I thought about it for a while, and then I finally gave up after developing a headache. How could that possibly be legal unless you could just throw variable names in wherever a variable would be.....
Using it right now. It found a suspected trojan in my half life 1 install. It looked like a false positive, but who knows. I quarantined the file anyways. It was for opposing force. Anyone else have this detection? What was interesting was that it said it listed it as active. I was kind of surprised by this. Since I long lost my half life cds, it was a pirated copy, but usually they embed trojans in the installer exe or the cracked exe, which all tested out to be fine. Security essentials seems pretty good though and is relatively lightweight. I agree that it is about time that microsoft starts getting a lot more serious about security and vista/win7 and now this seems like steps in a good direction.
That's what I was thinking. There are only so many ways to code that. Perhaps both authors found a similar example on the net? Who knows? I mean if this was the most that was copied (assuming they borrowed the gpled code) this doesn't look all that damning.
"MS has monopoly power (even though they're not truly a monopoly) and can charge whatever they want for it. Businesses will pay it because they're scared shitless to try something new and users will normally pay for it because they don't want all their software to turn into coasters."
Time to go back to school kid. The cost per seat for windows is pretty minimal compared to some of the other software businesses typically buy for a workstation. Sure linux costs nothing and a lot of businesses are making the jump, but there are costs involved with that as well. Computers are so fucking cheap compared to 10-15 years ago. You know what you save when you don't pay the windows tax? Like $40-70. Wow. That's less than a day's pay for just about anyone that is going to sit in that seat. Yeah, there more scared shitless about the all bitching and moaning that will surely ensue when their beloved start menu disappears one day. Sure the home users pay a premium, but for like 90% of them (probably more) they never worried about the cost of windows. It came with their computer. Sure everyone wants a free lunch, but that isn't how the world works.
"That would be true, if there was perfect competition. However, we all know that there isn't much competition in the OS industry. You have the option of paying MS's extremely high prices or paying Apple's even more ludicrous prices. Again, unless you want to throw away all of your software, linux really isn't an option."
The software that you also pirated? In the real world, people actually do real work with their software. In most professions, professionals have to pay money for their tools and equipment. Should plumbers start stealing wrenches because they cost too much? Grow up. $100 for a copy of an operating system that runs all of your precious software (that you need!) is fucking trivial. A good drill costs more than that and is a lot less technical! Get with the real world kid!
"WRONG! If people do not want to buy it, the same number of people will buy it regardless of if those who won't pay the price pirate it or just don't use it."
Actually less people will be inclined to buy. If everyone else is pirating, why shouldn't they? Witness the rampant piracy in china which is commonplace and the reason that windows licenses only cost $50 there. There are studies that show that people, regardless of upbringing or morals, will do what everyone else around them does, like litter, etc.
"So by your lack of logic, you're arguing that every time anyone walks by an item and doesn't purchase it, everyone who does now has to pay more. This is completely and utterly false. I go to a car lot and buy a Mazda 3 - does the price of a Mazda 3 drop for everyone else? No, it stays the same. Does the price of every other car increase because I bought a Mazda 3? No, they stay the same."
Actually the price does drop. Cars were once luxury items, obtained by few. As mass manufacturing came into place (via Ford), cars became affordable by everyone. Cars also stay at a relatively stable value over the years. A new car now, costs about the same as one in the 1950s. Manufacturers work improvements into the cost of the car over time, but the ultimate price point versus inflation is pretty much the same for an average car. ($16,000 or so) So your $16,0000 gets you a lot more car today than a model T even though they cost the same ultimately. A VCR cost upwards of $1000 in the early 80s. They cost like $35 now. A portable CD player cost like $400 when it was first introduced. You can steal them for like $20 these days. The PSX was sold at a loss when introduced in 1995, by the time Sony quit making them it likely cost them $20-30 to produce one. The more you make of something the more you can drive costs down.
Thank you. This kind of "it doesn't cost anyone anything" logic is bullshit and needs to end. Piracy is ultimately theft and anyone that wants to try and argue otherwise will fail in the face of logic. If everyone decided to stop paying for software companies would stop developing it. Even the best "free" effort, Linux, has been driven by millions of dollars in development by, oh, say IBM and Red Hat and Novell and etc.....imagine a socialist operating system.....russia sure had some real gems of computing in the 70s.......
