> If only there was VB for Linux (don't get me going on Kylix 'coz it aint VB) then we'd have people writing a ton of great, usable apps - simply because you can do it quickly!
You might try Gambas ( http://gambas.sourceforge.net/). Sure, it's not as featureful as VB, but hey, it's also a lot newer:)
Jeez, nobody is forcing you to use it (I use Debian/Unstable personally). If you think that Libranet is a Debian ripoff, you obviously don't understand the concept and spirit of Free Software and the GPL.
Remember, it's free as in speech, not beer. Also keep in mind that they DO offer the last major version free, I think.
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It comes from anecdodal evidence. Plop a newbie right in front of a Debian installer, and they probably won't be able to do it.
I've heard the "I tried installing Debian as my first distro because I heard it's good, but I could install it, gave up, and installed Redhat/Mandrake/SuSE.. then after a year when I became more experienced, I switched back to Debian" story quite a lot.
Uhm, no. The GPL stipulates that you must give the source if asked at the same price that offered the application. So, if FOO.COM sold GNU tar cd's for $500,000, then they don't have to give the source for anything less than $500,000 (with the binary-if-offered of GNU tar as well, they couldn't charge you $500,000 for the binary and $500,000 for the source as well).
I've already nominated someone, but anyone want to nominate John Carmack?
He's released much of id's older under the GPL, most recently Quake2.
I think he gives a good balance between making money in the commercial sector and releasing code for people to learn and develop from. When a game engine is no longer profitable, he releases it. I think this should serve as a model to other companies to release the code for their old software/abandonware, especially in games.
> Then why is it that Microsoft has the most bugs of any mainstream OS
Not trying to be a Microsoft-lover or anything, but perhaps this is because Microsoft products are in use most? And the fact that for many markets, their products are the ONLY mainstream OS?
While I abhor Windows, I'd have to say that things like WindowsXP are a increadibly complicate piece of coding. Of course, Microsoft has the money to hire the programmers to do it.
You should nominate Julian Seward, not valgrind itself. This award is geared for people, not projects.
But I agree, Valgrind is an impressive piece of work, and it deserves to be recognized. It finally gives a free software alternative to Purify, something that was sorely lacking in the tool chests of free software developers.
Indeed, many people (like myself) consider Quake to have had one of the best atmospheres in a FPS game to date.
Even after 6-7 years after it's introduction, it's not even close to dead. A lot of QuakeWorld competition goes on in Europe, for example.
In fact, there are actually probably more Quake1 players than Quake2 players left (while Quake3 was slowly dieing, but seems to have come back alive and kicking after QuakeCon).
Actually, with a modern compiler like gcc 3.2, this might not be true anymore. For relatively simple programs like "hello world", many modern compilers can optimize compiled code to the point where there is no difference from writing the program from hand in asm. I've tested this myself with earlier gcc3.x versions (actually, even before 3.0 came out).
In this age and time, asm is particularily suited to computationally intensive portions of programs. Yes, it's probably not going to be faster if you write the whole thing in asm, but it'll not only be apt to be bug prone, but the development time will likely take longer.
Too bad that Gnutella CAN be blocked by ISP's. My local DSL provider decided to block the common gnutella ports. I have not been able to access it for the last 6 months.
Gnutella really needs random ports.
Curiously, Audiogalaxy was never blocked. R.I.P AG.
> How on earth do gentoo's servers provide that amount of source?
The package lists are rsync'd (very efficient) from a round robin DNS server that serves from many mirrors.
Ebuilds typically download sources from ibiblio (formerly unsite.unc.edu, and metalab.unc.edu), which has gobs and gobs of free bandwidth or one of it's many mirrors, OR falling back on the download site of the package (i.e, sourceforge.net, ftp.gnu.org, ftp.kde.org, ).
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Well, I ran Debian/Unstable for nearly 3 years before ditching it for Gentoo several months ago. I update all new versions of all installed packages almost every night. I've found that fewer breakages happen in Gentoo than in SID, while being more up-to-date.
I was really happy with Debian until release freezes and packagers waiting for obscure platforms like hppa.
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> If only there was VB for Linux (don't get me going on Kylix 'coz it aint VB) then we'd have people writing a ton of great, usable apps - simply because you can do it quickly!
:)
You might try Gambas (
http://gambas.sourceforge.net/). Sure, it's not as featureful as VB, but hey, it's also a lot newer
> perhaps a Gtk# version of the documentation system.
.NET?
Isn't that unnecessary because of
> It's a good thing that RedHat saw this kind of thing coming and started work on Gnome.
Were you even using X11 when GNOME started? RedHat never started the Gnome project.
> So much for the claims that KDE isn't nothing but a front for TrollTech.
It isn't. In fact, it is as ridiculous as saying that gtk+ encourages proprietary development since it is LGPL.
At least with Qt being GPL, you have to pay. This is a good thing (imho).
>How will you manage the objects like the bridge?
:) .so's (not recommended/insecure/linux only).
:)
Dunno yet. Probably lots of QuakeC involved with that, and I'm no expert.
Um, Quake3 doesn't use QuakeC
It uses straight C for dll's (not recommended/insecure/windows only) and
It uses straight C for qvm's, but you have to use special trap functions to access the exposed engine.
You can ask around in places like the mods forum in quake3world.com, and I'm sure people would like to help you
> What tools are you using to create this?
I'm using "Quake Army Knife" aka QuArK. You can download it from http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~quark/
Hmm, QuArK is good, but it's sorta old now. You might want to try GtkRadiant.
