> Sparc is usually a better solution for large enterprise critical software tasks.
It may as well be that, but Sun didn't realized until it was too late that the enterprise has generally shifted to smaller x86 hardware. It started with Microsoft and the WintelNT market, and countinued on with Linux.
The market space that Sun occupies and has good products out in, is, unfortunatly shrunk compared to five years ago.
less than 200kb more is hardly any more bloat on modern systems. SystemServices' equivalent of init will probably be as light as init too. It'll just call python scripts rather than bash scripts.
A "standard" that requires most people (i.e, IE users) to download a plugin, a "standard" that almost nobody actually uses (unlike other similiar technologies like flash)
doesn't sound much of a "standard". just because the w3c endorses doesn't mean it'll become a true standard.
Responsiveness? OSX's GUI is *way* less responsive than X, because everything is doublebuffered through the video card. That makes it *very* smooth, but it's not responsive at all. X isn't terribly responsive either, but it's better than OSX's.
The problem is that one third of the linux world uses gtk stock icons (and gnome icon themes), and another third uses qaction icons (and kde icon themes), and still another third uses their own icons.
RH has fixed the first two with a consistant (bluecurve) set of icons, but it's again, fairly easy to break.
> Sanctions should be applied to corporations pulling this B.S.
Great! Let's do this and see half of all tech companies go out of buisness and ruin the economy further for those of us Americans with jobs! It urge you to barge into Congress and stick it to them!
> American jobs should not be moving overseas
Yup, while we're at it, let's stop exporting shit to other countries too. The last time I was in India, there was coca-cola stands in every street corner and American products had flooded grocery stores. Buying kool-aid and nabisco ritz crackers is always fun to do in other countries. This is a stark difference for as little as ten years back, when there were products made by Indian companies were in grocery stores. All those companies got gobbled up by the richer American comapnies as soon as India stopped with it's protectionist policies.
Globalization has a much adverse effect on poorer countries than richer countries. It just fills the coffers of big American companies.
> because they have a habit of working here for a few years, pumping their earnings into the economy of their home country
Do you even know what a H1-B is? It's a freaking temp. VISA. Many H1-B's get greencards however, and that's a commitment to staying in the US. Other are refused and the only choice they have is to go back to their native countries even though they'd have liked to stay in the US.
> Diarrhea is common there, that its typical to respond to "how are you doing?" with "I have diarrhea."
That's why it's recommended for foreign nationals to drink boiled water for at least a year once moving to India. After that, you'll get used to the bacteria, protozoa, and other deadlies swimming in Indian water.
I'm not joking too.. The situation is a *little* better in South India in places like Bangalore, but absolutely stinks in north and east India (Delhi and Calcutta's water sucks ass)
> Last I tried KDevelop, it kept crying for the documentation packages, which my distro didn't install because you apparently need the source code to have them. Bizarre.
The new kdevelop in kde 3.2a1 has been pretty much rewritten from almost scratch. It's actually been in development for nearly 3 years.
> to that mess of a menu
The kmenu has also been cleared in up 3.2. Not only does it have a reduced amount of catagories, but it it follows the freedesktop menu standard (with GNOME (2.6?) and others), and it also has catagory headings for usability:)
Yes, and in kde 3.2a1, with khotkeys2, you can even define mouse gestures and attach dcop scripting calls, keystrokes, mouse movements, etc.. etc.. to any KDE app.
You could, for example, define a mouse gesture to tell kwin to close the current window. Or, you could define a keystroke a tell kdevelop (or any app using dcop) to open a new project and add a bunch of files to it.
Oh yeah, media keyboard support is also better in this alpha.
> Second, one would think those talented people could be used elsewhere on the KDE project.
Have you stopped to consider that most open source developers who are working on their own time want to work on whatever they want to work on? You can't force them to work on something else to suit tech gurus (like yourself, most likely), who have a different agenda to push "Linux to the masses."
I'm sure many KDE developers would love to see that happen, but I think most of them are working on whatever for fun. Not to destory microsoft or whatever many Linux zealots^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers want to do.
> My point is that a stripped-down Mozilla performs just as well.
Not really.. I compile both Mozilla and Firebird by myself, I don't compile in any more components besides the browser and the password/privacy manager in Mozilla. It still gets outperformed by Firebird.
