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Intel Officially Reveals Post-8th Generation Core Architecture Code Name: Ice Lake, Built On 10nm+ (anandtech.com)
Intel has confirmed the existence of a new processor family called Ice Lake that will be made on Intel's 10nm+ process. The company published basic information on the Ice Lake architecture on their codename decoder. AnandTech reports: This is an unexpected development as the company has yet to formally detail (let alone launch) the first 10nm Core architecture -- Cannon Lake -- and it's rare these days for Intel to talk more than a generation ahead in CPU architectures. Equally as interesting is the fact that Intel is calling Ice Lake the successor to their upcoming 8th generation Coffee Lake processors, which codename bingo aside, throws some confusion on where the 14nm Coffee Lake and 10nm Cannon Lake will eventually stand. As a refresher, the last few generations of Core have been Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Broadwell, Haswell, Skylake, with Kaby Lake being the latest and was recently released at the top of the year. Kaby Lake is Intel's third Core product produced using a 14nm lithography process, specifically the second-generation '14 PLUS' (or 14+) version of Intel's 14nm process.
Working purely on lithographic nomenclature, Intel has three processes on 14nm: 14, 14+, and 14++. As shown to everyone at Intel's Technology Manufacturing Day a couple of months ago, these will be followed by a trio of 10nm processes: 10nm, 10nm+ (10+), and 10++. On the desktop, Core processors will go from 14 to 14+ to 14++, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake. On the Laptop side, this goes from 14 to 14+ to 14++/10, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake like the desktops, but also that at some time during the Coffee Lake generation, Cannon Lake will also be launched for laptops. The next node for both after this is 10+, which will be helmed by the Ice Lake architecture.
Working purely on lithographic nomenclature, Intel has three processes on 14nm: 14, 14+, and 14++. As shown to everyone at Intel's Technology Manufacturing Day a couple of months ago, these will be followed by a trio of 10nm processes: 10nm, 10nm+ (10+), and 10++. On the desktop, Core processors will go from 14 to 14+ to 14++, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake. On the Laptop side, this goes from 14 to 14+ to 14++/10, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake like the desktops, but also that at some time during the Coffee Lake generation, Cannon Lake will also be launched for laptops. The next node for both after this is 10+, which will be helmed by the Ice Lake architecture.
Coffee Lake is looking like a loser vs Ryzen only thing it's holding its own is single thread performance
Not surprising that Intel would try to shift the focus to things that don't exist yet.
..because winter is coming.. err.. here?
vos nescitis quicquam, nec cogitatis quia expedit nobis ut unus moriatur homo pro populo et non tota gens pereat.
Coffee Lake? Ice Lake?
What's next? Iced Coffee Lake?
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Since it's the 8th-generation, "Octium" would be fitting. There was even a Lone Gunmen episode about it...
That's all I want to know. Every time I've asked, I get told "Don't bother."
They go to 11.
Intel has two "problem" architectures - Broadwell and Cannonlake. Both suffer from debuting on a new and untested process. Broadwell took forever and a day to make it out of the mobile sector, eventually finding its way into Xeon-D, Xeon, and HEDT products as well (not counting the mostly-unsupported and barely-mentioned Broadwell-C and Broadwell-R processors). Skylake and Kabylake were basically on the same process with uarch tweaks. Okay, Kabylake is on 14nm+ but whatever.
If you will recall, delays in the 14nm process caused Intel to re-release Haswell as Devil's Canyon, otherwise known as the i7-4790k and i5-4690k processors or "Haswell Refresh".
Intel is experiencing delays with 10nm and Cannonlake which is meant to be its debut architecture. They are using Coffeelake as a "Kabylake Refresh" since it uses the same core architecture as Kaby (and Skylake; in fact, both Kabylake and Coffeelake are Skylake refreshes). It uses a respun version of 14nm+ - 14nm++ or whatever you want to call it - and it features up to two more cores than what you can get with Kabylake.
So Cannonlake is only a definite go for mobile whenever Intel is finally ready to start selling 10nm CPUs. That could be a bit.
We may eventually see Xeon-D products, Xeon products, and HEDT products based on Cannonlake. On the desktop, we should not expect Cannonlake at all, not even a successor to the controversial Broadwell-C. So just as most Intel buyers made the jump from Haswell to Skylake, now we're going to make the jump from Skylake/Kabylake/Coffeelake to Icelake. They skipped Broadwell on the desktop (mostly), and now they're skipping Cannonlake.
The other thing that's really confusing is that Intel hasn't actually released a new uarch in awhile. Their last "new" uarch was Skylake. Skylake-X - the HEDT/server version of Skylake - is nothing but Skylake with bolt-on AVX512 functionality and a rejiggered cache configuration to make it more competitive in certain server workloads (as a consequence, Skylake-X is slower in games at any given clockspeed than Skylake/Kabylake at the same clock). All signs point to Coffeelake being planned all along as a die-shrink of Skylake to 10nm. So Skylake, Kabylake, Coffeelake, and (probably) Coffeelake ARE ALL ACTUALLY THE SAME UARCH. Weird huh?
Icelake will be the first "new" uarch Intel will have released since the debut of Skylake.
Translation of the whole thing comes down to: "We are officially a little scared by what AMD is able to do right now, so we are going to lay out our future plans to kick butt."
When someone else starts to eat your lunch, announce vaporware. That old dodge still works.
It's quite clear that none of Intel's offerings can compete with what AMD has just released which leaves Intel playing the game it knows best: deceit. This display is merely a ploy to save face by talking about a theoretical processor they may make. I have no doubt that Intel is up to it's old anti-competitive tricks again and paying off companies to not sell computers with AMD chips and such. My only hope is that this time around they get their asses handed to them.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Could someone explain (or point to an explanation of) the significance of the "+" and "++" in the nomenclature?
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So they are modifying "tick tock"; each new lithographic node gets three iterations instead of two. That's reasonable; achieving new nodes is getting more difficult so they will recoup the cost over more iterations. Seems like a sound strategy; much better than some of the baffling nonsense that Intel has come up with recently.
If you're an Intel die-hard the best play right now is to wait; it's going to take a loss of market share for Intel to really get the message and stop playing games with the features and capabilities (being stingy with PCIe lanes, etc.) of their enthusiast parts. After AMD takes a bite out of them they'll figure out that they don't have the luxury of playing those games any longer.
Yay capitalism.
Op doesn't understand the meaning of ++
As covered above, Intel has some uncertainty and delays in its rollouts, so it may be a while before it can actually deliver silicon to stomp on AMD. So rather than let AMD get some sales in the interim, along with their other anti-competitive methods, which have landed them in legal trouble before, they will spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt to slow AMD's uptake. Only if that doesn't work, and AMD is able to get some design wins, then we may get the price cuts. I'm sure the accountants and bean counters have it all down to a science by now.
should make a great name for a future AMD product.
I felt AMD had more to offer lately then Intel which seems obsessed with shedding wattage consumption and size but not much else. My next laptop is definitely going to be focused on performance not how little wattage it consumes. I detect that many notebook users are getting tired of the stagnant performance abilities of Intel chips except for a few bright spots in gaming machines. Maybe AMD will be in my next notebook?
So, 9th generation, then?
Of course there's something else after the latest and greatest. Its not like intel is just going to say "Whoops, no more chips! Sorry!"
With this much of a marketing tie in lead, are they going to start funding new processors via presales at gamestop?
Buggy shit that tries to spy on everything you do.
Mmm, yeah, give me a heaping fucking plate of that, please.
Intel has released incremental updates for years, just like Apple. The difference is that Intel has no real serious competition from AMD and Apple while having loade of competition somehow still deploys a reality distortion field that makes a lot of mindless iSheep THINK that Apple has no competition