Clearly you have not used windows 7 as there is no classic mode anymore. Nice try troll. Also when I insert a usb disk in windows 7 it comes up immediately and I never had a problem installing firefox on any machine. Ever. UAC AFAIK doesn't even prompt for a password.
Huh? I've never had a problem since windows 2000 with hibernation or sleeping. I did have issues with windows 7, but the damned card reader driver wouldn't release. A proper driver fixed all my issues. In my experience hibernation in linux is basically like russian roulette. It has never worked for me, personally, but I kind of gave up trying a year or so ago. Wait a second. I'll try it in a VM on virtualbox 3.08....wow...it worked. Its about time. Wish the virtualbox tools would work under 9.10......
but nuclear IS bad. lots of waste with lots of containment issues. also you pretty much have to destroy whole mountains to mine for uranium and deal with all of the ecological consequences of massive open pit mining. there are lots of reasons that nuclear is bad, like for instance they predict that it will only net us 50-100 years before we run out of mineable uranium, so it isn't exactly a long term solution. On the other hand we probably have enough could to produce electricity for the next couple of hundred years, but strip mining for coal is awfully messy business when it comes to mountaintop removal and whatnot. never mind the polution, the huge amounts of fly ash you have to get rid of and all of that icky mercury contained within that keeps making its way into rivers and streams. clean coal is a serious joke. all scrubbers do is simply spray water across the exhaust to trap heavy particles. then that water has to go somewhere, like say, a huge resevoir, full of highly contaminated water. I honestly don't know how they plan on just pumping all that crap underground. so, I guess nuclear still wins as the lesser of two evils.
How so though? I thought the the QWERTY pads were actually more of the problem and hence not being able to use, say a ti-92 anywhere. there is really that much of a problem with changing the OS? I mean what could you possibly do on a ti-85 with new software than what you could do before? 3d equations? I mean the basic ones you can code in basic and even assembly on some. what they've done is really cool, but I think maybe this is more about TI being worried about someone opening up their software and eventually even copying it down the line as its internals are now finally dissected. The amount of people that are going to start hacking their calcs is probably going to be pretty small.
One day I cut the tip of my thumb off and it, of course, bled profusely. For three days. I was over at my mom's house and she made me go to the hospital because it wouldn't quit bleeding. I don't have insurance, and I really didn't want to go because I knew they couldn't do a whole lot for me at that point. Imagine my indignation when after looking at my still bleeding thumb, the doctor pointed to the sink and asked me if I could wash it out for him. I rinsed it off with some soap and they wrapped it in gauze and charged me $300. It still bled for a day after that. I don't trust or like the health system. It does not serve the interests of the patient anymore. I'm also sick of this post 9/11 fear mongering, with plans of the government using the H1N1 vaccine to round up people and put them in internment camps if they refuse the shot. I don't know how true it is, but there is a vast group of conspiracy nuts that think this is going to happen. I'm sick of the press for spreading total fucking FUD at the beginning and then refusing to tell people the real numbers as they are starting to come out. Thanks for helping the government throw everyone up in a panic and then do nothing to calm them. Anyone government that wants its populace to live in fear should be distrusted with extreme prejudice.
Really? I've yet to find a program that windows 7 64-bit won't run. Compatibility mode and administrative rights seemed to fix the worst offenders. IL2 ran without issue, don't see why lock on wouldn't run for you, since they are basically the same engine IIRC. YMMV. In my opinion 64-bit linux is a hodgepodge mess of 64 and 32 bit apps. (I'm looking at you 32-bit flash glued on top of 64-bit linux with ugly wrappings) I run ubuntu now in a VM and haven't really had any issues. Using the beta 64-bit flash too and youtube is even watchable in a window on the vm running seamlessly over the windows desktop. not bad.
my advice: keep an older machine with XP around, or gee, I guess dualboot to vista. Sooner or later better sims will come out anyways. Frankly, I would be surprised if thrustmaster didn't upgrade its software as well. They seem to be pretty responsive to their ever loyal fans.
Ahhhhh the unique experience of having like 5 good games to play with your shiny black $400 blu-ray player. (1 of which is suprisingly not a sequel) Good thing at least Final Fantasy XIII will redeem your purchase....errr..maybe not. I'd like to give you a unique experience. Drink a little more of that kool aid, kid.
