All you have to do is play off the weaknesses of the current p2p models and they'd be set. Lord knows their's plenty of them.
1) Consistent high download speeds. 2) What you see is what you get downloads, ie; ensuring their quality (no cracks, loops, hiss, bogus files, etc). 3) Stable downloads. No "need more sources", "qued" and all of that BS. 4) No sideband search traffic or p2p downloaders sucking up my bandwidth.
The only reason why we use p2p is because it's the only option anymore, not because it's good. But to these three, you have to add:
5) Downloaders rights. You pay for a song/subscription, it's yours to copy, burn, etc. Some services erase your archive or it becomes useless if you quit their service. Funny, but I don't see the repo man coming after my T3 magazines if I don't renew. I bought it, it's mine.
If you combined these with a reasonable download price, and maybe some extra goodies thrown in for your patronage, then I'm betting you'd actually have a snowballs chance of grabbing a large share of the legal market. It'll happen eventially, but damn, they are seriously behind the curve.
Sadly, HMV is not an American franchise. Granted, I'd kill to see on of them stateside, but I know from experience they're all over SE Asia. They are so much better than our chains it's pathetic... sigh
While still surviving in it;) On a side note- How did everybody else go about developing spears and blades fo hunting and combat while the aboriginies came up with a revolving, self return airfoil as a weapon? Simulate that.
"Right now we're focused on making Doom 3 a kickass, over the top single player game."
I think that's what they said about Quake 3 until UT mangled, stomped and otherwise owned it's ass. And I do have issues with any p2p model despite being told not to worry. Because p2p sucks. We use it for music because it's the only thing that the RIAA can't really kill outright, not because it's good. It's slow, it's spotty. It's also a bandwidth hog. You're never guaranteed in getting consistent results. I don't like p2p. maybe since it's only used for finding games it'll be different, but I'm looking at the current p2p models and they are all substandard for what they do.
Yep, I can't say I've recalled any game that scared the crap out of me quite as badly as Quake did that night I was playing the shareware version, lights low and amp cranked. Just got to the end of the level and there was nifty pressure plate in a stone courtyard with two big blocks next to it. Yes, we all knew something was going to happen when you stepped on it... (step)click(/step), spin around look and look for the monster. No Monster, but the blocks were floating... Hey, they're going to the indentures in the gate. Maybe that's the way out... click!RwRRRROOOOoooRRRW!!! "Eeeeeek" *munch, munch, munch*...
The sequels just haven't done the original justice.
So if I pick the lock on the front of your house and start rifling through your belongs without my permission, it's "ok" as long as there was no harm done in the process? Let's go one step further. Let's say my house is unlocked. Or that you "found" a key to my house. What F%^$@# right do you have to enter my house without my consent? YOU DON'T. You are going to get the police called on you and arrested. That's if your lucky enough not to be shot by me in the process. "Curiosity is my only crime!" No, breaking an entering or unauthorized entry or trespassing is your crime. Oh, and that of being a dumbass.
Actually, that was all very convincing. Not 100%, but something more to chew on than 80% of the comments posted. IF time travel were possible, the man is right, their'd be a temporal race of epic porportions and we probably wouldn't just enounter just ourselves, but multiple other factions and species warring over the same fulcrums in time. Maybe there would be police that would "put things right", but if you use any form of law enforcement as an example, it's nowhere near 100% effective. Time would be majorly screwed up. Surely we'd be finding pulse rifles and tacheon cannons fossilized in the ground or something.
But...
Just because we haven't see anything doesn't mean it can't or hasn't happened. I'm assuming a war like this would be highly destructive and create multiple paradoxes during the length of the war (assuming there was one). Obviously, time continues to trek regardless. I would think that when a paradox is created, enough random chance exists in the universe to where the events that cause the paradox are eventially (after a couple billion timeline recycles) circumvented. Maybe through a change in the species evolution, or maybe they didn't carry the two when building their time machine. Don't know, but perhapse the timeline would naturally heal through random chance.
In the end, I'm inclined to agree with the parent. Either it's never going to happen, or it already has and we'll never know about it.
Yeah, Go on. Explore my house without my permission. You're going to get shot, Mr "Curiousity is my only crime". Oh, that's right... Hackers that do that shit are somehow morally exempt from the laws that govern everbody eles. Pardon me for the lack of sympathy.
Flamebait? Troll? What good is Karma if you don't use it?
Free love, free speech and free downloads, man... Just we'll forget to bention that back in the good ol' days the internet was primarily used as a DoD line of communication that couldn't be interupted. Yeah, fight the power!
