (outside of bragging) - the "trusted participant" part is just a red herring if they intend to be "open". If anything it should advertise to steer clear of this organization and disregard what will be blackbox ratings.
This would allow members to discuss sensitive issues and share information without having to worry that it would be made widely public.
Somehow I dont think they're talking about financials here, and wanting to pull a Sveasoft style act - all the bad parts, none of any relevant or good.
Maybe he didnt declare war on himself, but we do get close with declaring war on his own people with financial means. Besides, how else do you make a readily manipulated populace if you dont take away their financial threat as well as remove the means to meaningful post-secondary education to escape it?
Anyone complaining about the lack of jobs and low pay in the industry is an anomaly
Then I must be living amongst the biggest anomaly in the US, the Midwest/Rust Belt region. Here, job requirements are engineered to meet loopholes, not US citizens who are quite well skilled.
Come to the Midwest sometime, as you may be seeing quite a huge "anomaly". First of all, it is offshoring, combined with the rising tuition costs (insanity comes to mind when over >$5k/yr), with the third fatal strike of increased selectionism.
Proof that the offshoring is an overexagerated issue? Look at average salaries of graduates. They may not be as high as you want them, but compared with any other fields they are consistently towards the top. Even now, with so much media attention focusing on the downturn in the tech economy, I doubt you would receive very much sympathy for having to receive a starting salary of over 51k.
Rethink what you've just said until tuition and admission for any citizen to any university is guaranteed and that such tuition is low cost if not covered by redirected corporate/agricultral subsidy. Until then, you're going to have to endure the sharp pain of the truth that Dobbs is talking about. It must be scary to hear it, but the truth is that people do NOT want the Gilded Age (of 2 class society) to happen again no matter how it is done.
This quote that was in the article applies quite well, and it's not towards the financial definition, but more an insult to the Ivy League selectionism: Knowledge, sir, should be free to all! -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3
List the jobs which cannot be "sent to other countries".
Practically anything that requires a clearance. Those jobs wont be going anywhere soon, and your citizen-by-birth status is a bonus right off the bat. Sure, it may need some skill, but the stability that can come with that clearance does quite well if the contract is kept.
So, contrary to what Lou Dobbs would have you believe, IT and High Tech jobs are not leaving the US for India and China. IT and High Tech is alive and well in the US and will be for some time.
Obviously you havent lived where they still want to do this economically unsound approach. You sound like the kind that would rather see him off the air - which seems to lend some if not a lot of truth to that message. Guess your kind is quite hurt enough to throw blood money (from slave labor countries such as India and China) to get him (and like minded people) out of the public view.
When I speak to companies who are doing offshoring these days, I am not hearing issues about labor costs at the front of the back. Rather, it is about finding specific skill sets and to attract people who don't want to live in Silicon Valley, the US, etc. Least you think the last point is fantasy, I personally know of a good 1/2 dozen folks who have moved to India and China (accepting local pay packages) in order to have a better quality of life (for example, household servants).
Cao ni ma de.
Well, if you like to live in a country that exploits its own physically as it does to the world politically, fine. Just dont be surprised when you cant get anything of quality and that your every move is watched even more carefully. Forget protests, unless your family wants to pay for the bullets. While the EU/US kick out the free-exploiters *again*, you'll live in a society that will not care if you die to some "accident".
As for those companies that you deal with, I bet they're also some of the ones that want Dobbs out. No sense in trying to endrun the US wages if everyone sees that you're trying to recreate the Gilded Age again.
Simply put, salaries cannot grow at this rate (a CAGR of 29%) for an extended period of time without coming into line with those in the US. The ratio between the US and India is no longer 1:10, it is more like 1:4 and shrinking. This is the reality of a world which is flat. Things reach a point of balance. And in this case, the point of balance is moving up.
