Yup, GNOME seems to have a much faster release period than KDE these days. But I think this was mainly because of the immaturity of GNOME 2.0 and 2.2. For me, 2.0 felt like alpha and 2.2 felt like beta software. Hopefully 2.4 feels like final, but I haven't tried it yet.
Jan. 28th - KDE 3.1 released Feb. 5th - GNOME 2.2 Released Sept. 10th - GNOME 2.4 released Nov-Dec, 2003 - KDE 3.2 released?
> Most imortantly it doesn't have a javascript console, if a javascript error occurs you have no idea what, where or when it went wrong, it just doesn't work.
It's there in CVS..
> And secondly, while close it doesn't support a few important CSS things, like overflow:scroll for one.
I beleive this was implemented a few weeks ago with one of the safari merges.
> First off... they wouldnt be sueing a 9 year old girl... they would be sueing her mother.
Yes, but they filed a supenioea against the daughter. They should at least check the backgrounds of who they are planning to prosecute BEFORE the press investigates.
> more and more data and that requires a different paradigm.
I don't think an user has many more amount of files than they did 1 year or 3 years ago. Instead, file sizes of documents are growing larger. I still remember the day when I used to download "various media files" encoded with QuickTime or RealPlayer that were terribly low quality but were very small sizes (20-40 mb)
Nowadays, 1.5gb SVCD's are becoming the norm, and people often post 8gb non-encoded DVD rips over things like bittorent. People are starting to use higher bitrates of things like mp3s.
As for things like documents, I would have to guess that the average user keeps around the same amount of documents in their harddrive as they have been for the last 3 years (pretty much since the downfall of the floppy and zip drives...)
basically, putting all of your shit on a harddrive is not any more common of a thing to do as it was 3 years ago, but certainly is more common than 6 years ago. The problem is that 3 years ago, things like storage would not have taken off, and since the situation has remain unchanged since then, they still won't =D
Microsoft didn't really put in much investment in Cairo after it was pretty apparent that nobody really cared for it at the time. Most people really don't like novel ways of doing things. There is too much investment in the old ways atm. I guess if the world were different, we would all be using Microsoft Bob right now.
So, I think this GNOME thing will also sizzle out after a while.
> Sounds like people aren't coding compatible RTF readers to me.
The problem with RTF is that there isn't really a single codified standard for what you should implement. Most people just follow MS Word's implementation, but it has so many quirks (even between versions), that it's hard to do it properly.
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> Keep your Xine.... > Mplayer is built right. A command line player and > a GUI that is seperate.
Uh, xine already does this. It even does it better than mplayer since the non-GUI part is a shared library.
As a result, most of the mplayer frontends are pretty hackishly done. They often have to make elaborate layers between themselves and mplayer. It's much easier to do with xine.
Are the gnumeric developers ever going to switch to the OASIS format soon? (like the koffice developers recently started doing)
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No.. it's against the GNOME hig I beleive to have menu items that show the program name and not the function. It's also a no-no to have the program name in the window caption as well.
Similiar things are happening in the KDE world. The k-names will still be there, but at least in the kmenu, the descriptions will be emphasized over the binary names.
The application names will still remain in the window titles. Most every other system does this except for GNOME.. another inconsistancy between GNOME vs. the world:-) (not to mention inconsistancy between one GNOME app and another, and even a gtk app versus a qt app versus a gnome app versus a KDE app running in GNOME)
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Remember this solution isn't tied to KDE. It's cross platform. Evolution is tied to GNOME*, Kontact is tied to KDE*. Aetheria is tied to nothing.
* - these can of course be run in other X11-related paltforms as well, but rely on KDE-libs and GNOME-libs. Aetheria runs on Windows as well as it does on Linux, and perhaps MacOSX too.
I'm sorry, but you have an extremely English-oriented view of the world. In the future, OSS is going to be less and less important on English itself, as things become more and more localized.
I wonder how "Safari" will sound in Mandarin or Hindi. I wonder if the Vietnamese consider "Q" easier to pronounce than "B".
Overall, I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to make sweeping generalizations about human-kind just because something is harder to pronounce in your own particular language.
> Or, at least that's what UI professionals tell me.
Or... that's what Ximian marketing tells you:)
Honestly, I don't really care whether KDE or GNOME becomes the "default" desktop. They are both like Windows for a reason.
