I agree, this will only make it easier to let ISPs continue this rediculous crusade of charging more to make more bandwidth available, but limiting our ability to use it. This is the sort of thing that the telecomm companys on the wrong end of Net Neutrality would jump at as a chance to further their cause. I'm sure this is entirely possible; in theory, the idea is quite simple. I'm sad to see someone going out of their way to essentially further limit what we can do with thwe internet connection we pay good money for.
It is my firm belief that if you pay for 3M down, 512K up, you should be able to use that for whatever the hell you want. No caveats, no addendums. That whole "BT and HD are choking the internet" thing is a load of bull.
I will come out first by saying that WoW is the last game I purchased, and that was years ago when it first came out. That said, EVE sounds an AWFUL lot like Freelancer to me. Any truth to this?
White hat hackers do things like this pro bono all the time. Perhaps you might recall when a security researcher found a critical flaw in the Cisco OS that could have potentially been exploited to bring down half the internet's backbone infrastructure? Or perhaps you might recall the time that a security pro found a rootkit on a Sony CD? If I went up to you and told you your fly was down, that is a white hat hacker exploit report. If I went up to you and stuck a red hot pocker through your open fly, that is a black hat exploit.
Though, I'm tempted to do that to you anyway, despite the color of hat I wear.
This guy didn't exploit the issue, he immediately made the responsible party aware of the problem. I don't recall him ever flying on a bogus boarding pass. Learn the difference and stop preaching blindly.
Not true. OJ Simpson got off the hook in his criminal trial, but got his ass kicked in a wrongful death civil suit. Granted, he can't be locked up (at least initially, if he doesn't pay up, I think he can under certain guidelines) and can't be put to death in a civil suit, but he can most definitely be privately prosecuted.
You're preaching to the choir, bub. As a frequent traveler, I am met occasionally with hostility based on my country's political image. I try to remind these people that, A.)Bush was not elected by the majority in this country. He got in on a technicality that outlived its usefulness upon the invention of the telephone. B.)To this day, the (much more) overwelming majority of this country does not appove what he does. His approval rating has been sinking like a stone since, well, right after he showed up on a carrier and declared victory on a war (that shouldn't have heppened in the first place) that was far from over.
There are, in fact, millions of people in this country that never bought into the bullshit, never voted for any of the things that have been carried out in the name of our country, and never had anything against these other countries that hate us.
Except France. You fuckers can die in a fire.
I think the most ominous part of the article is the last part, where LG will "be making a statement when the time is right." I'm not a gambling man, but a statement like that would make me bet that LG is about to pull its support for Blu-Ray. That could be a HUGE blow to the movement.
Hope this is the beginning of the end for Blu-Ray. Not that I wish Sony any malice, (despite all their bad press, I still like most of their products) I just want there to be a single HD standard. If one of them has to die a cruel death, well, that's the industry. Let's hope it is a quick death spasm.
I think you underestimate the hold that M$ has within the market. Have you forgotten about all the A-List programs associated with M$ that have promised their next interation to be a Vista-only product? Do you want to play Halo 3? Better get a 360, or better get Vista. These are strong-arm tactics, yes, but they are strong-arm tactics with a deeper strategy than you think.
I do think you are correct that it will cause further friction against Redmond. But unfortunately, most of these EULA offences will not make it past the geek community. I used to work at Geek Squad, and I tell you without a shadow of a doubt that if I tried to sum up TFA in my best layman's terms, the average Best Buy computer buyer would have a thick glaze over their eyes and an inevitable, "Just tell me how much the computer will cost" attitude. However, in the geek community, there will be higher reports of OS migration. I will place myself as an example. Not neccessarily because of, but certainoy with Vista in mind, I have been toying more and more with the idea of buying an Apple. (Mostly because I'm in a band, and I'm beginning to dabble with more of the creative functions a computer offers, though I think Cakewalk Sonar is where it's at for recording software. Yeah, that's right, you ProTools people can suck it). I'm also playing frequently with my new copy of SUSE 10.1, which to me, seems like an inspired choice for Google or whomever to offer as an alternative, due to its ease of install, and attractive UI. as has been stated on/. before, these qualities will ease the journey for M$ expatriates.
I haven't paid for Windows since Win95, (or, at least, more than $5-$10 for the college issue). Microsoft seems to be content with opening a back door to a lot of these policies by issuing an open-license version of Windows to larger clients. There are, I'm sure, enough sysadmins here that one could almost envision a threadjacking regularly commence, similar to when gmail accounts were a hot commodity. Someone simply makes a post saying they have extra copies of Windows, who wants em. I would imagine that, should M$ continue with this policy, that the EULA segments pertaining to license transfers won't really matter. With every version of Windows I have had (after my one retail bout with Win95) I simply enter a serial key, and I'm done. My copy of XP pro still passes the stupid Authenticity test, or whatever that thing is, without any hacking done on my part.
