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ztc writes "Gentoo has added a Unreal Tournament 2003 demo to a version of their Linux-based LiveCD. It has up-to-date nvidia graphics drivers, sound drivers, network drivers, etc. on the CD ready-to-play. LiveCDs have always been a great way to sway potential Linux-converts, but this should really impress them! You can download the iso here." A sneaky way to promote Gentoo. I like it.
LiveCDs have always been a great way to sway potential Linux-converts, but this should really impress them!
Zealot: "And look at this!! You plug in the CD, and it runs Unreal Tournament!!"
Normal Person: "But... my Windows already does that."
Zealot: "But you don't understand! It's better because it's Linux!!"
Normal Person: "But it looks the same to me... ?"
Zealot: "Well, yeah, but that's the point! It looks the same, but it's on Linux!!"
Normal Person: "Er.. OK. Show me The Sims next!"
Zealot: "Give me a few hours to get Quake working..."
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Bootable CD ROM? As in (R)ead (O)nly? So every time I boot up the cd to play it I'm going to have to set my Player name, my character model, my screen resolution, configure my mouse and keyboard, and all the other preferences?
A good way to sell 3D games is to include screen shots in the demos to give people an idea of what they are going to see....
Even a link to a site with screen shots would be a plan.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
do you really want to promote Linux by showing 3D graphics that have absolutely nothing to do with the OS?
Even if it isn't for the graphics, the newly converted user will feel betrayed when he finds out most games simply won't work under Linux unless he hassles around with Wine(X).
I've got some serious doubts about this one... they should show the true forté's of the OS instead of some eyecandy
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Okay, this is the 10000000th time someone posts that.
Well, the link goes to a password protected page (or download as the case may be). Either Ibiblio has good heuristics to detect a DOS in its early stages or Gentoo's attempt as mass promotion failed due to a bug in the distribution channel.
If you already have a linux distro or windows, you can find a list of mirrors here. Warning : Its over 90mbs, but its smaller than the CD
I feel sorry for ibiblio.org
Now coupling a blazingly fast Linux port, they're throwing in UT 2003. What more can one ask for?
Maybe a coffee maker built into my PC to keep me awake for days while playing.
If you're looking here for something insightful or thought provoking, you're probably looking in the wrong place.
Knoppix does much the same. Every machine I've stuck a Knoppix boot cd into came up fine and on our network without having to so much as touch the system configuration.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/
I thought about mass producing knoppix cds, like a hundred or so, and putting them in cheap sleeves and donating them to the local Salvation Army, Goodwill, whatever. Might come in handy one day when current versions of GNU/Linux are illegal because of DRM.
Also, has anyone thought that these "live" cds such as Knoppix would be perfect for someone who wants to do things anonymously (like terrorists, or even people with less to hide), i.e. drop by a local library, university, or retailer, pop in a Knoppix cd, cruise the 'net and send a few emails, then pop out the cd and reboot the machine. Let's see the thought police undelete something from a swap file in ram...
-dameron
Is it just as quick or quicker?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I downloaded and installed UT2k3 demo on both my linux partition (up to date gentoo) and my W2k partition. I am running an admitidly unbalanced celeron333a w/ 192mb ram and a gf4ti4200-64mb. ... 320x240 was in the list!). ... heck its not completly unplayable at 1600x1200.
Under linux I get very choppy sound and an almost-kinda-sorta-playable slideshow after setting all the options to their min (ok I left the res at 800x600
While w2k gives me a reasonably playable game
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Well, I don't know exactly what the LiveCD does, but I will say that if you're trying to impress them with the game, then I'm not sure that the Linux demo is going to be that impressive to Windows people. If I were a Windows-only user, I'd ask them what the big deal was, since I could play it on my Windows machine already. And I'd point out that, despite the fact that NVIDIA cards are pretty widespread, the demo on Windows supports a wider range of cards, including the lowly 3dfx Voodoo3. And that it doesn't require rebooting the machine.
If this were a Linux-only game that supported a wide range of hardware configurations and showed off graphical splendor that wasn't generally available on Windows, then that'd be impressive to lots of people. As much as my geeky side can be impressed by the idea of putting together a CD like this, I just don't see Windows people giving a hoot.
FWIW, I'm not a Windows user. I only use Linux at work and at home. Heck, I even wrote an article on the Linux demo and how it came to be. But most Windows users are still puzzled about why a Linux port even exists. They're certainly not going to want you rebooting their machine just so you can boot up Linux and play it from a CD.
