Wrong. When is the last time you noticed the sun failed to come up (yes you still get power in overcast conditions). Further, home PV systems are designed using statistic based on the past 30 years of weather data (see rredc.nrel.gov/solar/). Ask somebody with PV, their power is WAY more reliable than the grid. In fact, most of the comminucation repeaters throughout the western US use PV for this reason.
This is more than a little disingenous. Communications long hual equipment requires 99.999% reliability. Which is why central offices (at least in Canada) use the grid, and banks of batteries to filter the power and buffer short outages, and fuel powered generators to charge the batteries/run the place and everybodies phone if there's a sustained outage. And they bring in truckload after truckload of fuel during outages, like the big one last summer.
The reason they use solar power for remote installations is that it's plainly easier to run them off solar than running power lines out to these locations. Don't pretend they wouldn't run lines there if it was at all feasible.
You might even notice other goods and services increase in cost. It's silly to think that the cost of electricity is only reflected in your electricity bill.
Similarily, rising fuel costs have increased the cost of public transportation, as well as train and airplane tickets. So even 'greener' options are going up in cost.
As just one example: How much would you pay to know that the power grid you hook up to isn't vulnerable to the sort of problem that hit the north-east US and southern Canada recently, or the rolling brownouts of California? Do you think your answer will stay the same for the next decade?
The cost is actually moving to Quebec or Texas, which have modern grids.
Quebec actually has some of the best laws/standards around. If it wasn't for all the wackos....
My understanding of X.org is that it's a free implementation of XFree86.
Ha! The irony is that X.org used to basically just define the X standard, and provide a reference implementation (that I gather wasn't all that good, or we'd all be using it). XFree86 was an implementation of that standard that got really popular when the X consortium fell out of favour.
Now, the worm has turned, and X.org forked XFree86, and basically turned it into their new reference implemenation. And are back to being the good guy, a la IBM.
The original poster was talking about quot[ing] another source (regardless of who or where the quote came from)
i.e. including if the person wrote it themselves. You're the one who introduced the word plagiarism, whereas he was talking about reasons why copying your own work (or any others) wouldn't be allowed.
See...the problem here is not only did you continue to use the software, you paid to upgrade anybody even though the bugs weren't fixed. What incentive does this give a company (Borland), to change?
On the other hand, I've used CBuilderX...and it seems vast improvement in usuability. I don't know about compiler bugs, but the pro version comes with about 300 other compilers as well, it would seem.:)
Cleanup after dinner only takes 15 minutes, and I cook and clean for myself and three kids.
Exactly! The thing I find is that I have no problem cooking/cleaning for multiple people, but just for myself it seems like a disproportionate amount of effort per meal. And you don't get the satisfaction of cooking for others.
Aside from occasionally coming up with some cute, trendy toy to piss off AOL, could someone explain how exactly Justin Frankel is "prominent" in the "IT world"?
Anyone who went to university in the last 5 years has probably had WinAmp on their computer for at least 50% of that time. And a lot of them 100%.
Not to mention that Gnutella was the first non-centralized P2P protocol, and although it didn't work out all that well in the end, it provided a starting point for research in the real world.
It certainly can't be a superset of C++ given that it lacks numerous features that C++ has (templates, multiple inheritance, etc)
It actually has templates now, as of 1.5 ('generics'). And when I tried to apply my Java learned OOP skills in C++ and started trying to make simple interfaces, I realized how fucking terrible multiple inheritance (at least in C++) is. "virtual public" inheritance?? Thank you, but no.
Ah...I missed that you were using the 10.x.x.x space. But if you're running the addresses in a VPN, why do you need to bother with the private space? I haven't used VPN, really, so maybe that's a requirement.
My concern about the up/down choice, which I forgot to write in, is that you have to be careful to avoid routing loops, if it starts bouncing up and down. It's probably tractable...but it takes thinking.
As for the non-evil ISP....my point is if you get a bunch of people who are interested in that concept, you can run it as a co-op. Raw bandwidth is getting remarkably cheap. I live in Ottawa, and our electric company has used their rights of way to lay fibre for this: Telecom Ottawa. If I ever get the money/critical mass I'd love to get a hardcore connection from them.
Ummm....I understand that you need 18 (6 x 3) bits for the router's spatial address, so why isn't it a/18 subnet?? What are the other 8 bits for?