6 cores is not way ahead of what a lot of pcs have right now (4 cores). PCs are beating the xbox 360 in terms of graphics. Beating it like a red headed stepchild. Asides from being PPC and six cores, there is nothing really all that exotic about the 360 hardware. Its got a good gpu and a ppc. Wow. It uses a flavor of direct x for programming. All these things make it much more like a regular old pc than anything. The PS2 and PS3 are something else though...I don't know about their graphics being revolutionary but it sure seems quite overly complex.
Most companies have legal teams that are smart enough to pay up. If you win in court and they don't pay its going to cost them a lot more to defend themselves in "real court" (as you say) than to just simply pay you the $400 or whatever. A few threatening letters and your money is as good as in the mail. I've known people that have made careers out of perpetual lawsuits.
Define ownership. You can own the physical (ever disappearing) media that the software comes from. You can own the rights to the software and its code. You can own a license to use the software. This is the problem and one that will be challenged in the future when software moves to pure digital distribution. Do you actually own what is on your hard drive? I say yes, but what happens when you have to reinstall and your only installer is some steam-like gateway that approves and disapproves of your access to said software? This is going to be a MAJOR shift your rights to copy software and make backups. The tide is already turning away from the consumer (some would say its long since been gone), but when you have no way to just reinstall software it might create some serious problems.
Like here is an easy example. You needed to reinstall windows (again!), but you ran out of installs on your oem key. Whoops. Gotta call microsoft and beg them to let you use the software you own. Next you go to install Photoshop with adobe's new digital distribution service (the only way to get CS5), but their server is down and you need to work on a project today. If you had a disk you could just install, but no, you as a paying customer get to be treated like a potential criminal. I know this is kind of extreme, but you see where I'm going and we are really almost at that point.
Sorry for the generalizations. I'm pretty much toast right now. Time for bed. Goodnight slashdotters!
the quality of the hardware matters little when you have so much built in redundancy. who cares if a server fails when you got three to back the failed one up? they were smart in realizing that for the cost of a sun server you could buy like 10 pcs and basically achieve a lot more with a great deal more redundancy.
I've had the worst luck with hynix sticks. Usually when I rebuild systems the sticks that are bad are usually hynix or even hyundai. Mushkin and kingston have always been pretty good to me though and are usually pretty rock solid. Hell, mushkin even has a lifetime warranty. How many other manufacturers offer that?
i bought a laptop from acer this summer thinking i would get the windows 7 upgrade, but mine was one of the ones that were unsupported as I guess they discontinued it at the same time. Strangely some other people with the same model were seemingly granted the upgrade. It kind of sucks that I'll have to pay $100 or so to keep using windows 7. I'm kind of hoping that microsoft gives another round of cheap upgrades out again, otherwise. I don't think I could ever go back to vista, and now that really isn't an option since I wiped the recovery partition, which I could never seem to access anyways. (Is it too much to include a $0. 25 dvd in the box????)
I wanna pay what dell pays. $70 or so seems pretty reasonable versus the $2-300 M$ wants at retail....
In a lot of states you are already paying sales tax on soda. In my state they specifically tax carbonated beverages, but not drinks without carbonation. If you think more taxes are the answer to things then you need to get a grip and realize how out of control goverment spending has become. The city I live in, the city of pittsburgh spent $25 million on the G20 summit. They spent millions on law enforcement alone, so they could get to gas a bunch of university students, while letting the anarchists that smashed windows and destroyed property get away. The year katrina hit, we spent like $80 billion on Homeland Security and our response was to let those people swelter in the superdome without food or water for days amongst dead rotting corpses. Its pretty sad that Tsunami survivors in Asia got better response with air drops, etc than our own people.
"The shape of 'Seven' is based on that of a Coho Salmon. While watching TV Denis noticed the fluid dynamics of the salmon through water. Knowing that water is more dense than air- Denis figured the shape would work very well at Bonneville. Wind Tunnel testing of Seven at the A2WT proved 'Seven' to have the lowest CoD of any streamliner- 0.09. "
There's nothing more beautiful than taking the best designs from nature and applying them to our own.
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I thought about it for a while, and then I finally gave up after developing a headache. How could that possibly be legal unless you could just throw variable names in wherever a variable would be.....
IF X = Y THEN Y = Z; ELSE Z = X;?
it would eventually loop....