Curmudgeon Gamer: Not happy
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I know this is a bit off topic, but for the folks who are interested in trying another live linux cd, I suggest taking a look at knoppix.
It's a really neat distribution, something you could give to your friend if he's interested in what linux is all about.
ps) If you have trouble downloading iso from their mirrors, I have a small mirror here
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what if a person has oddball hardware, or notfully supported hardware, for example I have a sb audigy, that sounds like crap under linux. if they try this live cd only to find UT2003 runs or sounds like crap compared to win32 they are going to think linux=crapy performance, and not try it again
I saw this early this morning and I began the download. It's at 66% now. If the hordes of /. break my d/l (the ftp is NO RESUME), I'm gunna be fit to be tied.
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Oh, and yes I will be downloading the demo - phorm
Linux seems like it'd be a better choice, if all games worked, because gamers tend to overclock their CPUs and the chips on their graphics card, which makes the system instable, and Linux would handle the instability better.
"Handle the instability better"?? What the hell are you talking about? Does Linux automatically check if an instruction in the CPU is executed wrong?
This is put out by the Gentoo people, not by Epic. What would you like screenshots of, the CD booting? Go to Epic's site if you want to see UT2003, there were plenty of links to screenshot in the previous article on it.
Is your browser retarded?
I've always been a windows guy. But this is the kind of thing that makes me want to try linux at least on a spare machine.
Basically a grab bag of good, working, linux programs.
This is a good thing!
There's a project at SourceForge, Triple Threat Linux. It executes every instruction three times, and picks a winner. There's a perf hit, but improved reliability.
I just started using gentoo last thursday. This after 5 years of slackware, and only slackware.
It's a fantastic distro for those of you with a pretty strong system, I highly reccommend it.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!
So every time I boot up the cd to play it I'm going to have to set my Player name, my character model, my screen resolution, configure my mouse and keyboard, and all the other preferences?
You don't have to do that on three out of the four currently popular video game consoles (GameCube, PS2, Xbox), which also store their software on read-only media. They have something called a "memory card" used to store game settings. (The fourth popular console is the Game Boy Advance system, which puts both read-only and read-write storage in each cartridge.)
Know what? PCs have "memory cards" as well. Just stick a FAT12 formatted disk in the floppy drive.
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What does Gentoo have to do with MacOSX?
Nice to see another Linux port for PowerPC systems. While Mac OS X fills all my needs, it's still fun to tinker in Linux.
So, that brings the Linux for PowerPC distros to the following, and I bet I'll forget one:
-SUSE
-Debian
-RT Linux
-Mandrake
-Linux PPC
-Yellow Dog Linux
-Gentoo Linux
-MkLinux
-HA Linux
I wonder if the UT2003 code is targeted to x86 or whether it cares. I would presume it does care a lot. A "Windtunnel" G4 has all the necessary specs, otherwise.
Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
From the Unreal Tournament 2003 Website FAQ's
What will the recommended system requirements be?
Operating System: WIN 98/ME/2000/XP
CPU: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 733MHz processor (*Pentium® or AMD 1.0 GHz or greater RECOMMENDED)
Memory: 128 MB RAM (256 MB RAM or greater RECOMMENDED)
Hard Disk Space: 3 GB
CD ROM or CD/DVD ROM: 8X
Audio System: Windows® compatible sound card (*Sound Blaster® Audigy(tm) series sound card RECOMMENDED) (NVIDIA® nForce(TM) or other motherboards/soundcards containing the Dolby® Digital Interactive Content Encoder required for Dolby Digital audio. Also RECOMMENDED)
Video System: 3D Accelerator card with 16 MB VRAM (*32-128 MB VRAM RECOMMENDED) 16 MB TNT2-class DirectX® version 6 compliant video card. (*NVIDIA GeForce 2/ATI Radeon RECOMMENDED)
DirectX® version 8.1 (Included on game disc
Multiplayer: Internet (TCP/IP) and LAN (TCP/IP) play supported. *Internet play requires a 33.6 Kbps or faster modem
If you're looking here for something insightful or thought provoking, you're probably looking in the wrong place.
What the hell is LiveCD? :)
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
Are there any ports of UT to other hardware architectures than x86 running Windows/Linux?
