Opera 9 likes all my fancy javascript/svg/ajax stuff, even though when I started I was only targeting Firefox. Even the weirdest, most complex stuff.
And Konqueror/Safari aren't so bad off either, other than I'm waiting for their SVG support to catch up.
So, with IE gone, there is no need for another monoculture. Stuff written for Firefox doesn't have to be viewed on Firefox, just on something other than IE. But even if it does, I'd rather have any other monoculture than IE. It's simply horrid.
_If that was speculation, then you're missing a couple of conditions. Try throwing in some more "ifs" and "maybes" next time, instead of stating your fantasies as facts:_
My apologies. I didn't realize that there wasn't an implicit speculative nature going on here... you sound like a native english speaker, what's your excuse?
Would you expect -me- to? I don't even know if what we're talking about happened in the US. Let alone to whom.
I wouldn't expect that the guy this happened to has much either, but it's hardly reasonable to adamantly state that there can't be any at all, which is what you seem to be doing.
Civil, not criminal. Burden of evidence is quite a bit lighter. Lighter still, considering that in most such cases of discrimination it boils down to a few witnesses... it's not like they crack out the mass spectrometer and MRI scans of the defendants or something.
As for witnesses, what are the chances that in the past couple years since that manager was working there, that someone didn't overhear a racially slanted joke, or that a black kid didn't get pissed at the manager for how he was scheduled some week? Huh? It could be interesting. I'm not suggesting fabricating evidence and testimony, but it's the rare environment indeed where there is nothing at all that might look like such, viewed from a certain perspective.
Selling it to a judge or a jury? Not so likely, but it might not be dismissed out of hand. And when that's the case, sometimes companies settle rather than fight...
Except that I suspect the computer will not be broken forever. Unless it is, then in this case, it's quite clear that they're not doing that, now are they?
All very debatable. Courts love this sort of thing. The asshole manager certainly didn't do anything that would make it obvious that my interpretation was wrong though, now did he?
If the applicant is a minority, I think a pretty good case could be made that the manager pushed a secret button to make it malfunction.
You know, he's the kind of guy that is a bit tech-savvy, maybe even does a little programming at home. Maybe he accidentally discovered he could induce the bug that prevents it from working, with a certain procedure.
This is aggravated by the fact that, when asked to fix the flaw that makes it impossible to take applications, he refused. Obviously, tomorrow some white guy would have no problem with the machine. That's the real kicker, wouldn't someone who was experiencing a software bug try to make good on it, either by having the computer fixed or by handing out paper applications?
No, I don't think you can. As soon as it goes to court, most judges --*really*-- frown these sorts of shenanigans. Especially if you're handing out the english applications to the white folks, and the linear B applications to the coloreds, so to speak.
Complying with the letter of the law isn't enough, especially if it's obvious even to fools that you aren't complying with the spirit of it.
Actually, the application isn't available. It's the equivalent of handing someone a paper application written in hieroglyphics, with a nice big warning up at the top written in english saying "any application not filled out completely and correctly will be tossed".
It's an unreasonable and insurmountable burden to completing the application, even if it is theoretically possible to comply.
Shame that. Why the hell can't I ever find a place like this then?
Doesn't matter though, I'm a skill-less loser, you wouldn't hire me anyway.
I did, however, just get scaling to work on my javascript/SVG 3d rendering page... (Firefox/moz/opera9 only). Sorry, had to brag, it's been frustrating me for days.
Except these sorts of hiring procedures are performed by sociopathic managerial types, more often than not. Anyone that could work well with them, has severe personality issues anyway... they want to make sure that you are broken, and that you are broken in a way that makes you easy to use.
Whatever, you poser. Did you design a relational database schema with over 50 tables, 70 relationships, and the ability to store metadata about every single conceivable detail?
The browser you are currently using is not supported by our software. In order to enjoy all of the advanced features our website offers, we suggest that you use our preferred browser. ...with a little Firefox banner. Which I am using. 1.5, as a matter of fact. I don't even screw around with user agent strings, they're the default.
My own website is non-IE only though, should anyone want to check it out. I really need to make it IE-compatible, but I wouldn't even know where to start. Substitute VML for SVG? Obscene CSS hacks? Write a second library of javascript just for IE?
Phillip Morris had the largest Macintosh TR network until around 95ish. They dumped token ring even before they ended up dumping macs.
Banks, I still used to see OS/2 based ATMs and stuff until '99. You could go in, and see it on the backs of desktop machines in the lobby too, until right around then. I've not seen anything but windows and ethernet since, though.
One of my sparcstations has token ring. A few of the macs have it. And I have one in my main linux server too... but ifconfig up'ing it is asking for the thing to crash.
Bwahaha. Didn't think I articulated it poorly. Why is there more than one star in the universe, or more than one electron? Because, were there one, there's just as likely another, many more so. If we could somehow have this conversation without the baggage of 3000 years of mythological bullshit, and we suddenly stumbled upon the idea of "gods"... I'd get there were 100 or 4,589 before I'd guess there was only 1.
Then again, it's more likely we intuitively grasped the correct answer when we start thinking zero.
April Fool's is over. And if you followed my homepage link, you'd see I've been working on the idea on and off for months. Just in case anyone thinks I'm less than serious.
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Opera 9 likes all my fancy javascript/svg/ajax stuff, even though when I started I was only targeting Firefox. Even the weirdest, most complex stuff.
And Konqueror/Safari aren't so bad off either, other than I'm waiting for their SVG support to catch up.
