Well, to be fair, pine was the best thing around for a long time. I used to like eudora on my mac back in the day, but pine was pretty great too. I pretty much used pine and mutt for years until I started using gmail. Web mail used to suck in a lot of ways until gmail came out. I think a yahoo account only had a 5 megabyte limit or so at the time. 1gig was incredibly large and the interface is still better than anything else. Even the classic html only version is decent and certainly lightweight. Gmail is easily the best thing google has come up with other than search. I'd argue google maps (and earth) as well, but people use e-mail far more than maps.
Ooooh....pine with google imap.....hmmmm....is there a pine port for windows?;)
Seems threaded to me. Any of my mailing list e-mail is threaded by subject. Very useful. How else is it supposed to thread? It breaks down if the subject changes, but even in a group e-mail, the listing in my inbox is still one continuous thread. Having them all in chronological order (flat as you say) makes good sense to me. Actually g-mail has such a great interface (especially for a web application), that even using thunderbird 2 (which I used to love, along with eudora back in the day) seems like going back to a typewriter after using a word processor. I mean you can imap gmail and have the best of both worlds. they at least used to have pop3 too for those cloud haters. (i don't know if they still do pop3)
Gmail kind of reinvented e-mail how I interact with e-mail. I know that people have different opinions about such things though. I just don't understand what you mean by it not being threaded since that was the feature to completely sold me from the start. What a huge time saver. No more hunting through e-mails for some part of a conversation you missed since it is now all on one page.
Yeah, because we've always followed the rulings by the supreme court to the letter of the law! *cough*DomesticSearchAndSeizureByBorderAgents*cough*
The feds seem content to break every law they can until someone exposes them. Conveniently, Iraq and Afghanistan were ruled by the Dept. of Justice to not be internationally recognized foreign nations so the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply. Notice the change in terminology from Prisoner of War to Enemy Combatant. We can not trust any organization that has power to grant and take away our freedom. Who watches the watchers?
I live and breathe patents every day, and I really don't think the system is as broken as its reputation. That's not to say there are no bad patents. I have personally defended several clients against patents that were almost certainly invalid, and that the clients almost certainly didn't infringe even if they were valid. I have been involved in some classic "patent troll" cases, and I think it's terrible that it's happened.
And yet you took their money anyways. It is true. Lawyers are evil.
Actually in my city the firefighters work 4 days and live at the station and then take the next 4 days off. They are paid for their time on duty. Its not like they get paid only when there is a fire as the lawyer wants to put it. If you are on call you should get paid at least something and it cannot be just any time outside of work. Period. If that is not the situation, it would probably be wise to reevaluate one's employer and consider seeking new employment.
Indeed, and research and money has been invested increasing the tolerances of said parts. That costs a lot of money for essentially limited returns since the runs are small. They need to recoup that somewhere. How exactly is this fraud? If you want something special you generally pay a premium on it. Why can't people understand that the more of something you make, it becomes inherently cheaper to produce? Once the initial startup costs in manufacturing are covered the margins go way up,
you should always install windows first and then run gparted. just leave a nice block of space at the end for linux and swap. windows needs to set up its bootloaders properly or you will not be able to boot. hit up my e-mail if you get stuck.
Asides from the gloss, I'd say that vista and windows 7 have done a respectable job at staying basically the same. If anything they seem like refinements of the design laid out in windows 98 and nothing more. Sure the start menu is a little different and there is no up arrow in explorer, but other than that its pretty much the same. I'd argue that XP brought bigger changes with icon grouping in the taskbar, shrinking systray and the redesigned start menu that is pretty much what even windows 7 is using now.
Microsoft knows the furor that will arise if they change anything too drastically. My mom has never had a problem adjusting to various instances of windows and she really knows the least out of anyone I know.
Ahh the good old days. There was also a 3do on a card for the pcs. The PC on mac card was a real classic. I wonder how many mac users bought it purely just to play all the games they were missing? It was a 486DX/2 that did SVGA. All on an expansion card. Cool stuff back then.
But they are the same os. Except one has a web browser and one has a web browser and other actual applications installed. It seems fair to compare them. When is the limitation of choice a design feature?
Hah! Imagine if M$ only let you install and run internet explorer!
