Are we supposed to feel sorry that Microsoft can't hit their sales targets? Maybe if they stopped "innovating" their UIs and overall UE, they'd find more eager and rapid corporate adoption.
OK lets test that. We just had a release of Windows 8 which was a major UI shift. During the period of the shift there was a huge opportunity for people to stock up on Windows 7 which kept the Aero interface. There was no spike in sales.
You're going about it wrong.
Would there be a SPIKE in sales? Nope. As noted, there's a general falloff in PC sales happening right now. The market is saturated with relatively powerful systems that are already gross overkill for the tasks to which they're set.
Now, look at the flip side of this.
Has there been a DOWNWARD spike in Win7 sales that would suggest, even peripherally, that Windows 8 is eating into those sales?
Don't worry, I won't hold my breath until you conclude, properly, that the answer is "no", and I'm quite patient. Take your time...
Invest millions or billions into infrastructure? Why would they want to do something like that when they can just sit back and milk profits on what they have now?
The thing is, there IS a call for this kind of connection. But not when:
A: They want to charge $200 for a 50 megabit connections as-is. B: They're capping data either way. C: They're forcing you to pay even MORE by bundling their TV and phone service in. Look at the prices for their bundles. Now try to find the prices for the stand-alone internet. D: Their customer and technical service is, even at it's most kindly-description, shit-tastic.
With the kind of pricing scheme they have now, they'd want $500-600/month MINIMUM for gig service.
At that kind of price point, yeah. There's no demand. Nobody's stupid enough to pay that.
So you're going to stand by the faulty notion that the sheer cost and ongoing expense of labor in this country, driven by unions, hasn't played a part in these corporations' decision to simply move someplace cheaper?
If given a choice between making $20 an hour and having a job or demanding $30 and hour and having no job because the employer decided to do it cheaper overseas, which would you PREFER?
Sorry to pop your little balloon. My father, grandfather, and uncle were IEUC Local 2 elevator workers here in Chicago. I got to see, for 27 years, how the union fucked over my father. But my grandfather and uncle, nice guys both, but alcoholics (who showed up on the job blitzed), coasted through because they were in the old boys' club.
My brothers both worked for unions as well. UFCW Local 881. The only "benefit" they ever saw was a smaller paycheck.
As for me. Let's just say I'm much more familiar with union nursing than you. As for right now, I'll just say that I'm an IT worker and prefer to avoid unionization at all costs. There's just no benefit in it.
All your "examples" are pointless. The groups you specify as unionized aren't universally unionized. And those that are (or nearly so) are unionized as a matter of history. You fail, utterly, to address my point that unions provide little to no tangible benefit to their members, nor the employers nowadays. They're just an extra hand in the till.
So before you start dropping assumptions about ignorance and arrogance, and other trollish behavior, I suggest you look in a mirror child.
The main problem is that most unions are about nepotism and self-perpetuation nowadays.
They don't really provide all that much protection to workers anymore. And they don't provide all that much help in collective bargaining with owners anymore. They have their nice, rigid little idea of the way things "ought to be" with a bunch of leeches falling between the cracks while other, honest, hardworking members get shafted. Why?
The three tier structure in most unions.
The union leaders, "Old Boys' Club" (who are in good with the former), and "Those other peons" (who aren't in good with the former). Each tier being an order or two of magnitude larger than the one preceding it.
So you get guys whose job it is to stuff their thumbs up their asses all day and do nothing, getting paid huge sums compared to the union average. Then you get the guys who know them who get the "supervisor" positions. Again, full time, much higher wages than the average. Then you get pretty much everyone else. The poor schlub who's just there to do his job as best he can. Who doesn't happen to fit in to the social group. The guys who're constantly off work because "there's no work". Or they're being replaced by someone with more clout.
Fuck unions.
At one point, they were a good and useful thing in this country.
Nowadays, they're just an extra hand out looking for more money who provide no service.