So, with IE gone, there is no need for another monoculture. Stuff written for Firefox doesn't have to be viewed on Firefox, just on something other than IE. But even if it does, I'd rather have any other monoculture than IE. It's simply horrid.
_If that was speculation, then you're missing a couple of conditions. Try throwing in some more "ifs" and "maybes" next time, instead of stating your fantasies as facts:_
My apologies. I didn't realize that there wasn't an implicit speculative nature going on here... you sound like a native english speaker, what's your excuse?
You're damn skippy I would. After all, you're the guy who wrote:
Ah, you're an idiot then. Sorry, I didn't realize you didn't understand speculation.
Would you expect -me- to? I don't even know if what we're talking about happened in the US. Let alone to whom.
I wouldn't expect that the guy this happened to has much either, but it's hardly reasonable to adamantly state that there can't be any at all, which is what you seem to be doing.
Civil, not criminal. Burden of evidence is quite a bit lighter. Lighter still, considering that in most such cases of discrimination it boils down to a few witnesses... it's not like they crack out the mass spectrometer and MRI scans of the defendants or something.
As for witnesses, what are the chances that in the past couple years since that manager was working there, that someone didn't overhear a racially slanted joke, or that a black kid didn't get pissed at the manager for how he was scheduled some week? Huh? It could be interesting. I'm not suggesting fabricating evidence and testimony, but it's the rare environment indeed where there is nothing at all that might look like such, viewed from a certain perspective.
Selling it to a judge or a jury? Not so likely, but it might not be dismissed out of hand. And when that's the case, sometimes companies settle rather than fight...
True.
Except that I suspect the computer will not be broken forever. Unless it is, then in this case, it's quite clear that they're not doing that, now are they?
All very debatable. Courts love this sort of thing. The asshole manager certainly didn't do anything that would make it obvious that my interpretation was wrong though, now did he?
If the applicant is a minority, I think a pretty good case could be made that the manager pushed a secret button to make it malfunction.
You know, he's the kind of guy that is a bit tech-savvy, maybe even does a little programming at home. Maybe he accidentally discovered he could induce the bug that prevents it from working, with a certain procedure.
This is aggravated by the fact that, when asked to fix the flaw that makes it impossible to take applications, he refused. Obviously, tomorrow some white guy would have no problem with the machine. That's the real kicker, wouldn't someone who was experiencing a software bug try to make good on it, either by having the computer fixed or by handing out paper applications?
No, I don't think you can. As soon as it goes to court, most judges --*really*-- frown these sorts of shenanigans. Especially if you're handing out the english applications to the white folks, and the linear B applications to the coloreds, so to speak.
Complying with the letter of the law isn't enough, especially if it's obvious even to fools that you aren't complying with the spirit of it.
Actually, the application isn't available. It's the equivalent of handing someone a paper application written in hieroglyphics, with a nice big warning up at the top written in english saying "any application not filled out completely and correctly will be tossed".
It's an unreasonable and insurmountable burden to completing the application, even if it is theoretically possible to comply.
Shame that. Why the hell can't I ever find a place like this then?
Doesn't matter though, I'm a skill-less loser, you wouldn't hire me anyway.
I did, however, just get scaling to work on my javascript/SVG 3d rendering page... (Firefox/moz/opera9 only). Sorry, had to brag, it's been frustrating me for days.
Except these sorts of hiring procedures are performed by sociopathic managerial types, more often than not. Anyone that could work well with them, has severe personality issues anyway... they want to make sure that you are broken, and that you are broken in a way that makes you easy to use.
Not so much fun, that.
I have an email account set up just for this, it's a link on the homepage.
Hi.
Whatever, you poser. Did you design a relational database schema with over 50 tables, 70 relationships, and the ability to store metadata about every single conceivable detail?
I thought so.
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Haha. This is nice. It tells me...
...with a little Firefox banner. Which I am using. 1.5, as a matter of fact. I don't even screw around with user agent strings, they're the default.
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My own website is non-IE only though, should anyone want to check it out. I really need to make it IE-compatible, but I wouldn't even know where to start. Substitute VML for SVG? Obscene CSS hacks? Write a second library of javascript just for IE?
Obviously, it's an operating system component. Duh.
Phillip Morris had the largest Macintosh TR network until around 95ish. They dumped token ring even before they ended up dumping macs.
Banks, I still used to see OS/2 based ATMs and stuff until '99. You could go in, and see it on the backs of desktop machines in the lobby too, until right around then. I've not seen anything but windows and ethernet since, though.
One of my sparcstations has token ring. A few of the macs have it. And I have one in my main linux server too... but ifconfig up'ing it is asking for the thing to crash.
Working on it... I expect them to buy me out any day now.
Actually, there are a few out there besides my own. I googled for "porn database" and my stuff is only ranked like #20 and higher...
Of course the others are just half-assed tagging schemes.
I'm on it.
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Bwahaha. Didn't think I articulated it poorly. Why is there more than one star in the universe, or more than one electron? Because, were there one, there's just as likely another, many more so. If we could somehow have this conversation without the baggage of 3000 years of mythological bullshit, and we suddenly stumbled upon the idea of "gods"... I'd get there were 100 or 4,589 before I'd guess there was only 1.
Then again, it's more likely we intuitively grasped the correct answer when we start thinking zero.
You obviously didn't check much into it. That's just a really alpha-ish applet to let people tag images. I would have thought that obvious.
April Fool's is over. And if you followed my homepage link, you'd see I've been working on the idea on and off for months. Just in case anyone thinks I'm less than serious.