Personally, I'm a firm supporter of subversion in the face of corporate callousness. I have learned the hard way that corporations tend to have better lobbyists, so if an even moderately technical issue needs government intervention, I have learned to prepare for the the worst. I would cite our current net-neutrality debacle as evidence of this.
Companies always seem to cry loudest when they are the victims of IP theft, (real or imagined... the MPAA is feeding all the right people all the wrong statistics) and that seems to spark a lot more policy debate than a failed class-action lawsuit, boycott, or protest. So, at least if i obtain my copy of Windows at a less than ethical standard, there is the chance that there might be some activity (albeit about 50/50 bad to good) that may commence, much more so than if I had simply shelled out 400 clams for something that will (as history has proved without fail) to be inherantly broken.
I will explain this a little more before I get off my soapbox, because I feel that some will still question the logic here. Napster. Napster (perhaps unintentionally) created a voice to millions of people who decided they were sick of shelling out $15-20 for a CD that they heard one good song on, and came home and found out that there was a total of one good song on, the rest they could care less about. So, in the ensuing months/years, millions of people had easy access to all the music they wanted, no more, no less. (OK, more, but let's say for the sake of argument they didn't download it unless they wanted it). This of course sparked huge controversy that exists today. While some would conclude that the DRM issues we run into on a daily basis are the direct and only result of this, I would beg that you consider that the industry has seen that public has spoken, and while it has launched features to protect its assets, it has also launched features to appeal to the same filesharing crowd they cried wolf on. iTunes. CD preview stations at Borders. Allowing musicians to use the internet to more closely allign themselves to what the public wants. (See the cover story about Beck from Wired a couple months ago). My point is, that while massive theft forced the industry into a panic, resulting in things like the great Sony rootkit scandal, and the overbearing Apple DRM, it also forced them to change, and forced talks between oppsing viewpoint groups.
What will happen if we apply this same concept to the OS market. Predictably, a $400 OS with more limited options will stem greater growth in Apple and Linux. It will also force more people to side with me, and effectively refuse to pay the rediculous amount of money, but admit that we are dependant on a microsoft OS because of its interoperability with 90% of the programs most computer-savvy people need to survive their day-to-day lives. Increased alternate-OS market share and subversion and piracy will be the message that disporves the idea that M$ can do whatever they want with their supposed captive audience. This will stem more stern lockdowns, which will stem more controversy, reaching higher levels
Given the numerous threads/posts here about how litigation-happy this country is, what is a story like this doing on the front page? I mean, while I can see this is a clear shot at some free money, it's sort of exactly the problem we all have been complaining about when stories break about SCO, Jack Thompson, and recently SGI.
I'm interested to see how the Slashdot majority weighs in on this, (note I said majority, not vocal minority of asshats). It seems like we might set an example and find other means of stopping these calls that doesn't involve litigation, so to not add further weight to the argument that the US law system is upside down. What do you think?
I like the way you think. Those are all AWESOME ideas. It's the next logical step for audio museum, bus and taxi tours. I was always hoping this would happen, (figures I just got my second iPod 3 weeks ago. Going to be a while before I get another one) so I could listed to Groove Salad on my iPod.
Some of us were not blocked with a wide-open office connection. Can someone rehost these slanderous pictures in a websense-friendly domain? Thanks a million!
Wireless does suck battery. But given that my new nano advertises up to a 24 hour battery life, I'm not too worried about it. I do trust Apple to be able to put together something like that in a neat, functional package (I've been wrong before, but it's important to stay positive...) Also, I listen to a lot of internet radio, and I think it would be awesome to be able to listen to Groove Salad whilst mowing the lawn or working around the house (without blasting it out of one room). There are definitely applications out there for such a thing. Plus, security-wise, a wireless ipod would be just as succeptable as anything else. Personally, I'm of the opnion that if you don't secure your home wireless connection, you are either openly inviting people to share your network, or, by your inabilty to spend 5 minutes reading the manual, have no business comlaining about security issues.
There was also a "submit a future ipod" design contest a while back... I think it was on ilounge.com. Someone put together a CG drawing of an ipod with a cell phone built in. Not like the cell phones with iTunes. The other way around. I think if Apple were to design it around the ipod franchise, it would be the next big cell phone craze.