Using it right now. It found a suspected trojan in my half life 1 install. It looked like a false positive, but who knows. I quarantined the file anyways. It was for opposing force. Anyone else have this detection? What was interesting was that it said it listed it as active. I was kind of surprised by this. Since I long lost my half life cds, it was a pirated copy, but usually they embed trojans in the installer exe or the cracked exe, which all tested out to be fine. Security essentials seems pretty good though and is relatively lightweight. I agree that it is about time that microsoft starts getting a lot more serious about security and vista/win7 and now this seems like steps in a good direction.
That's what I was thinking. There are only so many ways to code that. Perhaps both authors found a similar example on the net? Who knows? I mean if this was the most that was copied (assuming they borrowed the gpled code) this doesn't look all that damning.
"*beats head against wall*"
Can I help? :)
"MS has monopoly power (even though they're not truly a monopoly) and can charge whatever they want for it. Businesses will pay it because they're scared shitless to try something new and users will normally pay for it because they don't want all their software to turn into coasters."
Time to go back to school kid. The cost per seat for windows is pretty minimal compared to some of the other software businesses typically buy for a workstation. Sure linux costs nothing and a lot of businesses are making the jump, but there are costs involved with that as well. Computers are so fucking cheap compared to 10-15 years ago. You know what you save when you don't pay the windows tax? Like $40-70. Wow. That's less than a day's pay for just about anyone that is going to sit in that seat. Yeah, there more scared shitless about the all bitching and moaning that will surely ensue when their beloved start menu disappears one day. Sure the home users pay a premium, but for like 90% of them (probably more) they never worried about the cost of windows. It came with their computer. Sure everyone wants a free lunch, but that isn't how the world works.
"That would be true, if there was perfect competition. However, we all know that there isn't much competition in the OS industry. You have the option of paying MS's extremely high prices or paying Apple's even more ludicrous prices. Again, unless you want to throw away all of your software, linux really isn't an option."
The software that you also pirated? In the real world, people actually do real work with their software. In most professions, professionals have to pay money for their tools and equipment. Should plumbers start stealing wrenches because they cost too much? Grow up. $100 for a copy of an operating system that runs all of your precious software (that you need!) is fucking trivial. A good drill costs more than that and is a lot less technical! Get with the real world kid!
"WRONG! If people do not want to buy it, the same number of people will buy it regardless of if those who won't pay the price pirate it or just don't use it."
Actually less people will be inclined to buy. If everyone else is pirating, why shouldn't they? Witness the rampant piracy in china which is commonplace and the reason that windows licenses only cost $50 there. There are studies that show that people, regardless of upbringing or morals, will do what everyone else around them does, like litter, etc.
"So by your lack of logic, you're arguing that every time anyone walks by an item and doesn't purchase it, everyone who does now has to pay more. This is completely and utterly false. I go to a car lot and buy a Mazda 3 - does the price of a Mazda 3 drop for everyone else? No, it stays the same. Does the price of every other car increase because I bought a Mazda 3? No, they stay the same."
Actually the price does drop. Cars were once luxury items, obtained by few. As mass manufacturing came into place (via Ford), cars became affordable by everyone. Cars also stay at a relatively stable value over the years. A new car now, costs about the same as one in the 1950s. Manufacturers work improvements into the cost of the car over time, but the ultimate price point versus inflation is pretty much the same for an average car. ($16,000 or so) So your $16,0000 gets you a lot more car today than a model T even though they cost the same ultimately. A VCR cost upwards of $1000 in the early 80s. They cost like $35 now. A portable CD player cost like $400 when it was first introduced. You can steal them for like $20 these days. The PSX was sold at a loss when introduced in 1995, by the time Sony quit making them it likely cost them $20-30 to produce one. The more you make of something the more you can drive costs down.
Thank you. This kind of "it doesn't cost anyone anything" logic is bullshit and needs to end. Piracy is ultimately theft and anyone that wants to try and argue otherwise will fail in the face of logic. If everyone decided to stop paying for software companies would stop developing it. Even the best "free" effort, Linux, has been driven by millions of dollars in development by, oh, say IBM and Red Hat and Novell and etc.....imagine a socialist operating system.....russia sure had some real gems of computing in the 70s.......
wow there is. looks just like xp in classic mode. ugly.
Hey I stand corrected. must have missed that. it looks more like win2000 though.