Why reinvent the wheel? Linux has had millions of dollars invested in its development over the years and is stable, reasonably efficient, and well documented. To start out from scratch would take years of development time. Why do you think that linux is becoming so prolific on so many different devices? It runs on any remotely modern processor under the sun. Actually, that is why I am so disappointed in all of this in a way. This is simply a rebadging that does little to credit all of the people that got linux and GNU to where they are today.
Indeed. The media really needs to quit talking about chromium. Nothing to see here, move along. Revloutionary? That makes me laugh. Its not even stateless as some have claimed. (Then again, I never really saw how that would work without a FS rewrite.) It is just linux with a web browser as the only interface. After using it for 2 minutes (the most it would give me before dumping to the login) I wanted to punch someone. If this is the direction where computing ends up going we need to figure out a way to sabotage the future. A web browser does not make a thin client. Repeat after me. I want my applications locally, where I can use them regardless of having a network or not. This is so anti-pc it makes me filled with rage. The whole world could burn down and I could still do my work with my PC (as long as I survived). Try doing that with chrome. Ask the t-mobile/sidekick/hiptop users out there how well cloud worked out for them. Could you imagine of Microsoft released Windows 8 as purely just internet explorer and loaded bing by default? Google already has datamined us way beyond anything M$ could have ever dreamed of, but where is the outcry over privacy? Any company that needs to use "do no evil" as a way to placate the masses has some serious fucking issues. Chromium seems purely to be another vehicle to guide them to the pearly gates.
I don't see it standing much of a chance. I don't think a great deal of thought actually went into it. It lacks so many basic features that I am kind of surprised they even released it. Like how do you log out or even shut down? It responds to ACPI requests (it is just linux) but there is nowhere on screen to power down. No desktop? No pretty background? Even android is a real OS compared to this. No nifty widgets? I don't see many people getting all that excited about running chrome and nothing but. I was kind of hoping for a competitor to ubuntu, but sadly this is not the case. Hats off to ubuntu btw for having the tightest netbook distro out there too! They are even beating xubuntu in memory usage right now.
Yeah. But how usable is it? You can browse the web. That's about it. The chess game is even web based and the flash crashed the whole thing leaving me with a login screen. This is easily the worst OS I've seen in a long time. No power button? Huh? It seemed really slow once it booted too. Much slower ubuntu on a vm in my machine. I particularly liked the login screen for the "Start" menu. I just logged into google. Why have to do it twice?? It can't pass my credentials to the rest of the browser/os/whatever?? People may not like this when the internet goes down. Can you imagine not being able to do anything without internet? I mean, I can use my laptop when the power goes out. How is this going to become even remotely popular or even cult-like? I can do way more with even just a netbook and linux. Even the instant boot linux setups on laptops and now motherboards offer far more than just a web browser. Like the ability to watch a DVD (great on laptops) and a bunch of other things. Oh, and interface is indeed somewhat pleasing, until you bring up a menu or something. What are they using? WxWidgets there or something? And the fonts are pretty rough. Has a very jarring old almost-xp look to the dialogs, compared to the newness of the chrome itself. . I honestly cannot fathom what they are trying to accomplish here. Where do you store your music and video? You simply cannot ignore local storage completely. An OS in/as a Browser??? Lame. What's up with the insulting video too? Its like "Oh wow the internet is now the only thing people do now!" WTF? Even my mom uses her computer for something other than the internet. This is a bad move. Google wants control of everything, beyond even microsoft. It almost the seems like the day where google=internet like kleenex=tissue seems almost inevitable.
Gmail is the only app I'll use online. Youtube and whatnot are just media viewers. For real work I'll stick to something I can sit by the river and work on and not worry about an internet connection. I used to imap my google account, but really what's the point? Its just as fast on the browser and I've always liked the interface. I don't even chat much anymore. The web should be for finding information and communicating and not your new operating system. I know most people disagree at this point, but hey, I miss the quaint days of gopher. Stumble upon has forced me to realize that the web is a huge time waster with 100 million different new crazy things to see. I can't imagine spending every waking moment on the web though.
I couldn't read past the quote under the picture "defending the homeland...."
Is it just me or is "homeland" starting to sound increasingly like "motherland" or "fatherland" as the germans put it??