Unfortunately, you're not going to get more than a lynch mob in the Midwest after you've taken their job to India, and only jack up education costs to insane levels. Community colleges do not a solution make; it is the redirection of existing subsidy in other areas to education, and the removal of any ability to exclude people from any institution for any reason.
It's not competition when you throw the game by offshoring, even in trade.
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Considering that they are a *Stanford* project that became a company, they seem to have inherited a few practices. One of them is to have a certain personality that seems to attract only exclusionists- their services reflect it. That is why they think they have been anointed by $DEITY and act without regards to consequence. They would have to remove the parts (and certain parts of the services, *cough*Orkut,Gmail*cough*) that make themselves appear like theyre still stuck-up Stanfordites.
Even if someone didnt come from that university, Google's culture seems to instill this. Add a hollow but easily deceptive bit of openness and that is why you see them act in such strange manners.
DiBona, this includes you too.
That sounds more like something of Verizon's doing than anything - the V3/V3i/V3x dont have as much problems with that - just throw it on a carrier and the only thing you might run into is the data charges.
The tickets go at the price people are willing to pay.
Willingness or lack of a "need" are not valid forms of consent to exploitation. Just apply a non-scalping regulation at the highest level that covers this kind of case and any "regulatory fee" endruns. Then we can talk about things being fair.
Only in the "free [to exploit] market" do you get promotion of ethical bankruptcy over ethical actions.
I wonder if there actually are any smart promoters out there?
I doubt it. Now if you asked about exploitative, you'd have a hard time *not* finding promoters.
Ticketmaster has every right to dictate their business model. And I have every right not to buy from them. I applaud his efforts to take back money lost to middle-men nipping at his heels. As long as the market will bear those prices - then go for it. This means that concerts will increasingly become the past time of the rich, yes, and they will leave some of their best fans, the teenagers, out in the cold. If there's enough blowback they might go back to the 'wait in line at 8am on Sunday for cheap tickets' model - but not if they are making good money.
Strange that things are always good to do when you've thrown ethics out the window and they're bad if you try to replace ethics in economic activity.
Ticketmaster is once more proof positive that "free market" systems can fail. Start with the allowance of an endgame that is rewarded inversely of what ethics you practice, back it up with a hollow "it's a want, we arent pointing a gun to your head" justification, and you have market failure.
Regulation is all that is needed - and enforce it, even if it is unprofitable. Even things that are pure wants deserve protection. Just be sure to lock out the lobbyists out of the process, to ensure that the regulation isnt watered down.
Perhaps some alternatives will spring up to fill the gap.
Not in my lifetime- that's going to be quite a long one presuming ethics still is present in the economics of healthcare (given that it left us this year).
Guess they were wanting a piece of the pie that scalpers normally would get.
"I guess the capitalist inside me would say, `Hey, if that's what they can get for tickets, I guess that's just something I can't afford, like a yacht and a Learjet.' "
Hrm. Maybe you might want to suppress that part of you when you think about scalping next time. The visible hand of force to lower things works quite well when ethics gets thrown out the window - whether it's a want or need.
Industry watchers agree that auctions will affect all concertgoers. Prime seats are undervalued in the marketplace, said Alan B. Krueger, a professor at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, who has studied ticket prices. He predicts that once auctions begin revealing a ticket's market value, prices as a whole will climb faster.
Somehow reality and some people's interpretations of economics get quite warped when they let Mises throw their ethics out the window.
We can reconstruct all of their e-mails along with attachments, see what web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their VOIP calls.
;)
AT&T. Your world, delivered.
AT&T. Your world, delivered to the NSA.
Fixed that for you.
Not if you're from the Midwest. Otherwise you have to have an education from a university that accepts %10 of the applicants.
...Or elitists?
Now if Google would only apply all those smarts to something not evil.
You would have to relocate the main offices all somewhere such as Detroit(or somewhere in the Midwest/Rust Belt), and remove the exclusionism in their culture - the most obvious example of it is the Stanford Nexus II product.