OMFG! Our universe is going to puff out like a fart in a car in tens of billions of years!
What is the president and Congress going to do about this looming catastrophe?
I need to feel safe from this NOW!
HALP!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
-- Brought to you by Terminally Helpless Excessively Dependent Imbeciles Persons Surrendering Heaps of Independence To Strangers (THEDIPSHITS) of America
I'm talking about stupidly simple things. Like them REMOVING ALL THE KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS for things like copying and pasting.
In Win8, you're FORCED to use the UI for this crap now. Taking 2-3x as long, because you have to navigate through the UI (not just see the button and click) to get to the functions.
Total, absolute, unadulterated bullshit. First to last.
Tyranny of the majority is the reason to avoid a republic and a pure popular vote. That is to say, people need adult supervision, and there's a reason we have a republic instead of a democracy.
Uhm. Tyranny of the majority is a reason to avoid pure democracies.
They don't have the right to spend government money spreading lies this way.
Because that's essentially what this is.
What next? Teaching of phrenology and research into bodily humors alongside medical training? The theraputic values of regular bleeding and other assorted quackery?
This is why, no matter how well trained you get security, social engineering attempts like this will succeed more often than not.
As long as the security is better trained than the social engineer, this will not succeed.
Sorry. But it's not only a matter of training. You can train people all day, every day to eat breathe and live this stuff. And, given the proper environment, it STILL all goes out the window and they default to social indoctrination.
People are pretty much indoctrinated since birth to try to get along. So if someone looks authoritative, there's a default reaction to simply go with it.
Something that can be easily changed with training.
*Easily* huh? I believe your idea of *easy* and mine are two COMPLETELY different things. And, again, it's not merely all about training.
There's only so many things a person can pay strict attention to at a time. Eventually they're going to reach the limit of things they can keep straight in their heads. And openings in their awareness will occur.
The human brain does not work that way. With increasing complexity, the human brain groups patterns of actions into one and there is no shown limit of how much stimulus a human brain can handle in this way.
With increasing complexity, the human brain groups patters of actions into one. Which means they lose to stimulus saturation. Reacting automatically to a certain behavior type is how social engineers are able to bypass this type of security.
There's only so long that people can keep up such vigilance before they start relaxing. It's not laziness so much as stimulus saturation.
Again, that is not how the human brain and body works. Elite marathon runners can run at 12mph for 2-2.5 hours straight, a speed that most people cannot reach running or even if they do reach it, can only sustain it for a few seconds. With training, people can stay vigilant for hours. The gulf between a trained personnel and an average person is immense.
Sorry. But you don't know what you're talking about. This has nothing to do with physical exertion and is, in fact, NOTHING like this. Stimulus saturation, can set in, in certain environments, extremely quickly. Again, it has nothing to do with training.
I don't care how much money "security" firms and agencies throw at the situation. The only way to avoid it is to not have such events in the first place.
The solution is to train the security staff, analyze security holes and create training regimens to block those holes. This costs money and as long as the cost of training is more than the cost of social engineers conning their way through for a free show, such social engineering freebies will be tolerated.
You're wrong. Granted, training will work to LESSEN these types of incidents. But they won't "block" the kinds of gaps these sorts of situations create, and the very notion that the situation is "blockable" in the first place is laughter-inducing.. And anyone who tells you differently is basically bilking you for cash.
Unfortunately the weakest link is always going to be found in the form of huge sacks of protoplasm known as "people".
This is why, no matter how well trained you get security, social engineering attempts like this will succeed more often than not.
People are pretty much indoctrinated since birth to try to get along. So if someone looks authoritative, there's a default reaction to simply go with it.
There's only so many things a person can pay strict attention to at a time. Eventually they're going to reach the limit of things they can keep straight in their heads. And openings in their awareness will occur.
There's only so long that people can keep up such vigilance before they start relaxing. It's not laziness so much as stimulus saturation.