> as well as easier to spell and pronounce names
hmm, wow, that's an mildly racist comment actually, and shows that you're living in one particular world view (lemme guess, you're either American or European?).. different cultures have different words that they are easier and not-as-easier to pronounce. In my view, I think GNOME is hard to pronounce.. I had no idea on the correct pronouncation until I heard others say it. Even though I am quite fluent in English now, I still occaisionally have problems with pronouncations of some words in English.
You're either trolling or completely ignorant about the whole situation.
> Qt is made by TrollTech which has considerable participation
The Canopy group/SCO has a 5.5% investment in Trolltech. Trolltech is a small private company and as such, the employees own more than 60% of it's stock. Considering that many of Trolltech's developers have strong open source backgrounds, they have the defacto decision power.
> Considering their stance of "the GPL is invalid", there is still a risk that the rug could be pulled out and leave KDE in a pretty serious quagmire.
Incorrect... this issue was fixed way back in 1998 with the KDE Free Qt foundation (see here) . Qt would be released under the BSD license. This was done to obviously protect KDE's interests.
> I beg to differ. Start konqueror without starting kde, and then do a ps. konqueror starts kde for you. Kill kde, and konqueror and other kde apps die. You not only need the libraries, but the runtime environment.
I think you're largely ignorant about KDE's architecture. Konqueror (and practically any KDE app) uses "kioslaves" for i/o, whether it be local or network based (KDE is network transparent). They are fork()ed' processes, so they appear as different from konqueror in a process list.
Konqueror also needs things like kded and dcopserver for IPC to work.
> it's broken compatability in a major way only once, compared to KDEs 2 times
Because, uh, KDE has been around for a long time (by one year), and has been actually usuable for a longer time (nearly two years.. I'm sorry, but nothing until GNOME 1.0.5x was actually usable..)
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Yup, GNOME seems to have a much faster release period than KDE these days. But I think this was mainly because of the immaturity of GNOME 2.0 and 2.2. For me, 2.0 felt like alpha and 2.2 felt like beta software. Hopefully 2.4 feels like final, but I haven't tried it yet.
Jan. 28th - KDE 3.1 released
Feb. 5th - GNOME 2.2 Released
Sept. 10th - GNOME 2.4 released
Nov-Dec, 2003 - KDE 3.2 released?
> Most imortantly it doesn't have a javascript console, if a javascript error occurs you have no idea what, where or when it went wrong, it just doesn't work.
It's there in CVS..
> And secondly, while close it doesn't support a few important CSS things, like overflow:scroll for one.
I beleive this was implemented a few weeks ago with one of the safari merges.
No, but Galeon predates Phoenix/Firebird, and came at a time when Mozilla was a huge beast (it still is?)
> First off... they wouldnt be sueing a 9 year old girl... they would be sueing her mother.
Yes, but they filed a supenioea against the daughter. They should at least check the backgrounds of who they are planning to prosecute BEFORE the press investigates.
KaZaA isn't based in the US. Whether the COPPA applies to them is ambigious at best with current internet regulations.
Wow, I've never read a more ignorant post. Ever heard of KaZaA Plus?
> more and more data and that requires a different paradigm.
I don't think an user has many more amount of files than they did 1 year or 3 years ago. Instead, file sizes of documents are growing larger. I still remember the day when I used to download "various media files" encoded with QuickTime or RealPlayer that were terribly low quality but were very small sizes (20-40 mb)
Nowadays, 1.5gb SVCD's are becoming the norm, and people often post 8gb non-encoded DVD rips over things like bittorent. People are starting to use higher bitrates of things like mp3s.
As for things like documents, I would have to guess that the average user keeps around the same amount of documents in their harddrive as they have been for the last 3 years (pretty much since the downfall of the floppy and zip drives...)
basically, putting all of your shit on a harddrive is not any more common of a thing to do as it was 3 years ago, but certainly is more common than 6 years ago. The problem is that 3 years ago, things like storage would not have taken off, and since the situation has remain unchanged since then, they still won't =D
Microsoft didn't really put in much investment in Cairo after it was pretty apparent that nobody really cared for it at the time. Most people really don't like novel ways of doing things. There is too much investment in the old ways atm. I guess if the world were different, we would all be using Microsoft Bob right now.
So, I think this GNOME thing will also sizzle out after a while.
> Sounds like people aren't coding compatible RTF readers to me.
The problem with RTF is that there isn't really a single codified standard for what you should implement. Most people just follow MS Word's implementation, but it has so many quirks (even between versions), that it's hard to do it properly.
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Because of XFree86's poor scheduler.
You can also try kmplayer, which is included with kde's extragear packages.