Only when you have removed the culture of excluding on a whim, is when you can start believing that what intelligence that exists at Google is doing something Not Evil. Anything else is a corporate "Animal House" with hollow friendliness mixed in.
You are asking for a tall order there, sir. If it happens, there will certainly be some that would think that it'd be on the decline that they do this. Somehow I doubt it.
You obviously want to work for these guys, some other productless organization, or these morally bankrupt fellows?. Maybe if you have good enough connections, you can get access to the diploma mill/SCOTUS anointment service for the well-heeled.
Now if there were dogs that could sniff out the MPAA and their lawyers, there might be something worth the effort to train.
Would closing your account before the pregnancy comes to term result in virtual double homicide?
It's not as if other chips such as POWER/PowerPC-based ones don't have that problem.
Now one might explain why IBM suddenly is selling these systems with very similar specs to these. Yes, the 185 is a bit neutered (memory, undocumented AIX only 3d graphics, PCI-X versus PCI-E), but they'd make for a nice system to use recycled 970's.
Arguing for the "Keep the Bozos out" mantra
You misspelled "Keep the Midwesterners out". That's what Google does best.
It was "market forces" that promoted the idea of offshoring and H-1B's while many of us had nothing but pinkslips
That might have been the theory, but the practice is that H1-B overdosing is used more towards effortless, legal profits that send ethics further down the gutter.
Take a look at the UK during the Thatcher era, and the US during the similar timeframe. What happened then was a similar set of actions that laid down the framework for allowing companies to gut the middle class, most forms of upward mobility, and to be able to get unethical behavior of a company as acceptable.
I wish I were as sure of that as you are. People on the low end of the income scale sure seem to want the taxes on the highest 1% of earners in the US to be lower, if not nonexistent, just based on the one in four hundred thousand chance that they will end up among them.
Well, given the current set of things, it's also the tax shelters and credits that the majority (in your definition) will never get to use, and measures such as the AMT that end up creating a large speed bump that appears to slow any advancement into "favorable" tax brackets. Combine that with conditions disfavorable to forming a middle class, and it wont be surprising when you do have a mostly 2 class society. It's that the Rust Belt and places similar to that are further down the line than the rest of the country with the 1-2 punch of offshoring driving out steady jobs while keeping education and the ability to move to prosperity further out of reach.
The most hated tax in the US today is the estate tax, a tax that over 95% of the country will never even feel, and which only impacts people who are basically trying to maintain a landed gentry in the United States.
The Alternative Minimum Tax would probably come in a close second, due to the intent not matching the reality of things due to the known flaws. The current design intends to affect the 1% in a socially favorable way but only shuts the door to loopholes that still exist.
It's nice to have the smaller cars, but the immediate reality is you're going to have to match feature-for-feature (outside of the high-emission, low-efficiency parts) in performance and otherwise without ending up in the Lexus or BMW range, and doing so without the driver noticing. That includes similar size and performance without having to take any notice as to driving a low-emission car, with the down-the-road option of converting existing cars over to low emissions parts that do the same but retain the body and performance of the previous engine/drivetrain as close as possible (again, without the price being beyond a conventional swap of such kind).
Not all of us care to drive something that would result in a guaranteed pre-packaged closed casket burial in the event of the Absolutely Unavoidable Collision- especially if such vehicle performs in a manner that would predispose it to being a 5'x8'x5' object with relative ease in ordinary operation.
I wonder if it autoflags anything that comes from / contains MIT (in the context of the closed university), as fake out of spite.
'to ensure that only trusted participants are coming into the system'
Sounds like they took a bad clue from the guys of Stanford. There really is no legitimate reason (outside of bragging) - the "trusted participant" part is just a red herring if they intend to be "open". If anything it should advertise to steer clear of this organization and disregard what will be blackbox ratings.
This would allow members to discuss sensitive issues and share information without having to worry that it would be made widely public.
