There would have to be an equivalent of Rosetta involved - and one of the main reasons Rosetta was successful during the Power-Intel shift was because Power was lagging so badly behind the Intels, so there were few performance related issues cropping up. Apple would have to also create the same disparity between their Intel offerings and any new ARM offerings and I don't think they can, just yet.
The autopilot systems in aviation are operated by heavily trained and experienced pilots who operate under very strict rules - I don't think a single driver here on Slashdot would agree to driving anywhere under "sterile cockpit" rules, where commercial pilots are forbidden from engaging in non-essential conversation and interactions during critical phases of the flight.
The difference between pilots (in both commercial and general aviation areas) using an autopilot system and a general motor-vehicle driver using a similar system is massive - the latter simply isnt trained for it, and also has been led to believe it can do wondrous things by todays TV shows.
The issue is the duration in which the Tesla system gives warnings - the industry standard recommended timespan between inattentive-driver prompts is 15 seconds, while in this case, there were no inattentive-driver prompts from Autopilot for the two minutes leading up to the accident.
This is the issue when you call something "Autopilot" and give it to a consumer base that is used to being spoonfed fictitious understandings of such systems from superficial TV shows - they are led to believe it does something that it most certainly does not.
Yes, Tesla put all sorts of warnings in their manuals about this, but theres absolutely no requirement to read those manuals before jumping into the car, hitting the highway and engaging the system. Thats where the disconnect from reality and theory occurs - in theory, everyone reads the manual and understands the intimate details of the vehicle before setting off, while in practice people jump into new cars all the time and try things out.
Who here has been the person sat in their rental car for 30 minutes reading the manual before driving off for the first time? I bet the number of people who response affirmatively to that question is.... low.
The market is akin to the free public pool - the swimmers both the consumers and the vendors.
When a vendor takes a shit in the deep end and the pool has to be cleaned, its the vendor who is going to be paying the fine for doing so, and its the public pool owners who are going to be receiving the money.
The other vendors are free to pursue their own actions against the naughty vendor.
Its all very abstract - at the end of the day, its the EU and its member countries which create and manage the environment in which the EU market operates, so its the EU which gets the money, and its the EU which gets to decide how that money is used.
Little known fact - this whole thing was started as a way to force locum doctors back into NHS employment (at significantly reduced wages and significantly worse working conditions), and subsequently HMRC applied it everywhere because "why not".
Its another aspect of the Conservative war on doctors which has had unintended consequences everywhere else.
There may have been shady tactics involved, but at the time IE was also a better browser - I remember the days when you used to have to test against specific *minor* versions of Netscape Navigator because they had massive rendering differences. Netscape 4 was also a lot slower than IE4, mainly because it was translating all CSS stuff to its own JSSS system internally (which meant you could have both CSS and JavaScript enabled or neither enabled, but not one or the other...)
People look back at the time with rose tinted spectacles - NN peaked during its early versions but was a lumbering turd from version 4 onward. Theres a reason the Mozilla development team dumped the Netscape Navigator codebase.
Yup, Detroit seems to have done well with water...
And wasn't there a massive issue with brownouts in California a few years back?
And I hear you have ridiculous "ownership" laws in the US on water that has fallen from the sky in many locations, so you can't capture it for your own use?
Sounds like you are doing swell with your government stuff there...
What makes you think it would be any better under government initiatives?
Everywhere I have been in the world, the road networks have been oversubscribed and under maintained - in the US you have bridges collapsing because of poor maintenance and standards. In most cities, rush hour means gridlock. Pot holes and third parties digging up roads left, right and centre is a common issue.
I don't see how putting the government in charge would really solve this.
The best idea is what New Zealand currently do - we have all heard about the Australian "National Broadband Network" here on Slashdot, its been in quite a few stories. A government backed program to modernise the countries broadband network, which was gradually scaled back from "fibre to the premises" to "fibre to somewhere close and then copper from then on" in quite a few locations etc etc etc. And Australia still has significant caps and very expensive broadband plans.
Here in New Zealand, just a short hop across the sea, the fibre network is owned by one of two or three independent companies. Most locations are hooked up, and you buy your service from any of the standard providers, who get the independent fibre company to hook you up.
Which means I can get gigabit fibre (400Mbit up) for a grand total of NZ$99 a month - or USD$70. With no caps.
Aeronautical autopilots are not safe, precisely because they have significant nuances and problems which have resulted in numerous crashes through misuse and over reliance. You do not turn on an aircrafts autopilot and then sit back and relax for the rest of the flight.
Which is pretty apt considering what we are discussing and what is being claimed on all sides...
