Actually, the GPL does prevent you from adding auxiliary clauses or changing the GPL itself.
However, going back to the grandparent post, the GPL does disallow removal of copyright notices. A (small) part of the recent stinkup between Redhat and KDE indirectly dealt with this (removal of about kde menu items)..
> for the record, I call it "Linux", not "FNU/Linux" nor "GNU/Apache/X/Linux", since, although all these tools and more are part of Linux, Linux is Linux is Linux. Thanks for the work thus far in what you have contributed to LINUX.
Exactly, if Linus himself doesn't care about this, why should users?
> But from what I understand, you release the source code WITH the product, period. Maybe you can release it but make it simply available elsewhere but I dunno..
The second is correct. You can charge a reasonable amount of money for shipping and the cost of a cd, too. You don't have to put it on the net.
> SuSE are not exactly huge supporters of the GPL, what with a non-Free installer and configuration tools.
But they are heavy contributors in two of the largest free software projects in XFree86 (through Keith Packard, etc) and KDE (Waldo Bastian, Kurt Granroth, etc..) Of course, XFree86 is X11-licensed, and only parts of KDE are GPL, but the point is that SuSE makes many contributions to free software (The GPL doesn't matter here because SuSE doesn't release their installer under a X11 or BSD license either)
> Wasn't Ransom Love bashing the GPL a few years ago, while at Caldera and saying that the BSD license is better?
He said that the GPL was bad for buisness, but good for development. I wouldn't doubt that most other CEO's or CFO's would agree with him.
Does MacOSX still support it, or did Apple drop support of it?
The last time I used HFS with Linux, it was fine. Back then, there was NO HFS+ support in Linux, but apparently there is some now.
Another solution might be fat32... does MacOS have any support for it? I used to be able to use fat32 formatted zip drives way back when in classic MacOS. Unfortuantly, I don't have a mac anymore to test any of these things with.
plug-n-pray^H^H^Hlay is actually good in modern versions of Windows (XP) and MacOS (X). It's already been adopted by some of the major distros, and even partially by the kernel, but it needs to be seemlessly integrated.
> While not totally X-related, the split between KDE and Gnome is only making things more difficult. Competition generally benefits all, but it's creating a rift between an already niche market.
Agreed. It's UNIX Wars II. Before it was CDE versus OpenLook. Now it's KDE versus GNOME. There will be a winner in about 4 years, but by that time, the winner will be dead. History has a point of repeating itself, huh?
The only thing similiar between lindows' page and apple's is the tabs at the top. However, that's not that uncommon. They aren't even the style. Lindows' looks like a blend of aqua, luna, and kde3.1's keramik styles.
They don't have to offer it to you unless you fork 99$ for membership. Even then, they don't have to give a link to it in their page. They only have to do it upon request. Even then, they don't have to put the source on the internet. They could charge you $5 (or more) for distribution and shipping fees.
> But, Windows is still much easier despite various Linux vendors attemps to make Linux run just like Windows.
Have you actually used Lindows and compared it to WinXP. I haven't got a chance to try Lindows itself, but I've seen a demo of it, and it actually looks much simpler than WindowsXP.
I beleive it originated in MacOS 6.x. There was never a MacOS 6.1, but there were MacOS 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, 6.0.5, and 6.0.8, as far as I can remember.
It was probably the most used in the 7.1 series tho. As far as I can remember, there was 7.0.0-7.0.1, 7.1.0-7.1.2, 7.5.0-7.5.5, and 7.6.0-7.6.1.
So yeah, it has nothing to do with free/open software. In fact, my Macintosh IIci, bought in 1989 for $5000 (!), came with 6.0.3.
Of course India is 3rd world. In fact, it was India who coined the term during the non-aligned movement.
And, currently, Montana's per capita income is roughly ten times higher than India's. Also, it's literacy rate is about 30-40% (depending on the census year) higher.
> Israel is rumoured to have nuclear missiles capable of hitting anywhere on the planet and they have made themselves a lot more enemies than India.
And at the same time, Israel gets sold many missle defense technologies from the US, which they consequently sell to other countries (India being one of them).
Yes, but if a whole bunch of countries attacked the US at the same time, for a large period of time, the US would definatly lose.