You're right for the most part. I think a lot of people would do the right thing, but you have to make it super easy and super benefical to them in doing so. "Free" is a tough bargain to beat, however, especially when the consumer already thinks they're being reipped off.. How do you combat it? You have to provide something the pirates (speaking as one) can't.
Unregulated P2P Benefits 1) Free music 2) No restrictions on media use 3) Massive archive (user supported)
Nothing "the Man" is willing to field right now can stand against any of that, because their systems are the total anti-thesis of what people want. The music costs, there are normally assnine restrictions place on it's use and the archive is limited to whatever the specific label supports. It's like they're not even trying to compete. If they want to win this, they need to play off the weaknesses of the current unregulated P2P models...
1) Pop-ups, spyware and banners. 2) Marginal connections to service and downloads (slow, need more sources, etc) 3) Questionable quality (partial songs, poor quality, skipping, etc)
Like you, I still think people would do the right thing... If you showed them you were willing to work with them and not lighten their pocketbooks at every opportunity. I'd pay for a stable, reliable high speed connection whose songs were guaranteed to be what they say they are and were of a consistent quality. Nobody tracking my surfing, using my PC cycles, blasting me with banners, clogging my connection with other P2P connections. Pay my subscription, turn it on, download what I want and (most importantly) do whatever I want with it. No proprietary music formats here. If I quit my subscription, I still want to be able to read the magazines I bought. Of course, the labels would have to cooperate to get the most coverage of songs, even if they were on different systems... Maybe a slight increase for "importing" another labels songs.
I guess it's like issuing 12 life sentances. but really, I don't think even the tobacco companies were fined this much. While I'm no law expert, I can't recall any case that has successfully closed anywhere near that number. Dissolve the company? Yes. Will the money break down anywhere near those increments? Not a chance. Still, you're right. They definitley screwed themselves.
And to the moderator; Flaimbait? So which part of the statement was irrelevant? The over-inflated 2.2 Trillion, that slashdot posted this sensationalism or the fact that the courts will never see that number? I see the light, and it's leaking out somebodies ass...
2.2 Trillion? Let's try not to pass such a theoretical number off as fact in this lawsuit. I was going to say I was surprised Slash would post that kind of sensationalism, but then reality hit. Back here in the real world, we all know damn well that that number will ever see the light of day in this suit, let alone be awarded as a settlement. Try again, Tex.
Slashdot Eds... Will you PLEASE stop posting stories from any person touting uncopiable CDs, especially when they can be read by a normal CDROM for cryin' out loud. You have a brain, right? I mean really, now. Those words alone should alert you that the author is woefully uninformed... On a side note, how much is it going to produce this sort of disc anyway?
This is just the thing for a fledgling Chinese space program, doncha think? Actually, I'm surprised the man can't find a museum or some sort of park where he could rent this thing out. Not for actual missions, but still...
"Gee, Bob... What do we have in the script bin?" "Um... Don't know. Why don't you go look." "I chose the script last time." "No, I chose the script last time because the veiwers were complaining about your stupid temporal stories." "Hey, it was a good story!" "Hey, it was the twelth one this season" "Fine. But I beat you in foozball before lunch. You owe me." "Fine. Then we can start counting all the sodas you owe ME." "Hmmm... Well, I'm still not getting the script." "Neither am I." "A Q episode?" "Sure, why not?"
You're asking the writers to do something they never do in a Trek series... Character devlopement. Does a character go through a tramatic experience in Ep 21.1? Don't worry! He'll be back to his chipper self in 21.2! Events have no lasting effects on the characters. Their personalities are static. They don't grow, they don't develope. The only thing I ever saw come close was Picard with his Borg incident bothering him, but that was normally only when the story directly delt with the Borg in some way. They couldn't just have him wig out one ep with flashbacks as a minor part of the story, or be be hardened and emotionless in certain situations. Ok, I'm ranting, but the characters need to more dynamic, less 2D.
As far as Phlox goes, his roll is the same (token alien side-kick), but the personalities are different. Whether he should go through hell or not-- Sure, why not. Somebody in the series needs to. Besides, Slimey, acid producing alien encounters builds character. Like spinach.
Um, I like it. It's not a popular opinion here, but whatever. At least they finally got away from yet another wannabe orcastra piece. It has it's place, but not again....Dear Lord, NOT AGAIN!!!
"...and says he wishes the series would kill more people off like the original Star Trek"
HEAR, HEAR!! I've become a hardened cynic when it comes to Trek lately. It's been way too sanitised and this new series is no exception. If there was one series that could have benifited from a darker, more brooding plot, this is the one. I had originally envisioned Enterprise taking it's cues from America's blue water Navy during the American Revolution-- The Federation just stepping out onto the Frontier; Outgunned and woefully behind the technology curve, struggling to maintain soveignty amoung the stars. But what do we get? The bumbling crew of the first Enterpise that miraculously stumbles from one encounter to the next against vastly superior opponents and still manages to emerge in one piece. And to top that, they're already leaning on Trek's infamous temporal crutch, that way overused script idea. John is right-- This series needs to loose a few people as well as some major plot CPR. Sure, the Rombulans are coming (is it just me or is the Okuda time line just a bit out of sorts here?), but the way things are going now, it's going to be yet another ho-hum experience...
Finally, it's not entirely a haters club here. While I doubt the the person responsible will ever see this, major props to whomever designed the opening credits. I've heard complaints all day long here, but the opening is wonderfully poetic. Stylish. The sole spark of creativity in an otherwise bland series.
Besides the words "open source" being a sure-fire way of being posted on Slashdot, it's really a non-issue. Sure, you can limit hardware, but in doing so, you limit it's flexibility. The only way you're going to get people to jump on this bandwagon is to somehow limit their need for flexible hardware, and if your life revolves around computers, that's a bad thing and it's never going to happen. Moreover, the RIAA and friends aren't simply fighting a local battle-- It's fighting the world standard. Are they seriously going to begin restricting the import of "unregulated" hardware? Are they going to embargo foreign countries? The ability to enforce such restrictive hardware against an entrenched worldwide standard is far beyond the scope and abilites of "The Man". Forget about it. They've already castrated themselves.
Anybody can say they'll oppose the RIAA, but the really test comes when they are under actual legal obligation to let them have their way. What will they do when the shit hits the fan? Follow the moral obligtion or buckle under? In otherwords, talk's cheap.
Sure, it advances science. But damn, sombody is going to be rolling in fame and fortune. First, I'm sure the process is patented 5 ways to Sunday. Second, you can regulate the rarity of these animals... Zoos, museums and other attractions would pay huge for this sort of thing. Yeah, they're in it for the science, but being famous for creating the first prehistoric animal and making bank on top of it can't be a bad incentive either...
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But then, I never said it was a SE Asia company, just they are heavily entrenched there. But thanx for the clarification.
All you have to do is play off the weaknesses of the current p2p models and they'd be set. Lord knows their's plenty of them.
1) Consistent high download speeds.
2) What you see is what you get downloads, ie; ensuring their quality (no cracks, loops, hiss, bogus files, etc).
3) Stable downloads. No "need more sources", "qued" and all of that BS.
4) No sideband search traffic or p2p downloaders sucking up my bandwidth.
The only reason why we use p2p is because it's the only option anymore, not because it's good. But to these three, you have to add:
5) Downloaders rights. You pay for a song/subscription, it's yours to copy, burn, etc. Some services erase your archive or it becomes useless if you quit their service. Funny, but I don't see the repo man coming after my T3 magazines if I don't renew. I bought it, it's mine.
If you combined these with a reasonable download price, and maybe some extra goodies thrown in for your patronage, then I'm betting you'd actually have a snowballs chance of grabbing a large share of the legal market. It'll happen eventially, but damn, they are seriously behind the curve.
Sadly, HMV is not an American franchise. Granted, I'd kill to see on of them stateside, but I know from experience they're all over SE Asia. They are so much better than our chains it's pathetic... sigh
While still surviving in it ;) On a side note- How did everybody else go about developing spears and blades fo hunting and combat while the aboriginies came up with a revolving, self return airfoil as a weapon? Simulate that.
"Right now we're focused on making Doom 3 a kickass, over the top single player game."
I think that's what they said about Quake 3 until UT mangled, stomped and otherwise owned it's ass. And I do have issues with any p2p model despite being told not to worry. Because p2p sucks. We use it for music because it's the only thing that the RIAA can't really kill outright, not because it's good. It's slow, it's spotty. It's also a bandwidth hog. You're never guaranteed in getting consistent results. I don't like p2p. maybe since it's only used for finding games it'll be different, but I'm looking at the current p2p models and they are all substandard for what they do.
Yep, I can't say I've recalled any game that scared the crap out of me quite as badly as Quake did that night I was playing the shareware version, lights low and amp cranked. Just got to the end of the level and there was nifty pressure plate in a stone courtyard with two big blocks next to it. Yes, we all knew something was going to happen when you stepped on it... (step)click(/step), spin around look and look for the monster. No Monster, but the blocks were floating... Hey, they're going to the indentures in the gate. Maybe that's the way out... click! RwRRRROOOOoooRRRW!!! "Eeeeeek" *munch, munch, munch*...
The sequels just haven't done the original justice.