Its not as if Intel is the only one playing this game - we had been hearing about Zen from AMD more than a year before it was released, with significant PR done on it with the resulting drum beating from the usual corners, including many users here on Slashdot.
Heres a Slashdot article from August 2016, nearly a year before the release of the first Zen architecture chips, where AMD are definitely beating their own drum:
Whether or not the user made the info public, does this ruling affect how a website or service can regulate third parties and the extra load they create?
Grabbing one users public info is a world of difference to grabbing a million users public info - LinkedIn may have a legitimate argument about undue additional load on their service as a result of scraping public info from them.
This is the sort of thing I am talking about - its a Google Maps Street View of the area in question. Its the middle of the day, so there are some spaces, but come about 6pm and these roads are end to end with parked cars. Take a look around the rest of the city, most of it is like this.
I don't get why people make these kind of posts - its not as if a government being exempt from a lot of domestic laws is a new thing, so why wouldn't they be able to investigate your breach of this law? Its like saying that the police cannot legally detain you, because thats illegal for you to do to someone else.
This is another thing they can charge you with when they arrest you, thats it.
You don't seem to understand the setup here in the UK, which is what we are talking about.
"Block heaters" haven't ever been a thing here.
Parking meters are one per block of parking, you go find the nearest one (could be on the other side of the street) and buy a physical ticket which you stick to the inside of the windscreen.
Most residential parking however is on street, and controlled by permits you display. There are no allocated spaces, you park by the side of the road where you can (and where there are no restrictions) - parking spaces are rarely marked, so you literally fit the car in as best as you can.
This means that on our street, for 100 houses (each terraced house is about 1.5 car lengths wide, not counting any space between the cars), you often can't park outside your house, as it's a free for all. Many houses have two cars, which means you often can't even park on your street.
Parking in this example is parking in the direction of traffic - you get a row of parked cars down each side of the road, and a single row of traffic between them. It's that tight.
Once you start understanding how different it is here, you start understanding the issues present. Electric charging in these circumstances means a *lot* has to change, but no one can suggest reasonable changes which work.
For my city alone, you are probably talking about the installation of 100,000 on street chargers, which is a *massive* undertaking - who is going to do that? The current wave of electric is based on home charging and a few points in well located spots, and that simply doesn't work here.
The street lamps that are 100ft apart and get turned off at night? The street lamps that are set back from the road so any charging cable would have to cross the pavement as well? The street lamps that are outnumbered on my street my about 20:1?
Getting access to a mains supply to hook a charging point up isn't the issue if you are the council or the electricity company, the lines are right there. The issue is that for a street like mine, you would need a charging point every 7ft on each side of the road, and those charging points would need to handle multiple users accounts.
I don't know about the rest of Europe, but the whole "short commutes only" thing is a bit of a myth here in the UK - I know plenty of people who commute 50 miles a day by car, each way.
"Gas" is currently at an average of $5.50 in the UK, and has been as high as $8 recently - and it hasn't forced a significant number of people onto electric cars.
The issue for a large proportion of the world isn't the price of petrol, its the difficulty with which charging an electric vehicle presents. In my "home" city of Norwich, most people live in terraced housing, have no off street parking, and indeed have no *designated* parking. Getting parked on the same street as your house is often a difficulty in itself.
And Norwich is pretty representative of most of Europe, where we don't have a grid system and most people don't have driveways or wide roads etc etc.
No one seems to ever suggest a reasonable solution to this issue.
These days, commercial airline pilots have to conduct a minimum number of *manual* landings a year to keep certification - most commercial airline flying is done under one form of automation or another.
You have systems that automatically line you up on the runway, take off, deal with engine out scenarios on take off, fly your entire route from A to B with automated routing updates from ATC on the way, automatically enter the holding pattern at the other end, automatically land, and automatically brake to be able to vacate the runway at a pre-chosen taxiway intersection.
If you have flown at all in the past 25 years, the exceptions would be the manually piloted flights, not the automated flights...
The Asiana Airlines flight that crashed at San Francisco in 2013 happened because the Precision ILS system was out of action (notice had already been issued via a NOTAM well before this flight) and the pilots flying the Boeing 777 had become far too dependent on the automated systems, they simply did not have the current experience to actually land the aircraft manually.
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There would have to be an equivalent of Rosetta involved - and one of the main reasons Rosetta was successful during the Power-Intel shift was because Power was lagging so badly behind the Intels, so there were few performance related issues cropping up. Apple would have to also create the same disparity between their Intel offerings and any new ARM offerings and I don't think they can, just yet.