This kind or rhetoric is getting dangerous as it is starting to become a part of our speech and thinking. What happened to country or nation? Now we have homeland. Oh what a slippery slope and we've fallen halfway there. I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but anymore, I would be hardly surprised. I think we need less weapons and better public relations. People are very against a complete new world order, (and for good reasons given the directions we are going in) but until we start working together as a human race instead of killing each other over lines in the sand we will never become a peaceful society. Hope things get better!
My laptop is 1280x800, at 14" WXGA is pretty much perfect for my eyes. I think a 1080 display would seem too small at this screensize. That aside, the 9100M drivers I have from nvidia won't scale for some reason. So 640x480 is pretty much letterboxed and tiny. Of course just about every windows game under the sun at least does 1024x768, so that isn't an issue, but games (KOTOR) that use video at a fixed resolution display tiny little youtube like videos. Bummer. The older 178 drivers worked better overall, but were a lot slower. The newer 185 series is great performance wise but scaling is now broken. It just uses the built-in scaler on the screen, which doesn't scale in windows as well. nforce has given me lots of trouble under windows 7, especially with the desktop I use at work. Anything hard drive intensive seems to slow the system to a grinding halt, but it works after a few minutes of disk thrashing. (The drive keeps checking out ok too, so imminent failure seems ruled out) Bad firmware on the drive? Copying a file to a usb HDD immediately results in a BSOD, but flash works ok. Anyone else out there with nforce720 based boards with headaches and windows 7??
A lot of admins are pretty wary of throwing the latest and greatest on their boxes for the simple reason that it may, or shall I say, will break things. Its no fun to throw a service pack on to find it has nuked your installation, or upgrading your mail server to find out that your configuration isn't global to the new version. Now that sort of thing happens. I'm just saying there are all kinds of little issues (or huge ones) that can arrive. At least with older software you already know the faults and are prepared to work around them. Security has become the number 1 reason that software is now a continuous version stream with patches rolling out every 6 minutes. The UNIX-like OSes of the world have always handled this concept more gracefully, but when you look at windows that wants to reboot 4 times a week for updates it seems much more like an afterthought. Even linux can handle most updates without a reboot or hiccup. You don't even have to know that they occur of you like. If they can figure out how to swap the kernel live, we might start to see some really insane up times. I don't understand his argument. Most server type operating systems have few issues with updating themselves on the fly. There are a lot of insecure, unpatched boxes out there, but that is more bad administration than anything. Is there something that I am missing here or is he talking about ease of migration with data and new versions of software and keeping types universal so that they will interface with different versions? THAT is a problem. Like, for instance, I've been having some fun compiling old versions of stuff on Ubuntu and trying to figure out what library versions it was compiled against. The fat binary blob is not such a bad idea when you have terrabytes of space...:)
How diluted can it really be? I mean a shot is like 1oz, a typical mixed drink glass is like 6-8oz. Unless you are pouring them really heavy (which most bars do not do) the end product is still mostly coke. I'm not saying we should outlaw coke (jack daniels, yes....yech), but your argument doesn't really hold up. If you are drinking 1 to 1 drinks then I say you have bigger problems.
It is actually becoming more universal now. My dad was refused a license in idaho for a speeding ticket in pennsylvania, which he had already paid. So, he ended up paying it again. You mention child support. There is really nowhere that you can hide from child support these days. There are interstate courts that deal with such things. Also if you are like me and exceed $5000, you are prohibited from acquiring a passport, and a lot of states will also take your license if you are exempt. My dad knows people in idaho that are in jail for owing $2-3000 in child support and will not be released until they somehow magically produce the cash.
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bad for security, but agreed it would be ideal as a hard to find option.
Well, to be fair, pine was the best thing around for a long time. I used to like eudora on my mac back in the day, but pine was pretty great too. I pretty much used pine and mutt for years until I started using gmail. Web mail used to suck in a lot of ways until gmail came out. I think a yahoo account only had a 5 megabyte limit or so at the time. 1gig was incredibly large and the interface is still better than anything else. Even the classic html only version is decent and certainly lightweight. Gmail is easily the best thing google has come up with other than search. I'd argue google maps (and earth) as well, but people use e-mail far more than maps.