I have had a 1stG Mini for a while, and I liked it OK, until the battery started to fade. I got a nano this week for opening a bank account (yeah, that's right), and I have to say, I like all the improvements thus far. The nano I got has the ability to hold photos, but I wish it could put a photo in as a wallpaper, say while there's no activity going on. Also, I know that wireless is just around the corner. It seems like the next logical step. Wireless sync to Itunes? Yeah, I could dig that. Unfortunately, my opinion of ITunes is not as lofty. I think their DRM position is a little overbearing. Trying to transfer songs from one ipod to the other, (and really, this should have a solution, if Apple expects sales to continue, it is inevitable there will be more and more multiple-ipod homes) is a pain in the neck (without using 3rd party software). Things like pulling songs off, after iTunes has renamed the files to an unintelligble 4 letter code seems like obstination to me. For a company that boasts ease of use above all else., I think iTunes is a stinker.
True... to a point. Keep in mind that with all of the new technology being injected into the game industry, and, more importantly, the vastly opposing directions various consoles and chip makers are going technology-wise, that Publisher/developer costs are about to skyrocket, as they, (albeit, according to them... this is a bit like asking the oil industry about their cost variables) are forced to develop very different versions of the same game, whose complexity is increasing exponentially in order to take advantage of the latest advances. While the PC market is fairly linear, (at the moment) EA is also vested in the console market, and in order to keep games at a price point consumers can relate to, they must find alternative means of income to offset rising development costs. I know it seems like a drag that you as a PC player are forced to offset the costs of console games, but think of it more in the light that these manufacturers are unable to direct this kind of targeted advertising on a console market, at least until we start surfing the web regularly on our consoles. Also, as reprehensible as I find the addition of mandatory spyware, I do have some good experiences with targetted advertising. I have clicked on links on moe than a few occasions based on keywords in a gmail message. Gmail is a little more subtle about their advertising, but just as intrusive into your personal information; if you read their privacy policy regarding your personal mail, you may be shocked. Not to diss gmail. I love it, despite the Big Brother vibe.
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I read this book in middle school. Isn't he supposed to go searching for intelligent life inside of cellular mitochindrion?
I can't believe I managed to pull that reference out of my butt. Go me.
Would this perhaps be possible with a system-wide implementation of IPv6? Isn't there room in the packet header for this sort of thing?
I agree, this will only make it easier to let ISPs continue this rediculous crusade of charging more to make more bandwidth available, but limiting our ability to use it. This is the sort of thing that the telecomm companys on the wrong end of Net Neutrality would jump at as a chance to further their cause. I'm sure this is entirely possible; in theory, the idea is quite simple. I'm sad to see someone going out of their way to essentially further limit what we can do with thwe internet connection we pay good money for.
It is my firm belief that if you pay for 3M down, 512K up, you should be able to use that for whatever the hell you want. No caveats, no addendums. That whole "BT and HD are choking the internet" thing is a load of bull.
What about Ass Pennies then?!?
You sir, are going to a special hell, normally reserved for people who take advantage of young girls and who talk at the theater.
I will come out first by saying that WoW is the last game I purchased, and that was years ago when it first came out. That said, EVE sounds an AWFUL lot like Freelancer to me. Any truth to this?
BS.
White hat hackers do things like this pro bono all the time. Perhaps you might recall when a security researcher found a critical flaw in the Cisco OS that could have potentially been exploited to bring down half the internet's backbone infrastructure? Or perhaps you might recall the time that a security pro found a rootkit on a Sony CD? If I went up to you and told you your fly was down, that is a white hat hacker exploit report. If I went up to you and stuck a red hot pocker through your open fly, that is a black hat exploit.
Though, I'm tempted to do that to you anyway, despite the color of hat I wear.
This guy didn't exploit the issue, he immediately made the responsible party aware of the problem. I don't recall him ever flying on a bogus boarding pass. Learn the difference and stop preaching blindly.
Not true. OJ Simpson got off the hook in his criminal trial, but got his ass kicked in a wrongful death civil suit. Granted, he can't be locked up (at least initially, if he doesn't pay up, I think he can under certain guidelines) and can't be put to death in a civil suit, but he can most definitely be privately prosecuted.
You see that last part there? That is known as a JOKE. Sheesh.
You're preaching to the choir, bub. As a frequent traveler, I am met occasionally with hostility based on my country's political image. I try to remind these people that, A.)Bush was not elected by the majority in this country. He got in on a technicality that outlived its usefulness upon the invention of the telephone. B.)To this day, the (much more) overwelming majority of this country does not appove what he does. His approval rating has been sinking like a stone since, well, right after he showed up on a carrier and declared victory on a war (that shouldn't have heppened in the first place) that was far from over.
