Hes talking about putting the CD into the drive each time you play the game. You are talking about proving to Steam that you bought the game, so it can decrypt the game files, and this is an install time only thing. Two totally different things.
I have all relevent ports forwarded to my client. My experience is that if you dont get it while its hot (new torrent, just seeded so everyones swarming at the same time), its only as good as any other transfer method.
Soyuz cant return a payload to earth... Plus it impacts at quite a rate into the ground, im pretty sure I read somewhere that thats one of the reasons Soyuz hasnt ever been adapted to reusable status, the stress placed on the frame. A glider would bring a payload back to earth nice and gentley.
Actually one of the main reasons for it being aircraft shaped was that the Military wanted a craft that could return classified payloads not jsut to earth, but directly to a US territory, instead of splashing down in an ocean where it could potentially be stolen by a passing enemy ship or submarine. Hence the requirement for it to be able to glide and come into a controlled landing.
I know how TV ratings work, and since it uses statistical sampling, its safe to say that there are people in that sample that do what you do, so my point is still valid. I wasnt directly asking YOU those questions, it was more to everyone with that viewpoint, because some of them WILL have ratings boxes, and that WILL affect the ratings. So there:)
So when these shows get cancelled because of low viewing figures, what will you follow then? What DVDs will you buy? If you dont get it from the proper providor in one form or another, you run the risk of it disappearing because noones watching it on TV. If noones watching it on TV, theres no ad revenue, so theres no point in continuing on with the show.
Its just taken me 5 days to download 1 350mb episode file from Bittorrent (Battlestar Galactica episode 3). And this is using a torrent from a 'reputable' TV Torrents site. My upload topped out at over 2GB for that file. Hows that not both slow and obnoxious?
(Im in the UK, so Ive already watched ALL the first season on SkyOne, so noone looses anything by me downloading it. Conversely, a second season will be based on US viewing figures, where it is being boradcast at the moment, so please please please WATCH IT ON TV regardless of whether youve downloaded it. If you dont, you run the risk of it being cancelled, which would be a GREAT SHAME:( )
No, you missed my point entirely. Those licenses are GPL compatable. The GPL is not compatable with those licenses tho, and yes there is a difference. This means code flows one way, and in many circumstances it means the GPL is no better than closed source.
Answer me this: the GPL is incompatable with pretty much every other Opensource license out there (other licenses may be GPL compatable but that doesnt mean it works both ways), so why should everything be GPL compatable? Thats pretty much the first thing that comes up in discussions on slashdot 'is it GPL compatable?' or 'why couldnt they just use the GPL?'.
The way the GPL is currently written means GPLed projects can take from most other non GPLed projects without giving anything back, which I thought was one of the reasons for opensource?
Most of these people (the Grand Parent) dont seem to realise that Space rockets arent made from gold and loaded with bundles of cash that make up the projects budget. The money actually goes to the populous. Yeah, OK maybe not all of it, but it sure helps some of it.
If India had spent the last 50 years spending all its budget on eliminating 'poor' or poverty from the populous by giving money to these people, it would still be doing it today, and it would STILL be exactly where it was 50 years ago. You dont give poor people money. You dont eliminate poverty by handing money to these people. You spend that money on education, betterment, you bribe people to make a little effort on their own behalf and further themselves.
A Space program produces trained and educated people, people with goals and drive. It supports universities, and higher education, it produces whole new commercial sectors (where do you think all those people who have had US jobs outsourced to them got trained? They dont grow on trees.)
I think you missed my point completely, and in doing so strengthened it. He said that MS's use of BSDL code was 'stealing', yet whenever the same use of the term comes up in any Slashdot discussion on file trading its immediately correctly decried as being wrongly used, because nothings been lost to the origional owner. In this case, its doubly wrong, because not only has nothing been lost, but as you point out, you have a specific license to use the code as you see fit.
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Anyone see a problem with this? You cant 'steal' an MP3 or a movie, but MS can 'steal' BSD licensed code? MS didnt steal, take or deprive anyone of any code or product. The origional is still there, in its pristine state, MS using the code under the license given in no way detracted from the origional code.
Its more like the guy being approached by said kid, and setting up the deal completely, ie the type, quantity and quality of the drug at a certain price, and then telling the kid that they need to go to his friend to pay and collect. Its degrees of specifics, and this person was being pretty specific in the links he had.
