This assumes there are no non-immediate benefits to the "do-it-yourself" process.
Yes, I could buy a pre-built system that is a buggy piece of shit that costs me time and money (and since time IS money to me, that's money^2) to keep operational.
Or I can build a system myself. Take a couple of valuable hours to do it RIGHT, with components and software I TRUST. Ammortized out over the 3-5 year lifespan of a computer, it's STILL cheaper for me to do it myself.
"Holy Bob! Will you look at the size of that tumor?" "It's not a tumah..*AHEM* It's not a tumah...DAMMIT! It's not a tumor." "Sure it is. Look at the size of it! And it shouldn't be there." "For him, that's natural." "Huh?" "That's the portion of the brain that controls the right index finger." "So?" "He's been an FPS gamer since age 7." "Ohhhhhhh." "Can you say RESEARCH GRANT?"
Yeah but the NSA, CIA and FBI aren't selling your secrets to your competitors. Or worse, setting a wholly-owned subsidiary up as a knockoff/competitor.
To be honest, in a lot of cases, I (and my brother) were completely out of control. And when I say completely, I MEAN *COMPLETELY*. The kind of behavior that's not acceptable ANYPLACE. The kind that gets you ejected from restaurants. The kind that has the police coming and talking to your parents. The kind that gets your parents called in to school for multiple parent-teacher conferences.
Yes, I've had a belt taken to me. At most, 2-3 whacks across the ass.
The only time I was ever beaten anyplace NEAR this badly was when my brother and I were caught playing out on the roof of our house. We scared my father so damn badly with that stunt that he smacked us silly.
Needless to say we never did that again.
The are times when a hand or belt across the backside is acceptable.
But the severity of the beating in this case is unlike ANYTHING I had as a child (and let's face it, I drove my parents NUTS, quite literally, my mother was a stone's-throw away from being committed a time or two).
And the whole bit about "You turn over and take it".
Like fucking hell! I'll be damned if I EVER give someone a free hand in beating me for prolonged periods. And I expect no less from ANYONE, adult or child.
If my parents had treated me like that, I'd have killed them. Flat out. No exceptions.
It's no wonder the girl grew up and became a vindictive little bitch.
When you discipline a child, you spank them at the time of the infraction. You link cause to effect. You don't "wait until dad gets home" then stage a beating. Even on a teenager. ESPECIALLY on a teenager. All you're teaching them at that point is that, if you're doing something wrong, it's okay to simply lash out at any time as "payback".
Giving the finger to naysayers, budget cutters and luddite schmucks for 20+ years (and going). Not to mention some absolutely MIND-BLOWING interstellar photography.
Theft and copying are second nature over there. As is graft.
One of my clients had their entire COMPANY cloned over there. They never produced anything there. They never outsourced anything there. They never even hired anyone from there. Someone simply set up a shadow company, expropriated all the logos, model names, etc and set themselves up in the business of building exact knockoffs.
It ran for nearly 3 years before someone over there screwed up and tried to be creative (by putting out a product line that wasn't a perfect knockoff). One day my customer gets a service call for a product line they don't produce. They go round and round with the people and finally dispatch a technician from their nearest office (Japan).
All that getting the authorities involved did was cause the company to simply move, change their name and continue making knockoffs. As long as someone's palm is being greased, they'll never be shut down for good.
Anyone even considering outsourcing ANYTHING to China nowadays is a fucking idiot.
BTW, if the prosecutor knows that the battery is done to stop a battery, and knows the law says that's legal, then it's not prosecutable in any sense other than the one in which any prosecutor can charge anyone with anything to waste the court's time and the state's money and ruin his own job rating. So no, it's not prosecutable. There'd have to be some nuance to the facts, like: dude says he thought it was a crime in progress but it wasn't.
Maybe not in criminal court. But he can still be prosecuted in civil court. Even if he wins, it'll still cost time and money.
Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery. So all one of these drunk little hooligans needed to do was tell the cop they wanted to press charges.
Not all battery is unjustified though.
Agreed!
Washington state law provides the use of force to prevent force, but only as long as that force is not an escalation of force. Thus, I can commit battery on you to keep you from committing battery on another person (so I can use it to prevent a crime) but I cannot commit battery with a weapon (mace/pepper spray) to keep you from committing unarmed battery on another person. That would be an escalation of force.
Also, the force needs to be no more than that necessary to stop the crime from occurring. (Namely, holding someone back is technically battery, but we all accept that it is reasonable application of force to stop someone from committing a serious crime.)
While I'm kind of down with Phoenix Jones, because the SPD really doesn't care about or care to respond to "petty" crime, he needs to have some legal training to understand why he cannot walk into a fight with pepper spray to break it up, and what his proper procedure should be to ensure he is operating within the law.
Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery.