I like Ximian's logo and all, but I'm not sure I like the name. The monkey metaphor is just too George W. Bush-ish
Jeez, nobody is forcing you to use it (I use Debian/Unstable personally). If you think that Libranet is a Debian ripoff, you obviously don't understand the concept and spirit of Free Software and the GPL.
Remember, it's free as in speech, not beer.
Also keep in mind that they DO offer the last major version free, I think.
It comes from anecdodal evidence. Plop a newbie right in front of a Debian installer, and they probably won't be able to do it.
I've heard the "I tried installing Debian as my first distro because I heard it's good, but I could install it, gave up, and installed Redhat/Mandrake/SuSE.. then after a year when I became more experienced, I switched back to Debian" story quite a lot.
Uhm, no. The GPL stipulates that you must give the source if asked at the same price that offered the application. So, if FOO.COM sold GNU tar cd's for $500,000, then they don't have to give the source for anything less than $500,000 (with the binary-if-offered of GNU tar as well, they couldn't charge you $500,000 for the binary and $500,000 for the source as well).
I've already nominated someone, but anyone want to nominate John Carmack?
He's released much of id's older under the GPL, most recently Quake2.
I think he gives a good balance between making money in the commercial sector and releasing code for people to learn and develop from. When a game engine is no longer profitable, he releases it. I think this should serve as a model to other companies to release the code for their old software/abandonware, especially in games.
> Then why is it that Microsoft has the most bugs of any mainstream OS
Not trying to be a Microsoft-lover or anything, but perhaps this is because Microsoft products are in use most? And the fact that for many markets, their products are the ONLY mainstream OS?
While I abhor Windows, I'd have to say that things like WindowsXP are a increadibly complicate piece of coding. Of course, Microsoft has the money to hire the programmers to do it.
-- watches as he gets moderated down
Actually the legalese might not be legal, either.
I've never seen a license with so much political mumbo-jumbo as the GPL. If it ever get's tested, the judge is just going to laugh at it.
Perhaps it's time to do a clean-room rewrite of the GPL, that makes a license that might be more apt to be held up by an actual real-life court.
You should nominate Julian Seward, not valgrind itself. This award is geared for people, not projects.
But I agree, Valgrind is an impressive piece of work, and it deserves to be recognized. It finally gives a free software alternative to Purify, something that was sorely lacking in the tool chests of free software developers.
Indeed, many people (like myself) consider Quake to have had one of the best atmospheres in a FPS game to date.
Even after 6-7 years after it's introduction, it's not even close to dead. A lot of QuakeWorld competition goes on in Europe, for example.
In fact, there are actually probably more Quake1 players than Quake2 players left (while Quake3 was slowly dieing, but seems to have come back alive and kicking after QuakeCon).
Actually, with a modern compiler like gcc 3.2, this might not be true anymore. For relatively simple programs like "hello world", many modern compilers can optimize compiled code to the point where there is no difference from writing the program from hand in asm. I've tested this myself with earlier gcc3.x versions (actually, even before 3.0 came out).
In this age and time, asm is particularily suited to computationally intensive portions of programs. Yes, it's probably not going to be faster if you write the whole thing in asm, but it'll not only be apt to be bug prone, but the development time will likely take longer.
heh
Too bad that Gnutella CAN be blocked by ISP's. My local DSL provider decided to block the common gnutella ports. I have not been able to access it for the last 6 months.
Gnutella really needs random ports.
Curiously, Audiogalaxy was never blocked. R.I.P AG.
> We've all heard it before: when (yes, I said when) AOL switches to Mozilla, there will instantly be millions of Mozilla users.
Probably never going to happen unless things change fast.
1.Microsoft really does not want to give up it's control over the browser market (and pragmatic Internet standards at that).
2. AOL does not want to lose the AOL icon on the Windows desktop/Start Menu.
3. There are existing contracts between MS and AOL about using IE as AOL's default browser.
4. There would be a service/support nightmare in AOL as customers ring in and ask why obscuresitexyz.com or obscurestoreasd.net do not work suddenly.
It was written from scratch.
There is a little (outdated) bit of information on http://www.konqueror.org/konq-browser.html. Konqueror uses kjs for it's javascript/ecmascript support.
> If KDE is going to have a commercial partner working on/with its source base I am glad it is Apple.
Yeah, hopefully it will continue a long history of companies contributing back. The last major company to work with/on KDE source I beleive was Corel.
No, 1.3 is not testing. The next version of Gentoo will likely be 1.3, which has not been released yet.
;)
What has come out is 1.3b_test. Notice the b_test yet?
> and I didn't have to wait while it re-built.
Yes, but us gentoo users didn't have to wait for it to get into the distro.
From my experience, ebuilds are made much, much, much faster than debian packages are.
Well, it depends on what you do.
Optimizing doesn't help in commands like ls, but I've seen a modest boost in things like compiling, and programs like KDE/GNOME/Mozilla/XFree86)
> How on earth do gentoo's servers provide that amount of source?
The package lists are rsync'd (very efficient) from a round robin DNS server that serves from many mirrors.
Ebuilds typically download sources from ibiblio (formerly unsite.unc.edu, and metalab.unc.edu), which has gobs and gobs of free bandwidth or one of it's many mirrors, OR falling back on the download site of the package (i.e, sourceforge.net, ftp.gnu.org, ftp.kde.org, ).
Well, I ran Debian/Unstable for nearly 3 years before ditching it for Gentoo several months ago. I update all new versions of all installed packages almost every night. I've found that fewer breakages happen in Gentoo than in SID, while being more up-to-date.
I was really happy with Debian until release freezes and packagers waiting for obscure platforms like hppa.
Yes, but BSD ports and portage are *far* more elegant than apt or rpm has ever been.