I don't care how much money "security" firms and agencies throw at the situation. The only way to avoid it is to not have such events in the first place.
They tried this with browsers. It was egregiously cumbersome and conditioned people to auto-click YES to everything.
They tried this with Windows. It's still egregiously cumbersome and is still just conditioning people to blindly auto-click YES to everything.
So...NOW...they're adding MORE crap to click YES automatically to?
Third time's the charm?
FUCK NO!
Three strikes and you're out fuckers!
Warning popups prevent a small amount of infestations up front. HOWEVER, down the road, as people get conditioned to the popups, they just click past without looking. Because the popups ARE IN THEIR WAY.
Adding a stupid popup is basically an admission that they're too goddamn stupid or lazy (or both) to secure their software properly. Or that their software is, inherently not secure or not able to BE secured.
At which point, it's crap that needs to be replaced with a better solution. Even if it means giving up the convenience of "Well this works right now".
First off, FUCK BUYING OFF THE SHELF SYSTEMS! All these brick and mortars are going to do is sell you a craptastic system at an inflated price. And of COURSE all they'll sell you is Windows 8.
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I think he probably ended up as part of the next daily special at the cantina...
"Why's this chili green?"
"Green peppers man!"
"Oh."
If prefer to avoid a false dichotomy thanks.
Tell that to the guys who used to work for Interstate Brands...
Are we supposed to feel sorry that Microsoft can't hit their sales targets? Maybe if they stopped "innovating" their UIs and overall UE, they'd find more eager and rapid corporate adoption.
OK lets test that. We just had a release of Windows 8 which was a major UI shift. During the period of the shift there was a huge opportunity for people to stock up on Windows 7 which kept the Aero interface. There was no spike in sales.
You're going about it wrong.
Would there be a SPIKE in sales? Nope. As noted, there's a general falloff in PC sales happening right now. The market is saturated with relatively powerful systems that are already gross overkill for the tasks to which they're set.
Now, look at the flip side of this.
Has there been a DOWNWARD spike in Win7 sales that would suggest, even peripherally, that Windows 8 is eating into those sales?
Don't worry, I won't hold my breath until you conclude, properly, that the answer is "no", and I'm quite patient. Take your time...
Of COURSE they're going to say this.
Invest millions or billions into infrastructure? Why would they want to do something like that when they can just sit back and milk profits on what they have now?
The thing is, there IS a call for this kind of connection. But not when:
A: They want to charge $200 for a 50 megabit connections as-is.
B: They're capping data either way.
C: They're forcing you to pay even MORE by bundling their TV and phone service in. Look at the prices for their bundles. Now try to find the prices for the stand-alone internet.
D: Their customer and technical service is, even at it's most kindly-description, shit-tastic.
With the kind of pricing scheme they have now, they'd want $500-600/month MINIMUM for gig service.
At that kind of price point, yeah. There's no demand. Nobody's stupid enough to pay that.
So you're going to stand by the faulty notion that the sheer cost and ongoing expense of labor in this country, driven by unions, hasn't played a part in these corporations' decision to simply move someplace cheaper?
If given a choice between making $20 an hour and having a job or demanding $30 and hour and having no job because the employer decided to do it cheaper overseas, which would you PREFER?
No. But they've assisted in gradually crashing local economies.
So there's an aggregate effect here.
And why has the US exported so many jobs to Mexico and the Far East?
Because some unionized broom-pusher in a factory is entitled to $30 an hour?
Do you even know anyone in a union? I doubt it.
Sorry to pop your little balloon. My father, grandfather, and uncle were IEUC Local 2 elevator workers here in Chicago.
I got to see, for 27 years, how the union fucked over my father.
But my grandfather and uncle, nice guys both, but alcoholics (who showed up on the job blitzed), coasted through because they were in the old boys' club.
My brothers both worked for unions as well. UFCW Local 881. The only "benefit" they ever saw was a smaller paycheck.