Actually you are mistaken in pretty much every western country. Just because you HAVE a copy of the item, doenst mean you have free reign to get MORE copies from any source that has it available.
In this case the guy didn't even make content available, he just told people where they can find it.
Hmmm. Now Im not quite sure about that. He may not have had the files actually on his website, but he DID make them available to people visiting his website. This wasnt a vague 'theres some content over there someplace' (or as most people seem to be likening it to: 'theres a junkie selling drugs on a street corner over there'), it was a definate 'heres your content, right here, click and its delivered to you' (or: 'heres the specific drug in a specific quantity you wanted. Ive set the deal up, now you need to go collect it').
Remember, its all degrees. If he had been less specific then I would agree with you, but from the article he was pretty damn specific when it came to identifying the content and providing the links. Sometimes, just sometimes, you are actually liable and responsible for stuff you say, write or do.
As other people have pointed out, this basically just gives you a list of affected files to investigate yourself and specifically doesnt make any judgement one way or another, there is no 'claim that its stolen' or 'implication that its not yours to give away', its a list. For the user to check. Thats it.
Basically, 'making it up on volume' is easy. As you buy more and more parts from a supplier, you gain the bargaining power to make them charge less for the parts. So while you initially make a loss, the cost of the item goes down over time, and you simply dont pass this on to the consumer in its full amount. As your volume increases, the cost goes down.
Someone at your University is inept enough to not store valuable license information in a safe and secure manner, and thus cant produce it when needed
Microsoft offers a non perpetual 'way out' for a period of time
During this term you do nothing to make the initial problem go away, indeed you increase the problem
And somehow its Microsofts problem when they update the blanket license conditions when you want to renew?
Forgive me, but it sounds like your University missed a golden opportunity to get its licenses in order. Dont blame the Devil when user stupidity is the true culprit.
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Hes talking about putting the CD into the drive each time you play the game. You are talking about proving to Steam that you bought the game, so it can decrypt the game files, and this is an install time only thing. Two totally different things.
Already there dude, already there.
Do you a little deal, we stop harping on about GNU/RMS when others on this forum stop using M$, Micro$soft or Windoze. Deal?
I have all relevent ports forwarded to my client. My experience is that if you dont get it while its hot (new torrent, just seeded so everyones swarming at the same time), its only as good as any other transfer method.
Soyuz cant return a payload to earth... Plus it impacts at quite a rate into the ground, im pretty sure I read somewhere that thats one of the reasons Soyuz hasnt ever been adapted to reusable status, the stress placed on the frame. A glider would bring a payload back to earth nice and gentley.
Actually one of the main reasons for it being aircraft shaped was that the Military wanted a craft that could return classified payloads not jsut to earth, but directly to a US territory, instead of splashing down in an ocean where it could potentially be stolen by a passing enemy ship or submarine. Hence the requirement for it to be able to glide and come into a controlled landing.
I know how TV ratings work, and since it uses statistical sampling, its safe to say that there are people in that sample that do what you do, so my point is still valid. I wasnt directly asking YOU those questions, it was more to everyone with that viewpoint, because some of them WILL have ratings boxes, and that WILL affect the ratings. So there :)
So when these shows get cancelled because of low viewing figures, what will you follow then? What DVDs will you buy? If you dont get it from the proper providor in one form or another, you run the risk of it disappearing because noones watching it on TV. If noones watching it on TV, theres no ad revenue, so theres no point in continuing on with the show.
Its just taken me 5 days to download 1 350mb episode file from Bittorrent (Battlestar Galactica episode 3). And this is using a torrent from a 'reputable' TV Torrents site. My upload topped out at over 2GB for that file. Hows that not both slow and obnoxious?
:( )
(Im in the UK, so Ive already watched ALL the first season on SkyOne, so noone looses anything by me downloading it. Conversely, a second season will be based on US viewing figures, where it is being boradcast at the moment, so please please please WATCH IT ON TV regardless of whether youve downloaded it. If you dont, you run the risk of it being cancelled, which would be a GREAT SHAME
The TFT Cinema displays are worth the price they ask (at least the 20" and 23" ones are). No, really, they are.
No, you missed my point entirely. Those licenses are GPL compatable. The GPL is not compatable with those licenses tho, and yes there is a difference. This means code flows one way, and in many circumstances it means the GPL is no better than closed source.
Answer me this: the GPL is incompatable with pretty much every other Opensource license out there (other licenses may be GPL compatable but that doesnt mean it works both ways), so why should everything be GPL compatable? Thats pretty much the first thing that comes up in discussions on slashdot 'is it GPL compatable?' or 'why couldnt they just use the GPL?'.
The way the GPL is currently written means GPLed projects can take from most other non GPLed projects without giving anything back, which I thought was one of the reasons for opensource?
Most of these people (the Grand Parent) dont seem to realise that Space rockets arent made from gold and loaded with bundles of cash that make up the projects budget. The money actually goes to the populous. Yeah, OK maybe not all of it, but it sure helps some of it.
If India had spent the last 50 years spending all its budget on eliminating 'poor' or poverty from the populous by giving money to these people, it would still be doing it today, and it would STILL be exactly where it was 50 years ago. You dont give poor people money. You dont eliminate poverty by handing money to these people. You spend that money on education, betterment, you bribe people to make a little effort on their own behalf and further themselves.
A Space program produces trained and educated people, people with goals and drive. It supports universities, and higher education, it produces whole new commercial sectors (where do you think all those people who have had US jobs outsourced to them got trained? They dont grow on trees.)
I think you missed my point completely, and in doing so strengthened it. He said that MS's use of BSDL code was 'stealing', yet whenever the same use of the term comes up in any Slashdot discussion on file trading its immediately correctly decried as being wrongly used, because nothings been lost to the origional owner. In this case, its doubly wrong, because not only has nothing been lost, but as you point out, you have a specific license to use the code as you see fit.
How about this?
Anyone see a problem with this? You cant 'steal' an MP3 or a movie, but MS can 'steal' BSD licensed code? MS didnt steal, take or deprive anyone of any code or product. The origional is still there, in its pristine state, MS using the code under the license given in no way detracted from the origional code.
Wanna bet they have a flag in the database for 'Card actually swiped' or 'Details entered manually'?
So basically, Apple has two products (iTunesMS and iPod) and is making money on both of them? Are we supposed to be shocked and appalled or something?
Its more like the guy being approached by said kid, and setting up the deal completely, ie the type, quantity and quality of the drug at a certain price, and then telling the kid that they need to go to his friend to pay and collect. Its degrees of specifics, and this person was being pretty specific in the links he had.
Actually you are mistaken in pretty much every western country. Just because you HAVE a copy of the item, doenst mean you have free reign to get MORE copies from any source that has it available.
In this case the guy didn't even make content available, he just told people where they can find it.
Hmmm. Now Im not quite sure about that. He may not have had the files actually on his website, but he DID make them available to people visiting his website. This wasnt a vague 'theres some content over there someplace' (or as most people seem to be likening it to: 'theres a junkie selling drugs on a street corner over there'), it was a definate 'heres your content, right here, click and its delivered to you' (or: 'heres the specific drug in a specific quantity you wanted. Ive set the deal up, now you need to go collect it').
Remember, its all degrees. If he had been less specific then I would agree with you, but from the article he was pretty damn specific when it came to identifying the content and providing the links. Sometimes, just sometimes, you are actually liable and responsible for stuff you say, write or do.
As other people have pointed out, this basically just gives you a list of affected files to investigate yourself and specifically doesnt make any judgement one way or another, there is no 'claim that its stolen' or 'implication that its not yours to give away', its a list. For the user to check. Thats it.
In that case, I do apologise :) But our points were both correct, the University didnt fix the underlying problem, they only papered over the cracks.
Basically, 'making it up on volume' is easy. As you buy more and more parts from a supplier, you gain the bargaining power to make them charge less for the parts. So while you initially make a loss, the cost of the item goes down over time, and you simply dont pass this on to the consumer in its full amount. As your volume increases, the cost goes down.
- Someone at your University is inept enough to not store valuable license information in a safe and secure manner, and thus cant produce it when needed
- Microsoft offers a non perpetual 'way out' for a period of time
- During this term you do nothing to make the initial problem go away, indeed you increase the problem
- And somehow its Microsofts problem when they update the blanket license conditions when you want to renew?
Forgive me, but it sounds like your University missed a golden opportunity to get its licenses in order. Dont blame the Devil when user stupidity is the true culprit.