Of course, I don't think this will happen, because the US is a huge economic power. Most countries aren't exactly scared of the US' military power compared to it's economic powers.
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Heh, what does this article have to do with GNOME?
They modified GNOME almost as much as they modified KDE. They only thing I personally want changed is the ability to go back to a default KDE. Apparently there is a gconf key which you can use to revert some of the changes they made to GNOME. There should be an equivlent way of doing it in KDE.
I'm sure some GNOME developers/users are less-than-enthusiastic as well. The major reason for mentioning number 3 is that KDE seems to pride itself with good integration, and has been historically more integrated as a desktop environment than something like GNOME.
I don't agree with what RedHat has done, but I both understand why they've done it and defend their right to do it.
The number one problem I see with much of the malinformed complaining by _some_ KDE users is that RedHat has it in for KDE. There is a significant portion of RedHat users who use KDE, and RedHat obviously doesn't want to piss them off. You are correct in saying that they did basically the same things to GNOME. I don't see why these complainers don't get this fact.
More troubling, however, is probably RedHat's renaming of service types to remove the "kde-" part. Not only are some of these changes flat out unnecessary, but can break third party applications.
Essentially, they are making it hard on themselves, because KDE 3.1 will come out soon, and you know KDE 3.2 is gonna come soon after that;)
in my school (georgia tech), we just use something called buzzsearch, it's a webbased windows shares/samba scanning/indexing/searching service. The source for it is available on sourceforge, so people at other schools can start their own services. So far, all p2p networks are allowed, including kazaa, imesh, gnutella, etc..
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Actually, the GPL does prevent you from adding auxiliary clauses or changing the GPL itself.
However, going back to the grandparent post, the GPL does disallow removal of copyright notices. A (small) part of the recent stinkup between Redhat and KDE indirectly dealt with this (removal of about kde menu items)..
> for the record, I call it "Linux", not "FNU/Linux" nor "GNU/Apache/X/Linux", since, although all these tools and more are part of Linux, Linux is Linux is Linux. Thanks for the work thus far in what you have contributed to LINUX.
Exactly, if Linus himself doesn't care about this, why should users?
> But from what I understand, you release the source code WITH the product, period. Maybe you can release it but make it simply available elsewhere but I dunno..
The second is correct. You can charge a reasonable amount of money for shipping and the cost of a cd, too. You don't have to put it on the net.
Offtopic, but I wanna give you props for making Andromeda. I've been using it for about 6 months and it's great :)
> SuSE are not exactly huge supporters of the GPL, what with a non-Free installer and configuration tools.
But they are heavy contributors in two of the largest free software projects in XFree86 (through Keith Packard, etc) and KDE (Waldo Bastian, Kurt Granroth, etc..) Of course, XFree86 is X11-licensed, and only parts of KDE are GPL, but the point is that SuSE makes many contributions to free software (The GPL doesn't matter here because SuSE doesn't release their installer under a X11 or BSD license either)
> Wasn't Ransom Love bashing the GPL a few years ago, while at Caldera and saying that the BSD license is better?
He said that the GPL was bad for buisness, but good for development. I wouldn't doubt that most other CEO's or CFO's would agree with him.
Pray tell, why couldn't the GPL and a NDA mix together?
The GPL gives special stipulations to non-public software.
Why not just format the drive as HFS (no plus).
Does MacOSX still support it, or did Apple drop support of it?
The last time I used HFS with Linux, it was fine. Back then, there was NO HFS+ support in Linux, but apparently there is some now.
Another solution might be fat32... does MacOS have any support for it? I used to be able to use fat32 formatted zip drives way back when in classic MacOS. Unfortuantly, I don't have a mac anymore to test any of these things with.
> In fact, most Windows installations are running without any updates!
Tell that to all the hapless winXP users who never turn off auto-update (on by default).
WindowsXP Home OEM is actually what most consumers have.
It's what, for example, Dell, Compaq/HP, IBM, gateway, etc.. bundle with their consumer line of PC's.
> Now they want a plug-n-pray config....
plug-n-pray^H^H^Hlay is actually good in modern versions of Windows (XP) and MacOS (X). It's already been adopted by some of the major distros, and even partially by the kernel, but it needs to be seemlessly integrated.
The linux desktop really needs this.
> While not totally X-related, the split between KDE and Gnome is only making things more difficult. Competition generally benefits all, but it's creating a rift between an already niche market.
Agreed. It's UNIX Wars II. Before it was CDE versus OpenLook. Now it's KDE versus GNOME. There will be a winner in about 4 years, but by that time, the winner will be dead. History has a point of repeating itself, huh?
The only thing similiar between lindows' page and apple's is the tabs at the top. However, that's not that uncommon. They aren't even the style. Lindows' looks like a blend of aqua, luna, and kde3.1's keramik styles.
They don't have to offer it to you unless you fork 99$ for membership. Even then, they don't have to give a link to it in their page. They only have to do it upon request. Even then, they don't have to put the source on the internet. They could charge you $5 (or more) for distribution and shipping fees.
:)
Point is, read the GPL
> But, Windows is still much easier despite various Linux vendors attemps to make Linux run just like Windows.
Have you actually used Lindows and compared it to WinXP. I haven't got a chance to try Lindows itself, but I've seen a demo of it, and it actually looks much simpler than WindowsXP.
I beleive it originated in MacOS 6.x. There was never a MacOS 6.1, but there were MacOS 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, 6.0.5, and 6.0.8, as far as I can remember.
It was probably the most used in the 7.1 series tho. As far as I can remember, there was 7.0.0-7.0.1, 7.1.0-7.1.2, 7.5.0-7.5.5, and 7.6.0-7.6.1.
So yeah, it has nothing to do with free/open software. In fact, my Macintosh IIci, bought in 1989 for $5000 (!), came with 6.0.3.
Welcome to capitalism. Who ever competes best wins.
In fact, in the end, it helps the US economy.
Yeah, I've gotten pretty much the same conclusions as you. Nimda is still very much alive, and codered(1/2) are practically dead.
Of course India is 3rd world. In fact, it was India who coined the term during the non-aligned movement.
And, currently, Montana's per capita income is roughly ten times higher than India's. Also, it's literacy rate is about 30-40% (depending on the census year) higher.
Yeah, jeez. Indians=Pakistani until just 50 years ago. The British should have never partitioned India (they did, over Gandhi and other's objections.)
> Israel is rumoured to have nuclear missiles capable of hitting anywhere on the planet and they have made themselves a lot more enemies than India.
And at the same time, Israel gets sold many missle defense technologies from the US, which they consequently sell to other countries (India being one of them).
Yes, but if a whole bunch of countries attacked the US at the same time, for a large period of time, the US would definatly lose.
Of course, I don't think this will happen, because the US is a huge economic power. Most countries aren't exactly scared of the US' military power compared to it's economic powers.
What does Gentoo have to do with MacOSX?
Heh, what does this article have to do with GNOME?
They modified GNOME almost as much as they modified KDE. They only thing I personally want changed is the ability to go back to a default KDE. Apparently there is a gconf key which you can use to revert some of the changes they made to GNOME. There should be an equivlent way of doing it in KDE.
> Why is it that only KDE-users have complained?
;)
I'm sure some GNOME developers/users are less-than-enthusiastic as well. The major reason for mentioning number 3 is that KDE seems to pride itself with good integration, and has been historically more integrated as a desktop environment than something like GNOME.
I don't agree with what RedHat has done, but I both understand why they've done it and defend their right to do it.
The number one problem I see with much of the malinformed complaining by _some_ KDE users is that RedHat has it in for KDE. There is a significant portion of RedHat users who use KDE, and RedHat obviously doesn't want to piss them off. You are correct in saying that they did basically the same things to GNOME. I don't see why these complainers don't get this fact.
More troubling, however, is probably RedHat's renaming of service types to remove the "kde-" part. Not only are some of these changes flat out unnecessary, but can break third party applications.
Essentially, they are making it hard on themselves, because KDE 3.1 will come out soon, and you know KDE 3.2 is gonna come soon after that
in my school (georgia tech), we just use something called buzzsearch, it's a webbased windows shares/samba scanning/indexing/searching service. The source for it is available on sourceforge, so people at other schools can start their own services. So far, all p2p networks are allowed, including kazaa, imesh, gnutella, etc..