As for me. Let's just say I'm much more familiar with union nursing than you.
As for right now, I'll just say that I'm an IT worker and prefer to avoid unionization at all costs. There's just no benefit in it.
All your "examples" are pointless. The groups you specify as unionized aren't universally unionized. And those that are (or nearly so) are unionized as a matter of history. You fail, utterly, to address my point that unions provide little to no tangible benefit to their members, nor the employers nowadays. They're just an extra hand in the till.
So before you start dropping assumptions about ignorance and arrogance, and other trollish behavior, I suggest you look in a mirror child.
The main problem is that most unions are about nepotism and self-perpetuation nowadays.
They don't really provide all that much protection to workers anymore.
And they don't provide all that much help in collective bargaining with owners anymore.
They have their nice, rigid little idea of the way things "ought to be" with a bunch of leeches falling between the cracks while other, honest, hardworking members get shafted. Why?
The three tier structure in most unions.
The union leaders, "Old Boys' Club" (who are in good with the former), and "Those other peons" (who aren't in good with the former). Each tier being an order or two of magnitude larger than the one preceding it.
So you get guys whose job it is to stuff their thumbs up their asses all day and do nothing, getting paid huge sums compared to the union average.
Then you get the guys who know them who get the "supervisor" positions. Again, full time, much higher wages than the average.
Then you get pretty much everyone else. The poor schlub who's just there to do his job as best he can. Who doesn't happen to fit in to the social group. The guys who're constantly off work because "there's no work". Or they're being replaced by someone with more clout.
Fuck unions.
At one point, they were a good and useful thing in this country.
Nowadays, they're just an extra hand out looking for more money who provide no service.
OMFG! Our universe is going to puff out like a fart in a car in tens of billions of years!
What is the president and Congress going to do about this looming catastrophe?
I need to feel safe from this NOW!
HALP!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
--
Brought to you by Terminally Helpless Excessively Dependent Imbeciles Persons Surrendering Heaps of Independence To Strangers (THEDIPSHITS) of America
What mouse?
I'm talking about stupidly simple things. Like them REMOVING ALL THE KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS for things like copying and pasting.
In Win8, you're FORCED to use the UI for this crap now. Taking 2-3x as long, because you have to navigate through the UI (not just see the button and click) to get to the functions.
Total, absolute, unadulterated bullshit. First to last.
Hey Microsoft.
She's not doing you any favors here.
First, that hot mess that is the Office Ribbon.
Now the flaming, shit-covered mess of Metro.
How many more fucked-up interface choices are going to come on her watch? Costing you customers each and every time.
You guys currently have the underpinnings of a decent OS.
But your UI choices lately have people wondering if you got a bad batch of crack.
Fuck XBox, Fuck Touchscreens Everyplace. Give the user back their productive UI, keyboard shortcuts and all.
and black people hate change, and yellow people hate change, and red people hate change, and brown people hate change...
But those lousy, change-lovin' purple people! They gotta go man!
Call out the purple people eaters!
Should patent law protect stupid inventors from their own mistakes?
Tyranny of the majority is the reason to avoid a republic and a pure popular vote. That is to say, people need adult supervision, and there's a reason we have a republic instead of a democracy.
Uhm. Tyranny of the majority is a reason to avoid pure democracies.
Then what? Quarantine the state so none of these poor, benighted people who've been lied to and indoctrinated never come out and spread the idiocy?
If you support this you're an idiot.
They don't have the right to spend government money spreading lies this way.
Because that's essentially what this is.
What next?
Teaching of phrenology and research into bodily humors alongside medical training?
The theraputic values of regular bleeding and other assorted quackery?
No.
NO.
HELL FUCKING NO!
Color me unsurprised.
That's almost the first reaction that happens in cases of a breach.
In some cases, it's the correct approach.
In others, it's not.
That's not what I meant.
It's a way of saying that there is no easy or pat, acceptable answer to this.