Ooooh....pine with google imap.....hmmmm....is there a pine port for windows? ;)
Seems threaded to me. Any of my mailing list e-mail is threaded by subject. Very useful. How else is it supposed to thread? It breaks down if the subject changes, but even in a group e-mail, the listing in my inbox is still one continuous thread. Having them all in chronological order (flat as you say) makes good sense to me. Actually g-mail has such a great interface (especially for a web application), that even using thunderbird 2 (which I used to love, along with eudora back in the day) seems like going back to a typewriter after using a word processor. I mean you can imap gmail and have the best of both worlds. they at least used to have pop3 too for those cloud haters. (i don't know if they still do pop3)
Gmail kind of reinvented e-mail how I interact with e-mail. I know that people have different opinions about such things though. I just don't understand what you mean by it not being threaded since that was the feature to completely sold me from the start. What a huge time saver. No more hunting through e-mails for some part of a conversation you missed since it is now all on one page.
CIA Badges look pretty easy to fake......
I just put the finishing touches on my tinfoil lined apartment.
Yeah, because we've always followed the rulings by the supreme court to the letter of the law! *cough*DomesticSearchAndSeizureByBorderAgents*cough*
The feds seem content to break every law they can until someone exposes them. Conveniently, Iraq and Afghanistan were ruled by the Dept. of Justice to not be internationally recognized foreign nations so the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply. Notice the change in terminology from Prisoner of War to Enemy Combatant. We can not trust any organization that has power to grant and take away our freedom. Who watches the watchers?
I live and breathe patents every day, and I really don't think the system is as broken as its reputation. That's not to say there are no bad patents. I have personally defended several clients against patents that were almost certainly invalid, and that the clients almost certainly didn't infringe even if they were valid. I have been involved in some classic "patent troll" cases, and I think it's terrible that it's happened.
And yet you took their money anyways. It is true. Lawyers are evil.
Actually in my city the firefighters work 4 days and live at the station and then take the next 4 days off. They are paid for their time on duty. Its not like they get paid only when there is a fire as the lawyer wants to put it. If you are on call you should get paid at least something and it cannot be just any time outside of work. Period. If that is not the situation, it would probably be wise to reevaluate one's employer and consider seeking new employment.
Indeed, and research and money has been invested increasing the tolerances of said parts. That costs a lot of money for essentially limited returns since the runs are small. They need to recoup that somewhere. How exactly is this fraud? If you want something special you generally pay a premium on it. Why can't people understand that the more of something you make, it becomes inherently cheaper to produce? Once the initial startup costs in manufacturing are covered the margins go way up,
I have a 10 year old daughter. He played the game of life wrong. Hang him high!
you should always install windows first and then run gparted. just leave a nice block of space at the end for linux and swap. windows needs to set up its bootloaders properly or you will not be able to boot. hit up my e-mail if you get stuck.
Asides from the gloss, I'd say that vista and windows 7 have done a respectable job at staying basically the same. If anything they seem like refinements of the design laid out in windows 98 and nothing more. Sure the start menu is a little different and there is no up arrow in explorer, but other than that its pretty much the same. I'd argue that XP brought bigger changes with icon grouping in the taskbar, shrinking systray and the redesigned start menu that is pretty much what even windows 7 is using now.
Microsoft knows the furor that will arise if they change anything too drastically. My mom has never had a problem adjusting to various instances of windows and she really knows the least out of anyone I know.
Ahh the good old days. There was also a 3do on a card for the pcs. The PC on mac card was a real classic. I wonder how many mac users bought it purely just to play all the games they were missing? It was a 486DX/2 that did SVGA. All on an expansion card. Cool stuff back then.
But they are the same os. Except one has a web browser and one has a web browser and other actual applications installed. It seems fair to compare them. When is the limitation of choice a design feature?
Hah! Imagine if M$ only let you install and run internet explorer!
CTRL+ALT+T brings up the terminal. Can't remember if you need the alt.
Apt is installed, so yeah, it is basically stock ubuntu with chrome running on top. Feel the innovation!
If they need to know that bad, a 30 second google will suffice. :P
Why reinvent the wheel? Linux has had millions of dollars invested in its development over the years and is stable, reasonably efficient, and well documented. To start out from scratch would take years of development time. Why do you think that linux is becoming so prolific on so many different devices? It runs on any remotely modern processor under the sun. Actually, that is why I am so disappointed in all of this in a way. This is simply a rebadging that does little to credit all of the people that got linux and GNU to where they are today.