I personally like kplayer the best.. I think they are adding xine to that too.
> Keep your Xine....
> Mplayer is built right. A command line player and > a GUI that is seperate.
Uh, xine already does this. It even does it better than mplayer since the non-GUI part is a shared library.
As a result, most of the mplayer frontends are pretty hackishly done. They often have to make elaborate layers between themselves and mplayer. It's much easier to do with xine.
Are the gnumeric developers ever going to switch to the OASIS format soon? (like the koffice developers recently started doing)
No.. it's against the GNOME hig I beleive to have menu items that show the program name and not the function. It's also a no-no to have the program name in the window caption as well.
:-) (not to mention inconsistancy between one GNOME app and another, and even a gtk app versus a qt app versus a gnome app versus a KDE app running in GNOME)
Similiar things are happening in the KDE world. The k-names will still be there, but at least in the kmenu, the descriptions will be emphasized over the binary names.
The application names will still remain in the window titles. Most every other system does this except for GNOME.. another inconsistancy between GNOME vs. the world
Remember this solution isn't tied to KDE. It's cross platform. Evolution is tied to GNOME*, Kontact is tied to KDE*. Aetheria is tied to nothing.
* - these can of course be run in other X11-related paltforms as well, but rely on KDE-libs and GNOME-libs. Aetheria runs on Windows as well as it does on Linux, and perhaps MacOSX too.
Wow, your wit sure is outstanding. I bet it carves butter like a hot K-nife.
I'm sorry, but you have an extremely English-oriented view of the world. In the future, OSS is going to be less and less important on English itself, as things become more and more localized.
I wonder how "Safari" will sound in Mandarin or Hindi. I wonder if the Vietnamese consider "Q" easier to pronounce than "B".
Overall, I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to make sweeping generalizations about human-kind just because something is harder to pronounce in your own particular language.
> The lack of vector graphics was on of the major arguments citing why X11 doesn't work very well over low-bandwidth links.
Have you ever heard of NX? It's not vector based yet beats the shit out of vector based protocols.
> Or, at least that's what UI professionals tell me.
:)
Or... that's what Ximian marketing tells you
Honestly, I don't really care whether KDE or GNOME becomes the "default" desktop. They are both like Windows for a reason.
> as well as easier to spell and pronounce names
hmm, wow, that's an mildly racist comment actually, and shows that you're living in one particular world view (lemme guess, you're either American or European?).. different cultures have different words that they are easier and not-as-easier to pronounce. In my view, I think GNOME is hard to pronounce.. I had no idea on the correct pronouncation until I heard others say it.
Even though I am quite fluent in English now, I still occaisionally have problems with pronouncations of some words in English.
You're either trolling or completely ignorant about the whole situation.
> Qt is made by TrollTech which has considerable participation
The Canopy group/SCO has a 5.5% investment in Trolltech. Trolltech is a small private company and as such, the employees own more than 60% of it's stock. Considering that many of Trolltech's developers have strong open source backgrounds, they have the defacto decision power.
> Considering their stance of "the GPL is invalid", there is still a risk that the rug could be pulled out and leave KDE in a pretty serious quagmire.
Incorrect... this issue was fixed way back in 1998 with the KDE Free Qt foundation (see here) . Qt would be released under the BSD license. This was done to obviously protect KDE's interests.
Not really. Trolls are often the most intelligent part of /.
get a clue plz. mr anon =-[
> I beg to differ. Start konqueror without starting kde, and then do a ps. konqueror starts kde for you. Kill kde, and konqueror and other kde apps die. You not only need the libraries, but the runtime environment.
I think you're largely ignorant about KDE's architecture. Konqueror (and practically any KDE app) uses "kioslaves" for i/o, whether it be local or network based (KDE is network transparent). They are fork()ed' processes, so they appear as different from konqueror in a process list.
Konqueror also needs things like kded and dcopserver for IPC to work.
.. and pretty much all apps I use are Qt based..
Konqueror, kopete, juk, kmail/knode/korganizer, k3b come to mind.
The only gtk app that I used to use since switching from gnome 1.x to kde is xmms, but I recently switched to juk.
I also use a fair deal of non-Qt and non-Gtk apps, like irssi, OOo, etc..
> it's broken compatability in a major way only once, compared to KDEs 2 times
Because, uh, KDE has been around for a long time (by one year), and has been actually usuable for a longer time (nearly two years.. I'm sorry, but nothing until GNOME 1.0.5x was actually usable..)
Report back when GNOME 3.0 is released, k1dd13.