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drop by a local library, university, or retailer, pop in a Knoppix cd, cruise the 'net and send a few emails, then pop out the cd and reboot the machine.
That is, unless the machine's case is locked in a cabinet so that the user can't use outside software. The library would claim that outside software may contain viruses. Besides, how are you going to fit drivers for every single network card and every single modem, including winmodems, on one CD?
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This LiveCD is based off the soon-to-be-released Gentoo Linux 1.4. It's still in testing, so don't expect the cd to be perfect. There are other games released on cds like this though, such as Armagetron, bzflag, and soon to appear, pyDDR. Hopefully gentoo will make some kind of application to automate the building of these things things with other games.
Oh, and with very small modifications you can make a cluster out of these cds. Neato, eh?
The only real windows attachment for many people are the games. If you show that Linux can run somee current games too, then they will be more open to trying Linux. It will also help encourage game developers to port to Linux.
If you want to show someone the power of the Linux Desktop, grab Knoppix
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
When they say 'ready to play', do they mean it plays off the disc like a platform gaming system, or that you can install it off the CD and then play the game?
The reason I ask is that if the former is true, then it makes Linux more attractive to me as a gaming machine, particularly if it can handle initiating those drivers while it's running. One thing that annoys the hell out of me is that games in Windows think they need to be installed first. I can understand wanting to have a save-game folder, but I find it ridiculous what all needs to be copied over to the computer.
LiveCD is a standalone bootable CD that you can pop in most newer computers, boot up and play the game.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
What's one of the big reasons people always give for not switching to Linux? What's one of the big reasons that many of us STILL have Windows boxes or dual-boot?
The games.
Now we've got two or three big games being released for the Linux platforms. (UT 2003, NWN(when it's done?), Quake 3(I know released heap long time ago, but it's still a big game) Proof that Linux can run major market games. May help sway some people.
The future
What *I* would like to see is games released in this Live CD fashion. So that you don't have to worry about getting the latet drivers. It almost turns any computer into a gaming console. You just put in the CD, reboot, and play. Don't have to worry about clearing out hard drive space or buying a new hard drive so you have enough space. You don't have to worry about having the drivers that work with the game. It's all bundled up in the UT OS I don't know how it was for some people, but it was a PAIN trying to get Quake and Quake2 installed and running under Linux for me.
Heck you and some friends could burn off these CD's and head to your local internet cafe or Best Buy and play some UT over the net...hehehehe
"For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
Now you can go to any computer you want, pop the CD in, hit reset, and (assuming there's no BIOS PW) play UT on any x86 box. This could be a very fun way to piss of the people in the university computer lab, who will think you hacked NT to lower user restrictions or something.
When slashbots hear "footlong," they get really excited.
Zealot > Look at this! It's a demo of Unreal Tournament under Linux. You just put in the CD and it runs.
Poor dude > What's all that writing?
Zealot > That's it booting. You don't need to worry about that.
Poor dude > Why's it taking so long?
Zealot > That's the amazing thing! Gentoo compiles the kernel, the libraries, the compiler, the compiler again, X, AND unreal tournament before running it! So it runs really fast!
Poor dude > So how long does it take to get working?
Zealot > About 3 days from pressing the power on button. But it's fast!
Sorry man, I started doing it early this year. Looks like you started in July. To be honest, I'm surprised it took this long for someone else to run with it.
Where is the UT2003 port for Mac OS X?
I have not seen this mentioned yet, but I think it should be noted that it is not Gentoo's fault that the UT2003 LiveCD does not run on ATI cards. Epic made the call to only support the newer nVidia cards in the demo and it has nothing to do with Gentoo or the fact that XFree86 has less than ample support for the newer Radeon card line.
Is a Sig really an expression of the person behind the post or just random nonsense?
We can't really presume to know what makes your PC happy. I will hazard a guess that either Linux or FreeBSD will make it feel free and alive.
I have found that the minimum cpu specs ( 733MHz PIII or Athlon) don't make for a smooth game. A 1GHz processor is my practical minimum. Couple that with a Geforce2 or faster under Linux, under windows expand that to include Radeon 7500 or faster.
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
I don't know about everyone else, but I think that the new UT looks like old UT through a Quake filter. I personally can't stand Quake, (I don't play it since I don't have ADD.) it looks too much like a cartoon. As far as FPS this fall, it's all about BF1942.
Gentoo runs WineX (since the source is available), and there are people working on it.