As long as the security is better trained than the social engineer, this will not succeed.
Sorry. But it's not only a matter of training. You can train people all day, every day to eat breathe and live this stuff. And, given the proper environment, it STILL all goes out the window and they default to social indoctrination.
Something that can be easily changed with training.
*Easily* huh? I believe your idea of *easy* and mine are two COMPLETELY different things. And, again, it's not merely all about training.
The human brain does not work that way. With increasing complexity, the human brain groups patterns of actions into one and there is no shown limit of how much stimulus a human brain can handle in this way.
With increasing complexity, the human brain groups patters of actions into one. Which means they lose to stimulus saturation. Reacting automatically to a certain behavior type is how social engineers are able to bypass this type of security.
Again, that is not how the human brain and body works. Elite marathon runners can run at 12mph for 2-2.5 hours straight, a speed that most people cannot reach running or even if they do reach it, can only sustain it for a few seconds. With training, people can stay vigilant for hours. The gulf between a trained personnel and an average person is immense.
Sorry. But you don't know what you're talking about. This has nothing to do with physical exertion and is, in fact, NOTHING like this. Stimulus saturation, can set in, in certain environments, extremely quickly. Again, it has nothing to do with training.
The solution is to train the security staff, analyze security holes and create training regimens to block those holes. This costs money and as long as the cost of training is more than the cost of social engineers conning their way through for a free show, such social engineering freebies will be tolerated.
You're wrong. Granted, training will work to LESSEN these types of incidents. But they won't "block" the kinds of gaps these sorts of situations create, and the very notion that the situation is "blockable" in the first place is laughter-inducing.. And anyone who tells you differently is basically bilking you for cash.
Unfortunately the weakest link is always going to be found in the form of huge sacks of protoplasm known as "people".
This is why, no matter how well trained you get security, social engineering attempts like this will succeed more often than not.
People are pretty much indoctrinated since birth to try to get along. So if someone looks authoritative, there's a default reaction to simply go with it.
There's only so many things a person can pay strict attention to at a time. Eventually they're going to reach the limit of things they can keep straight in their heads. And openings in their awareness will occur.
There's only so long that people can keep up such vigilance before they start relaxing. It's not laziness so much as stimulus saturation.
I don't care how much money "security" firms and agencies throw at the situation. The only way to avoid it is to not have such events in the first place.
Don't you mean that's really "fracking" bad?
Sorry.
It doesn't happen that way.
It just doesn't.
They tried this with browsers. It was egregiously cumbersome and conditioned people to auto-click YES to everything.
They tried this with Windows. It's still egregiously cumbersome and is still just conditioning people to blindly auto-click YES to everything.
So...NOW...they're adding MORE crap to click YES automatically to?
Third time's the charm?
FUCK NO!
Three strikes and you're out fuckers!
Warning popups prevent a small amount of infestations up front.
HOWEVER, down the road, as people get conditioned to the popups, they just click past without looking. Because the popups ARE IN THEIR WAY.
Adding a stupid popup is basically an admission that they're too goddamn stupid or lazy (or both) to secure their software properly. Or that their software is, inherently not secure or not able to BE secured.
At which point, it's crap that needs to be replaced with a better solution. Even if it means giving up the convenience of "Well this works right now".
First off, FUCK BUYING OFF THE SHELF SYSTEMS! All these brick and mortars are going to do is sell you a craptastic system at an inflated price. And of COURSE all they'll sell you is Windows 8.
Dell
HP
Lenovo
Toshiba
Samsung
Sony
Sager You can still order their products with Win7. The configuration app gives you the option.
MSI MSI laptops still come with Win7. There's a push for Win8, but they come with Win7 by default.
Acer still sells Win7 laptops (just no way on the web to filter for them, so I can't provide a definitive link).
That should be enough to get you started.
Reach into your pocket and pull out some money.
That's essentially what these unaccountable, accident invoking driver distractions were doing.
From his G+ page: