Apple's A11 Bionic Chip In iPhone 8 and iPhone X Smokes Android Handsets In Early Benchmarks (hothardware.com)

eh geek bench bs by serviscope_minor · 2017-09-14 10:46 · Score: 4, Interesting

It's a geek bench result.
That means it's crap. They're closed source and completely unverified and always give insanely high scores to iOS, even compared to maxed out server cpus.

Non news.

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Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:55 · Score: 1

Anandtech did some analysis a while back and determined that geekbench 3 scores were crap, but that geekbench 4 scores lined up very accurately with what they measured.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:15 · Score: 0

nahhhhh. it's totally legit:
Aug 22, 2017 Lenovo ZUK Z2 Qualcomm Qualcomm 1766 MHz (4 cores) Android 64-bit 33984 86862
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Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:58 · Score: 0

So?
If it's some highly parallel benchmark then obviously more cores will look better.
Will it equate to more performance in real life? I doubt it. Not many phones are used for raytracing or compressing video.
Actually, compressing video is a rather core task of any smartphone.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:59 · Score: 0

Java is such a performance hog, being an interpreted language, that Android needs beefier CPUs to compensate. Objective C is compiled. Big difference in how the code is executed.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:02 · Score: 0

Yeah, they're crap because it's closed source so that means it's harder for Samsung to cheat at the benchmark by detecting when it's running and tune itself to get an unrealistic score!
How dare they!
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:07 · Score: 1

Oh how that worm has turned. 5 years ago, fandroids couldn't shut up about core count and speed. Now that there isn't an ARM CPU that can keep up with Apple (and that's pretty said considering they are all designed and fabbed by actual semiconductor companies with decades of experience) it's amazing where core count doesn't matter any more. And yes, there's a whole shitload of phones used to compress video - you may have seen that there are millions of videos on YouTube these days that were "filmed" with... phones!
Re:eh geek bench bs by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:30 · Score: 3, Informative

Android doesn't run it's apps on a java interpreter.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:38 · Score: 0

Apple hired away a lot of the top talent from those companies.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:41 · Score: 1

Yes, although usually done with dedicated hardware. Not that a high end modern smartphone CPU couldn't do it in software, but it would consume quite a bit more battery (although the video would probably be compressed in higher quality)
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:21 · Score: 0

That's the point - despite this being a highly parallel benchmark, Apple's old 2 cores have looked extremely good. Their 2 core CPUs of old have often beaten out 4/4 bigLITTLE android designs. Now Apple's 2/4 bigLITTLE design is completely destroying the competition.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:36 · Score: 0

Not on per dollar, haha ripoff
Re:eh geek bench bs by MrL0G1C · 2017-09-14 15:55 · Score: 1, Insightful

Benchmarks are all useless so far as I'm concerned, they gave note slow note 2 a good score and my fast cubot a lower score.
What matters is how snappy the apps I use are, I don't care about stupid synthetic benchmarks on phones. How quick does gps get a lock is a good metric, how fast does the phone start or reboot is another good metric. How quick can a photo be taken - another good metric that actually matters for a phone.
Just measuring the CPU speed is pointless.
And test internet reliability, they get this wrong too - time to 100% page load is irrelevant when 99.9% of the page loads quick and the other 0.1% won't even be visible because it's just some tracking crap anyhow.

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Re:eh geek bench bs by LiENUS · 2017-09-14 16:07 · Score: 2

Android doesn't run it's apps on a java interpreter.
Hell for that matter apple compiles its apps on llvm, guess what android compiles its apps on nowadays... llvm
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 16:26 · Score: 0

No one cares about core count and speed because all phones are fast enough now.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:41 · Score: 0

Apple's mobile CPUs are ARM CPUs and they are made by the same fabs with decades of experience as the CPUs in non-hipster phones.
Re:eh geek bench bs by andreas.hummelbrunne · 2017-09-14 19:49 · Score: 1

Oh how that worm has turned. 5 years ago, fandroids couldn't shut up about core count and speed.
Well, of course. Back then, phones were severly limited by their CPU. This isn't the case anymore, so nobody cares.
Re: eh geek bench bs by TheRaven64 · 2017-09-14 20:56 · Score: 2

They're made in the same fabs, but they're not the same cores. Apple designs their own cores (they're an ARM architecture licensee, which means that they're allowed to build chips however they want as long as they pass ARM's architecture conformance tests). Their CPU design team was originally bought from PA-Semi, who designed low-power, high-performance PowerPC chips, and has been growing steadily for the last decade. Apple doesn't license these cores to anyone else.

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Re:eh geek bench bs by TheRaven64 · 2017-09-14 21:01 · Score: 3, Informative

Hell for that matter apple compiles its apps on llvm, guess what android compiles its apps on nowadays... llvm
Nope. The initial versions of ART used LLVM, but the Google folk couldn't get the resource requirements down enough to run on the phone (no idea why they don't do the compilation on the app store and cache the results, rather than warming the planet), so they moved to a completely different infrastructure. Modern ART has two compilers (that they're trying really hard to unify). There's a JIT that runs when you first start an app. This collects profiling information, but doesn't do much optimisation initially. It will then generate optimised code for some of the hot paths. The profiling information is recorded and overnight (or at any period when the phone is plugged in but not used) the AOT compiler starts in the background and will generate optimised binaries. Unfortunately, the AOT compiler doesn't allow on-stack replacement and so the JIT can occasionally give better code for hot loops (it can perform speculative optimisations that are correct 99.9% of the time and then deoptimise in the case where they're incorrect, whereas the AOT compiler has to do the slower optimisation that's correct 100% of the time).
I think there's also an interpreter for fast start, but I lose track (the ART team keeps changing their mind about whether an interpreter is a good idea).

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Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 21:09 · Score: 0

Not on per dollar, haha ripoff
LOL Desperation much? How much is the Galaxy 8? You know, the one the iPhone X humiliated in the benchmark? More than 2x? That one?
Re:eh geek bench bs by guacamole · 2017-09-14 23:59 · Score: 0

Now that there isn't an ARM CPU that can keep up with Apple
Sounds like you yourself have no even minor idea what you're talking about. Apple's CPU's belong to the ARM architectures just like most of the chips used in Android devices.
Re:eh geek bench bs by mjwx · 2017-09-15 00:03 · Score: 1

Anandtech did some analysis a while back and determined that geekbench 3 scores were crap, but that geekbench 4 scores lined up very accurately with what they measured.
And the current ones? I'll wait until I see some independent tests. It's well known that Apple stipulates a lot of provisions when giving out devices for review, doubly so for pre-release. I would never expect to see unfavourable results pre-release.

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Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 00:41 · Score: 0

LOL the one that apple faithful will be beta testing FAIL ID.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 00:44 · Score: 0

Will it equate to more performance in real life? I doubt it.
How about 4K HDR video at 60fps?
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 00:53 · Score: 1

Back then, phones were severly limited by their CPU. This isn't the case anymore, so nobody cares.
When the power is there uses will be found. Like good AR, and like 4K HDR video at 60 fps. That's something that until now was found only in high end professional gear, and certainly not in a phone.
Saying phones are "fast enough" is like sticking your head in the sand.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Austerity+Empowers · 2017-09-15 01:11 · Score: 3, Informative

Apple's CPU's belong to the ARM
Do you understand the difference between architecture and implementation? Two people can implement the same architecture and get very different performance.
Intel (used to) love flogging AMD for having the same architecture but significantly worse performance and horrible power. It was a little unfair in that Intel has a state of the art fab that is often the very best in the business, while AMD had to use legacy technology from a less top tier fab on an older process node, but that wasn't the entire source of the discrepancy. In this case, Apple's rivals absolutely do have access to the same top tier processes, originally Apple had its main rival fab its chips! The difference was purely implementation of the architecture.
The best example I can give you is that the architecture defines say, a 32-bit multiply instruction. It defines what the result will be for any given combination of multiplier/multiplicand, including edge cases, and overflow cases, etc. It says nothing about how you implement that instruction, only that you must be able to handle it, and it must produce a given result. You *could* implement it using an adder and a for loop like we learned in grade school. Even running at 1GHz on the very best process, you will have made the slowest multiplier in the industry, and this very much would show on any given benchmark that used multiplies in its tests (all of them).
Figuring out clever ways of implementing that instruction that are fast, low power and consume low silicon geometry is what logic designers/computer engineers spend their days on. It makes a huge difference, and what you should read here is that Apple has beaten its competitors pretty thoroughly on implementation of ARM, and that implementation is entirely owned by Apple and requires significant investment from its competitors to keep up with.
The message to customers is the A11 chip is the best out there, the message that investors won't want to hear is that in-house design is beating the shitty ODM model to small bits. Google and Microsoft are both looking at Apple and thinking they need to design their own chips too, that Samsung, Huawei (Chinese for "state sponsored spies and world-class fuckups") etc. are not invested in their products.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:55 · Score: 0

All manufacturers cheat on benchmarks (Remember apple G5).
They all do, CPU manufacturers, GPU manufacturers, phone manufacturers, and system builders. Shoot its not unlike how EVERY diesel car company cheats on tests. The difference there is that impacted the environment.
Come on back when you have an argument where your hands are clean.
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 04:21 · Score: 1

It's a geek bench result.
That means it's crap. They're closed source and completely unverified and always give insanely high scores to iOS, even compared to maxed out server cpus.
Non news.
How do those sour grapes taste?
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 04:24 · Score: 1

So?
If it's some highly parallel benchmark then obviously more cores will look better.
Will it equate to more performance in real life? I doubt it. Not many phones are used for raytracing or compressing video.
Since iOS has GCD (Grand Central Dispatch), it does not depend as much on Apps being designed for heavy parallelism to reap at least some of the potential rewards of multicore CPUs.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Carewolf · 2017-09-15 04:25 · Score: 1

And it runs different workloads on different platforms. The numbers are Not comparable between platforms. The iPhonex otherwise also outperforms a Mac Pro.
Re: eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 04:27 · Score: 1

Apple's mobile CPUs are ARM CPUs and they are made by the same fabs with decades of experience as the CPUs in non-hipster phones.
I'd suggest you stop calling iPhones "hipster phones" since they clean the "geeky phones" clocks every-single-year, year-after-year.
And the performance-gap is widening, not narrowing...
Re: eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 04:30 · Score: 1

They're made in the same fabs, but they're not the same cores. Apple designs their own cores (they're an ARM architecture licensee, which means that they're allowed to build chips however they want as long as they pass ARM's architecture conformance tests). Their CPU design team was originally bought from PA-Semi, who designed low-power, high-performance PowerPC chips, and has been growing steadily for the last decade. Apple doesn't license these cores to anyone else.
Not to mention that Apple has more ARM experience than pretty much anyone else, and in fact, was instrumental in bringing the ARM to the world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fin...
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 04:32 · Score: 1

Oh how that worm has turned. 5 years ago, fandroids couldn't shut up about core count and speed.
Well, of course. Back then, phones were severly limited by their CPU. This isn't the case anymore, so nobody cares.
And now, they claim that benchmarks don't matter.
And they say Apple fans are delusional...
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 04:56 · Score: 4, Insightful

Back then, phones were severly limited by their CPU. This isn't the case anymore, so nobody cares.
When the power is there uses will be found. Like good AR, and like 4K HDR video at 60 fps. That's something that until now was found only in high end professional gear, and certainly not in a phone.
Saying phones are "fast enough" is like sticking your head in the sand.
I wholeheartedly agree!
And anyone who watched the Keynote the other day, and saw what Apple is capable of doing with ARKit and the facial-mapping (Amimoji Poop notwithstanding!), has just GOT to stop and think, as I did, "In REAL-TIME? On a PHONE?!?"
Start watching at time-index 1:32:00
https://www.apple.com/apple-ev...
Even the stupid Animoji stuff is pretty cool, though, from a technical standpoint.
Watch the Cat Animoji accurately track and display Craig's "Angry Face", squinching up it's cheeks and eyes just like he was doing, and, the Unicorn Animoji, accurately tracking and displaying the "lip-flapping" thing that horses do, again in real-time.
Yes, as Craig rhetorically asked when showing-off the Animojies and the "Face Mask" stuff, "So, whaddya do with the world's most sophisticated face-tracking system?", these are admittedly silly applications of some pretty cool technology; but the point is, they also clearly show just how good that technology is.
And. On a PHONE... It's just plain amazing.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 05:00 · Score: 0

Awww bitchboy's gonna bitch
faggot
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:44 · Score: 1

Hell for that matter apple compiles its apps on llvm, guess what android compiles its apps on nowadays... llvm
Nope. The initial versions of ART used LLVM, but the Google folk couldn't get the resource requirements down enough to run on the phone (no idea why they don't do the compilation on the app store and cache the results, rather than warming the planet), so they moved to a completely different infrastructure. Modern ART has two compilers (that they're trying really hard to unify). There's a JIT that runs when you first start an app. This collects profiling information, but doesn't do much optimisation initially. It will then generate optimised code for some of the hot paths. The profiling information is recorded and overnight (or at any period when the phone is plugged in but not used) the AOT compiler starts in the background and will generate optimised binaries. Unfortunately, the AOT compiler doesn't allow on-stack replacement and so the JIT can occasionally give better code for hot loops (it can perform speculative optimisations that are correct 99.9% of the time and then deoptimise in the case where they're incorrect, whereas the AOT compiler has to do the slower optimisation that's correct 100% of the time).
I think there's also an interpreter for fast start, but I lose track (the ART team keeps changing their mind about whether an interpreter is a good idea).
Wow!
As I said above, Android is a Dumpster Fire. That just proves it!
Time to throw it out and start afresh...
But isn't that what Google was doing about a year ago? Why is there still an Android, anyway?
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:14 · Score: 0

Anyone who has worked with AR and ARkit was probably not amazed to the same extent as you were about AR on a phone in real time. It's nice to see things improving a little though.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:26 · Score: 0

You know why it's been limited to professional gear?
Nobody gives a shit. Most people can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a massive television or even 720p and badly compressed 720p.
Also, with a 1\2.3" sensor, 4K means 4K worth of grainy cpu smoothed feature checkbox that nobody actually cares about.
Funny, a few years ago, ifans were saying it's not all specs, now... Lol
Also, side note: the galaxy s8\+ still has a few hours battery on the equivalent 8, so sure, have a fast brick :p
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:29 · Score: 0

Yup, the S8 and Note8 containd more hardware and software features that put the cost\benefit in favor of Samsung.
Better contactless pay, longer battery life, curved screen, a non shitty charger in the box, etc etc.
Re:eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 07:00 · Score: 0

Cuz if not people would all be using Windows Phones. Anything but apple.
Re:eh geek bench bs by LordKronos · 2017-09-15 08:48 · Score: 0

Putting aside how lame those uses are (seriously, animated poop emoji??? Life changing!!!)...the performance aspect of that isn't really all that impressive. The reason it's able to do that is not because of some insane performance (I actually suspect the performance demands are pretty minor), but because of the fact that they added infrared tracking. It's pretty much what goes on in a Kinect. Using an infrared grid, it's easily able to build a depth map, which in turn is very easy to turn into a 3d model. From there it's just all skinning polygons, with a very low demand for basic feature tracking (and recall, feature tracking has been in things like snapchat for quite some time and works on phones that are many years old).
So yes, other phones might not be able to do it because of the lack of the infrared camera part (so kudos to apple on stuffing a simplified version of a 7 year old kinect in there....and the tech wasn't even new when Kinect did it), but please don't think that's any sort of indication of performance. In fact, I eagerly await somebody getting their hands on it and posting the benchmarks showing just how low CPU utilization is while that feature is being used.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 09:37 · Score: 0

And actually I didn't even realize it at the time of my previous post, but didn't the kinect also do the biometric login, too?
Re: eh geek bench bs by TheRaven64 · 2017-09-15 21:04 · Score: 1

Wow, that's a very superficial article. The article states: 'ARM is founded as a spin-off from Acorn and Apple, after the two companies started collaborating on the ARM processor as part of the development of Apple's new Newton computer system.' Apple wanted to use ARM chips, but didn't want to buy them from Acorn, because Acorn's core product was a direct competitor for the Mac. They insisted that ARM be spun off and provided a lot of the initial capital, but it wasn't just a joint venture, the third partner was VLSI Technology, who don't seem to be mentioned at all. Apple had very little input into the designs, they just bought the cores.
After Steve Jobs returned and killed the Newton, most of the people with ARM experience left Apple. Apple didn't start re-hiring people with this kind of expertise until they decided to stop licensing PortalPlayer SoCs for the iPod and move the design in-house. There are a lot of companies that have been ARM architecture licensees for a lot longer than Apple (including Intel) and there are quite a few that have been actively designing ARM chips for longer.

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Re:eh geek bench bs by jon3k · 2017-09-16 01:13 · Score: 1

Exactly what I assume Google Fuchsia will be.
Re: eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-16 10:14 · Score: 1

Wow, that's a very superficial article. The article states: 'ARM is founded as a spin-off from Acorn and Apple, after the two companies started collaborating on the ARM processor as part of the development of Apple's new Newton computer system.' Apple wanted to use ARM chips, but didn't want to buy them from Acorn, because Acorn's core product was a direct competitor for the Mac. They insisted that ARM be spun off and provided a lot of the initial capital, but it wasn't just a joint venture, the third partner was VLSI Technology, who don't seem to be mentioned at all. Apple had very little input into the designs, they just bought the cores.
After Steve Jobs returned and killed the Newton, most of the people with ARM experience left Apple. Apple didn't start re-hiring people with this kind of expertise until they decided to stop licensing PortalPlayer SoCs for the iPod and move the design in-house. There are a lot of companies that have been ARM architecture licensees for a lot longer than Apple (including Intel) and there are quite a few that have been actively designing ARM chips for longer.
Sorry about the article. I was at work, and only had about a minute to "research a cite".
The only thing I was trying to point out was that Apple was involved in the earliest days of ARM history.
There aren't a whole lot of companies with ARM Architecture Licenses, period, and please tell me exactly what most of them, including Intel, have even been doing with theirs?
At this point, at a guess, I's say that pretty-much only Apple, Qualcomm and Samsung are doing much with their Architecture licenses. All the rest, e.g. Atmel, ST, etc. are just doing cut-n-paste "engineering" out of the ARM building-blocks "catalog".
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-16 10:26 · Score: 1

Exactly what I assume Google Fuchsia will be.
If history is any indicator, Not once the OEMs and the Carriers get ahold of it...
Re:eh geek bench bs by jon3k · 2017-09-16 10:38 · Score: 1

Huh? Regardless of what carriers and OEMs do later, it's still "starting over". I think it's pretty safe to say that Google has learned quite a bit.
Re: eh geek bench bs by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-16 22:45 · Score: 0

How do you manage to keep the sand from filling your various orifices while you continue to keep your head in it? Duct tape?
Re:eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-17 02:29 · Score: 1

Huh? Regardless of what carriers and OEMs do later, it's still "starting over". I think it's pretty safe to say that Google has learned quite a bit.
Maybe so; but have the OEMs and Carriers?
I have argued several times on this site (mostly with nitwit AC's, I'll admit), that, if Google wanted to exert control over the distribution of Android, all they would have to do is place stipulations in their Agreements with those OEMs, (and Carriers, much like Apple does with iOS), NOT to mess with Android, and to IMMEDIATELY pass-along Updates after simply recompiling their BaseBand Libraries (and NOTHING more!) into them, if necessary.
But, then the typical Fandroid (to use the purorative term for convenience's sake), immediately comes back and says things like "There can't be any "Agreements", because Android is F/OSS (which has only ever been at most, partially true, at least in a practical sense), and that "There is NO WAY That Google can exert ANY Control over it, after they Publish it (again, NOT TRUE).
So, please square that VERY common Slashtard thinking with the thought that Google can now somehow exert control over "Fuchia" (or whatever it's called), without making it "Closed Source", and therefore no different in their minds than the Evilz Apple, with it's Closed Architecture.
Re: eh geek bench bs by TheRaven64 · 2017-09-17 21:18 · Score: 1

The only thing I was trying to point out was that Apple was involved in the earliest days of ARM history.
There's a difference between 'involved at the start' and 'involved since the start'. I don't contest that Apple was involved at the beginning, but they then largely did nothing with ARM other than buy some chips until about ten years ago, during which time ARM grew from being a tiny niche architecture primarily used in desktops from a British company that never managed to break into international markets to the most widespread ISA in deployment.

There aren't a whole lot of companies with ARM Architecture Licenses, period, and please tell me exactly what most of them, including Intel, have even been doing with theirs?
I'll admit that 'a lot' may have been an exaggeration in a market with about a dozen players in total, but for the record: Intel has been mostly sitting on theirs, but they were quite active with the StrongARM line for a bit (for a while they had two architecture licenses through different acquisitions, this one from Digital) and the follow-on XScale line designed in house. These were the highest performance ARM cores on the market for several years. Intel pulled back from the ARM market a while ago, though they keep their ARM architecture license and use a surprising number of ARM cores in various places (for example, Intel NICs have Intel-desigend ARM cores in them).
Qualcomm is an architecture partner and the Snapdragon series does pretty well and their acquisition of the mobile Radeon line from AMD lets them pair them with some very solid GPU cores. I think they got their architecture license around 2003/4 (it was in negotiation for a while before that), a few years before Apple got theirs.
Marvell got the other architecture license that Intel had, when Intel sold it off in 2006, around the time Apple became an architecture licensee. They've produced ARM cores implementing the ARMv5, ARMv6 and ARMv7-A architectures (Apple's oldest public core is v7-A, I think that the later iPods may have been in-house v6 designs, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't really interact with that business unit much. Apple's first iPhone core was basically an ARM core with some very minor layout tweaks).
The newer architecture licensees are mostly in less-traditional markets or implementations:
nVidia probably makes the most interesting ARM cores. Their Project Denver processors were designed without knowing until very late in the process whether they'd be x86 or ARM - nVidia was negotiating with both Intel and ARM for a license and eventually the negotiations with Intel fell through. Project Denver is based on the ideas nVidia acquired from Transmeta, with a healthy dose of GPU-inspired design thrown in. There's a simple in-order ARM core that collects profiling data and then a VLIW processor with quite an interesting design (the pipelines are offset from each other, so each stage can feed the next one). ARM instruction sequences are JIT compiled for the VLIW core and executed at much higher speed once hot code paths have been identified. This can give very impressive performance on certain workloads.
Cavium has been replacing their 64-bit MIPS lines with ARMv8 for a few years. Their customers are primarily networking vendors (Cisco, Juniper, and friends) and they deal in very high core and thread counts, with lower per-thread performance. We have a few of their systems - 48 cores per socket, two socket, and they're quite nice (though Cavium really doesn't seem to understand atomics that well).
Advanced Micro and AMD both have ARM cores targeted at the traditional server space, but they're both fairly new to the market (earlier AMD chips used ARM-designed cores).
Samsung has not had an architecture license for long, but they're starting to replace ARM-licensed cores with their own in-house designs. I've not seen any in the wild yet, so I don't know how they perform.

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Re: eh geek bench bs by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-19 06:55 · Score: 1

I bow to your much greater knowledge.
Very interesting! You OBVIOUSLY have paid FAR more attention to the subject of ARM Licensees that I have!!!
Thanks for the Edjumication!
Re:eh geek bench bs by Joce640k · 2017-09-21 01:45 · Score: 1

So?
If it's some highly parallel benchmark then obviously more cores will look better.
Will it equate to more performance in real life? I doubt it. Not many phones are used for raytracing or compressing video.
Actually, compressing video is a rather core task of any smartphone.
Really? How much video have you compressed today?
The stuff coming from the camera might need compressing but once you can do it you can do it. No need for any more cores.

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That nice... by oic0 · 2017-09-14 10:46 · Score: 1, Informative

Too bad its stuck to IOS, the OS made specifically for non power users.

Re:That nice... by MikeDataLink · 2017-09-14 10:50 · Score: 3, Funny

How many professional uses do you use your Android for?

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Re: That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:01 · Score: 0

Who brought up Android? And why?
Re: That nice... by clonehappy · 2017-09-14 11:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

Did you just arrive out of the DeLorean, doc? Android and iOS are the only two competitors in the phone/tablet space. If iOS is unsuitable for the GP's uses, the parent poster wanted to know what he's using Android for, since that's the only other option when it comes to mainstream supported mobile devices other than laptops. And since the A11 Bionic chip doesn't power a laptop, the reason the question was asked is plainly obvious.
Or are you just being obtuse?
Re: That nice... by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:33 · Score: 1

Android and iOS are the only two competitors in the phone/tablet space.
There are i7 tablets that run Windows, too. There might even be quite a lot of Windows Tablets. There's no reason to assume not, given Microsoft's direction with their GUI.
Re:That nice... by 0100010001010011 · 2017-09-14 13:51 · Score: 1

Too bad its stuck to IOS, the OS made specifically for non power users.
It's too bad they don't just sell a "Developer Edition" that is just OS X. On my Jailbroken iPod Touch it's closer to "UNIX" than my androids. They had an .deb package manager. You could enable SSH. Cross compiling was easy from XCode.
I'm waiting on the laptop that's just a USB-C connector, batteries, keyboard and monitor. A rooted octo-core phone is more than I grew up developing with.
Re:That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:00 · Score: 0

Try this scenario.
You're on the train on the way to work and get an email from a colleague. Attached is a zip or 7z archive. Save the file and extract it to your handset. There is multiple docx files in the zip, you are looking through the document and then see a typo and edit the typo and save back the file. Now you arrive in the office and transfer that same edited document onto the work file server over SMB.
On Android it is as easy as doing it on any desktop, you just save the file from your email. Open your file explorer app to the downloads folder and extract the zip then tap the document and open it in one of the many office apps available. Save the file then go back to the file explorer and transfer the file directly onto the SMB share.
On iOS you just stare at the fact the email has a compressed file and cannot proceed.
Re:That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:38 · Score: 0

I send and receive compressed (and encrypted) files just fine with iOS. I'll edit them, review, send back, etc.

In fact there are days that I don't bother to bring my laptop in if the day is just meetings.

Have a look at the App Store for "unzip" and "zip" to see what I mean.
Re:That nice... by phantomfive · 2017-09-14 15:39 · Score: 1

That would be the best idea ever. Of course, Apple will never do it, they want to keep their system locked down for some reason.

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Re:That nice... by Gabest · 2017-09-14 15:49 · Score: 1

Target's Sales Floors Are Switching From Apple To Android Devices
Re: That nice... by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:20 · Score: 1

You're stuck working within whatever apps you can find that can interconnect. But you're not allowed access to the filesystem. Google has been doing some horky business in recent Android releases with regard to filesystem access, but they've not yet gotten even close to the prohibitiveness that Apple has enforced all along.
Re:That nice... by rat_herder · 2017-09-14 16:29 · Score: 1

You can easily deal with this scenario on iOS. There are many different ways to do it from many developers. See the app store for the 'file browser' app which actually does both. Or you could deal with it inside of google drive (unzipping) and sharing with another app. Or you could remote into a real workstation and do it (vnc's) etc. etc. One thing that (probably) won't happen on iOS is have that file pwning your device. Far more likely on your droid device. I'll take speed and security for a mobile platform (iOS) Maximum flexibility on a desktop platform (OSX with CentOS and Windows VMs)
Re:That nice... by rat_herder · 2017-09-14 16:30 · Score: 1

Seems like a reasonable idea as long as they have capable people to secure it. Whats your point?
Re:That nice... by brantondaveperson · 2017-09-14 16:34 · Score: 2

I get what you're saying, but if I have a colleague who insists on sending me compressed archives of word documents, I'm going to tell them to stop, and use google docs, or something similar, instead. If there's a worse way of collaborating than email, I'm yet to find it.
Re:That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 17:58 · Score: 0

Enjoy your false sense of security.
Re: That nice... by Freischutz · 2017-09-14 20:22 · Score: 1

You're stuck working within whatever apps you can find that can interconnect. But you're not allowed access to the filesystem. Google has been doing some horky business in recent Android releases with regard to filesystem access, but they've not yet gotten even close to the prohibitiveness that Apple has enforced all along.
Point is you can do all the things he described doing on Android using iOS, you can unzip a file, you can edit a .docx file (with Microsoft Word, the industry standard, no less), you can zip it up again if you want, and yeah you can connect to an SMB server to transfer your file. Failing that you can e-mail yourself the document and drag-n-drop it to the SMB server when you get to work, so.... egg, meet face... OK you may 'need an a APP for that' to steal a cheesy line from the late Steve Jobs, but the iTunes store is full of those. OK, you can't save stuff to vast, sprawling folder trees in a file system like you're used to on Windows but all that boils down to is you complaining about a different way of doing things. Personally I hate folder trees and the bigger they are the more I hate them. I prefer a nebulous 'cloud' type storage that I can search for what I want and that is how iOS does things. The point here is that if you want to slam iOS for not being capable of doing task X the way it is done on Windows... well, that' just though. If iOS cant' do somethign out of-the-box there are are millions of apps on iTunes and you can usually find an App do to your task. Android users don't usually seem to buy anything like as many apps Apple users do, that is a well know difference between the two ecosystems. Now maybe that is because Android is just so perfect out of the box you don't need to buy any Apps to customise your system, in which case, good for you. Personally I don't care that I sometimes have to buy an App, Apps cost peanuts and you can usually find several different takes on how to solve a given problem by as many developers and can choose the one you prefer.
Re:That nice... by Freischutz · 2017-09-14 20:41 · Score: 1

You can easily deal with this scenario on iOS. There are many different ways to do it from many developers. See the app store for the 'file browser' app which actually does both. Or you could deal with it inside of google drive (unzipping) and sharing with another app. Or you could remote into a real workstation and do it (vnc's) etc. etc. One thing that (probably) won't happen on iOS is have that file pwning your device. Far more likely on your droid device. I'll take speed and security for a mobile platform (iOS) Maximum flexibility on a desktop platform (OSX with CentOS and Windows VMs)
Hehe..... iOS user vs Android user = complete disconnect. It reminds me of the Mac user vs Windows user debates back in the day, it was like watching a first contact situation between two alien races, they could see each other, hear each other, smell each other but had decades of work ahead of them before they would be able to communicate and effectively understand each other. Android users expect everything to be there out-of-the-box and it should preferably work like it does on Windows (the industry standard OS after all). iOS users generally just shrug and go 'huh, that's new' when something works in a novel way, they don't go grumpy over it. When something does not work out of the box they just hit iTunes and browse the half dozen or more different takes on how to solve their problem with some app, many Android users I know seem to consider that an imposition, but then they are often more a more conservative type of person in that respect... like I said, Trekkies/Lucas-hounds, liberals/conservatives, Android/iOS users, humans/aliens, all examples of a complete disconnect.
Re:That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 22:01 · Score: 0

Mac vs. Windows was about money in the end.
You didn't have a lot of say in what computer your parents bought you. If your parents bought you a Mac, they were probably loaded.
Everyone with a PC really wanted a C=64, but they're better off that their parents didn't cave.
Re:That nice... by mjwx · 2017-09-15 00:01 · Score: 1

How many professional uses do you use your Android for?
Every one that an Iphone is capable of and more. Lets face it, Iphones have no special business use either, but are more limited than Android. If you've flown on a recently designed airliner, one thing you should notice is that the IFE's are now Android based. Android is actually getting quite big in the embedded device space. How's IOS doing there?

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Re:That nice... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:57 · Score: 1

Try this scenario.
You're on the train on the way to work and get an email from a colleague. Attached is a zip or 7z archive. Save the file and extract it to your handset. There is multiple docx files in the zip, you are looking through the document and then see a typo and edit the typo and save back the file. Now you arrive in the office and transfer that same edited document onto the work file server over SMB.
On Android it is as easy as doing it on any desktop, you just save the file from your email. Open your file explorer app to the downloads folder and extract the zip then tap the document and open it in one of the many office apps available. Save the file then go back to the file explorer and transfer the file directly onto the SMB share.
On iOS you just stare at the fact the email has a compressed file and cannot proceed.
Zip files unarchive just fine in iOS. You might bone-up on subjects before you make an ass out of your self in a public forum. Especially a Tech forum. Or even Slashdot...
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/o...
Also, before you bash not having native support for common filetypes, remember that Windows STILL doesn't have NATIVE support for PDF. Nor does it NATIVELY support many Archive formats, such as RAR, tar, gzip, etc.
And as a matter of fact, I can't seem to find a list of Archive file Formats that Android NATIVELY supports.
So, what was your point again?
Re: That nice... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:01 · Score: 1

You're stuck working within whatever apps you can find that can interconnect. But you're not allowed access to the filesystem. Google has been doing some horky business in recent Android releases with regard to filesystem access, but they've not yet gotten even close to the prohibitiveness that Apple has enforced all along.
That wasn't much of a problem before, with third-party Apps like GoodReader, and Apple's "Sharing" capabilities.
But in iOS 11, due to be out in just a couple of days (September 19), there is a "Files" App, which exposes the filesystem, very similar to the macOS "Finder".
https://www.cultofmac.com/4859...
So, suck it.
Re:That nice... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:04 · Score: 1

Enjoy your false sense of security.
Really?
After 10 years of iOS, and nearly zero exploits, you have the unmitigated gall to call iOS' demonstrable track-record "false"?
Talk about delusional!
Re:That nice... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:11 · Score: 1

Target's Sales Floors Are Switching From Apple To Android Devices
https://thenextweb.com/apple/2...
So, what's your point?
Re:That nice... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:14 · Score: 1

How many professional uses do you use your Android for?
Every one that an Iphone is capable of and more.
Lets face it, Iphones have no special business use either, but are more limited than Android. If you've flown on a recently designed airliner, one thing you should notice is that the IFE's are now Android based. Android is actually getting quite big in the embedded device space. How's IOS doing there?
Apple has traditionally eschewed brand-dilution by allowing their stuff to be hacked into mincemeat by some half-assed Chinese embedded Devs.
Google, OTOH, has no shame.
Re: That nice... by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-15 06:28 · Score: 1

You keep saying 'the way it is done on Windows' when we are talking, literally, about the way it is done on just about any other architecture, anywhere, except on iOS. Linux, Solaris, a BSD operating system. Even MacOS has an exposed filesystem.
It's fine to dislike a hierarchical filesystem architecture if that's your preference. You can probably employ an assistant or purchase a search product to know where the things you care about are 'kept' and remain ignorant of what else might be lurking somewhere, anywhere in that filesystem that you never, ever directly navigate. Don't be surprised, though, that there are probably things in there that other people can find that you wish was not there, because you never look.
Re: That nice... by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-15 06:31 · Score: 1

Wow, man. Somebody in Apple Marketing found out there is a filesystem and requested that a browser applet be added?
Why wasn't that one of the keynotes at the event on Tuesday?
I am sooo, sooo trumped by this announcement. Literally speechless.
Re: That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 08:01 · Score: 0

Lul windows. Come on now. You must be joking.
Pass the dutchie to the left hand side my friend.
Re: That nice... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 10:43 · Score: 0

These are apple worshippers they are targeting. Poop emjois are more their level then filesystems.

It is though thousands of fanboids cried out... by AmazingRuss · 2017-09-14 10:47 · Score: 1

... in terror, but will never be silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

Of course it is.... by MikeDataLink · 2017-09-14 10:47 · Score: 4, Insightful

New iPhone is launched:
Apple Fanbois: New iPhone is faster than the Samsung!
Android Fanbois: It doesn't matter. So many other things are more important the processor speed!!!!

New Android phone is launched:
Android Fanbois: New Samsung is faster than the iPhone!
Apple Fanbois: It doesn't matter. So many other things are more important the processor speed!!!!

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Re:Of course it is.... by MikeDataLink · 2017-09-14 11:02 · Score: 1, Flamebait

Samsung have never been faster than iPhone, fag.
I'm not gay, and I never said it was. Nice to meet you. (or in your case meat you)

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Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:08 · Score: 2, Insightful

FWIW your second case does not happen very often.
Like it or not, Apple's single core performance usually kills anything on the market running Android, and typically the multicore performance of Android phones has not been enough to match the interactive speed of iOS either; responsiveness and smoothness usually lag behind.
I speak as someone who would actually be happy if this was not the case. And if Android vendors were remotely as focussed on end-user security. There's no way I'll purchase a Samsung thing for my house for a while.
Captcha: Paranoia. What this isn't.
Re:Of course it is.... by baker_tony · 2017-09-14 11:15 · Score: 1

What sort of fag is it? Marlboro? Camel?
You know those things are bad for your health?
Re:Of course it is.... by dreamchaser · 2017-09-14 11:36 · Score: 2

Here I thought he was talking about a bundle of firewood.
Re:Of course it is.... by Kjella · 2017-09-14 12:31 · Score: 5, Insightful

Well, just recognizing that Apple does some innovative hardcore engineering seems to be hard for some. There are always those that claim Apple's business model is wrapping things others have created in white plastic, marketing it to hipsters and selling it at double price. Which is occasionally true but they do have some pretty impressive home brew like the CPUs, Secure Enclave (when the FBI whines they've done something right) and they've fronted some technology like high DPI displays and fingerprint scanning making it mainstream. By the time it's passed through Apple's marketing machine nerds seem to hate it no matter what.

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Re:Of course it is.... by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:35 · Score: 1

I was thinking more bassoon.
Re: Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:57 · Score: 0

The iPhone 6s still smokes high end Android phones. This is because android phones are fragmented and no two phones produced in the same year are equal in performance, many of the throwaway phones on Amazon are running Android 5.x
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:58 · Score: 1, Informative

Nerds who can't afford it hate it. Nerds who can afford it buy it and love it.
Re:Of course it is.... by hey! · 2017-09-14 13:05 · Score: 1

Well I'll tell you one thing that's more important than CPU speed: battery. If your battery doesn't last the day then you're carrying a piece of expensive glass in your pocket.

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Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 15:55 · Score: 0

No nerd buys Apple.
Re: Of course it is.... by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:25 · Score: 2

Apple has hated nerds since the Mac introduction in 1984. The Mac was purpose-built as the anti-nerd computer. Jobs made a big deal of that at the time. They were in the process of killing the Apple ][ culture.
Re:Of course it is.... by guacamole · 2017-09-14 16:42 · Score: 1

Your ironic analogy no longer holds because I believe ever since iPhone 5S, the iphones have been smoking the Android hardware in raw CPU performance.
Re:Of course it is.... by Espectr0 · 2017-09-14 16:54 · Score: 1

No android phone has been faster than an iPhone, for the simple reason of Java. Hardware itself is often superior on android, yet the software always drags it down. Current iphones are no slouchs either. And i say this as an android owner.

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Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:03 · Score: 0

If you mean by hard code engineering you mean stealing patented tech from University of Wisconsin then I agree.
Re:Of course it is.... by LostMyBeaver · 2017-09-14 18:21 · Score: 1

I am kinda more of a buffoon... does this count?
Re:Of course it is.... by polyp2000 · 2017-09-14 18:55 · Score: 1

"There's no way I'll purchase a Samsung thing for my house for a while." ...
Me neither they spend too much time trying to copy Apple (Except in facial recognition I think Samsung actually bagged that one first),I wouldnt buy any Apple products either because cost and vendor lock-in, and the fact that i like to make choices on merit rather than following fashion like a sheep.

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Re:Of course it is.... by AmiMoJo · 2017-09-14 19:49 · Score: 0

Apple heavily optimizes for benchmarks, but in terms of actually getting stuff done with the phone...
Just the app switching button on Android alone makes it 10x faster to do stuff than on iOS. You can double tap it to switch back and forth between two apps, which is great for note taking, comparing or copy/pasting translations. The transition takes a few hundred milliseconds.
You are mistaken about Apple pioneering/inventing certain tech too. Secure enclaves have been around long before Apple came on the scene, and actually Samsung was the first to use them to secure phones. For years apple was known for low quality, low DPI displays when everyone else was doing at least 720p, and 1080p or higher was standard on flagships. Apple was hobbled by the need to go to exact multiples of the original iPhone resolution to make skeudimorphic graphics scale well.

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Re:Of course it is.... by thegarbz · 2017-09-14 21:15 · Score: 1

Actually I think you'll find most people don't give a shit.
Hurrah I can switch to Safari in 0.1seconds faster than previously. Whoopdefuckingdo. It's a phone.
Re:Of course it is.... by TheRaven64 · 2017-09-14 21:53 · Score: 1

Just the app switching button on Android alone makes it 10x faster to do stuff than on iOS.
Double tap the home button on an iOS device and you'll get a view that is very similar to the Android one (i.e. the one both Android and iOS copied from WebOS).

You can double tap it to switch back and forth between two apps, which is great for note taking, comparing or copy/pasting translations
I've never done that, but it sounds useful. Though for that use case, the ability of iOS to display two apps side by side may be even more useful.

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Re:Of course it is.... by AmiMoJo · 2017-09-14 21:59 · Score: 1

Double tap the home button on an iOS device
They removed the home button on the latest iPhones. It's all done through gestures now. Slow, awkward gestures.

the ability of iOS to display two apps side by side may be even more useful.
Copied from Android...

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Re: Of course it is.... by Dixie_Flatline · 2017-09-14 22:11 · Score: 1

For the next release, Apple fans wonâ(TM)t need to do that anymoreâ"the A11 will still be faster than next yearâ(TM)s Qualcomm release. Itâ(TM)s already partly true right now; the iPhone 7 does those âoereal worldâ speed loop tests than the most modern android phones already.
Now is any of this meaningful? Probably not. But itâ(TM)s a metric of comparison that Apple owns.
Re:Of course it is.... by BasilBrush · 2017-09-14 22:23 · Score: 1

Samsung only did facial recognition from a 2D photo. iPhone X does a lot more. It projects a grid of dots onto the face, and photos with 2 cameras, giving 3D information. That helps prevent spoofing with photos.
And one of the cameras is IR so is looking for heat patterns, which would help to reject mannequins.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 23:01 · Score: 0

It matters when your working with 4k 60 fps video files.
Re:Of course it is.... by bazorg · 2017-09-14 23:56 · Score: 1

If a nerd can afford the object of their obsession, then they are a geek. 8)
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:00 · Score: 0

So it copied from Microsoft Kinect. Got ya
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:03 · Score: 0

I can afford it. I still hate it.
Re:Of course it is.... by jeremyp · 2017-09-15 01:07 · Score: 1

You're in the "can't afford it" category, I see.

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Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:35 · Score: 0

Fingerprint scanning is an off the shelf piece of code. I had it on a laptop over a decade ago. High DPI screens are engineered by Samsung and LG, they are off the shelf components. Home brew CPU? It's ARM based, an open design anyone can use and used in just about every consumer electronics product from HDTVs, STBs, washing machines and AC units. You really are in the Jobs unreality bubble, aren't you?
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:49 · Score: 0

i can afford, buti stopped drinking thekoolaid over a decade ago.
apple's primary raison d'etre is to separate their hardcore fanbois from all of their money while primarily providing purely eyecandy based'updates'.
apple does very little real engineering work any longer. all of their primary work has been through ourchased companies just so that they can control their supply chain to facilitate the continuing extraction of cash from their fanbois.
they've really lettheir mac division tank on all fronts. notebooks with sh!t thermal design to long outdated desktops, all of which are egregiously overpriced, and don't even get me started on the stagnant pile of crap that osx is...
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:09 · Score: 0

I'm going to have great fun every time my boss put his iphone down, quick couple of looks at it and he'll be back to typing in his pass code.
I'm sure the novelty, will wear off quite quickly for him.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:12 · Score: 0

Don't do that on your phone then champ?
I hate when people trot out idiotic expectations to use as a yard stick.
But I want to edit 4k video!
I want to write a novel on my phone!
I want to play a AAA game on my phone!
The battery should last me a WEEK while doing this!
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:13 · Score: 0

you don't have two apps visable at once, how quaint and old fashioned of you.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 03:13 · Score: 0

They removed the home button on the latest iPhones. It's all done through gestures now. Slow, awkward gestures.
On the iPhone X. It's still there on the 8. And, until more people have used the gestures, I don't think it's fair to comment on how well they work.
Re:Of course it is.... by butchersong · 2017-09-15 03:22 · Score: 1

Traditionally I believe it was a pejorative word that essentially meant "burdensome". Like a bundle of firewood that back in the day you had to cart home. In later slang it was interpreted more "burdensome like a woman". Basically firewood is handy and keeps you warm but its one more thing you have to cart around -like a woman.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 05:09 · Score: 0

It happens tons more than you get laid son!
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 05:43 · Score: 0

You haven't actually used TouchID yet, hm? Once the iPhone has learned your fingerprint, you can put your finger on the scanner in about any orientation you like, it will be able to read it. That's the difference between 'has a fingerprint reader' as on the old laptops and 'has a fingerprint reader that actually works every time'.
High DPI screens did exist, yes... but no one was using them. Then the iPhone 4 came out and suddenly the screens on all other phones looked dated when compared to it. Only then you got high DPI screens in mainstream phones.
Home brew CPU, yes... they roll their own as shown in the benchmark results. They just use the ARM architecture. Feel free to design a better ARM CPU if you think it's easy.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 05:46 · Score: 0

Then Apple has nothing to worry about.... I have an iPhone 7+ and only need to charge it twice a week (usually 40% left), the battery life with my usage pattern is unbelievable. So far I have never been able to empty the battery in a single day, no matter how I used the phone.
Re: Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:14 · Score: 0

I hope you can't drain it in a day... It would be a really weak battery then.
Re:Of course it is.... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:23 · Score: 1

Except in facial recognition I think Samsung actually bagged that one first
Um, not so much...
http://www.businessinsider.com...
Re:Of course it is.... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:25 · Score: 1

I'm going to have great fun every time my boss put his iphone down, quick couple of looks at it and he'll be back to typing in his pass code.
I'm sure the novelty, will wear off quite quickly for him.
And I'm sure your employment will quickly wear off, once your boss catches you messing with his phone...
Re:Of course it is.... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:26 · Score: 1

So it copied from Microsoft Kinect. Got ya
More like, they both researched the same academic papers.
Re:Of course it is.... by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 06:36 · Score: 1

No nerd buys Apple.
Tell that to nerds like Linus Torvalds, Bruce Schneier, and the several 3 and 4-digit UIDs here on Slashdot that use Apple exclusively, or as often as possible.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 10:10 · Score: 0

Argument #3 from the Slashdot Whiners Handbook: Somebody, somewhere did a half-assed, superficially similar implementation of something before Apple made it fast, reliable, and useable, therefore Apple "doesn't innovate"....
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 10:25 · Score: 0

LOL , right; the only engineering apple does is the reverse engineering of other companies products.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 11:38 · Score: 0

Nobody said anything about gay. He's calling you a bundle of sticks, moron.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 14:26 · Score: 0

Are you saying hot mannequins won't be rejected? Sounds like the plot of a 1987 film.
Re:Of course it is.... by jon3k · 2017-09-16 01:18 · Score: 1

Many Apple "innovations" weren't in being the first to come up with a particular technology, it's being the first to do it extremely well and integrate it with the rest of the system. Other smartphones had fingerprint scanners before TouchID (remember the Motorola Atrix?) but do you remember how universally AWFUL fingerprint scanners were before TouchID? And I don't just mean on phones, I mean everywhere. Every awful laptop fingerprint scanner, mostly swipe sensors, that took 5 tries to get it to read. Just miserable. Now I can reach in my pocket and my phone is unlocked before it's close enough to read.
Re:Of course it is.... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-16 22:50 · Score: 0

i like to make choices on merit rather than following fashion like a sheep.
No you don't. You're just a different kind of sheep. But you don't realize it and you'll think what I'm writing her his stupid. But you are just as irrational as the "sheep." You first thought about anything from Apple is negative. If you behaved rationally that wouldn't be the case. Clearly they are doing some very good work, and while it might not end up being right for you, it's certainly worthy of consideration. But you don't do that. You start by rejecting it, then figure out why later.
Re:Of course it is.... by bn-7bc · 2017-09-19 06:38 · Score: 1

Hmm I though that case was named University of Wisconsin VS apple and not the state vs apple, but hey if it was a criminal and not a civil case I can exept your use of the word theft.

No Surprise by mentil · 2017-09-14 10:49 · Score: 1, Informative

Apple devices tend to destroy everything else on the market in benchmarks, when they first come out. Most of a year later, some Android devices will come out that come close to or even surpass its speed, only for Apple to release a new chip a few months later that leaves them in the dust. One exception: Atom chips (in certain Windows convertible tablets) tend to outperform them, although are generally higher wattage so it's arguably an unfair comparison.

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Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:57 · Score: 0, Interesting

Nope - atom chips actually are SIGNIFICANTLY slower. In fact, there's current laptop i7s that are slower than the iPhone's CPU too at this point:
https://browser.geekbench.com/...
vs
https://browser.geekbench.com/...
Re:No Surprise by LynnwoodRooster · 2017-09-14 11:08 · Score: 1

And yet, Android keeps walking away from iOS in terms of marketshare - US and the world. It's almost like raw CPU speed doesn't matter nearly as much as people try to infer that it does. Memory, storage, ease-of-use, apps, etc. seem to drive market share - and it's consistently moving towards Android. Another year or two and iOS will be in the single digits of market share and essentially irrelevant. Sure, maybe the fastest processor - but so what?

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Re: No Surprise by Anubis+IV · 2017-09-14 11:15 · Score: 1

I'm pretty sure that argument stopped holding water at least as far back as 2015, when the performance of these devices started to pass that of various laptops and a bevy of pro-level apps like Photoshop, Office, and even CAD finally made their way to these platforms.
But hey, feel free to cling to the past by trotting out your tired old lines to try and troll folks.
Re:No Surprise by baker_tony · 2017-09-14 11:17 · Score: 2, Insightful

Cheap toys outsell expensive toys, what's your point?
If you're trying to suggest that everyone who buys a cheap Android phone chooses to do that because they don't want iOS rather than can't afford an Apple phone, I'd say you're incredibly incorrect.
Re: No Surprise by tepples · 2017-09-14 11:18 · Score: 1

Let me know when Xcode is ported to iPad.
Re: No Surprise by Anubis+IV · 2017-09-14 11:28 · Score: 0

Sure, it's a glaring hole, but an inability to handle a particular use case does not make it a toy OS by any stretch of the imagination.
I too am waiting for the day that XCode shows up on iOS, since that'll signal a sea change in the nature of computing, but software development isn't nearly so well-suited to the interaction model of mobile devices as the apps I mentioned, all of which are more than capable of being accomplished on mobile devices today. In fact, in an increasing number of cases those tasks are better accomplished on a mobile device than on a traditional PC.
Re:No Surprise by Njorthbiatr · 2017-09-14 11:35 · Score: 5, Insightful

I mean, that's cute, but you're wrong. That CPU will crush the iPhone's new fancy processor in a way that isn't even a competition. You should really stop trusting Geekbench scores, as they intentionally take TDP out of the equation.
The i7 chip can go forever without really thermal throttling in most laptop setups, even under high stress. The iPhone sleeps the CPU in between clock cycles to intentionally let it cool down. Further, the iPhone is running highly optimized software with very specific limitations. It doesn't need to be good at general tasks in the same way the i7 does. Sure it can do cool 4k video stuff... With how many codecs? Yeah, that's what specific hardware gets you, very fast specific things.
It's a great phone processor, but any i7 is going to leave it in the dust in any respectable comparison that doesn't artificially alter benchmarks to make things seem better than they are.
Re:No Surprise by dreamchaser · 2017-09-14 11:44 · Score: 2

My Pixel XL was not cheap and blows the doors off the iPhone 7 it replaced. Smoother and more useful. That's just my particular opinion and of course anecdotal, but you are in error if you think all Android phones are 'cheap toys'.
Re:No Surprise by baker_tony · 2017-09-14 11:50 · Score: 2

Can't you put 1 and 1 together?
The reason why there are a shit load more Android phones out there are because there are a shit load of them that are cheaper than Apples, just like there are a shit load more toys (like plastic kids toys) out there than expensive kids toys.
Do you have stats showing the proportion of phones that are Android from a certain manufacturer vs iOS that are priced the same as Apple's phones? I bet it's a lot closer than comparing every single Android phone from every single manufacturer in the world that makes them to just Apple.
Re:No Surprise by zedaroca · 2017-09-14 12:10 · Score: 3, Insightful

Of course not everyone, that's a strawman. But to try to imply that a significant portion would rather have iOS is also incredibly incorrect. Most people who buys cheap Androids are either fine or would rather have an expensive Android. People who really want an iphone are buying 4s and 5s iphones now. I know a bunch of them, it's sad.
Re: No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:17 · Score: 0

Honestly, you're talking about single-core performance.
The i7 manages to almost match the 6-core ARM with only 2 cores.
And that's assuming the benchmark is comparing apples to apples, which it's not.
Re: No Surprise by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:39 · Score: 1

I want Xcode to be part of pkgsrc.
At least in part because it will mean that Apple has been shut down and is out of business. (iow 'hell will have frozen over')
I'm not that good at ice skating, but I could learn.
Re:No Surprise by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:42 · Score: 1

Cheap toys outsell expensive toys, what's your point?
Kids have fun with whatever toys they are given.
The rich kids might not like that reality, but it's just the deal.
Re:No Surprise by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:44 · Score: 1

The Mandarins all have the latest iPhone.
Re: No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:02 · Score: 0

The multi core performance is meaningless on all devices because exactly zero software makes meaningful use of multi cores. Multi core only gets used in servers and non-linear compression. SSL in web browsers for example is horrible and locked to single cores. JavaScript in all browsers are single threaded. So faster single cores is the only meaningful benchmark. The iPhone X single core score smokes most android multi core scores, that tells you how many Android devices are trash.
Re: No Surprise by richardellisjr · 2017-09-14 13:24 · Score: 1

Your making the huge assumption that a large number of users want a powerful phone, however for all but the most serious if power users the top end phones are complete over kill. Just like general purpose computing most will be more than happy with tech that's years behind the top of the line. I'd even argue many "power users" won't need the latest and greatest. I'm not even sure the model of the Samsung phone I'm typing this on now, because I use it for browsing the web and email and only care that those work. Extreme speed isn't necessary.
Re: No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:26 · Score: 0

Don't let that "6 cores" number fool you - this is a dual core device.
bigLITTLE architectures are *really* unevenly distributed. The LITTLE cores are typically extremely small in-order execution units that are somewhere around 20 times slower than the big cores.
So really what you're seeing is 2 big cores, plus 4 extremely slow friends. That's borne out in the benchmark too. The iPhone is slightly slower for single core, and then roughly twice as fast, plus a tiny little bit for multi core. Meanwhile the i7 is only roughly twice as fast for multi core, since it only has 2 real cores.
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:30 · Score: 0

My bet, actually, the i7 will thermal throttle *long* before the ARM in the iPhone.
i7s are well known to have turbo modes, and power gating up the wazoo to deal with cooling themselves down in a laptop enclosure. Meanwhile, the chips in mobile phones are designed to work in... well... mobile phones. Put that ARM chip in a laptop enclosure and it'll be trivially easy to cool. I'd bet you it wouldn't even thermal throttle if you didn't bother putting a fan on it.
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:33 · Score: 0

Strange - this seems to suggest that the Pixel XL is substantially less responsive than an iPhone 7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Further to that, despite its extra gig of RAM, thanks to Android's inefficiency it can't keep as many apps in memory at once.
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:46 · Score: 0

And yet, Apple obviously doesn't care about market share. That they care about (and dominate) profit share has been well-established for at least half a decade now.
Re:No Surprise by LynnwoodRooster · 2017-09-14 14:37 · Score: 0

Why does iOS and Apple continue to "innovate" by copying features standard in the OS and hardware for years in the Android world? Courage? Bottom line: iOS will end up in single digit territory, and apps will get released as 2nd tier - if ever - simply because market share doesn't exist.

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Re:No Surprise by LynnwoodRooster · 2017-09-14 14:38 · Score: 1

Who knew that consumers actually prefer choice?

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Re:No Surprise by baker_tony · 2017-09-14 14:49 · Score: 1

"Bottom line: iOS will end up in single digit territory, and apps will get released as 2nd tier - if ever - simply because market share doesn't exist."
So you think all Android devices can run any Android app and Android owners are more willing to spend money on apps that iOS users, ay?
I hate to tell you this, but the latest version of Android, Nougat (v7) has been out for a year now and has only just passed the 10% mark., Marshmallow (v6) is only at 31%, on par with Lollipop (v5).
with iOS, version 10 (1 year old) is at 83%.
If you're a developer, what platform are you going to target?
"la-la" - the land you're in.
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 15:58 · Score: 0

So sorry to tell you this but Steve Jobs has died. You don't have to gargle his cock anymore. Unless you are trying to gargle Tim Cook's cock. You fucking faggot.
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 16:17 · Score: 0

The first legal slave in America was owned by a black man
You should try pulling your dick out of your sister and actually opening a history book sometime. This claim is total bullshit and easily debunked.
Re: No Surprise by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:39 · Score: 1

With Android, there is sort of a slider for the SDK that lets you pick how far back in Android versions you want to target your app. With Apple you're pretty much forced forward onto what Apple considers the current and 'correct' API. It could be seen as a cultural difference. Or a political one. Clearly with Apple you are expected, even required, to shitcan the old. For better or worse, and there are definitely cases to be made both ways.
Re:No Surprise by LynnwoodRooster · 2017-09-14 16:55 · Score: 0

Educate yourself. Sorry, snowflake.

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Re:No Surprise by LynnwoodRooster · 2017-09-14 16:58 · Score: 1

Android has been returning more revenue than iOS since 2014. And it's trivial to support previous versions of Android, as opposed to iOS...

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Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:03 · Score: 0

Did you even read your link?
It directly contradicts your claim

Many historians describe indentured servant John Punch as the first documented slave in America, as he was sentenced to life in servitude as punishment for escaping in 1640
So the first sentenced slave was 13 years BEFORE the Casor case.
Once again, pull your dick out of your sister and hit the books. You clearly can't read so I suggest starting with "Run spot run" because clearly history books are way above your level.
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:07 · Score: 0

Id go with Android. With apple the chance of getting kick off the store and your app get stolen by apple is too great.
Re: No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:50 · Score: 0

There would be some merit to that argument if it weren't for the fact that expensive Android phones also outsell Apple's iPhone.
Re: No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 19:20 · Score: 0

And my bet is you have no idea what you're talking about but looove Apple enough to lie to yourself.
Re: No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 19:23 · Score: 0

I guess we should all trust [random YouTube video] now. Seems reliable.
Re: No Surprise by JaredOfEuropa · 2017-09-14 19:33 · Score: 1

Coding on an iPad is going to suck horribly. Maybe on a Surface Pro, since that thing has what iOS tablets lack: a mouse (or touch pad), and an OS that knows what to do with it. No mouse means any serious amount of typing is going to be awful. The Surface Pro with a keyboard & mouse cover actually makes a very decent small laptop, good for serious use.

How is mouse support on Android these days?

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Re:No Surprise by LynnwoodRooster · 2017-09-14 19:43 · Score: 0

"This was the first instance of a judicial determination in the Thirteen Colonies holding that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life" - John Punch was a criminal sentenced to a life sentence. Casor served his indentured servitude time, then was legally kept as a slave not because he broke his contract (like Punch) but because his owner, a black man, sued to keep him.

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Re:No Surprise by thegarbz · 2017-09-14 21:17 · Score: 1

Which Mandarins are those? The orange fruit? The book? Or are you talking about China where iOS enjoys one of the lowest smartphone market shares in the world?
Re: No Surprise by Bert64 · 2017-09-14 23:30 · Score: 1

No mouse means any serious amount of typing is going to be awful.
You type using a mouse? I'd rather have a keyboard, and iOS supports bluetooth keyboards just fine.

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Re: No Surprise by JaredOfEuropa · 2017-09-15 00:23 · Score: 1

I type using a keyboard but use a mouse for marking text for copying & pasting, scrolling, moving the cursor around. I find that sort of thing way easier to do with a mouse or even a crummy touchpad than a keyboard (or god forbid a touchscreen)

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Re: No Surprise by jeremyp · 2017-09-15 01:17 · Score: 1

Well it's random Youtube video against random Slashdot commenter.
You decide.

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Re:No Surprise by jeremyp · 2017-09-15 01:26 · Score: 1

Android doesn't have market share, neither does iOS. Samsung has market share. HTC has market share. Apple has market share. You don't buy the operating system, you buy the phone.
And you had better hope that Apple remains relevant because the only thing that drives innovation in either operating system is the fact that the other exists.

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Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:27 · Score: 0

Ergo your signature is wrong. The first legal slave in america was in fact NOT owned by a black man. and keep in mind these are just the court cases proving you wrong. Slavery was legal in america loonngg before these court cases and legal slaves had in fact been held by white people long before the casor case. Inbred hillbillies like you need to stop with the "but muh narrative" bullshit. Stop having your little snowflake meltdown and face reality.
Re: No Surprise by jeremyp · 2017-09-15 01:48 · Score: 2

With the current Xcode I can target any version of iOS back to version 8. I think that's the one that introduced 64 bit. So I can write an app that will use the latest shiny stuff if it is available but will also run on older iPhones. If you want to continue to support older versions of iOS you do have to keep older versions of Xcode around which means keeping an older version of OS X around. Unfortunately for people with phones that can't run iOS 8 there aren't many of them so I guess they do get shitcanned.
More importantly, I can write an app today that targets iOS 11 which is not released yet and know that a pretty sizeable percentage of my market will be on iOS 11 by the time I release the app. The culture is that most people upgrade because it's very easy to do so. Unfortunately, the Android model makes it extremely difficult to emulate that because most of the manufacturers don't really give a toss.

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Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 03:38 · Score: 0

When you say something like "the iPhone sleeps the CPU in between clock cycles" it becomes clear you don't really know what you're talking about...
Re:No Surprise by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 04:14 · Score: 0

When you say something like "the iPhone sleeps the CPU in between clock cycles" it becomes clear you don't really know what you're talking about...
Yup. Perhaps he meant intentionally stuffing no-ops.
Re: No Surprise by david_thornley · 2017-09-15 10:18 · Score: 1

Unfortunately for people with phones that can't run iOS 8 there aren't many of them so I guess they do get shitcanned.

From a business point of view, someone who's more than two major versions behind on the OS is almost certainly either too cheap or too poor to buy new apps, or is completely satisfied with his or her phone and doesn't want new apps. It can suck to be almost satisfied with an older phone or computer.

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Skeptical here by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:49 · Score: 0

Leaked?!?! Yeah, there's no chance the results were faked.

Could the results be accurate? Sure, but show me corroboration.

Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:50 · Score: 0, Insightful

While Apple handsets are clearly faster than Android offerings, the phone continues to revolutionize the mobile handset market as only Steve Jobs could have envisioned all those years ago. It's a great tribute to Jobs that Apple is able to continue to innovate even in his absence. He was taken from us too soon. RIP, Steve Jobs.

Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:49 · Score: 0

Innovate? each year they release Iphone version one higher that last years model.
Study after study has shown that apple isnt innovating and actually introduces features AFTER android already has them in use.
"He was taken from us too soon. "
Perhaps he should have looked for actual medical advice and not some fad "orange diet" which did nothign, then trying to buy houses in every state to claim residency there for priority organ transfers after it was already too late?
Face it, he was a major prick.
Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:17 · Score: 0

Just because he was a prick doesn't mean he didn't also have a real knack for product design and attention to detail. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I work with some real sons of bitches, but they're also pretty brilliant at what they do. If they weren't, we wouldn't tolerate them.
Re:Missing the point by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:47 · Score: 1

I have worked for a few brilliant sons of bitches myself. I hope karma won't slam me in the head (it won't) that I am glad a few of them are fucking dead now.
The world turns. It rolls on. And, we forget the shitty part and revere the good stuff. Sometimes in a way that baadly distorts history.
Re: Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:19 · Score: 0

Bullshit. This year they released one two versions higher.
Re: Missing the point by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:42 · Score: 1

They copied Microsoft and skipped '9'.
Re:Missing the point by guacamole · 2017-09-15 00:05 · Score: 0

Churning out a faster and ever faster mobile CPU year after year does not constitute real innovation. From an average user's standpoint, the iPhone 8 is not much different from iPhone 6. Apple has been now conning people for three-plus years selling effectively the same phone with slightly better tweaked specs: the iPhone 6, 6s, 7, and 8. They all are the same, except the last two erased the headphone jack.
I am afraid that with the passing out of Steve Jobs, the real innovation at Apple died with him because we haven't seen any real innovation from Apple for maybe five years.

Samsung beat em to it! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:51 · Score: 1

The note 7s smoked themselves!

A11 Macbooks may be a thing. by Kenja · 2017-09-14 10:53 · Score: 1

Been long speculated that Apple will at some point move from Intel to their own CPUs for at least some of their mobile computer line.

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Re:A11 Macbooks may be a thing. by willy_me · 2017-09-14 11:36 · Score: 1

Take the difference between an A10 and A10X - 3332 vs 3882 or ~ 1.165. This demonstrates the speed improvement obtained with reduced thermal constraints - iPhone vs iPad. Apply this multiplier to this latest CPU to get a rough estimate of how a A11 powered laptop would perform. In single threaded benchmarks it is faster then the fastest MacBookPro - 4731 vs 4648.
Re:A11 Macbooks may be a thing. by Richard_at_work · 2017-09-14 12:16 · Score: 1

There would have to be an equivalent of Rosetta involved - and one of the main reasons Rosetta was successful during the Power-Intel shift was because Power was lagging so badly behind the Intels, so there were few performance related issues cropping up. Apple would have to also create the same disparity between their Intel offerings and any new ARM offerings and I don't think they can, just yet.
Re:A11 Macbooks may be a thing. by guacamole · 2017-09-15 00:23 · Score: 1

If the benchmark scores are not fake, then it totally makes sense to move ALL of Apple's PCs, desktops and laptops, to the Apple ARM line, not just some of them. I can guess it would make sense to keep a line of high end workstations using Intel chips for a short time just to give users and developers some transition period.
I think Apple can do it. Intel has been a joke since they released the Sandy Bridge line of processors what, in 2011? Since then their cores improved maybe 0, 5, or 10 percent between releases. Basically a stagnation. It's quiet shocking that Apple was able to match Intel desktop performance in a mobile ARM device.
Re:A11 Macbooks may be a thing. by david_thornley · 2017-09-15 10:23 · Score: 1

That would be tricky. Having similarly named systems with different CPUs worked so well for Microsoft.
Lots of people buy Apple laptops because they like the hardware, but want to be able to run either Windows or Linux, which works best with Intel and AMD processors.

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Re:A11 Macbooks may be a thing. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 11:30 · Score: 0

It would be tricky (and I personally wouldn't like it because I use VMware), but Apple has successfully made a transition like this twice before: from Motorola 68k to PowerPC, and from PowerPC to Intel.

New phone should be faster. by jellomizer · 2017-09-14 10:54 · Score: 1

Next year Samsung will have a faster phone with better specs. The year after that Apple will.
In general if you are happy with your mobile and you want to upgrade. Wait for the next model and it will be sufficiently upgraded for the times.
Feel free to feel happy about your purchase. As you have purchased a product with the features you wanted and performance you needed at the price you were willing to pay.

Just don't expect everyone to want the same thing. It is a freaking phone not a major life changing decision.

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Re:New phone should be faster. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:59 · Score: 0

Except they won't - last year's iPhone CPU still beats all the android phones on the market. Apple is about 1.5 years ahead in terms of mobile CPU speed.
Re:New phone should be faster. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:01 · Score: 0

My phone saved my life, so, um yes.
Re:New phone should be faster. by Anubis+IV · 2017-09-14 11:18 · Score: 2

No, it doesn't. Several Android handsets are ahead of the iPhone 7's scores at this point. Which I know, because I just looked them up in the interest of fact-checking myself before making the exact same claim you just made.
That said, it did take Samsung quite awhile to pass it.
Re:New phone should be faster. by Dixie_Flatline · 2017-09-15 02:58 · Score: 1

Like, 11 months.
Ultimately, this isn't really the fault of any particular Android handset maker—they have to work with what's available, and Qualcomm is effectively the only game in town. Samsung makes its own line of chips, of course, but they're not substantially better, as near as I can tell. They're better, but they're not A-series better.
What Android needs now is some other company to pick up the ARM spec and make a better chip, but there's really no margin in it. Everyone is trying to get parts as cheap as possible, so nobody's going to want to pay more for a different one. Even the 'flagship' Android phones are facing something of a race to the bottom, and it's constraining certain aspects of their performance. Samsung is really the only one with a chance here, and it doesn't surprise me that they're the only handset maker in the Android space that makes any money.
Re:New phone should be faster. by larkost · 2017-09-18 08:51 · Score: 1

You should be specific: they are ahead of the iPhone 7 on multicore tests. On single core tests the top of the Android lines (e.g. Samsung Galaxy S8 with a 1965 score) have been struggling to compete with the iPhone 6s (2302). And the newer iPhones have been racing away on those numbers: iPhone 7 is 3328 and iPhone 8 clocks in with 4195. Apple has been optimizing heavily for single core performance, as that is often what is important for most applications (followed up by energy efficiency... another place where Apple does very well).
You can argue what test should be the measure of "fastest", but for the one Apple has decided matters (and thus has thrown a lot of work at), they have a 2-year-and-growing lead.
https://browser.geekbench.com/ios-benchmarks
https://browser.geekbench.com/android-benchmarks

Pity, It's Sorta I/O Bound by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 10:55 · Score: 0

It would be great to have an ATX motherboard with this processor on it so we could check out what it can really do. As it stands it's pretty much I/O bound and just a wheel spinner.

Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smokes by JoeyRox · 2017-09-14 11:04 · Score: 5, Insightful

The most impressive aspect of Apple's ARM chips is in their single-core performance, which is arguably a more useful, real-world metric since many common tasks in apps are principally single-threaded. By that measure Apple is more than 2x faster than Samsung's S8.

Why Bionic? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:09 · Score: 0

I don't get what's bionic about it. Do you have to have the thing implanted? I read the article, and it doesn't mention it once - it just goes on about CPU perf tests.

Getting it implanted is going to be pretty much a turn-off. Or is it just a dumb marketing name?

Re:Why Bionic? by baker_tony · 2017-09-14 11:19 · Score: 1

The next one will be the A12 Superhuman.
Guess what, it's marketing speak, don't take marketing speak literally.
Re:Why Bionic? by DontBeAMoran · 2017-09-14 11:35 · Score: 1

Super Retina!!!1

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Re:Why Bionic? by mentil · 2017-09-14 11:38 · Score: 1

The phone for Ubermenschen?

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Re: Why Bionic? by saunderscc · 2017-09-14 12:44 · Score: 1

I think it may have to do with the two special machine learning cores on that particular chip.
Re:Why Bionic? by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:50 · Score: 1

Ultra Super Altivec Unit. (with Secure Enclave!!!!)
RISC!
SCSI!
(but let's not remember pokeytalk networking)

I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:18 · Score: 0

I don't give a fuck about artificial benchmarks.

There's only one benchmark that matters: using the device or software and seeing if it meets your needs.

Firefox is a great example of how artificial benchmarks can be total nonsense. Firefox fanatics will point to benchmarks like ARE WE FAST YET?, which supposedly show Firefox as being "fast".

But what happens when we actually use browsers like Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Edge? We find very different results! When I run this relevant hands-on usage benchmark, Firefox always feels the slowest to me. The UI lags and it feels like it takes longer for pages to load. I find the scrolling to be chunky. I don't have a good experience.

On the other hand, Chrome, Safari and Edge feel fast. Their UIs are responsive. Pages load and render quickly. Scrolling is nice and smooth. They're a pleasure to use.

If we listened to artificial benchmarks, then we might be led to believe that Firefox is a fast browser. But when we go to try it we can get very different results. In my experience Firefox isn't just the worst-performing out of those browsers, it feels so much slower by a huge margin.

Firefox might look good in some artificial benchmarks, but it totally fails the one and only benchmark that actually matters to me: how it works when I try it out for myself.

Re:I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks. by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:29 · Score: 1

So you are saying: screw the benchmarks. The only thing that matters is my personal anecdotes!
I agree completely that your personal experience should rule your choice of gadget to use. But since it's personal, just shut up about it.
Re:I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks. by Austerity+Empowers · 2017-09-15 01:21 · Score: 1

Except wherein my iPhone usually creams my wife's nexus on everything practical, including being able to make it 2 years without completely breaking. I used to love android, but this thing were google writes software and lets a million other people implement hardware in a million ways and use/abuse that software infinitely just isn't working. Hardware is not commodity, it really matters how things are implemented. It's not just about being cheap.
Re:I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks. by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:40 · Score: 1

Except wherein my iPhone usually creams my wife's nexus on everything practical, including being able to make it 2 years without completely breaking. I used to love android, but this thing were google writes software and lets a million other people implement hardware in a million ways and use/abuse that software infinitely just isn't working. Hardware is not commodity, it really matters how things are implemented. It's not just about being cheap.
Tru Dat!

Actual results by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · 2017-09-14 11:18 · Score: 2

Can be seen here. And here's a comparison with the Intel Core i5 2500 which is still considered a wonderful desktop CPU.

Re:Actual results by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · 2017-09-14 11:21 · Score: 2

Mind that the x86 CPU in this comparison has 95W TDP, while the Apple A11 consumes less than 5W. Now, that is real progress. Intel should be ashamed.
Re:Actual results by iotaborg · 2017-09-14 11:42 · Score: 1

That's an ancient Intel CPU, better comparison is with the i7-7Y75.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:47 · Score: 0

Can be seen here. And here's a comparison with the Intel Core i5 2500 which is still considered a wonderful desktop CPU.
you're comparing a 4 core sandy bridge cpu, made in 2011, with a 6 core processor made in 2017.
wow, totally relevant. although your point of tdp is a good one. but who actually expects a processor that is 6 years older, with 57% of the cores to be faster?
this is a good thing for apple, but try not to let your fanboyism show so much.
although i don't know the scores, a more relevant comparison would be an intel processor made this year, and possibly with the same core count.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 11:52 · Score: 0

meant 67%, sorry for the typo
Re:Actual results by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 12:52 · Score: 1

Let's run the same benchmark in a loop, on both processors, continuously, under the processor's ordinary working conditions.
I didn't know glass could melt like that.
Re:Actual results by GabeGhearing · 2017-09-14 12:55 · Score: 1

Interesting, compared to that 7W Intel CPU(i7-7Y75), the iPhone is comparable at single-thread and WAY faster at mutli-thread. https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/3994279?baseline=4004199
Re:Actual results by GabeGhearing · 2017-09-14 13:01 · Score: 1

I'd love to see what a MacBook Apple Arm would be...

Since Intel has totally dropping the ball on LPDDR4 I could actually see Apple making an ARM Macbook. Intel won't support LPDDR4 till at least 2018 with CannonLake. Without LPDDR4 making a power efficient Laptop with more than 16GB of RAM is pretty impossible.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:39 · Score: 0

Don't let that 6 core number fool you. This is a dual core, with 4 little things that are there for energy efficiency only.
Typically in a big.LITTLE CPU, the LITTLE cores are somewhere around 20 times slower than the big ones. This is borne out in the benchmark results too - the multicore score is 2.2 times the single core score - exactly what you'd expect if the little cores were 20 times slower than the big ones.
Re:Actual results by Luthair · 2017-09-14 13:40 · Score: 1

Geekbench is generally considered wildly inaccurate.
Re:Actual results by Uberbah · 2017-09-14 15:25 · Score: 1

you're comparing a 4 core sandy bridge cpu, made in 2011, with a 6 core processor made in 2017. wow, totally relevant.

Which is still comparing a goddamned desktop processor to one that fits in your pocket.

this is a good thing for apple, but try not to let your fanboyism show so much.
Or maybe you should cut back on the Hatorade, hateboi.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 16:11 · Score: 0

Because it IS wildly inaccurate. They won't even try to defend their work against any challenges.
Re:Actual results by guacamole · 2017-09-14 16:48 · Score: 3, Interesting

1. Sadly, the improvement of Intel chips since the Sandy Bridge was ridiculously slow. Barely anyone owning a Sandy Bridge i5 wanted to upgrade to a Haswel or Ivy Bridge. They all have the same single core scores, barely improving 5-10 percent year after year.
2. We're talking about single core scores. The performance of a single Apple _mobile_ core is basically comparable to that of a single desktop Intel i5 core that consumes 5 times more power. Intel should be ashamed. I think this is the result of lack of the competition in the desktop CPU market for many years until AMD Zen arrived.
Re: Actual results by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:51 · Score: 1

What the hell, then. I have some old desktop machines in my collection with 486 processors. Even 'mobile' machines (Toshiba 21xx series laptops. ) Maybe that should be a fair comparison. I think (don't know for certain) that the 486s are Intel brand.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 17:37 · Score: 0

Too bad you can't do anything really interesting with an iPhone other than play in Apple's walled garden.
Re: Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:55 · Score: 0

Any desktop processor fits in your pocket.
Re:Actual results by AmiMoJo · 2017-09-14 20:23 · Score: 1

The Core i5 2500 you compare to is six years old. It was released in 2011. So what you are saying is that the latest Apple ARM CPU mostly performs worse than a six year old, mid range desktop CPU with modern code and much faster RAM.
Even with this comparison, the ARM CPU gets trounced where it really counts: memory latency and bandwidth. That's the main limitation on phone CPUs, due to using low power RAM and memory controllers, as well as having to share some bandwidth with the GPU.

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Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 21:35 · Score: 0

Fortunately, almost no-one ever needs to.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 00:29 · Score: 0

Lol nice, +1
Re:Actual results by guacamole · 2017-09-15 00:38 · Score: 1

The Core i5 2500 you compare to is six years old. It was released in 2011.
Are you saying that the 2017 Core i5 is any faster, or the ones that are still somewhat affordable at least? Please. You test a Core i5 from 2011, and a Core i5 from 2017 and then realize that Intel made barely any progress except for that which can be attributed to shrinking the manufacturing process. Most people who built their PCs using Sandy Bridge Core i5 have not upgraded CPUs to this day, except for cases where they needed a motherboard with better support for modern peripherals.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:20 · Score: 0

Shame on intel? Can you imagine an A11 with a 32 nm (SB, 2011) process? Would you like to use an A11 the same way you use a i5 (in a full fledged computer) (vs an i5 2500 I mean)?
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:08 · Score: 0

No - Geekbench 3 was considered wildly inaccurate. Geekbench 4 has been shown to line up pretty well with real world tasks. That's mostly because it is running... real world tasks. It's using llvm to compile things, manipulating DOM, running Lua scripts etc.
Re:Actual results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:41 · Score: 0

Compare it to a current processor or GTFO slugger. Your argument was very easily mooted. Grow a pair, learn some self respect and introspection and say either:
"You're right when looking at modern chips its not that great"
OR
"Good point, but even when looking at a modern chip apple still wins."
Re: Actual results by Uberbah · 2017-09-17 09:31 · Score: 1

Okay, lets go with that. The 486 was released in '89. If an iPhone-sized phone came out in 1995 that had comparable processing power, would that not have been impressive?

How's the radio? by rsilvergun · 2017-09-14 12:01 · Score: 1

does it get me better signal? Because my $225 LG runs everything I throw at it except the Dreamcast & PS2 emulators and those don't run on Apple w/o a jail break anyway. So a faster processor on an iOS device doesn't seem like it matters much. And I can't think of any other reason to have a super fast processor on a phone. Wake me if they get OSX and all it's software running on it and it becomes a desktop replacement...

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Re: How's the radio? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:30 · Score: 0

You can run emulators on non-jailbroken iOS. You can side load with a free developer account. You do still need a Mac and Xcode, but otherwise you can side load mostly whatever you want.
Re: How's the radio? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 13:03 · Score: 0

You do still need a Mac and Xcode
You don't, I was side-loading from Windows 7 back in 2011, but it was still with commercial tools (Marmalade, among others). Considerably cheaper than buying a Mac if you've already got a Windows machine though.
Now I do just have a Mac.

Re: It is though thousands of fanboids cried out.. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:07 · Score: 0

Show of hands: who cares?

It's a smart phone. They've been good enough for years.

Re: It is though thousands of fanboids cried out.. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:19 · Score: 0

/waves tiny fists furiously

Duh! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 12:25 · Score: 0

Everyone could see it was faster. It failed in record time!

How about actual new functionality? by svendsen · 2017-09-14 12:51 · Score: 1

Maybe instead of focusing on a new chip every year they (apple, samsung, etc) could focus on, ya know, making the phone actual do something new that is actually useful and solves problems? I have an iPhone 6. If I compare it to iPhone X or Samsung S8 what is really different. And by different I mean actual valuable differences that solve real world issues vs. just saying I have the latest shiny thing?

3D touch - didn't solve any issues other than caused a lot (i.e. the technical failures)
Facial recognition - doesn't solve any problems.
Wireless charging - doesn't solve any problems (save 2 seconds at night? ya not impressed. And to use it you need to spend more money)
apple pay - didn't solve any problems (maybe save a few seconds vs pulling out a CC? ya not impressed)
better screen, battery, etc. for sure but none of that addresses any real issues.
No headphone jack – I won’t even touch this.

Sure if your phone dies or is stolen buying the latest and greatest usually makes sense. But a large population of smart phone owners will get no real benefits and will pay a lot! A lot of people I have talked to agree with this and will wait until their phone dies to upgrade.

Right now smart phones are in a real functionality rut. Doesn’t mean it won’t change next year but for now everything is pretty much a gimmick or very minor improvements. I can easily see real functionality that would be useful but Apple won’t do it because it would cannibalize their computer market. A full OS X and the phone could be plugged into a docking station and boom full computer as one example.

But I know I am not the cool target market and Apple/Samsung with continue to see a butt load of their phones.

Re:How about actual new functionality? by guacamole · 2017-09-14 16:56 · Score: 1

Indeed, we all know this argument. In fact, Apple shamelessly sold the same iPhone for three years. The 6, the 6S, the 7 were basically the same brick with minor internal tweaks. And the iPhone 8 doesn't look much different. I am seeing a whole lot of people still using phones like iPhone 5 or Samsung Galaxy S5, which makes sense since they still work fine for most uses.
I don't know what keeps this bubble going. 6 in 10 Americans don't have $500 in savings. I guess it's all those carrier installment plans or contracts that allow consumers to have the most recent smartphone for a modest monthly fee. People will buy anything with anyone credit offers.
Re:How about actual new functionality? by JaredOfEuropa · 2017-09-14 20:23 · Score: 1

I too was somewhat disappointed by the new iPhones. I have a model 6 as well, and I don't see any truly compelling reasons to upgrade. Wireless charging is nice, and the fact that it's water-resistant is very nice as well (though I've never actually dropped my phone in water). The new AR features might be nice, and I suppose Apple as usual will cripple or deny use of these features on older phones even if they could sort of pull it off performance wise. The new iPhone 8 looks like a fantastic phone, but the upgrade form the 6s is not worth €800. Even if I can still get €200-€300 for my old phone.

I suppose this might become a real problem for Apple, though that has been predicted before as well. What can they do to make us buy the newer model phones? Well, they can break the old ones... Or they can add compelling features, for example Touch ID was a game changer for me, and I was happy enough to upgrade just to get that feature (but0 I'm really not sold on Face ID).

You know what feature I would really like? Something that is relatively easy to add as well? Some more damn battery life. Add a few mm to the thickness so the phone will last through a day of heavy use. That's an upgrade I'd buy.

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Re:How about actual new functionality? by serviscope_minor · 2017-09-14 20:43 · Score: 1

wireless charging solves the problem of having those awful extra thin sockets for charging breaking.
Those things are very fragile (USB micro is worse than lightning, but lightning isn't exactly robust). Buying a wireless charger means I don't have to get my phone repaired.

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Re:How about actual new functionality? by thegarbz · 2017-09-14 21:25 · Score: 1

I think you're missing the applications.
- Wireless charging isn't about saving 2 seconds, it's about not fucking around with cables.
- Better screens have opened up a world of VR applications in the past few years.
- Apple Pay (or any pay really)... well I often don't carry my wallet around anymore.
Re:How about actual new functionality? by guacamole · 2017-09-14 21:47 · Score: 1

I think if something brings down the iPhone 6 eventually is the fact that it has only 1GB of RAM (6s went with 2GB, the only relevant change)
Re:How about actual new functionality? by Bongo · 2017-09-14 22:14 · Score: 1

A contactless card can be dropped in the street, and where I live, you can spend $50 on it. Apple Pay does solve that part of a problem.
Re:How about actual new functionality? by thegarbz · 2017-09-15 02:09 · Score: 1

A contactless card can be dropped in the street, and where I live, you can spend $50 on it.
Where I live you can spend 25eur on it, and every 5th time it asks for a PIN anyway, and if you declare the card lost or stolen you're liable for zero.
Re:How about actual new functionality? by Dixie_Flatline · 2017-09-15 03:08 · Score: 1

Without the snark of other comments, I'm wondering what problems you'd like to see solved.
I also have a 6 right now, and while the 6s, 7, 8 and X don't solve a lot of problems between generations, I think as a combination they're a reasonable upgrade. I mean, we don't ask for that sort of problem solving out of many other devices in our lives. (For the record, I kept my iPhone 4 until I got my 6; a 4-year cycle is what I've deemed to be most appropriate.)
For the upgrade you get
- a much better camera
- a faster CPU
- a more efficient CPU
- a device with a bigger screen without a bigger form factor (X only, obviously)
- a device with a more efficient screen (X only)
Those aren't insignificant upgrades. I'd argue that on the hardware side, smartphones are in general remarkably well made devices with very few problems, and most of the problems have to do with being too slow or running out of battery too soon.
But I'm honestly interested in your list: what would you like to see fixed that would be considered a major upgrade?
Re:How about actual new functionality? by OwnedByTwoCats · 2017-09-15 09:42 · Score: 1

Your iPhone 6 is what, coming up on 3 years old? Sounds like you're willing to live with a 4 or 5 year upgrade cycle. Your choice. I'm with you, pretty much.
Spare batteries can be had inexpensively and carried. I have two; they're a pain. But they can provide a charge-up when you need it.
I finally upgraded my iPhone 5 to an iPhone 7. Touch ID, water resistance, the improved camera, and bigger size made the upgrade compelling for me (even though the 5 I traded in was only a year and a half old; my original one got thick, and Apple replaced it free. Out of warranty, no AppleCare, and I walked out with a brand new phone at no cost to me but my time.)
Face ID is only on the iPhone X
Re:How about actual new functionality? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 12:19 · Score: 0

I feel pretty much the same way. Staying with my iPhone 6 for yet another year.
Though I will say Apple Pay is great because it solves the issue of privacy and vulnerability to retailer data breaches since each time, the retailer only gets a one-time-use token. They never get your card number unlike swipe transactions. I use it wherever possible, which is unfortunately not a lot of places still.
That and Touch ID were significant, compelling reasons to upgrade my iPhone 5. Nothing in the iPhone 8 is compelling like that. Everything is just incrementally better, and none of those improvements begin to touch the real gripes I still have. Not to mention the extra courage, fuck that.
The X? I won't even go there. Removal of yet another courageous feature (Touch ID) with a much clunkier replacement, stupid animated emojis, big whoop. Even the camera improvements are stupid since you can't squeeze much more image quality out of such a small sensor and lens. It's impressive for sure, kind of like someone competing in the Tour de France on a tricycle, but stupid. I get so much better images on my mid-range DSLR with decent glass. Phones are for convenient snapshots only.
Re:How about actual new functionality? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 12:24 · Score: 0

With inductive charging, you're still tied to a single location which is dictated by where there's a cable (from the wall to the charging pad). It's basically the same fucking thing. As even fanboy John Gruber said, it's not really wireless. Not like wifi or bluetooth, which actually removes a tether and allows you full freedom of movement. Here, you're still tethered. You just save 2 seconds plugging in. Big whoop.
Worse, those charging pads won't be cheap. I have multiple cables in my house, my car, at work... Any place where I'd like to plug in. How many of those stupid pads are you really going to buy? Or are you going to have just one, leaving cables everywhere else? Nothing is solved here.
And finally, I can't imagine using the phone while it's charging on one of these things. Awkward at best, impossible at worst. It's easy to use one normally when plugged in.
Inductive charging is just pointless.
Re:How about actual new functionality? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 12:34 · Score: 0

Not OP, but basically all of the problems I have with my iPhone 6 are software based. Siri is a steaming pile of crap (but it sets reminders really well). Data transfer between apps is still crap. Notification Center is a horror show. CarPlay still doesn't allow 3rd party navigation apps. The Music app has gotten worse with every new version; now it royally sucks if you don't want stupid Apple Music streaming.
The iPhone 6 had two significant, compelling hardware improvements over the iPhone 5 I had before it: Touch ID and Apple Pay. Both extremely useful and changed the way I use the device.
The iPhone 8, three generations past my 6, has nothing like that. Incremental improvements (CPU, memory, storage, screen, camera), useless gimmicks (3D Touch, inductive charging), and the removal of the headphone jack. Boring and completely not compelling.
If my 6 dies, I'll get an 8. Otherwise, Apple can suck it.

Still... by dbialac · 2017-09-14 13:31 · Score: 1

Android still has a better headphone jack. As does what's left of Windows Phone.

Can't we just be amazed at this tech? by MyDixieWrecked · 2017-09-14 13:31 · Score: 5, Insightful

I see a lot of comments on here calling these benchmarks artificial and fake or whatever, but can we take a moment to think about the power of these devices that we have in our pockets? They're pushing more pixels and flopping more teras than our top of the line gaming pcs were 10 years ago. And they fit in our pockets. Couple this with the fact that these devices are getting faster and smaller and battery life is still improving generation over generation.

Slashdot has always been a tinkerer's haven and relatively anti-apple, but their year over year feat of pushing the envelope is impressive. Honestly, all the competition really needs to get the lead out. There's more engineers not at apple than at apple and they're sitting on ass.

So stop blaming Apple for taking the talent or improving on what's there. And stop treating this shit like some religious war. You don't need to bash something to make yourself feel better about what tech you use. Different people value different things. Chill the fuck out and be happy you're around for all this amazing tech, from Samsung, huawei, apple, and the future underdogs that wil become the next number one. Shit is only gonna get better, maybe you can be a part of it. Do your best work and make the world a better place.

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Re:Can't we just be amazed at this tech? by trawg · 2017-09-14 20:33 · Score: 1

Yup. I realised after seeing the iPhone X specs that its screen resolution is better than that of my 23" desktop monitor. It is amazing how far these things have come.
Re:Can't we just be amazed at this tech? by houghi · 2017-09-15 02:00 · Score: 1

If the benchmarks are fake, then there is nothing to be in awe of.
You can be in awe of my invisibility cloak, but unless I give proof, it is just people ignore me when I pull it over my head.
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Re:Can't we just be amazed at this tech? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:38 · Score: 0

Sadly, what we see here is the consistency with most article responses, anywhere and for any topic.
I.e., it's mostly negative, and critical of any difference to the norm. It doesn't matter the topic, company or announcement.
You could call it manufactured outrage, but I see it as a negative feedback loop in our modern media environment.
- It just happens to be the majority 'though-stream' being pushed into the front, by others.
/. used to be fairly immune to this type of thing, but we both know how that went.
Re:Can't we just be amazed at this tech? by Dixie_Flatline · 2017-09-15 03:09 · Score: 1

All benchmarks are a proxy. They're not fake, they're just not fully representative. The A-series chips are faster than last year's A-series chips, and they're faster than Qualcomm's chips. Qualcomm's chips from this year are faster than they were last year. These things aren't fake.

Is this supposed to be a surprise? by Ada_Rules · 2017-09-14 13:55 · Score: 1

Wow. So this thing that is just about to be available for purchase in a few weeks is faster than the things that are already out on the market for months.. Incredible. Note it is also faster than all of the existing Apple phones too so I guess those are also all crap now.

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Re:Is this supposed to be a surprise? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 16:16 · Score: 0

Yes, all the existing Apple phones are crap now.
Re: Is this supposed to be a surprise? by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 17:05 · Score: 1

Even the 8 caught some shade on Tuesday, at it's own introduction event. It was an Osborne moment.
Re: Is this supposed to be a surprise? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:57 · Score: 0

But then they were crap before too.

Attached to an overpriced phone. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:13 · Score: 0

It may be the best mobile CPU, but there is no way I'm playing $700 to $1,000 for the privilege of using it. There is no phone-related task I do that can't be accomplished with a $130 Moto E4. Or even a $50 Blu phone.

Re:Attached to an overpriced phone. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 02:20 · Score: 0

If you want an iPhone with similar specs to a Moto E4, then you need to start looking at the iPhone 5 or 5S (the E4 is roughly in the middle between the two). Those are available for a mere $70-$100.
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Dalvik == java interpreter, parent should be -2 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:23 · Score: 2, Insightful

It's possible to compile objective c as android ndk (native apk) same as C/C++, but usually most coders wind up depending on many system java functions anyway because android is inherently a java-based OS upon a Linux kernel

Re:Dalvik == java interpreter, parent should be -2 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:06 · Score: 0

You are a bit out of date, current Android no longer uses Dalvik. The runtime generates native code during installation, so no more interpreter overhead during runtime.

Absolute control is where it smokes by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:24 · Score: 0

Actually since Apple has complete control of the entire environment (from SW to app store), they could shift things over to a multicore friendly environment easily.

They already has demonstrated with their move from PowerPC to x86 what absolute control can do. Just because x86 and Android can't do it means they can't.

I'm amazed at one thing by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:26 · Score: 0

I'm amazed at the fact that people drool over proprietary computing systems; these mobile computers are crippled arbitrarily, forbidden from being programmed per the wishes of the supposed owner. Then again, maybe the correct way to view this situation is that the real owner is Apple; either way, it's amazing that people put up with this abusive relationship.

Re: I'm amazed at one thing by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 17:02 · Score: 1

To counter the grandparent commenter's sentiment, perhaps it is not such a good thing for Apple to be sucking so much of the mindshare into a propritary black hole. They ARE sucking a lot of the oxygen out of the room. Android is very farvfrom perfect but it is MUCH more open. The Android tech bounces around between a lot of companies. Apple's stuff is behind a steel door.
Re:I'm amazed at one thing by jeremyp · 2017-09-15 02:06 · Score: 1

Nobody in the real world gives a toss about open versus closed. They want cool and shiny. Some even see the walled garden as an advantage. You want an app for your iPhone. There's only one place you need to go to find it. Most people can't program a dishwasher. Why would they care that they can't program an iPhone thew way they want?

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Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:33 · Score: 0

Amen. Honestly, I feel as though we're at a point of diminishing returns on these sorts of metrics for cell phones. My phone is plenty fast at anything I throw at it. The metric I really care about now is efficiency; I *know* my phone can do things fast, but how effectively can it be both performant and efficient in power usage? I genuinely debated on picking up a Moto Z Play running a Snapdragon 625 over a flagship simply for the battery life.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 14:41 · Score: 0

I'll take security over speed, screw google

Then don't fucking by one by Uberbah · 2017-09-14 15:18 · Score: 1

Do you pontificate that a dualie 3500 class pickup is an "overpriced vehicle" because you can get buy with your Honda Civic? Buy the device you want at the price you are willing to pay - anything else is wankery.

Re: Then don't fucking by one by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 17:12 · Score: 1

I always look at dualies with the big rearend and think of a fatassed woman in a big skirt. Be careful, because it's a contagious thought. Similar to when you think a bit about Dodge 'Ram' and consider what purpose a farmer has in keeping an actual ram. You'll find yourself calling that ugly chromefront monster pickup in traffic a sheepfucker.
Re:Then don't fucking by one by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:34 · Score: 0

There's a cult around that says you should buy a $45,000 pickup where are $15,000 econobox will work just fine.
That cult is the equivalent of Apple fans.

Which Real World Problem you want it to solve? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 15:21 · Score: 0

> ... If I compare it to iPhone X or Samsung S8 what is really different. And by different I mean actual valuable differences that solve real world issues vs. just saying I have the latest shiny thing?

How about solving the North Korean problem?

Or the American economic problem?

Or the world wide human population explosion problem?

Or problems of religious fanatics?

Re: Which Real World Problem you want it to solve? by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:56 · Score: 1

It is possible that the North Korean problem will solve Apple's Samsung problem for them. But God help us, let's hope not.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:09 · Score: 0

Are you a medical doctor? Because my insurance hasn't paid you for a diagnosis.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by that+this+is+not+und · 2017-09-14 16:10 · Score: 1

Percieved security over measurable speed.

Well, chase after what you wish for.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by rat_herder · 2017-09-14 16:19 · Score: 0

Why not have both. Anyone paying attention knows that iOS is much more secure than android. Also anyone paying attention knows that Apples mobile CPU's have been 6-12 months ahead for many years now. Slashdot is supposed to be a geek forum but man the anti-Apple thing is out of control in here.

I stopped caring about scores past by guacamole · 2017-09-14 16:39 · Score: 4, Insightful

I stopped caring about scores past when iPhone 5s or Snapdragon 800+ android phones hit the market. There is plenty of performance there to do any task that +95 percent of users need on their phone. 99% of the time, your smartphone is still just a fancy messenger and a web browser (because most mobile apps are just a wrapper around a web site).

It's of course nice that Apple gives you so much performance, but these days Chinaphones that cost under 250USD and carry the specs that are sufficient for most uses out there are just too seductive for a lot of people

Re:I stopped caring about scores past by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 21:45 · Score: 0

Sure, as long as the specs you care about include "being open to exploitation". We all know that Android's security is pitiful and the 5s is the only iPhone to which the Secure Enclave's firmware signing key has been disclosed.
Re:I stopped caring about scores past by Dixie_Flatline · 2017-09-15 03:12 · Score: 1

I'd agree if it weren't for the absurd state of the web. Some of these pages are just murder, even with an adblocker enabled. :/
Re:I stopped caring about scores past by DNS-and-BIND · 2017-09-15 04:25 · Score: 1

That sounds great, but the reality is that developers will always eat performance increases so that they can deploy ever-shittier code. Thus you need the cutting-edge processor just to keep up. You think they're going to optimize? 12 weeks in code bootcamp doesn't give you any kind of foundation to do anything other than create barely-working garbage code. Leaving aside that developers don't develop on phones, they develop on PC-based emulators.

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Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 17:55 · Score: 0

But apple is not the kind of cancer in the tech industry i feel like rewarding with my money. So cry all the tears you want about anti-apple and go to one of your safe places.

How does this impact user experience? by LostMyBeaver · 2017-09-14 18:31 · Score: 1

I haven't seen any case on any phones lately where performance has been an issue. I think by this point in time, I'm walking around with (an iPhone 6S Plus) and I would imagine that by now, it's quite slow. I of course can't tell. In fact, when I upgraded from the iPhone 5S I didn't see any difference in performance. I don't know whether I have 3D touch... I do know that I can tap the screen and watch movies, play games and do work.... oh and phone calls are reasonably good these days.

I have a Samsung Android phone which cost me about $75 at T-Mobile in the US while I was there that I use for internet connectivity. I think the battery life isn't very good and I think that it's a bit slower than my iPhone 6S Plus. But I was able to listen to audio books and play some driving games on it while providing internet to my kids. I would say it was pretty good.

What was the actual advantage of having a better CPU this time around?

I am considering switching to Android once Apple stops selling iPhone 6S Plus. I'll try to get something which has a good headphone jack. Unfortunately, I don't know of any Android providers which have a reasonable infrastructure for supporting their phones. I don't like using corner "Replace your screen for $99 using parts from ebay" kind of places. HTC, Samsung and Sony have no presence here.

Re:How does this impact user experience? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 19:35 · Score: 0

Battery life.

wow by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 18:53 · Score: 0

So many Salty Sammys and Droids around here .. hilarious.

(The future belongs to Apple. Get over it.)

Re:wow by polyp2000 · 2017-09-14 19:13 · Score: 1

The funny thing is there that your statement acknowledges that Android has the greater market share.
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp...
The graph shows that Apples iOS is actually in decline. Get over that!

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Poor word choice by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 19:10 · Score: 0

Smoking and phones: didn't work out for some manufacturers.

Re:Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smo by AmiMoJo · 2017-09-14 20:11 · Score: 1

Single core performance on a phone isn't very useful... What really affects performance is available RAM and flash memory speed. The iPhone X only has 3GB of RAM, kinda low for a flagship from a couple of years ago. Flash memory performance (with encryption enabled) seems competitive though.

The UI is the other thing that massively effects performance. iOS and it's one-button/no-button design is rather slow.

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Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 21:10 · Score: 0

For anyone paying attention, Apple is famous for selling overpriced gear. Also, for anyone paying attention, Apple is the go to brand for people wanting a status statement instead of just a computer or a phone. Also, if anyone have been paying attention, people with no clue about computers tend to prefer Apple products. There you go some justification for the supposed hate you see... if you are paying attention.

Re:Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smo by thegarbz · 2017-09-14 21:21 · Score: 1

real-world metric

Speaking of real-world I'm still trying to figure out if my Galaxy S7 is actually faster than my S5. I mean they seem about the same in my world. Mind you I don't spend much time diving the 3D web, playing FPS games, mining bitcoins, or doing any of that other stuff on my phone either.

Actually I'd be far more interested seeing this chip in a different device. I wonder how it would perform in a little pocket computer with a full OS.

Re:Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smo by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 21:33 · Score: 0

Snort, Android needs much more (battery draining) RAM than iOS does.
For starters, Android is less efficient (in process sizes) than iOS's due to Android's Java based architecture.
Secondly, iOS's process management is much better than Android's. iOS has better reclamation of inactive tasks and a more efficient framework for background tasks than Android's multiple implementations so having dozens of "running" tasks on iOS doesn't slow everything down the way it does on Android
Lastly, iOS doesn't slow down the way Android does for each added app one installs.

Oh it is true that _available_ RAM is important, it's just that real-world RAM on Android is much scarcer than those touting "My Android phone has TWICE the RAM that iPhone X has!" are lying through omission.

It's part of the reason why the Android benchmarks that bait people into expecting iOS equivalent or better performance from their phones end up wondering why they do at first and then slooowww dooowwwwnnnn as they actually use them & why iPhones generally have longer longevity.

Your claim that iOS' "one/no button design" somehow slows it down is much too ridiculous to even address.

Apple Is Awesome!!! (Ignore science!!!) by gavron · 2017-09-14 22:40 · Score: 1

That's so great! A closed-source product will outperform an open-source one and the reviewer is so so smart he can limit it to one chip.
WITH ZERO EVIDENCE.
WITH ZERO DOCUMENTATION.
I mean yes one is faster than the other overall in specific tasks... but nothing in the way of science.

Wow. That is one smart reviewer. Not. Or maybe supersmart and paid by Apple.

No credible science based reviewer would dare risk his reputation by making such an absurd proof-free claim.
Unless Apple paid for it.

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It is a phone.. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 22:41 · Score: 0

I just don't care.

iPhoneX by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-14 22:45 · Score: 0

Why is it called X rather than, say, X8? The next generation would be 9, 9Plus, and X9.

That's wonderful by DrXym · 2017-09-14 22:58 · Score: 2

So if I drop a stupid amount of money on a phone it can be one which packs a CPU way in excess of anything required of it. Great.

Specs by ledow · 2017-09-14 23:10 · Score: 1

I stopped caring about the specs on my personal devices (including PCs) years ago. Maybe even a decade.

Screen res / megapixels? Don't really care, I watch SD movies with the screen inches from my face, and I only see MPEG artifacts, not resolution deficiencies.

RAM? Don't really care unless things start dropping out of RAM (if that's visible as crashes / particular slowness only, really).

Cores? Can't say I sit and count them. I know multicore performs better than single-core generally as it's not trying to schedule everything at the same time but beyond that I don't see differences between a 6-core and 12-core unless I'm doing a mass-compile with the full make -j12 options, etc.

Processor speed? To be honest, it's stagnated anyway, and my work machine (running an IT department) is... hold on, because I literally never know... E7500 @ 3GHz. This machine is YEARS old (the chip is 2009).

I get "lumbered" with it because all the new stuff goes out to users because a) IT can manage their machines themselves, b) IT understand when they are hitting limits and can compensate or move the work elsewhere, c) IT should use the lowest denominator so that they have the worst user experience, because then you know EVERY other user has a better experience (it makes you optimise the system and immediately quells the "but you have a super machine, so of course it works for you" stuff). 1.5-2GHz machines are perfectly acceptable, still, however, especially on a mobile device. I do nothing that that chip is required for.

Storage, ports, those I notice. But specs? I couldn't even tell you what my current machines have got. When I buy machines, I set a minimum that can run our software comfortably, but even the basic models ALWAYS exceed our specifications.

Re:Specs by Mass+Overkiller · 2017-09-15 00:51 · Score: 1

Good points. I stopped caring about CPU performance years ago. I care about drive space more than RAM or GHz. I run my music studio on my Macbook Pro. Have no issues with dropouts or performance. When Apple makes a laptop "cage" that accepts an iPhone in place of the trackpad then I'll buy that too.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by Cederic · 2017-09-14 23:41 · Score: 1

anyone paying attention knows that Apples mobile CPU's have been 6-12 months ahead for many years now

I'm not sure I agree with that, although Apple do release a new phone with 'next generation' internals, and often buy a monopoly on the production run.

The reality though is that Apple software designers focus on user perception of performance, and that supplements the underlying hardware to make a material difference in how users think a device performs.

Anyone paying attention knows that iOS is much more secure than android.

So all those people jailbreaking their iPhones weren't using root exploits?

Not to mention the relative ease of securing a very constrained number of devices with a very constrained environment and a very constrained and controlled driver base?

the anti-Apple thing is out of control in here

Probably because people on here look beyond the shiny marketing and explore things in more depth, and despise shallow shits that tell people how innovative Apple, or refuse to accept any criticism of their great god Jobs.

Re:Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smo by guacamole · 2017-09-15 00:13 · Score: 2

I gotta say, this was a truly uninformed comment. For one, Apple devices use memory far more efficiently than Android. Let's not start again the discussion about all the pros and cons of Java applications, but the truth is that Java runs slower and devours more memory than native built apps. An apple device with 2GB of RAM can perform just as fine as an Android phone with 4GB. On the other hand, an Android phone with only 2GB of RAM can barely multitask. True story.

Re:Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smo by guacamole · 2017-09-15 00:30 · Score: 2

And PS: you're dead wrong to say that single-core performance is not that important. It's probably still the MOST IMPORTANT metric. That's because there are whole lot of algorithms that inherently are impossible to run in parallel. Moreover, even if your algorithm can be parallelized, there is a limit to how much multiple cores can be useful. To find out, look up the concept of Amdahl's law on wikipedia. This is why for the past decade or so, four core Intel chips smoked AMD's eight core chips, and Intel's two core chips smoked AMD's four core chips. Simply, AMD had poor single core performance, and throwing there more cores wouldn't help.

Re:Forget multi-core - single-core is where it smo by guacamole · 2017-09-15 00:33 · Score: 1

Seems like you are one of those people who has not bought into the hype. Indeed, the Galaxy S5 is still a fine device for 99 percent of uses, even though three years old.

LOL benchmarks by p51d007 · 2017-09-15 00:54 · Score: 1

Benchmarks, the last bastion of stupidity. It's like buying a 100,000 sports car, and ONLY driving it within the city limits, with a speed limit of 35mph. The last few years, except for battery saving features, are FAST ENOUGH for what people use them for. Good lord, it's not like people are trying to do quantum physics equations, or solving for Pi. How much processing power is needed for snapchat, youtube, facebook, instagram? Faster and faster processors, the makers tout benchmarks because people are STUPID. Manufacturers stopped innovating, and now just go with more is better. More megapixels, more processing power, more cameras, more colors. Why not? Consumers still eat that garbage up! Benchmarks....nothing more than small kids saying my dog is better than your dog.

Hmm by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:12 · Score: 0

Well, it's fast, but it's also horribly expensive. So, pick your poison.

Bionic? by Chris+Mattern · 2017-09-15 01:39 · Score: 1

I guess they made it better, stronger, faster. They have the technology.

Lies, Damned Lies, by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:46 · Score: 0

and benchmarks.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmarks by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 01:47 · Score: 0

Pro bono. You're welcome slugger.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by cayenne8 · 2017-09-15 02:11 · Score: 2

For anyone paying attention, Apple is famous for selling overpriced gear

Well, they seem to have a good idea of the maximum $$ they can sell their products for, and that, after all, is the main reason for a business, right?

And, its not like a person can go out and build their own phones from parts from NewEgg, right?

Apple is the go to brand for people wanting a status statement instead of just a computer or a phone

I dunno about that....phones (even smart phones) these days are pretty much a commodity possession, they really aren't a fashion or status symbol or statement. Nobody really notices what phone or computer someone is using....unless they are wanting to steal it.

Also, if anyone have been paying attention, people with no clue about computers tend to prefer Apple products.

You did hit the nail on the head with the one.....and that actually is a positive I think, apparently Apple knows how to make user friendly products for the masses that aren't tech inclined as their primary interest.

I say use the right tool for the job....I work mostly with Linux and OS X at home. I do like OS X in that for common uses, it is easy to use with the GUI, but when I want to, it is easy to pull up a command line and do some real Unix style work.

It is for everyone? No...

But obviously the company is doing something right. And if you can't afford their products, nothing wrong with getting something similar somewhere else.

Not everyone can drive a Porsche either, right?

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Doesn't matter... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 04:35 · Score: 0

too bad.

the rest of the phone isn't innovative. keep making tech that keeps reducing your market share apple!

So what? Samsung also by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 04:36 · Score: 0

smoked Android.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:04 · Score: 1

Why not have both. Anyone paying attention knows that iOS is much more secure than android. Also anyone paying attention knows that Apples mobile CPU's have been 6-12 months ahead for many years now.

Slashdot is supposed to be a geek forum but man the anti-Apple thing is out of control in here.

And now watch the parade of Apple-Hating ANONYMOUS COWARDS, "refuting" your claim, LOL!

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:05 · Score: 1

But apple is not the kind of cancer in the tech industry i feel like rewarding with my money. So cry all the tears you want about anti-apple and go to one of your safe places.

Google is a Cancer. Apple is the cure...

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:12 · Score: 1

For anyone paying attention, Apple is famous for selling overpriced gear. Also, for anyone paying attention, Apple is the go to brand for people wanting a status statement instead of just a computer or a phone. Also, if anyone have been paying attention, people with no clue about computers tend to prefer Apple products. There you go some justification for the supposed hate you see... if you are paying attention.

Funny. Many, many, many Developers use Apple computers (and likely their mobile devices, too). Even St. Linus used/uses a MacBook Air:

https://www.cultofmac.com/1628...

So, I guess Linus Fucking Torvalds has "no clue about computers", too, eh?

And I have conversed with a number of 3 and 4 digit UIDs here on Slashdot that use and prefer Macs. Oh, and I have decades of experience as an embedded Developer, and have used Macs for Development, even way back in the day, when it was REALLY hard to find a decent toolchain that ran on Macs.

So, in short: You have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about, fucktard; so STFU and GTFO...

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by TheFakeTimCook · 2017-09-15 05:39 · Score: 1

I'm not sure I agree with that, although Apple do release a new phone with 'next generation' internals, and often buy a monopoly on the production run.

You are an idiot.

Apple doesn't "buy a monopoly on a production-run." That would imply that they are buying commodity SoCs, like the Qualcomm stuff, which they are NOT. They design their own SoCs from the ground-up (including the GPU subsystem), and then contract with a Fab-House, like TSMC or Samsung, to handle the chip production. That is VERY different from what you stated.

The reality though is that Apple software designers focus on user perception of performance, and that supplements the underlying hardware to make a material difference in how users think a device performs.

There is no "perception of performance" that affects benchmarks; nor that allows for the glassy-smooth tracking and animation in ARKit.

So all those people jailbreaking their iPhones weren't using root exploits?

Not to mention the relative ease of securing a very constrained number of devices with a very constrained environment and a very constrained and controlled driver base?

Wow! You Haters are like a dog with a bone! HOW long ago was that Jailbreak-Exploit thing?

And your excuse about "constrained this, and constrained that" sounds JUST like the Windows fanbois trying to explain-away bad Security on that platform, too!

Probably because people on here look beyond the shiny marketing and explore things in more depth, and despise shallow shits that tell people how innovative Apple, or refuse to accept any criticism of their great god Jobs.

Wrong.

The definition of "shallow" is someone who sees a brand-name on a product and REFLEXIVELY dismisses it, without applying the first little bit of examination or critical thinking.

Even I praise some things in Windows (don't know enough about Linux to comment, so I DON'T), and if Android wasn't such a dumpster-fire from top to bottom, I would probably find some things to like in it, too.

But to just REFLEXIVELY disregard an entire company and all of its software and hardware products, especially one with such insanely-high customer-satisfaction ratings and insanely-high sales, year after year, shows nothing but a nearly unbelievable lack of insight, masking itself, as it often does, as transparently childish hubris.

Good hardware... by iampiti · 2017-09-15 05:52 · Score: 1

...but I don't like the associated OS and business practices of Apple so it's a pass.
If that CPU was on a phone running Android it'd be a plus to select that phone, if it's only on an iPhone...

Article has it backwards by naris · 2017-09-15 05:54 · Score: 1

The A11 has 2 High performance cores and 4 Low Performance/High Efficiency cores.

Apple Presentation Screen
Specs for iPhone X

No Thank You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:01 · Score: 0

Communist Chinese Apple X stealing your face and finger biometrics, no thank you.

I'll keep my 1st and 5th Amendment Rights and my passwords.

The Police State of China can wait a while longer...

Buy American !
or at least South Korean !!

For your coworker by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:04 · Score: 0

Upgrade your coworker's spell checker & tell them to learn how to write.

Then you don't to waste your time fixing their mistakes.

Self-Serving by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:19 · Score: 0

For years the Apple marketing message was, "It Just Works."

And that was a pretty powerful message, especially when they put MacOS/OSX against Windows 3, Windows 95, or Windows Vista. There was a truth there. Yes, I know that the desktop isn't the same as mobile, but the comparison is relevant.

However Apple doesn't have the same easy wins on the functionality front anymore. The competitors are matching or beating Apple pretty regularly now.

Against this backdrop, suddenly geeking out on CPU performance specification seems like a deliberate shift in the conversation. Apple cannot claim supremacy in functionality and integration anymore so they focus on narrow technical wins. It's not that the story is 'fake news', it's that Apple needs a new marketing message. They've found one but it runs counter to the old marketing message.

So I appreciate the work invested to get a better CPU. What I'm left scratching my head over though, is how does this matter? Does the faster CPU make 'It Just Works' better? Just because Apple has abandoned the old slogan doesn't mean the customers have to, or I have to. In fact customer expectations are slow to change and are much more important than the current fiscal quarter's marketing campaign.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 06:37 · Score: 0

Actually, if you look at history, i OS is NOT more secure. They just sweep it under the rug better due to the restrictions.

Remember the compromised SDK that saw thousands of apps on the store? Remember when Security researchers admitted to getting thousands of downloads as a proof of concept? Did you remember the apps that snuck missing features (like tethering) intobflashlight apps that were only banned because the secret method of activating it got out?

You'll notice a recurring theme: once a app makes it on to the app store, nobody knows what the hell it's doing. The only method of finding out is either: the person tells people about it OR it's a widely used piece of software outside the store (so people can analyze it)

The review process blocks nothing in terms of malware, and all the restrictions don't allow for mass scanning by researchers.

So prove to me right now that you can guarantee that you're phone is malware free?

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 07:05 · Score: 0

Sure the whole world on imacos. Yup. Dont be so stupid. If apple disappeared tomorrow not a single essential service would be disturbed. So much hate and bullshit you spew.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmark by Cederic · 2017-09-15 07:13 · Score: 1

You are an idiot.

Apple doesn't "buy a monopoly on a production-run.

Ok, track down this Quora user and tell them they're wrong then:
https://www.quora.com/What-wou...

There is no "perception of performance" that affects benchmarks

Benchmarks are full of shit. Perception is everything.

glassy-smooth tracking and animation

See, even you fucking agree.

Wow! You Haters

I don't hate Apple. I hate cockwombles that are so fucking blinkered that they can't stand any criticism of Apple.

HOW long ago was that Jailbreak-Exploit thing?

See, you can't defend this one so you try and deflect away from it. You could have admitted that yes, earlier versions of iOS were wide fucking open.

And your excuse about "constrained this, and constrained that" sounds JUST like the Windows fanbois trying to explain-away bad Security on that platform, too!

Wait? I'm arguing with someone that uses the term 'fanbois'? I'd get more erudite responses from a used tampon.

However, since you made that comment: Even Microsoft fans can be right from time to time.

Wrong.

Really? You do realise you're your very own counter-example? I highlight some evident truths and you go onto some ranting bollocks that makes a fuckload of assumptions, including my views on Apple and their latest iPhones.

a nearly unbelievable lack of insight

Your inability to miss the insights I'm offering doesn't meant that they're not there.

But to just REFLEXIVELY disregard an entire company and all of its software and hardware products, especially one with such insanely-high customer-satisfaction ratings and insanely-high sales, year after year, shows

..that I don't like their business practices, their business model, the locked down environment they demand people accept, the ludicrous profit margin they make on their devices or the marketing they use to dupe consumers into thinking they're cool.

Then again, I don't disregard them. I just don't buy them and instead mock people like you that think they're a gift from god. Fucking expensive gift.

Re: I don't give a fuck about artifical benchmar by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 07:51 · Score: 0

My firewall says my phone is malware free. I see every bit going in and out of my network.

Wattage by Anonymous Coward · 2017-09-15 08:15 · Score: 0

Out of curiosity what's the wattage on the a11 when maxed out? Did apple manage to keep it relatively low given the performance? If so, kudos to their engineering team.

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