So if I pick the lock on the front of your house and start rifling through your belongs without my permission, it's "ok" as long as there was no harm done in the process? Let's go one step further. Let's say my house is unlocked. Or that you "found" a key to my house. What F%^$@# right do you have to enter my house without my consent? YOU DON'T. You are going to get the police called on you and arrested. That's if your lucky enough not to be shot by me in the process. "Curiosity is my only crime!" No, breaking an entering or unauthorized entry or trespassing is your crime. Oh, and that of being a dumbass.
Actually, that was all very convincing. Not 100%, but something more to chew on than 80% of the comments posted. IF time travel were possible, the man is right, their'd be a temporal race of epic porportions and we probably wouldn't just enounter just ourselves, but multiple other factions and species warring over the same fulcrums in time. Maybe there would be police that would "put things right", but if you use any form of law enforcement as an example, it's nowhere near 100% effective. Time would be majorly screwed up. Surely we'd be finding pulse rifles and tacheon cannons fossilized in the ground or something.
But...
Just because we haven't see anything doesn't mean it can't or hasn't happened. I'm assuming a war like this would be highly destructive and create multiple paradoxes during the length of the war (assuming there was one). Obviously, time continues to trek regardless. I would think that when a paradox is created, enough random chance exists in the universe to where the events that cause the paradox are eventially (after a couple billion timeline recycles) circumvented. Maybe through a change in the species evolution, or maybe they didn't carry the two when building their time machine. Don't know, but perhapse the timeline would naturally heal through random chance.
In the end, I'm inclined to agree with the parent. Either it's never going to happen, or it already has and we'll never know about it.
Yeah, Go on. Explore my house without my permission. You're going to get shot, Mr "Curiousity is my only crime". Oh, that's right... Hackers that do that shit are somehow morally exempt from the laws that govern everbody eles. Pardon me for the lack of sympathy.
Flamebait? Troll? What good is Karma if you don't use it?
Free love, free speech and free downloads, man... Just we'll forget to bention that back in the good ol' days the internet was primarily used as a DoD line of communication that couldn't be interupted. Yeah, fight the power!
You're right for the most part. I think a lot of people would do the right thing, but you have to make it super easy and super benefical to them in doing so. "Free" is a tough bargain to beat, however, especially when the consumer already thinks they're being reipped off.. How do you combat it? You have to provide something the pirates (speaking as one) can't.
Unregulated P2P Benefits
1) Free music
2) No restrictions on media use
3) Massive archive (user supported)
Nothing "the Man" is willing to field right now can stand against any of that, because their systems are the total anti-thesis of what people want. The music costs, there are normally assnine restrictions place on it's use and the archive is limited to whatever the specific label supports. It's like they're not even trying to compete. If they want to win this, they need to play off the weaknesses of the current unregulated P2P models...
1) Pop-ups, spyware and banners.
2) Marginal connections to service and downloads (slow, need more sources, etc)
3) Questionable quality (partial songs, poor quality, skipping, etc)
Like you, I still think people would do the right thing... If you showed them you were willing to work with them and not lighten their pocketbooks at every opportunity. I'd pay for a stable, reliable high speed connection whose songs were guaranteed to be what they say they are and were of a consistent quality. Nobody tracking my surfing, using my PC cycles, blasting me with banners, clogging my connection with other P2P connections. Pay my subscription, turn it on, download what I want and (most importantly) do whatever I want with it. No proprietary music formats here. If I quit my subscription, I still want to be able to read the magazines I bought. Of course, the labels would have to cooperate to get the most coverage of songs, even if they were on different systems... Maybe a slight increase for "importing" another labels songs.
I know, naive, wild-eyed visions of grandure...
I guess it's like issuing 12 life sentances. but really, I don't think even the tobacco companies were fined this much. While I'm no law expert, I can't recall any case that has successfully closed anywhere near that number. Dissolve the company? Yes. Will the money break down anywhere near those increments? Not a chance. Still, you're right. They definitley screwed themselves.
And to the moderator; Flaimbait? So which part of the statement was irrelevant? The over-inflated 2.2 Trillion, that slashdot posted this sensationalism or the fact that the courts will never see that number? I see the light, and it's leaking out somebodies ass...
2.2 Trillion? Let's try not to pass such a theoretical number off as fact in this lawsuit. I was going to say I was surprised Slash would post that kind of sensationalism, but then reality hit. Back here in the real world, we all know damn well that that number will ever see the light of day in this suit, let alone be awarded as a settlement. Try again, Tex.