Is this going up on the website? What I read talked about hexagons, not 6 dimensions.
I could also see problems if a packet needs to go in say, the "positive A" direction, but it's A-most link is down. How does it choose between the other options to get around the blockage in a consistent way, if they're all equally spatially close?
Oh, and the other major problem that occurred to me sometime in the last hour, and what is the major problem with WASTE, is that most providers give you less upstream than downstream bandwidth. And with a multi-hop system like this your download speed is limited to the highest upload speed of any intervening link. So no one's going to be able to get downloads anything like what they're capable of.
I really think a better and simpler way to go would be to pay for real symmetrical OC-x connections to the internet, and offer people real symmetrical service, with no port blocking. Once the symmetry is brought back, people will be better able to run their own servers, and therefore distribute whatever content they see fit. i.e. we need a non-evil ISP, rather than a whole new infrastructure built on top of evil ISPs and their limitations.
Routing will be different. Right now, static routes are good enough, but I've been working on a new routing protocol to take advantage of all this.
My point is that it seems inherent in your design that addresses cannot form any sort of hierarchy. And having every node have to know the route for every address individually is obviously just not going to scale. And you can't ask some central location which route to use, because then it would have to have global knowledge of the network, which you also don't want.
I just don't understand how you expect to route packets with any sort of efficiency, and if you can't do that, you can't get off the ground.
Oh man. That Metanet thing is crazy. And not in a good way.
Just a quick few examples of the overall wrongness, which I don't feel like getting into quite yet:
- Don't post this to slashdot. You will murder my cable modem. Yet you are posting this to slashdot yourself.
- How do you propose to do address routing?? I assume when you're talking about IPv4/6, you're talking about assigning new numbers for 'within' the Metanet. IP routing is only manageable because it's hierarchical. Which your network specifically is not. And how does a router know which link is 'closer' to a given address??
- Haven't you read the research on gnutella?? Or tried using it? Or WASTE, for that matter? They don't scale well. At all. And they're not even trying to reimplement all the core services of the net.
Exactly. A very, very tiny percentage of the population owns the vast majority of stock out there. That means that they are the ones who say what goes, and the rest of the people can suck it.
The thing is there's a LOT of stock owned by individuals, most of whom chuck out their yearly reports, and never bother to vote at the meetings, etc., etc. Unless the stock goes down, in which case all of a sudden they're jonesin' for a class action lawsuit. The apathy of the many is what allows the few to control. A (male) friend of mine claimed the chair of the women's committee seat at my university (of 20 000 people), because no one else wanted it, and got a $500 salary for it. All he had to do was get his friends to show up and vote. I think this happens on much larger scales as well (e.g. national elections, obviously).
Except, where are you going to get the capital to do that? From working? Nope, the jobs are offshored, so that's a no go.
There are a lot of jobs that can never, ever be offshored. The service industry, repairmen, delivery, custom installs, construction, etc. A common thread I found in the offshoring responses was people who went and got mortgages and expensive cars they couldn't really afford, didn't save/invest any money, and now they're fucked and pissed off. But they just didn't live within their means. Haven't you ever heard of The Wealthy Barber??
So you're saying that each of the several hundred million people living in the US can buy up enough stock with their meager wealth to get enough income for the rest of their lives? You're dreaming.
The crazy thing about money is that it creates more money. Value gets created. Also...because offshoring means producing things is cheaper, it lowers the barriers of entry. So you friend who has this great idea but needs people to implement it can now get a few tens of thousands together from a relatively small number of people (including you), and then ideally you all make a good return. And you make more money with less effort than you would have doing the job yourself. Rather than just VCs making money, everyone can get a larger chunk of initial investment in something because startup cost becomes so low.
Also, note that in the end the market ALWAYS goes up. And the more money people put in, the more it goes up. It's not a zero sum game. Everyone could be making money off of it. Wealth creates more wealth when it changes hands.
Incidentally, this is the main reason I'm pissed off about Microsoft - that $50 billion dollar cash store. How much is that fucking up the economy, having that all locked up?? Imagine the results if they poured that money into investments. There's no way they'd lose, lots of people would make more money, and then they would be able to buy more from Microsoft. THAT'S what the next anti-trust settlement should be, I think, force them to spend their money.
Except with business, it's just some people who have the power. They can change things in ways that affect other people, except those others have no say in the matter. With the government, on the other hand, there's at least some accountability to all the people, in the form of elections.
Who do you think shareholders are?? The people business is accountable to! And if you work really hard and do well and don't get promoted because of your 'anti-evil' views? Sue! It's the American Dream!
I saw an interesting post a while ago about how it's fine if everything gets outsourced, because we can all just invest in those companies and make money without doing work! That's how the rich do it, and that's what other people can do, to, with a little research.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely against a lot of the things corporations do, but it's nothing people can't change with their dollars and their actions and their work, if they really, really cared. That's why Sony knew they could put out Rage Against the Machine albums, and how Michael Moore keeps getting corporate distribution (Disney notwithstanding). Even though the material is against what they do, they know people will be momentarily outraged, then just go back to their lives.
You're way over complicating it. Time has shown all you really need is a message box saying "Do you want to install Captain Destructo 8000 [Yes] [No]".
But the virus would eventually stop spreading once all infectable hosts had been destroyed. Whereas even the oldest net worms are still causing nuisance traffic on the net, wasting bandwidth the rest of us could be using.
Watch CNN one evening and you'll see what I mean. No reports on, say, technical issues or reports about decreasing crime (or very short ones), but long, horrible reports on death and sex and health risks that are blown way out of proportion.
Ha. If you're lucky. The last two times I've flipped by CNN they were 1) talking endlessly about the Friends finale on "CNN People" and 2) having one of their reporters try firebreathing. Man that channel sucks.
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Wrong. When is the last time you noticed the sun failed to come up (yes you still get power in overcast conditions). Further, home PV systems are designed using statistic based on the past 30 years of weather data (see rredc.nrel.gov/solar/). Ask somebody with PV, their power is WAY more reliable than the grid. In fact, most of the comminucation repeaters throughout the western US use PV for this reason.
This is more than a little disingenous. Communications long hual equipment requires 99.999% reliability. Which is why central offices (at least in Canada) use the grid, and banks of batteries to filter the power and buffer short outages, and fuel powered generators to charge the batteries/run the place and everybodies phone if there's a sustained outage. And they bring in truckload after truckload of fuel during outages, like the big one last summer.
The reason they use solar power for remote installations is that it's plainly easier to run them off solar than running power lines out to these locations. Don't pretend they wouldn't run lines there if it was at all feasible.
You might even notice other goods and services increase in cost. It's silly to think that the cost of electricity is only reflected in your electricity bill.
Similarily, rising fuel costs have increased the cost of public transportation, as well as train and airplane tickets. So even 'greener' options are going up in cost.
As just one example: How much would you pay to know that the power grid you hook up to isn't vulnerable to the sort of problem that hit the north-east US and southern Canada recently, or the rolling brownouts of California? Do you think your answer will stay the same for the next decade?
The cost is actually moving to Quebec or Texas, which have modern grids.
Quebec actually has some of the best laws/standards around. If it wasn't for all the wackos....
My understanding of X.org is that it's a free implementation of XFree86.
Ha! The irony is that X.org used to basically just define the X standard, and provide a reference implementation (that I gather wasn't all that good, or we'd all be using it). XFree86 was an implementation of that standard that got really popular when the X consortium fell out of favour.
Now, the worm has turned, and X.org forked XFree86, and basically turned it into their new reference implemenation. And are back to being the good guy, a la IBM.
I think: ... pixels of red, green, and blue material are applied.
... pixels of red, green, and blue emitting material are applied.
was supposed ot be:
Apparently the OLEDs themselves can be made transparent.
That's when you demand a refund. Or at least only buy one and test it first.
The original poster was talking about quot[ing] another source (regardless of who or where the quote came from)
i.e. including if the person wrote it themselves. You're the one who introduced the word plagiarism, whereas he was talking about reasons why copying your own work (or any others) wouldn't be allowed.
No...there's a 3rd reason - making sure you don't get credit multiple times for the same piece of work.
For instance, I couldn't use a co-op work term report later on as part of my final project.
Otherwise people could take a bunch of similar courses and not have to show the ability to write as many original papers as other people.
Not that people don't do this regularly, but it's specifically against almost ever Universities policies.
See...the problem here is not only did you continue to use the software, you paid to upgrade anybody even though the bugs weren't fixed. What incentive does this give a company (Borland), to change?
:)
On the other hand, I've used CBuilderX...and it seems vast improvement in usuability. I don't know about compiler bugs, but the pro version comes with about 300 other compilers as well, it would seem.
People don't talk about scurvey much these days, but it's still a very serious medical condition.
Check out the story on Snopes. Scurvy is near impossible to get, even with the worst diet.
Not that I'm saying other bad things can't happen to you if you cut out the fruit.
Cleanup after dinner only takes 15 minutes, and I cook and clean for myself and three kids.
Exactly! The thing I find is that I have no problem cooking/cleaning for multiple people, but just for myself it seems like a disproportionate amount of effort per meal. And you don't get the satisfaction of cooking for others.
They had to be able to launch in the event that one of the missle-men shot the other after all.
Uhhh..would you want the one who SHOT the other to be able to launch by himself? I'd hope not.
I'd imagine the work around would be going and getting someone else.
Aside from occasionally coming up with some cute, trendy toy to piss off AOL, could someone explain how exactly Justin Frankel is "prominent" in the "IT world"?
Anyone who went to university in the last 5 years has probably had WinAmp on their computer for at least 50% of that time. And a lot of them 100%.
Not to mention that Gnutella was the first non-centralized P2P protocol, and although it didn't work out all that well in the end, it provided a starting point for research in the real world.
And WASTE is just awesome.
Probabilites != percentages of infinite classes.
It certainly can't be a superset of C++ given that it lacks numerous features that C++ has (templates, multiple inheritance, etc)
It actually has templates now, as of 1.5 ('generics'). And when I tried to apply my Java learned OOP skills in C++ and started trying to make simple interfaces, I realized how fucking terrible multiple inheritance (at least in C++) is. "virtual public" inheritance?? Thank you, but no.
It is what people who work pay so that people who don't work can get money anyways.
Not to ruin the joke, but only people have have worked and paid EI are eligible to collect it.
Ah...I missed that you were using the 10.x.x.x space. But if you're running the addresses in a VPN, why do you need to bother with the private space? I haven't used VPN, really, so maybe that's a requirement.
My concern about the up/down choice, which I forgot to write in, is that you have to be careful to avoid routing loops, if it starts bouncing up and down. It's probably tractable...but it takes thinking.
As for the non-evil ISP....my point is if you get a bunch of people who are interested in that concept, you can run it as a co-op. Raw bandwidth is getting remarkably cheap. I live in Ottawa, and our electric company has used their rights of way to lay fibre for this: Telecom Ottawa. If I ever get the money/critical mass I'd love to get a hardcore connection from them.
Ummm....I understand that you need 18 (6 x 3) bits for the router's spatial address, so why isn't it a /18 subnet?? What are the other 8 bits for?
Is this going up on the website? What I read talked about hexagons, not 6 dimensions.
I could also see problems if a packet needs to go in say, the "positive A" direction, but it's A-most link is down. How does it choose between the other options to get around the blockage in a consistent way, if they're all equally spatially close?
Oh, and the other major problem that occurred to me sometime in the last hour, and what is the major problem with WASTE, is that most providers give you less upstream than downstream bandwidth. And with a multi-hop system like this your download speed is limited to the highest upload speed of any intervening link. So no one's going to be able to get downloads anything like what they're capable of.
I really think a better and simpler way to go would be to pay for real symmetrical OC-x connections to the internet, and offer people real symmetrical service, with no port blocking. Once the symmetry is brought back, people will be better able to run their own servers, and therefore distribute whatever content they see fit. i.e. we need a non-evil ISP, rather than a whole new infrastructure built on top of evil ISPs and their limitations.
Routing will be different. Right now, static routes are good enough, but I've been working on a new routing protocol to take advantage of all this.
My point is that it seems inherent in your design that addresses cannot form any sort of hierarchy. And having every node have to know the route for every address individually is obviously just not going to scale. And you can't ask some central location which route to use, because then it would have to have global knowledge of the network, which you also don't want.
I just don't understand how you expect to route packets with any sort of efficiency, and if you can't do that, you can't get off the ground.
Oh man. That Metanet thing is crazy. And not in a good way.
Just a quick few examples of the overall wrongness, which I don't feel like getting into quite yet:
- Don't post this to slashdot. You will murder my cable modem. Yet you are posting this to slashdot yourself.