Clearly you have not used windows 7 as there is no classic mode anymore. Nice try troll. Also when I insert a usb disk in windows 7 it comes up immediately and I never had a problem installing firefox on any machine. Ever. UAC AFAIK doesn't even prompt for a password.
Huh? I've never had a problem since windows 2000 with hibernation or sleeping. I did have issues with windows 7, but the damned card reader driver wouldn't release. A proper driver fixed all my issues. In my experience hibernation in linux is basically like russian roulette. It has never worked for me, personally, but I kind of gave up trying a year or so ago. Wait a second. I'll try it in a VM on virtualbox 3.08....wow...it worked. Its about time. Wish the virtualbox tools would work under 9.10......
but nuclear IS bad. lots of waste with lots of containment issues. also you pretty much have to destroy whole mountains to mine for uranium and deal with all of the ecological consequences of massive open pit mining. there are lots of reasons that nuclear is bad, like for instance they predict that it will only net us 50-100 years before we run out of mineable uranium, so it isn't exactly a long term solution. On the other hand we probably have enough could to produce electricity for the next couple of hundred years, but strip mining for coal is awfully messy business when it comes to mountaintop removal and whatnot. never mind the polution, the huge amounts of fly ash you have to get rid of and all of that icky mercury contained within that keeps making its way into rivers and streams. clean coal is a serious joke. all scrubbers do is simply spray water across the exhaust to trap heavy particles. then that water has to go somewhere, like say, a huge resevoir, full of highly contaminated water. I honestly don't know how they plan on just pumping all that crap underground. so, I guess nuclear still wins as the lesser of two evils.
How so though? I thought the the QWERTY pads were actually more of the problem and hence not being able to use, say a ti-92 anywhere. there is really that much of a problem with changing the OS? I mean what could you possibly do on a ti-85 with new software than what you could do before? 3d equations? I mean the basic ones you can code in basic and even assembly on some. what they've done is really cool, but I think maybe this is more about TI being worried about someone opening up their software and eventually even copying it down the line as its internals are now finally dissected. The amount of people that are going to start hacking their calcs is probably going to be pretty small.
geez. now even games have autotune! wtf?
One day I cut the tip of my thumb off and it, of course, bled profusely. For three days. I was over at my mom's house and she made me go to the hospital because it wouldn't quit bleeding. I don't have insurance, and I really didn't want to go because I knew they couldn't do a whole lot for me at that point. Imagine my indignation when after looking at my still bleeding thumb, the doctor pointed to the sink and asked me if I could wash it out for him. I rinsed it off with some soap and they wrapped it in gauze and charged me $300. It still bled for a day after that. I don't trust or like the health system. It does not serve the interests of the patient anymore. I'm also sick of this post 9/11 fear mongering, with plans of the government using the H1N1 vaccine to round up people and put them in internment camps if they refuse the shot. I don't know how true it is, but there is a vast group of conspiracy nuts that think this is going to happen. I'm sick of the press for spreading total fucking FUD at the beginning and then refusing to tell people the real numbers as they are starting to come out. Thanks for helping the government throw everyone up in a panic and then do nothing to calm them. Anyone government that wants its populace to live in fear should be distrusted with extreme prejudice.
Really? I've yet to find a program that windows 7 64-bit won't run. Compatibility mode and administrative rights seemed to fix the worst offenders. IL2 ran without issue, don't see why lock on wouldn't run for you, since they are basically the same engine IIRC. YMMV. In my opinion 64-bit linux is a hodgepodge mess of 64 and 32 bit apps. (I'm looking at you 32-bit flash glued on top of 64-bit linux with ugly wrappings) I run ubuntu now in a VM and haven't really had any issues. Using the beta 64-bit flash too and youtube is even watchable in a window on the vm running seamlessly over the windows desktop. not bad.
my advice: keep an older machine with XP around, or gee, I guess dualboot to vista. Sooner or later better sims will come out anyways. Frankly, I would be surprised if thrustmaster didn't upgrade its software as well. They seem to be pretty responsive to their ever loyal fans.
Ahhhhh the unique experience of having like 5 good games to play with your shiny black $400 blu-ray player. (1 of which is suprisingly not a sequel) Good thing at least Final Fantasy XIII will redeem your purchase....errr..maybe not. I'd like to give you a unique experience. Drink a little more of that kool aid, kid.
6 cores is not way ahead of what a lot of pcs have right now (4 cores). PCs are beating the xbox 360 in terms of graphics. Beating it like a red headed stepchild. Asides from being PPC and six cores, there is nothing really all that exotic about the 360 hardware. Its got a good gpu and a ppc. Wow. It uses a flavor of direct x for programming. All these things make it much more like a regular old pc than anything. The PS2 and PS3 are something else though...I don't know about their graphics being revolutionary but it sure seems quite overly complex.
Most companies have legal teams that are smart enough to pay up. If you win in court and they don't pay its going to cost them a lot more to defend themselves in "real court" (as you say) than to just simply pay you the $400 or whatever. A few threatening letters and your money is as good as in the mail. I've known people that have made careers out of perpetual lawsuits.
"You can't own software, man."
Define ownership. You can own the physical (ever disappearing) media that the software comes from. You can own the rights to the software and its code. You can own a license to use the software. This is the problem and one that will be challenged in the future when software moves to pure digital distribution. Do you actually own what is on your hard drive? I say yes, but what happens when you have to reinstall and your only installer is some steam-like gateway that approves and disapproves of your access to said software? This is going to be a MAJOR shift your rights to copy software and make backups. The tide is already turning away from the consumer (some would say its long since been gone), but when you have no way to just reinstall software it might create some serious problems.
Like here is an easy example. You needed to reinstall windows (again!), but you ran out of installs on your oem key. Whoops. Gotta call microsoft and beg them to let you use the software you own. Next you go to install Photoshop with adobe's new digital distribution service (the only way to get CS5), but their server is down and you need to work on a project today. If you had a disk you could just install, but no, you as a paying customer get to be treated like a potential criminal. I know this is kind of extreme, but you see where I'm going and we are really almost at that point.
Sorry for the generalizations. I'm pretty much toast right now. Time for bed. Goodnight slashdotters!
"Never click "yes" to dialogs you weren't expecting."
Clearly you have never used Windows Vista.....
the quality of the hardware matters little when you have so much built in redundancy. who cares if a server fails when you got three to back the failed one up? they were smart in realizing that for the cost of a sun server you could buy like 10 pcs and basically achieve a lot more with a great deal more redundancy.
I've had the worst luck with hynix sticks. Usually when I rebuild systems the sticks that are bad are usually hynix or even hyundai. Mushkin and kingston have always been pretty good to me though and are usually pretty rock solid. Hell, mushkin even has a lifetime warranty. How many other manufacturers offer that?
i bought a laptop from acer this summer thinking i would get the windows 7 upgrade, but mine was one of the ones that were unsupported as I guess they discontinued it at the same time. Strangely some other people with the same model were seemingly granted the upgrade. It kind of sucks that I'll have to pay $100 or so to keep using windows 7. I'm kind of hoping that microsoft gives another round of cheap upgrades out again, otherwise. I don't think I could ever go back to vista, and now that really isn't an option since I wiped the recovery partition, which I could never seem to access anyways. (Is it too much to include a $0. 25 dvd in the box????)
I wanna pay what dell pays. $70 or so seems pretty reasonable versus the $2-300 M$ wants at retail....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8RqgDsO3c4
even the new skinny puppy album has autotune all over it. :( that shit was old from day one.
In a lot of states you are already paying sales tax on soda. In my state they specifically tax carbonated beverages, but not drinks without carbonation. If you think more taxes are the answer to things then you need to get a grip and realize how out of control goverment spending has become. The city I live in, the city of pittsburgh spent $25 million on the G20 summit. They spent millions on law enforcement alone, so they could get to gas a bunch of university students, while letting the anarchists that smashed windows and destroyed property get away. The year katrina hit, we spent like $80 billion on Homeland Security and our response was to let those people swelter in the superdome without food or water for days amongst dead rotting corpses. Its pretty sad that Tsunami survivors in Asia got better response with air drops, etc than our own people.
The last thing we possibly need is more taxes.
I found this part particularly inspiring:
"The shape of 'Seven' is based on that of a Coho Salmon. While watching TV Denis noticed the fluid dynamics of the salmon through water. Knowing that water is more dense than air- Denis figured the shape would work very well at Bonneville. Wind Tunnel testing of Seven at the A2WT proved 'Seven' to have the lowest CoD of any streamliner- 0.09. "
There's nothing more beautiful than taking the best designs from nature and applying them to our own.