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Yes, please read the original post by parent. He already mentioned this.
> Not only that it's truly free and truly GNU, but it's also cooler and better looking,
Actually, despite GNOME being part of the GNU project (historical reasons, the FSF doesn't push GNOME much anymore), the licensing terms for KDE are more GNU-spirited than the licensing terms for GNOME. Qt has a better license (GPL), than Gtk for example (LGPL)
> HP
Actually HP dropped GNOME support and went back to CDE.
> KDE unfortunately feels so 1980s, and not in a good way, at all.
Report back when GNOME doesn't have a default theme and file dialog that mimics Windows 3.0.
> Case in point: KOffice, KDE's abominable attempt at an Office suite. As you say, why spend so much time making something that sucks so bad?
Nice trolling. Koffice was around before OpenOffice ever existed (ever saw the abomination that was StarOffice 5.1?). Koffice has pretty much had less then 10 developers working part time on it as a hobby for 5 years, while SO/OOo has had many full time developers working on various parts of it since 1989. There are obviously reasons to keep it around, in the same fashion that there are keep Epiphany or GNOME-office aroumd.
> For instance, the fantastic way Pango deals with multilingual issues.
Erm.. I'm just curious, but how is Pango any better in handeling multilingual issues that, for example, WindowsXP? Pango seemed to pay MASSIVE catchup for the international features that other environments (like WindowsXP, KDE/Qt, MacOSX) had for years.
The only real thing I can think of that Pango had and one of Pango's equivalents in other environments didn't have is the lack of proper Indic language support in Qt until Qt 3.2.
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> I've worked for Sun in the late 70s
elite. I worked at Microsoft in the early 60's.
> Sparc is usually a better solution for large enterprise critical software tasks.
It may as well be that, but Sun didn't realized until it was too late that the enterprise has generally shifted to smaller x86 hardware. It started with Microsoft and the WintelNT market, and countinued on with Linux.
The market space that Sun occupies and has good products out in, is, unfortunatly shrunk compared to five years ago.
638388 bytes /bin/bash* /usr/bin/python2.2
817796 bytes
less than 200kb more is hardly any more bloat on modern systems. SystemServices' equivalent of init will probably be as light as init too. It'll just call python scripts rather than bash scripts.
in my experience, people from spokane are neo-nazi hipsters or hairy mexicans running clandestine methamphetamine labs. which one are you?
> It's a standard.
A "standard" that requires most people (i.e, IE users) to download a plugin, a "standard" that almost nobody actually uses (unlike other similiar technologies like flash)
doesn't sound much of a "standard". just because the w3c endorses doesn't mean it'll become a true standard.
Simply Apalling. Rob Malda is a thief, a crook, and a would-be pedophile.
just a typical slashdot editor. typical.
Responsiveness? OSX's GUI is *way* less responsive than X, because everything is doublebuffered through the video card. That makes it *very* smooth, but it's not responsive at all. X isn't terribly responsive either, but it's better than OSX's.
Windows is probably the most responsive.
The problem is that one third of the linux world uses gtk stock icons (and gnome icon themes), and another third uses qaction icons (and kde icon themes), and still another third uses their own icons.
RH has fixed the first two with a consistant (bluecurve) set of icons, but it's again, fairly easy to break.
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> Sanctions should be applied to corporations pulling this B.S.
Great! Let's do this and see half of all tech companies go out of buisness and ruin the economy further for those of us Americans with jobs! It urge you to barge into Congress and stick it to them!
> American jobs should not be moving overseas
Yup, while we're at it, let's stop exporting shit to other countries too. The last time I was in India, there was coca-cola stands in every street corner and American products had flooded grocery stores. Buying kool-aid and nabisco ritz crackers is always fun to do in other countries. This is a stark difference for as little as ten years back, when there were products made by Indian companies were in grocery stores. All those companies got gobbled up by the richer American comapnies as soon as India stopped with it's protectionist policies.
Globalization has a much adverse effect on poorer countries than richer countries. It just fills the coffers of big American companies.
> because they have a habit of working here for a few years, pumping their earnings into the economy of their home country
Do you even know what a H1-B is? It's a freaking temp. VISA. Many H1-B's get greencards however, and that's a commitment to staying in the US. Other are refused and the only choice they have is to go back to their native countries even though they'd have liked to stay in the US.