There are, in fact, millions of people in this country that never bought into the bullshit, never voted for any of the things that have been carried out in the name of our country, and never had anything against these other countries that hate us.
Except France. You fuckers can die in a fire.
I find that particularly funny as you live in Redmond.
I think the most ominous part of the article is the last part, where LG will "be making a statement when the time is right." I'm not a gambling man, but a statement like that would make me bet that LG is about to pull its support for Blu-Ray. That could be a HUGE blow to the movement.
Hope this is the beginning of the end for Blu-Ray. Not that I wish Sony any malice, (despite all their bad press, I still like most of their products) I just want there to be a single HD standard. If one of them has to die a cruel death, well, that's the industry. Let's hope it is a quick death spasm.
Oh yeah. And I just found this! In response to parent. Lovely. Just lovely.
I think you underestimate the hold that M$ has within the market. Have you forgotten about all the A-List programs associated with M$ that have promised their next interation to be a Vista-only product? Do you want to play Halo 3? Better get a 360, or better get Vista. These are strong-arm tactics, yes, but they are strong-arm tactics with a deeper strategy than you think. /. before, these qualities will ease the journey for M$ expatriates.
I do think you are correct that it will cause further friction against Redmond. But unfortunately, most of these EULA offences will not make it past the geek community. I used to work at Geek Squad, and I tell you without a shadow of a doubt that if I tried to sum up TFA in my best layman's terms, the average Best Buy computer buyer would have a thick glaze over their eyes and an inevitable, "Just tell me how much the computer will cost" attitude. However, in the geek community, there will be higher reports of OS migration. I will place myself as an example. Not neccessarily because of, but certainoy with Vista in mind, I have been toying more and more with the idea of buying an Apple. (Mostly because I'm in a band, and I'm beginning to dabble with more of the creative functions a computer offers, though I think Cakewalk Sonar is where it's at for recording software. Yeah, that's right, you ProTools people can suck it). I'm also playing frequently with my new copy of SUSE 10.1, which to me, seems like an inspired choice for Google or whomever to offer as an alternative, due to its ease of install, and attractive UI. as has been stated on
I haven't paid for Windows since Win95, (or, at least, more than $5-$10 for the college issue). Microsoft seems to be content with opening a back door to a lot of these policies by issuing an open-license version of Windows to larger clients. There are, I'm sure, enough sysadmins here that one could almost envision a threadjacking regularly commence, similar to when gmail accounts were a hot commodity. Someone simply makes a post saying they have extra copies of Windows, who wants em. I would imagine that, should M$ continue with this policy, that the EULA segments pertaining to license transfers won't really matter. With every version of Windows I have had (after my one retail bout with Win95) I simply enter a serial key, and I'm done. My copy of XP pro still passes the stupid Authenticity test, or whatever that thing is, without any hacking done on my part.
Personally, I'm a firm supporter of subversion in the face of corporate callousness. I have learned the hard way that corporations tend to have better lobbyists, so if an even moderately technical issue needs government intervention, I have learned to prepare for the the worst. I would cite our current net-neutrality debacle as evidence of this.
Companies always seem to cry loudest when they are the victims of IP theft, (real or imagined... the MPAA is feeding all the right people all the wrong statistics) and that seems to spark a lot more policy debate than a failed class-action lawsuit, boycott, or protest. So, at least if i obtain my copy of Windows at a less than ethical standard, there is the chance that there might be some activity (albeit about 50/50 bad to good) that may commence, much more so than if I had simply shelled out 400 clams for something that will (as history has proved without fail) to be inherantly broken.
I will explain this a little more before I get off my soapbox, because I feel that some will still question the logic here. Napster. Napster (perhaps unintentionally) created a voice to millions of people who decided they were sick of shelling out $15-20 for a CD that they heard one good song on, and came home and found out that there was a total of one good song on, the rest they could care less about. So, in the ensuing months/years, millions of people had easy access to all the music they wanted, no more, no less. (OK, more, but let's say for the sake of argument they didn't download it unless they wanted it). This of course sparked huge controversy that exists today. While some would conclude that the DRM issues we run into on a daily basis are the direct and only result of this, I would beg that you consider that the industry has seen that public has spoken, and while it has launched features to protect its assets, it has also launched features to appeal to the same filesharing crowd they cried wolf on. iTunes. CD preview stations at Borders. Allowing musicians to use the internet to more closely allign themselves to what the public wants. (See the cover story about Beck from Wired a couple months ago). My point is, that while massive theft forced the industry into a panic, resulting in things like the great Sony rootkit scandal, and the overbearing Apple DRM, it also forced them to change, and forced talks between oppsing viewpoint groups.