Doing it to stop them from jumping on someone else is a legal justification.
True. But that doesn't mean it's not battery and not prosecutable.
If Jones has a fair court hearing, this should be an open and shut case with a dismissal or, at worst, a verbal reprimand.
I mean, let's face it. Most judges, even the ones that try to portray themselves as easy-going guys tend to be pretty straight-laced. So some guy running around in body armor and a mask is going to probably going to trip every one of his "I must lecture" triggers.
So you'd rather a crowd of people stand back when a gang is raping or mugging one innocent individual? Go look in the mirror. YOU are what's wrong with society.
Read what I said. That isn't what I said.
I said that jumping on someone, even for the right reasons, is still battery and is still prosecutable.
Be that as it may, in your narrowly defined situation, I'd probably jump on the SOB and try to chase him off. If I got arrested for battery, I'd deal with it and have no regrets.
If you're defending someone else, BY DEFINITION it's not "self defense" any more than having someone give you a lecture about bettering yourself is "self help".
And yes, it IS still battery. Sorry. The only differentiation factor here is that the cops weren't allowed to look the other way because the hooligans wanted to press charges.
Seriously. I understand what he's trying to do and "say".
In the society we currently inhabit, people are encouraged to be complete assholes to one another. As such, he was going to get arrested sooner or later for something like this.
Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery. So all one of these drunk little hooligans needed to do was tell the cop they wanted to press charges.
Slashdot Mirror
What did people THINK was going to happen when they signed up for Facebook and effectively dropped trou to the universe?
And expecting the grubby little data miners to play fair with people who they're making money off of?
Pfft! Yeah. What world are YOU from?
There's one solution to the problem of Facebook belching your data to whoever pays them their pound of flesh.
DON'T FUCKING SIGN UP FOR FACEBOOK IN THE FIRST PLACE!
That's like saying water's wet.
That's all PETA does.
Why the hell are you giving free slashvertisment to these rampant asshats?
Alex? Can I get "NO SHIT!" for a thousand?
It's only free if your time is worth nothing.
This assumes there are no non-immediate benefits to the "do-it-yourself" process.
Yes, I could buy a pre-built system that is a buggy piece of shit that costs me time and money (and since time IS money to me, that's money^2) to keep operational.
Or I can build a system myself. Take a couple of valuable hours to do it RIGHT, with components and software I TRUST. Ammortized out over the 3-5 year lifespan of a computer, it's STILL cheaper for me to do it myself.
"Holy Bob! Will you look at the size of that tumor?"
"It's not a tumah..*AHEM* It's not a tumah...DAMMIT! It's not a tumor."
"Sure it is. Look at the size of it! And it shouldn't be there."
"For him, that's natural."
"Huh?"
"That's the portion of the brain that controls the right index finger."
"So?"
"He's been an FPS gamer since age 7."
"Ohhhhhhh."
"Can you say RESEARCH GRANT?"
How do you know I don't work for Halliburton?
No way some code-loving low-number on /, could be a government "shill"?
Yeah but the NSA, CIA and FBI aren't selling your secrets to your competitors. Or worse, setting a wholly-owned subsidiary up as a knockoff/competitor.
With Adobe ending development of Flash for mobile browsers and Microsoft ending development of Silverlight, HTML5 video looks a lot more promising.
Actually, HTML5 looks to be the only option left because the competitors are committing hara-kiri. That doesn't mean it's "more promising".
I was spanked and beaten as a child.
To be honest, in a lot of cases, I (and my brother) were completely out of control. And when I say completely, I MEAN *COMPLETELY*. The kind of behavior that's not acceptable ANYPLACE. The kind that gets you ejected from restaurants. The kind that has the police coming and talking to your parents. The kind that gets your parents called in to school for multiple parent-teacher conferences.
Yes, I've had a belt taken to me. At most, 2-3 whacks across the ass.
The only time I was ever beaten anyplace NEAR this badly was when my brother and I were caught playing out on the roof of our house. We scared my father so damn badly with that stunt that he smacked us silly.
Needless to say we never did that again.
The are times when a hand or belt across the backside is acceptable.
But the severity of the beating in this case is unlike ANYTHING I had as a child (and let's face it, I drove my parents NUTS, quite literally, my mother was a stone's-throw away from being committed a time or two).
And the whole bit about "You turn over and take it".
Like fucking hell! I'll be damned if I EVER give someone a free hand in beating me for prolonged periods. And I expect no less from ANYONE, adult or child.
If my parents had treated me like that, I'd have killed them. Flat out. No exceptions.
It's no wonder the girl grew up and became a vindictive little bitch.
When you discipline a child, you spank them at the time of the infraction. You link cause to effect. You don't "wait until dad gets home" then stage a beating. Even on a teenager. ESPECIALLY on a teenager. All you're teaching them at that point is that, if you're doing something wrong, it's okay to simply lash out at any time as "payback".