Slashdot Eds... Will you PLEASE stop posting stories from any person touting uncopiable CDs, especially when they can be read by a normal CDROM for cryin' out loud. You have a brain, right? I mean really, now. Those words alone should alert you that the author is woefully uninformed... On a side note, how much is it going to produce this sort of disc anyway?
Anybody who's a slash regular is gonna know. Have some faith.
Now all they need to do is but a candy coating on it to make it look pretty and less intimidating to the average user to use.
This is just the thing for a fledgling Chinese space program, doncha think? Actually, I'm surprised the man can't find a museum or some sort of park where he could rent this thing out. Not for actual missions, but still...
...Or have some poor intern chained to a filing cabinet whose sole job is to keep track of the Trek timeline. I've heard of worse jobs for em...
Yep.
"Gee, Bob... What do we have in the script bin?"
"Um... Don't know. Why don't you go look."
"I chose the script last time."
"No, I chose the script last time because the veiwers were complaining about your stupid temporal stories."
"Hey, it was a good story!"
"Hey, it was the twelth one this season"
"Fine. But I beat you in foozball before lunch. You owe me."
"Fine. Then we can start counting all the sodas you owe ME."
"Hmmm... Well, I'm still not getting the script."
"Neither am I."
"A Q episode?"
"Sure, why not?"
You're asking the writers to do something they never do in a Trek series... Character devlopement. Does a character go through a tramatic experience in Ep 21.1? Don't worry! He'll be back to his chipper self in 21.2! Events have no lasting effects on the characters. Their personalities are static. They don't grow, they don't develope. The only thing I ever saw come close was Picard with his Borg incident bothering him, but that was normally only when the story directly delt with the Borg in some way. They couldn't just have him wig out one ep with flashbacks as a minor part of the story, or be be hardened and emotionless in certain situations. Ok, I'm ranting, but the characters need to more dynamic, less 2D.
As far as Phlox goes, his roll is the same (token alien side-kick), but the personalities are different. Whether he should go through hell or not-- Sure, why not. Somebody in the series needs to. Besides, Slimey, acid producing alien encounters builds character. Like spinach.
Um, I like it. It's not a popular opinion here, but whatever. At least they finally got away from yet another wannabe orcastra piece. It has it's place, but not again....Dear Lord, NOT AGAIN!!!
"...and says he wishes the series would kill more people off like the original Star Trek"
HEAR, HEAR!! I've become a hardened cynic when it comes to Trek lately. It's been way too sanitised and this new series is no exception. If there was one series that could have benifited from a darker, more brooding plot, this is the one. I had originally envisioned Enterprise taking it's cues from America's blue water Navy during the American Revolution-- The Federation just stepping out onto the Frontier; Outgunned and woefully behind the technology curve, struggling to maintain soveignty amoung the stars. But what do we get? The bumbling crew of the first Enterpise that miraculously stumbles from one encounter to the next against vastly superior opponents and still manages to emerge in one piece. And to top that, they're already leaning on Trek's infamous temporal crutch, that way overused script idea. John is right-- This series needs to loose a few people as well as some major plot CPR. Sure, the Rombulans are coming (is it just me or is the Okuda time line just a bit out of sorts here?), but the way things are going now, it's going to be yet another ho-hum experience...
Finally, it's not entirely a haters club here. While I doubt the the person responsible will ever see this, major props to whomever designed the opening credits. I've heard complaints all day long here, but the opening is wonderfully poetic. Stylish. The sole spark of creativity in an otherwise bland series.
Besides the words "open source" being a sure-fire way of being posted on Slashdot, it's really a non-issue. Sure, you can limit hardware, but in doing so, you limit it's flexibility. The only way you're going to get people to jump on this bandwagon is to somehow limit their need for flexible hardware, and if your life revolves around computers, that's a bad thing and it's never going to happen. Moreover, the RIAA and friends aren't simply fighting a local battle-- It's fighting the world standard. Are they seriously going to begin restricting the import of "unregulated" hardware? Are they going to embargo foreign countries? The ability to enforce such restrictive hardware against an entrenched worldwide standard is far beyond the scope and abilites of "The Man". Forget about it. They've already castrated themselves.
Anybody can say they'll oppose the RIAA, but the really test comes when they are under actual legal obligation to let them have their way. What will they do when the shit hits the fan? Follow the moral obligtion or buckle under? In otherwords, talk's cheap.
Sure, it advances science. But damn, sombody is going to be rolling in fame and fortune. First, I'm sure the process is patented 5 ways to Sunday. Second, you can regulate the rarity of these animals... Zoos, museums and other attractions would pay huge for this sort of thing. Yeah, they're in it for the science, but being famous for creating the first prehistoric animal and making bank on top of it can't be a bad incentive either...