Gentoo has a different development model than most distros. There is a lot more user contribution in improving it than most; users often write code upgrades. Also, the user forums are INCREDIBLY active. So they are most likely looking to add users who already have some knowledge of Linux, but want to augment it.
This is one compelling reason: you run Linux? Want to run Wine, but its not working for you? We've got it running - even WineX. Oh, and here's UT as well.
Seems like a good way to get the flock to join a new fold.
I myself switched to Gentoo because I was tired of downloading source packages under Mandrake and going through the "find and compile the library that is needed" game whenever I downloaded a program that was too new or too small to be in the distro (its considerably easier to do this type of thing with Gentoo, plus they have more packages), and adding packages that weren't part of the install was sending me into RPM oblivion.
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
First of all, Windows XP is $99 for the upgrade, $150 for the full version. Second of all, this is clearly spoken by someone who doesn't run XP. Sorry bud, but you're going to have to a find new act other than "blue screening and rebooting". XP and Linux are equivalently stable.
But hey, the truth never stops Linux zealots, right?
but when I rebooted again, none of the changes were saved to the floppy.
Either read the documentation to find the proper way to save your changes, or complain to the game publisher that the game doesn't support saving.
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Have I got a treat for you....
Exactly what treat are you referring to? That the game selection completely sucks compared to Windows? Or that he gets to run "free" games that happen to suck compared to Windows?
someone would do this for MAME with about 500 or so great games!
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
Did I just see this on Saturday?
Kevin
"It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
A better question: What does MacOSX have to do with UT2003 or Linux?
So why'd you post that?
What part of "2003" don't you understand?
I know this topic has been touched on already. But I haven't heard anything really solid so far.
Has anyone here actually benchmarked the UT2003 demo on linux and WindowsXP with the exact same hardware? (preferable nvidia.. since they are widely supported)
And using the benchmark utility that's included with the demo?
I suspect (a hunch), the difference would be not much. The overhead of the XP UI running in the background is pretty small.
--Etan
This post is precisely ontopic. We're talking about run-off-the-disc Linux distros in this thread. If someone posts a link with information about another such tool for accomplishing this, it's informative. Maybe some people out there want to do something similar, but without using Gentoo.
Moderators, try using some objectivity! Sheesh.
Why bother.
A cd that you can pop into your computer, which will boot Linux without actually installing it onto your hard disk.
(Some people were wondering)
So I suppose us folks running AMD k6-2 500 with 192MB SDRAM and Caldera 2.3 (no updates, can't be bothered, isn't 2.2.14 a beauty?) are going to find it a bit heavy...
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Not to begrudge Gentoo (an excellent distribution IMHO) anything I figure I'd mention a full featured (takes up the whole CD) live CD distribution which offers a good generalized suite of applications: office, technical, programming, game, educational... called KNOPPIX. It works really well as a demo and is even quite usable as a portable linux for regular use.
I have an Athlon Tbird at 1.4Ghz, 512MB of RAM, and a Geforce 2 MX 200 with 64MB, 2x AGP. After booting up, logging in, and doing "x-setup", it says, "no screens found". Anyone else with this problem?
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What I find interesting is the possibility to offer games that come with their own OS. Instead of distributing a game which comes for Windows, Linux, or MacOS, why not put an optimized OS on the CD or DVD so that anyone can boot it and play the game. The game could fetch configs and saved games, if available, on a user-specified location on disk, or better, online. It would work much as a console; of course, having to boot on the CD is a drawback, but console users don't seem to mind.
I guess the comment a few posts up about people saying linux is just catching up with windows isn't exactly true. here windows is just catching up with linux. and i don't believe you when you say it's just as stable...and yes i've used it.
The only way this happens is a game which requires network transparency. Right now the window's world is using thick clients but a very thin client game meant to be run over a lan...
Maybe its time for a little petitioning. If we can get developers to make games for linux, they can be run from cd's like this on any computer, no matter what the native os is on the computer itself, since it wont overwrite anything. this would make everyone happy(everyone that matters, anyway). Who do I send a letter to?
I'm determined to reclaim my karma. Now, if I can only find a groundbreaking article and something witty to say....
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Windows XP Home Edition Retail Box $199.99
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Those either prices? From the Internet? From Uncle Joe's White Van Corner Computer Stop(On a different street corner every hour!)? From one of those "Computer Shows" where half the items are junk, pirated, stolen and all sold by Fly-by-night operations?