What will happen if we apply this same concept to the OS market. Predictably, a $400 OS with more limited options will stem greater growth in Apple and Linux. It will also force more people to side with me, and effectively refuse to pay the rediculous amount of money, but admit that we are dependant on a microsoft OS because of its interoperability with 90% of the programs most computer-savvy people need to survive their day-to-day lives. Increased alternate-OS market share and subversion and piracy will be the message that disporves the idea that M$ can do whatever they want with their supposed captive audience. This will stem more stern lockdowns, which will stem more controversy, reaching higher levels
Given the numerous threads/posts here about how litigation-happy this country is, what is a story like this doing on the front page? I mean, while I can see this is a clear shot at some free money, it's sort of exactly the problem we all have been complaining about when stories break about SCO, Jack Thompson, and recently SGI.
I'm interested to see how the Slashdot majority weighs in on this, (note I said majority, not vocal minority of asshats). It seems like we might set an example and find other means of stopping these calls that doesn't involve litigation, so to not add further weight to the argument that the US law system is upside down. What do you think?
An event like this only comes around once in a life time.
That's a pretty liberal use of the world life there pal...
I like the way you think. Those are all AWESOME ideas. It's the next logical step for audio museum, bus and taxi tours. I was always hoping this would happen, (figures I just got my second iPod 3 weeks ago. Going to be a while before I get another one) so I could listed to Groove Salad on my iPod.
I want my consultant fee for this. I think 10% of gross sales is a nice, round number. :)
Blessed. BLESSED with a wide open connection. God I have to watch the Freudian slips!
Some of us were not blocked with a wide-open office connection. Can someone rehost these slanderous pictures in a websense-friendly domain? Thanks a million!
Wireless does suck battery. But given that my new nano advertises up to a 24 hour battery life, I'm not too worried about it. I do trust Apple to be able to put together something like that in a neat, functional package (I've been wrong before, but it's important to stay positive...) Also, I listen to a lot of internet radio, and I think it would be awesome to be able to listen to Groove Salad whilst mowing the lawn or working around the house (without blasting it out of one room). There are definitely applications out there for such a thing. Plus, security-wise, a wireless ipod would be just as succeptable as anything else. Personally, I'm of the opnion that if you don't secure your home wireless connection, you are either openly inviting people to share your network, or, by your inabilty to spend 5 minutes reading the manual, have no business comlaining about security issues.
There was also a "submit a future ipod" design contest a while back... I think it was on ilounge.com. Someone put together a CG drawing of an ipod with a cell phone built in. Not like the cell phones with iTunes. The other way around. I think if Apple were to design it around the ipod franchise, it would be the next big cell phone craze.
I have had a 1stG Mini for a while, and I liked it OK, until the battery started to fade. I got a nano this week for opening a bank account (yeah, that's right), and I have to say, I like all the improvements thus far. The nano I got has the ability to hold photos, but I wish it could put a photo in as a wallpaper, say while there's no activity going on.
Also, I know that wireless is just around the corner. It seems like the next logical step. Wireless sync to Itunes? Yeah, I could dig that. Unfortunately, my opinion of ITunes is not as lofty. I think their DRM position is a little overbearing. Trying to transfer songs from one ipod to the other, (and really, this should have a solution, if Apple expects sales to continue, it is inevitable there will be more and more multiple-ipod homes) is a pain in the neck (without using 3rd party software). Things like pulling songs off, after iTunes has renamed the files to an unintelligble 4 letter code seems like obstination to me. For a company that boasts ease of use above all else., I think iTunes is a stinker.
True... to a point. Keep in mind that with all of the new technology being injected into the game industry, and, more importantly, the vastly opposing directions various consoles and chip makers are going technology-wise, that Publisher/developer costs are about to skyrocket, as they, (albeit, according to them... this is a bit like asking the oil industry about their cost variables) are forced to develop very different versions of the same game, whose complexity is increasing exponentially in order to take advantage of the latest advances. While the PC market is fairly linear, (at the moment) EA is also vested in the console market, and in order to keep games at a price point consumers can relate to, they must find alternative means of income to offset rising development costs. I know it seems like a drag that you as a PC player are forced to offset the costs of console games, but think of it more in the light that these manufacturers are unable to direct this kind of targeted advertising on a console market, at least until we start surfing the web regularly on our consoles. Also, as reprehensible as I find the addition of mandatory spyware, I do have some good experiences with targetted advertising. I have clicked on links on moe than a few occasions based on keywords in a gmail message. Gmail is a little more subtle about their advertising, but just as intrusive into your personal information; if you read their privacy policy regarding your personal mail, you may be shocked. Not to diss gmail. I love it, despite the Big Brother vibe.