> Diarrhea is common there, that its typical to respond to "how are you doing?" with "I have diarrhea."
That's why it's recommended for foreign nationals to drink boiled water for at least a year once moving to India. After that, you'll get used to the bacteria, protozoa, and other deadlies swimming in Indian water.
I'm not joking too.. The situation is a *little* better in South India in places like Bangalore, but absolutely stinks in north and east India (Delhi and Calcutta's water sucks ass)
Fully agreed!! Let's send back the 300 million people living in the US and give the land back to the native americans!!!
> It looks like my next KDE upgrade will be to 3.1.3
3.1.4 will be out soon, with bugfixes to 3.1.3.
> With so many applications built into KDE (KOffice, Konqueor, Games, etc.) you could almost have a nice little distro based entirely on KDE.
Lindows? Xandros? Lycoris? Corel Linux?
> Last I tried KDevelop, it kept crying for the documentation packages, which my distro didn't install because you apparently need the source code to have them. Bizarre.
:)
The new kdevelop in kde 3.2a1 has been pretty much rewritten from almost scratch. It's actually been in development for nearly 3 years.
> to that mess of a menu
The kmenu has also been cleared in up 3.2. Not only does it have a reduced amount of catagories, but it it follows the freedesktop menu standard (with GNOME (2.6?) and others), and it also has catagory headings for usability
Yes, and in kde 3.2a1, with khotkeys2, you can even define mouse gestures and attach dcop scripting calls, keystrokes, mouse movements, etc.. etc.. to any KDE app.
You could, for example, define a mouse gesture to tell kwin to close the current window. Or, you could define a keystroke a tell kdevelop (or any app using dcop) to open a new project and add a bunch of files to it.
Oh yeah, media keyboard support is also better in this alpha.
Wow, you'd think moderators would stop moderating posts that stopped being funny back in 1998.
Too bad nobody would develop for it because it was written in objective-C (remember that at that time, Apple hadn't even bought NeXT yet)
> Second, one would think those talented people could be used elsewhere on the KDE project.
Have you stopped to consider that most open source developers who are working on their own time want to work on whatever they want to work on? You can't force them to work on something else to suit tech gurus (like yourself, most likely), who have a different agenda to push "Linux to the masses."
I'm sure many KDE developers would love to see that happen, but I think most of them are working on whatever for fun. Not to destory microsoft or whatever many Linux zealots^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers want to do.
> My point is that a stripped-down Mozilla performs just as well.
Not really.. I compile both Mozilla and Firebird by myself, I don't compile in any more components besides the browser and the password/privacy manager in Mozilla. It still gets outperformed by Firebird.
Yes, please read the original post by parent. He already mentioned this.
> Not only that it's truly free and truly GNU, but it's also cooler and better looking,
Actually, despite GNOME being part of the GNU project (historical reasons, the FSF doesn't push GNOME much anymore), the licensing terms for KDE are more GNU-spirited than the licensing terms for GNOME. Qt has a better license (GPL), than Gtk for example (LGPL)
> HP
Actually HP dropped GNOME support and went back to CDE.
> KDE unfortunately feels so 1980s, and not in a good way, at all.
Report back when GNOME doesn't have a default theme and file dialog that mimics Windows 3.0.
> Case in point: KOffice, KDE's abominable attempt at an Office suite. As you say, why spend so much time making something that sucks so bad?
Nice trolling. Koffice was around before OpenOffice ever existed (ever saw the abomination that was StarOffice 5.1?). Koffice has pretty much had less then 10 developers working part time on it as a hobby for 5 years, while SO/OOo has had many full time developers working on various parts of it since 1989. There are obviously reasons to keep it around, in the same fashion that there are keep Epiphany or GNOME-office aroumd.
> For instance, the fantastic way Pango deals with multilingual issues.
Erm.. I'm just curious, but how is Pango any better in handeling multilingual issues that, for example, WindowsXP? Pango seemed to pay MASSIVE catchup for the international features that other environments (like WindowsXP, KDE/Qt, MacOSX) had for years.
The only real thing I can think of that Pango had and one of Pango's equivalents in other environments didn't have is the lack of proper Indic language support in Qt until Qt 3.2.