If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
This would also convince "other"(ahem) video card manufacturers to stay on top of their linux driver releases.
I'm determined to reclaim my karma. Now, if I can only find a groundbreaking article and something witty to say....
Most of my hard drive is dedicated to games. The same games that would probably run alright from my 46X CD-ROM drive, but they insist on taking up precious gigs of my hard drive anyway. I always wondered, if gaming consoles can run off of CD fine, why can't PCs?
Thanks for answering my question Gentoo. Now how about a full verstion of UT 2003? And where is MS with an LiveWindows for those that are still too afraid to program in Linux?
i agree. michael is a teabag.
Is there a Mirror of the ISO?
The XBOX has a "hard drive."
It's much easier to carry a memory card or floppy disk from one location to another than it is to lug a whole Xbox console. No, don't say "remove the hard drive and put it in another machine" because each hard drive is keyed to an individual Xbox system through ATA authentication.
PS2 has a hard drive too. You can get it as part of the "Linux" kit.
The Linux kit for PlayStation 2 needs a blank memory card to store the kernel, so you're not saving any money. In addition, PS2 games can't use a memory card or hard drive formatted for Linux.
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That's a cool idea. Use Linux to boot into off the CD and auto-detect what it needs.
The downside is that us Win2k/NT (and presumably Linux) users are used to having their machine up all the time.
However, I'd be happy to dedicate an OS-less machine just to gaming.
They finally have vi on the install CD. nano irritates me. Kev.
What does a M$ solution cost
WAY less than my time -- and this is coming from someone who uses Linux every day ... along with Windows XP. I use Linux when I need a server, and XP when I need user applications.
First of all, the Linux version has been said to offer better FPS, because you don't Windows eating all your ram. Secondly, this kind of thing is REALLY useful when you're trying to set up a LAN. Instead of someone being the "Linux Bitch" and having to install Linux on their PC so that the Dedicated server will run fast, this allows people to just insert a CD and boot up their brand new dedicated server while the others hook up their computers.
No he is talking about sucking his dick. It's all a big secret code, you see.
Step 1: Burn 10 CDs
Step 2: Go to University Library where they have decent enough machines and Nvidia Cards
Step 3: Insert discs and reboot
Step 4: Spontaneous LAN party among book weary students!
On my SS51, it couldn't initialize the USB2.0 ports and running x-setup resulted in a bunch of wingding ascii characters.
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Oddly enough, that's exactly how the original Infocom games (the ones that shipped on 5.25" floppies) worked!
// I will show you fear in a handful of jellybeans.
inane babble here...
I kinda figured that would happen. :( ./)
Hope it smoothes out soon enough for ya!
(btw.. that was QUITE rude
...and showcases a game WITHOUT the need for installing the OS?
Sure.
Click here.
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Luckily, the Sims is ported to Linux. Obviously the Zealot just didn't have the CD in his collection. :-)
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most people are, or so it seems! I'm no zealot, but I am an advocate of using Linux.
The other side, if you must, claims that Linux is defficient because it can't play games - how many geeks say they'd use it if it played games?
Welp, this IS exciting for us advocates, because here is a method for running UT easier than on Windows systems...
Remember, Windows XP is the least feature rich, and least sophisticated, and least secure major OS out there at this point...
Yeah, there's the whole "Betamax vs VHS" analogy - but, what's the other side to that analogy? It is that the avarage consumer lost out on a movie format that was of a higher quality and yet more compact than what we all ended up getting. Mute now, becaues DVD is the way to go, so this time, let's not get stuck with VHS in the interim...
Games on linux, in an easy manner, is a step towards that, IMO.
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There is a black eye for Linux. Was I the only person that was so grossly dissapointed with Unreal 2003 that I curled up in a ball and wept like a small child? Why bring up this association between UT 2003 and Linux, it will only harm Linux's reputation. Great I can see the headline now, "Yet Another Crappy Title Runs on Linux." If you want to impress people tell them there is a Linux version of Battlefield 1945 and then watch M$ weep.
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Knoppix is Da Thang for bootable live-cd linux!!
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
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Funny, XP (at work) bluescreened and rebooted on me just the other day.
Funny, Linux froze on me yesterday. [and I'm not lying for effect]. It does it every now and then, and I have no idea why.
I've seen 220 megabyte Mlnl CDs out there.
:-)
Anyone else notice this little detail?
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!