- How do you propose to do address routing?? I assume when you're talking about IPv4/6, you're talking about assigning new numbers for 'within' the Metanet. IP routing is only manageable because it's hierarchical. Which your network specifically is not. And how does a router know which link is 'closer' to a given address??
- Haven't you read the research on gnutella?? Or tried using it? Or WASTE, for that matter? They don't scale well. At all. And they're not even trying to reimplement all the core services of the net.
Feel free to e-mail me if you want.
Exactly. A very, very tiny percentage of the population owns the vast majority of stock out there. That means that they are the ones who say what goes, and the rest of the people can suck it.
The thing is there's a LOT of stock owned by individuals, most of whom chuck out their yearly reports, and never bother to vote at the meetings, etc., etc. Unless the stock goes down, in which case all of a sudden they're jonesin' for a class action lawsuit. The apathy of the many is what allows the few to control. A (male) friend of mine claimed the chair of the women's committee seat at my university (of 20 000 people), because no one else wanted it, and got a $500 salary for it. All he had to do was get his friends to show up and vote. I think this happens on much larger scales as well (e.g. national elections, obviously).
Except, where are you going to get the capital to do that? From working? Nope, the jobs are offshored, so that's a no go.
There are a lot of jobs that can never, ever be offshored. The service industry, repairmen, delivery, custom installs, construction, etc. A common thread I found in the offshoring responses was people who went and got mortgages and expensive cars they couldn't really afford, didn't save/invest any money, and now they're fucked and pissed off. But they just didn't live within their means. Haven't you ever heard of The Wealthy Barber??
So you're saying that each of the several hundred million people living in the US can buy up enough stock with their meager wealth to get enough income for the rest of their lives? You're dreaming.
The crazy thing about money is that it creates more money. Value gets created. Also...because offshoring means producing things is cheaper, it lowers the barriers of entry. So you friend who has this great idea but needs people to implement it can now get a few tens of thousands together from a relatively small number of people (including you), and then ideally you all make a good return. And you make more money with less effort than you would have doing the job yourself. Rather than just VCs making money, everyone can get a larger chunk of initial investment in something because startup cost becomes so low.
Also, note that in the end the market ALWAYS goes up. And the more money people put in, the more it goes up. It's not a zero sum game. Everyone could be making money off of it. Wealth creates more wealth when it changes hands.
Incidentally, this is the main reason I'm pissed off about Microsoft - that $50 billion dollar cash store. How much is that fucking up the economy, having that all locked up?? Imagine the results if they poured that money into investments. There's no way they'd lose, lots of people would make more money, and then they would be able to buy more from Microsoft. THAT'S what the next anti-trust settlement should be, I think, force them to spend their money.
Except with business, it's just some people who have the power. They can change things in ways that affect other people, except those others have no say in the matter. With the government, on the other hand, there's at least some accountability to all the people, in the form of elections.
Who do you think shareholders are?? The people business is accountable to! And if you work really hard and do well and don't get promoted because of your 'anti-evil' views? Sue! It's the American Dream!
I saw an interesting post a while ago about how it's fine if everything gets outsourced, because we can all just invest in those companies and make money without doing work! That's how the rich do it, and that's what other people can do, to, with a little research.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely against a lot of the things corporations do, but it's nothing people can't change with their dollars and their actions and their work, if they really, really cared. That's why Sony knew they could put out Rage Against the Machine albums, and how Michael Moore keeps getting corporate distribution (Disney notwithstanding). Even though the material is against what they do, they know people will be momentarily outraged, then just go back to their lives.
You're way over complicating it. Time has shown all you really need is a message box saying "Do you want to install Captain Destructo 8000 [Yes] [No]".
But the virus would eventually stop spreading once all infectable hosts had been destroyed. Whereas even the oldest net worms are still causing nuisance traffic on the net, wasting bandwidth the rest of us could be using.
Watch CNN one evening and you'll see what I mean. No reports on, say, technical issues or reports about decreasing crime (or very short ones), but long, horrible reports on death and sex and health risks that are blown way out of proportion.
Ha. If you're lucky. The last two times I've flipped by CNN they were 1) talking endlessly about the Friends finale on "CNN People" and 2) having one of their reporters try firebreathing. Man that channel sucks.