... because Tesla chose to use a name which is synonymous with a specific thing already in existence, namely aviation autopilots.
The autopilot systems in aviation are operated by heavily trained and experienced pilots who operate under very strict rules - I don't think a single driver here on Slashdot would agree to driving anywhere under "sterile cockpit" rules, where commercial pilots are forbidden from engaging in non-essential conversation and interactions during critical phases of the flight.
The difference between pilots (in both commercial and general aviation areas) using an autopilot system and a general motor-vehicle driver using a similar system is massive - the latter simply isnt trained for it, and also has been led to believe it can do wondrous things by todays TV shows.
The issue is the duration in which the Tesla system gives warnings - the industry standard recommended timespan between inattentive-driver prompts is 15 seconds, while in this case, there were no inattentive-driver prompts from Autopilot for the two minutes leading up to the accident.
This is the issue when you call something "Autopilot" and give it to a consumer base that is used to being spoonfed fictitious understandings of such systems from superficial TV shows - they are led to believe it does something that it most certainly does not.
Yes, Tesla put all sorts of warnings in their manuals about this, but theres absolutely no requirement to read those manuals before jumping into the car, hitting the highway and engaging the system. Thats where the disconnect from reality and theory occurs - in theory, everyone reads the manual and understands the intimate details of the vehicle before setting off, while in practice people jump into new cars all the time and try things out.
Who here has been the person sat in their rental car for 30 minutes reading the manual before driving off for the first time? I bet the number of people who response affirmatively to that question is .... low.
Thats the issue Tesla need to solve.
The market is akin to the free public pool - the swimmers both the consumers and the vendors.
When a vendor takes a shit in the deep end and the pool has to be cleaned, its the vendor who is going to be paying the fine for doing so, and its the public pool owners who are going to be receiving the money.
The other vendors are free to pursue their own actions against the naughty vendor.
Its all very abstract - at the end of the day, its the EU and its member countries which create and manage the environment in which the EU market operates, so its the EU which gets the money, and its the EU which gets to decide how that money is used.
It was the EUs market which was damaged by the actions of the company, why should anyone else get the money?
Where were their backups? They *did* keep backups, right? Or did they just trust a third party to not have an incident such as this?
Little known fact - this whole thing was started as a way to force locum doctors back into NHS employment (at significantly reduced wages and significantly worse working conditions), and subsequently HMRC applied it everywhere because "why not".
Its another aspect of the Conservative war on doctors which has had unintended consequences everywhere else.
There may have been shady tactics involved, but at the time IE was also a better browser - I remember the days when you used to have to test against specific *minor* versions of Netscape Navigator because they had massive rendering differences. Netscape 4 was also a lot slower than IE4, mainly because it was translating all CSS stuff to its own JSSS system internally (which meant you could have both CSS and JavaScript enabled or neither enabled, but not one or the other...)
People look back at the time with rose tinted spectacles - NN peaked during its early versions but was a lumbering turd from version 4 onward. Theres a reason the Mozilla development team dumped the Netscape Navigator codebase.
It's MorningLightMountain. We are utterly screwed.
Yup, Detroit seems to have done well with water...
And wasn't there a massive issue with brownouts in California a few years back?
And I hear you have ridiculous "ownership" laws in the US on water that has fallen from the sky in many locations, so you can't capture it for your own use?
Sounds like you are doing swell with your government stuff there...
What makes you think it would be any better under government initiatives?
Everywhere I have been in the world, the road networks have been oversubscribed and under maintained - in the US you have bridges collapsing because of poor maintenance and standards. In most cities, rush hour means gridlock. Pot holes and third parties digging up roads left, right and centre is a common issue.
I don't see how putting the government in charge would really solve this.
The best idea is what New Zealand currently do - we have all heard about the Australian "National Broadband Network" here on Slashdot, its been in quite a few stories. A government backed program to modernise the countries broadband network, which was gradually scaled back from "fibre to the premises" to "fibre to somewhere close and then copper from then on" in quite a few locations etc etc etc. And Australia still has significant caps and very expensive broadband plans.
Here in New Zealand, just a short hop across the sea, the fibre network is owned by one of two or three independent companies. Most locations are hooked up, and you buy your service from any of the standard providers, who get the independent fibre company to hook you up.
Which means I can get gigabit fibre (400Mbit up) for a grand total of NZ$99 a month - or USD$70. With no caps.
Aeronautical autopilots are not safe, precisely because they have significant nuances and problems which have resulted in numerous crashes through misuse and over reliance. You do not turn on an aircrafts autopilot and then sit back and relax for the rest of the flight.
Which is pretty apt considering what we are discussing and what is being claimed on all sides...
You're a few hundred years too late for discussion about the semantics in use here - go pet a puppy instead, it will be more productive.
Its not as if Intel is the only one playing this game - we had been hearing about Zen from AMD more than a year before it was released, with significant PR done on it with the resulting drum beating from the usual corners, including many users here on Slashdot.
Heres a Slashdot article from August 2016, nearly a year before the release of the first Zen architecture chips, where AMD are definitely beating their own drum:
AMD Says Upcoming Zen CPU Will Outperform Intel Broadwell-E
A dog only shits on my rug, not my entire life.
Whether or not the user made the info public, does this ruling affect how a website or service can regulate third parties and the extra load they create?
Grabbing one users public info is a world of difference to grabbing a million users public info - LinkedIn may have a legitimate argument about undue additional load on their service as a result of scraping public info from them.
This is the sort of thing I am talking about - its a Google Maps Street View of the area in question. Its the middle of the day, so there are some spaces, but come about 6pm and these roads are end to end with parked cars. Take a look around the rest of the city, most of it is like this.
I don't get why people make these kind of posts - its not as if a government being exempt from a lot of domestic laws is a new thing, so why wouldn't they be able to investigate your breach of this law? Its like saying that the police cannot legally detain you, because thats illegal for you to do to someone else.
This is another thing they can charge you with when they arrest you, thats it.
You don't seem to understand the setup here in the UK, which is what we are talking about.
"Block heaters" haven't ever been a thing here.
Parking meters are one per block of parking, you go find the nearest one (could be on the other side of the street) and buy a physical ticket which you stick to the inside of the windscreen.
Most residential parking however is on street, and controlled by permits you display. There are no allocated spaces, you park by the side of the road where you can (and where there are no restrictions) - parking spaces are rarely marked, so you literally fit the car in as best as you can.
This means that on our street, for 100 houses (each terraced house is about 1.5 car lengths wide, not counting any space between the cars), you often can't park outside your house, as it's a free for all. Many houses have two cars, which means you often can't even park on your street.
Parking in this example is parking in the direction of traffic - you get a row of parked cars down each side of the road, and a single row of traffic between them. It's that tight.
Once you start understanding how different it is here, you start understanding the issues present. Electric charging in these circumstances means a *lot* has to change, but no one can suggest reasonable changes which work.
For my city alone, you are probably talking about the installation of 100,000 on street chargers, which is a *massive* undertaking - who is going to do that? The current wave of electric is based on home charging and a few points in well located spots, and that simply doesn't work here.
Did you not read my reply to the other poster who suggested a similar thing?
The street lamps that are 100ft apart and get turned off at night? The street lamps that are set back from the road so any charging cable would have to cross the pavement as well? The street lamps that are outnumbered on my street my about 20:1?
Getting access to a mains supply to hook a charging point up isn't the issue if you are the council or the electricity company, the lines are right there. The issue is that for a street like mine, you would need a charging point every 7ft on each side of the road, and those charging points would need to handle multiple users accounts.
I don't know about the rest of Europe, but the whole "short commutes only" thing is a bit of a myth here in the UK - I know plenty of people who commute 50 miles a day by car, each way.
"Gas" is currently at an average of $5.50 in the UK, and has been as high as $8 recently - and it hasn't forced a significant number of people onto electric cars.
The issue for a large proportion of the world isn't the price of petrol, its the difficulty with which charging an electric vehicle presents. In my "home" city of Norwich, most people live in terraced housing, have no off street parking, and indeed have no *designated* parking. Getting parked on the same street as your house is often a difficulty in itself.
And Norwich is pretty representative of most of Europe, where we don't have a grid system and most people don't have driveways or wide roads etc etc.
No one seems to ever suggest a reasonable solution to this issue.
These days, commercial airline pilots have to conduct a minimum number of *manual* landings a year to keep certification - most commercial airline flying is done under one form of automation or another.
You have systems that automatically line you up on the runway, take off, deal with engine out scenarios on take off, fly your entire route from A to B with automated routing updates from ATC on the way, automatically enter the holding pattern at the other end, automatically land, and automatically brake to be able to vacate the runway at a pre-chosen taxiway intersection.
If you have flown at all in the past 25 years, the exceptions would be the manually piloted flights, not the automated flights...
The Asiana Airlines flight that crashed at San Francisco in 2013 happened because the Precision ILS system was out of action (notice had already been issued via a NOTAM well before this flight) and the pilots flying the Boeing 777 had become far too dependent on the automated systems, they simply did not have the current experience to actually land the aircraft manually.