Sound like her behavior in this case?
Giving the finger to naysayers, budget cutters and luddite schmucks for 20+ years (and going). Not to mention some absolutely MIND-BLOWING interstellar photography.
Definitely not bad for a girl with glasses.
Looking to get bribed to look the other way.
Theft and copying are second nature over there.
As is graft.
One of my clients had their entire COMPANY cloned over there. They never produced anything there. They never outsourced anything there. They never even hired anyone from there. Someone simply set up a shadow company, expropriated all the logos, model names, etc and set themselves up in the business of building exact knockoffs.
It ran for nearly 3 years before someone over there screwed up and tried to be creative (by putting out a product line that wasn't a perfect knockoff). One day my customer gets a service call for a product line they don't produce. They go round and round with the people and finally dispatch a technician from their nearest office (Japan).
All that getting the authorities involved did was cause the company to simply move, change their name and continue making knockoffs. As long as someone's palm is being greased, they'll never be shut down for good.
Anyone even considering outsourcing ANYTHING to China nowadays is a fucking idiot.
Of course, coal is a bit dirty
That's kinda like saying that cutting someone's heart out with a chainsaw is "kinda dangerous" for them.
They were factory mods!
This is heavy!
My bad! I am a bad Slashdotter!
And you're wrong! WRONG WRONG WRONG!
Because...uhhh...because...
*Looks at the BoFH calendar*
Because the moon is aligned with Mercury!
SO NYAH!
BTW, if the prosecutor knows that the battery is done to stop a battery, and knows the law says that's legal, then it's not prosecutable in any sense other than the one in which any prosecutor can charge anyone with anything to waste the court's time and the state's money and ruin his own job rating. So no, it's not prosecutable. There'd have to be some nuance to the facts, like: dude says he thought it was a crime in progress but it wasn't.
Maybe not in criminal court. But he can still be prosecuted in civil court. Even if he wins, it'll still cost time and money.
Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery. So all one of these drunk little hooligans needed to do was tell the cop they wanted to press charges.
Not all battery is unjustified though.
Agreed!
Washington state law provides the use of force to prevent force, but only as long as that force is not an escalation of force. Thus, I can commit battery on you to keep you from committing battery on another person (so I can use it to prevent a crime) but I cannot commit battery with a weapon (mace/pepper spray) to keep you from committing unarmed battery on another person. That would be an escalation of force.
Also, the force needs to be no more than that necessary to stop the crime from occurring. (Namely, holding someone back is technically battery, but we all accept that it is reasonable application of force to stop someone from committing a serious crime.)
While I'm kind of down with Phoenix Jones, because the SPD really doesn't care about or care to respond to "petty" crime, he needs to have some legal training to understand why he cannot walk into a fight with pepper spray to break it up, and what his proper procedure should be to ensure he is operating within the law.
Agreed as well.
Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery.
Doing it to stop them from jumping on someone else is a legal justification.
True. But that doesn't mean it's not battery and not prosecutable.
If Jones has a fair court hearing, this should be an open and shut case with a dismissal or, at worst, a verbal reprimand.
I mean, let's face it. Most judges, even the ones that try to portray themselves as easy-going guys tend to be pretty straight-laced. So some guy running around in body armor and a mask is going to probably going to trip every one of his "I must lecture" triggers.
So you'd rather a crowd of people stand back when a gang is raping or mugging one innocent individual? Go look in the mirror. YOU are what's wrong with society.
Read what I said. That isn't what I said.
I said that jumping on someone, even for the right reasons, is still battery and is still prosecutable.
Be that as it may, in your narrowly defined situation, I'd probably jump on the SOB and try to chase him off. If I got arrested for battery, I'd deal with it and have no regrets.
Please stop trying to pick an internet fight.
If you're defending someone else, BY DEFINITION it's not "self defense" any more than having someone give you a lecture about bettering yourself is "self help".
And yes, it IS still battery. Sorry. The only differentiation factor here is that the cops weren't allowed to look the other way because the hooligans wanted to press charges.
If it was felony battery they were committing then he should be OK on a citizen's arrest.
A citizen's arrest doesn't involve said citizen tackling people and spraying them down with pepper spray.
Seriously. I understand what he's trying to do and "say".
In the society we currently inhabit, people are encouraged to be complete assholes to one another. As such, he was going to get arrested sooner or later for something like this.
Jumping on someone to stop battery is, itself, battery. So all one of these drunk little hooligans needed to do was tell the cop they wanted to press charges.
Translation: They'll steal from anyone.
I sure feel lucky!
I guess Eve, Lillith and all the other woman-spawns out there are off the hook.
At least for now...
And it's not like Wikipedia, nor its "editors" are exactly "neutral" either.