Somehow I dont think they're talking about financials here, and wanting to pull a Sveasoft style act - all the bad parts, none of any relevant or good.
Maybe he didnt declare war on himself, but we do get close with declaring war on his own people with financial means. Besides, how else do you make a readily manipulated populace if you dont take away their financial threat as well as remove the means to meaningful post-secondary education to escape it?
Anyone complaining about the lack of jobs and low pay in the industry is an anomaly
Then I must be living amongst the biggest anomaly in the US, the Midwest/Rust Belt region. Here, job requirements are engineered to meet loopholes, not US citizens who are quite well skilled.
Come to the Midwest sometime, as you may be seeing quite a huge "anomaly". First of all, it is offshoring, combined with the rising tuition costs (insanity comes to mind when over >$5k/yr), with the third fatal strike of increased selectionism.
Proof that the offshoring is an overexagerated issue? Look at average salaries of graduates. They may not be as high as you want them, but compared with any other fields they are consistently towards the top. Even now, with so much media attention focusing on the downturn in the tech economy, I doubt you would receive very much sympathy for having to receive a starting salary of over 51k.
Rethink what you've just said until tuition and admission for any citizen to any university is guaranteed and that such tuition is low cost if not covered by redirected corporate/agricultral subsidy. Until then, you're going to have to endure the sharp pain of the truth that Dobbs is talking about. It must be scary to hear it, but the truth is that people do NOT want the Gilded Age (of 2 class society) to happen again no matter how it is done.
This quote that was in the article applies quite well, and it's not towards the financial definition, but more an insult to the Ivy League selectionism:
Knowledge, sir, should be free to all! -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3
List the jobs which cannot be "sent to other countries".
Practically anything that requires a clearance. Those jobs wont be going anywhere soon, and your citizen-by-birth status is a bonus right off the bat. Sure, it may need some skill, but the stability that can come with that clearance does quite well if the contract is kept.
So, contrary to what Lou Dobbs would have you believe, IT and High Tech jobs are not leaving the US for India and China. IT and High Tech is alive and well in the US and will be for some time.
Obviously you havent lived where they still want to do this economically unsound approach. You sound like the kind that would rather see him off the air - which seems to lend some if not a lot of truth to that message. Guess your kind is quite hurt enough to throw blood money (from slave labor countries such as India and China) to get him (and like minded people) out of the public view.
When I speak to companies who are doing offshoring these days, I am not hearing issues about labor costs at the front of the back. Rather, it is about finding specific skill sets and to attract people who don't want to live in Silicon Valley, the US, etc. Least you think the last point is fantasy, I personally know of a good 1/2 dozen folks who have moved to India and China (accepting local pay packages) in order to have a better quality of life (for example, household servants).
Cao ni ma de.
Well, if you like to live in a country that exploits its own physically as it does to the world politically, fine. Just dont be surprised when you cant get anything of quality and that your every move is watched even more carefully. Forget protests, unless your family wants to pay for the bullets. While the EU/US kick out the free-exploiters *again*, you'll live in a society that will not care if you die to some "accident".
As for those companies that you deal with, I bet they're also some of the ones that want Dobbs out. No sense in trying to endrun the US wages if everyone sees that you're trying to recreate the Gilded Age again.
Simply put, salaries cannot grow at this rate (a CAGR of 29%) for an extended period of time without coming into line with those in the US. The ratio between the US and India is no longer 1:10, it is more like 1:4 and shrinking. This is the reality of a world which is flat. Things reach a point of balance. And in this case, the point of balance is moving up.
Unfortunately, you're not going to get more than a lynch mob in the Midwest after you've taken their job to India, and only jack up education costs to insane levels. Community colleges do not a solution make; it is the redirection of existing subsidy in other areas to education, and the removal of any ability to exclude people from any institution for any reason.
It's not competition when you throw the game by offshoring, even in trade.