Indeed. The media really needs to quit talking about chromium. Nothing to see here, move along. Revloutionary? That makes me laugh. Its not even stateless as some have claimed. (Then again, I never really saw how that would work without a FS rewrite.) It is just linux with a web browser as the only interface. After using it for 2 minutes (the most it would give me before dumping to the login) I wanted to punch someone. If this is the direction where computing ends up going we need to figure out a way to sabotage the future. A web browser does not make a thin client. Repeat after me. I want my applications locally, where I can use them regardless of having a network or not. This is so anti-pc it makes me filled with rage. The whole world could burn down and I could still do my work with my PC (as long as I survived). Try doing that with chrome. Ask the t-mobile/sidekick/hiptop users out there how well cloud worked out for them. Could you imagine of Microsoft released Windows 8 as purely just internet explorer and loaded bing by default? Google already has datamined us way beyond anything M$ could have ever dreamed of, but where is the outcry over privacy? Any company that needs to use "do no evil" as a way to placate the masses has some serious fucking issues. Chromium seems purely to be another vehicle to guide them to the pearly gates.
I don't see it standing much of a chance. I don't think a great deal of thought actually went into it. It lacks so many basic features that I am kind of surprised they even released it. Like how do you log out or even shut down? It responds to ACPI requests (it is just linux) but there is nowhere on screen to power down. No desktop? No pretty background? Even android is a real OS compared to this. No nifty widgets? I don't see many people getting all that excited about running chrome and nothing but. I was kind of hoping for a competitor to ubuntu, but sadly this is not the case. Hats off to ubuntu btw for having the tightest netbook distro out there too! They are even beating xubuntu in memory usage right now.
Yeah. But how usable is it? You can browse the web. That's about it. The chess game is even web based and the flash crashed the whole thing leaving me with a login screen. This is easily the worst OS I've seen in a long time. No power button? Huh? It seemed really slow once it booted too. Much slower ubuntu on a vm in my machine. I particularly liked the login screen for the "Start" menu. I just logged into google. Why have to do it twice?? It can't pass my credentials to the rest of the browser/os/whatever?? People may not like this when the internet goes down. Can you imagine not being able to do anything without internet? I mean, I can use my laptop when the power goes out. How is this going to become even remotely popular or even cult-like? I can do way more with even just a netbook and linux. Even the instant boot linux setups on laptops and now motherboards offer far more than just a web browser. Like the ability to watch a DVD (great on laptops) and a bunch of other things. Oh, and interface is indeed somewhat pleasing, until you bring up a menu or something. What are they using? WxWidgets there or something? And the fonts are pretty rough. Has a very jarring old almost-xp look to the dialogs, compared to the newness of the chrome itself.
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I honestly cannot fathom what they are trying to accomplish here. Where do you store your music and video? You simply cannot ignore local storage completely. An OS in/as a Browser??? Lame. What's up with the insulting video too? Its like "Oh wow the internet is now the only thing people do now!" WTF? Even my mom uses her computer for something other than the internet. This is a bad move. Google wants control of everything, beyond even microsoft. It almost the seems like the day where google=internet like kleenex=tissue seems almost inevitable.
Gmail is the only app I'll use online. Youtube and whatnot are just media viewers. For real work I'll stick to something I can sit by the river and work on and not worry about an internet connection. I used to imap my google account, but really what's the point? Its just as fast on the browser and I've always liked the interface. I don't even chat much anymore. The web should be for finding information and communicating and not your new operating system. I know most people disagree at this point, but hey, I miss the quaint days of gopher. Stumble upon has forced me to realize that the web is a huge time waster with 100 million different new crazy things to see. I can't imagine spending every waking moment on the web though.
I couldn't read past the quote under the picture "defending the homeland...."
Is it just me or is "homeland" starting to sound increasingly like "motherland" or "fatherland" as the germans put it??
This kind or rhetoric is getting dangerous as it is starting to become a part of our speech and thinking. What happened to country or nation? Now we have homeland. Oh what a slippery slope and we've fallen halfway there. I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but anymore, I would be hardly surprised. I think we need less weapons and better public relations. People are very against a complete new world order, (and for good reasons given the directions we are going in) but until we start working together as a human race instead of killing each other over lines in the sand we will never become a peaceful society. Hope things get better!
My laptop is 1280x800, at 14" WXGA is pretty much perfect for my eyes. I think a 1080 display would seem too small at this screensize. That aside, the 9100M drivers I have from nvidia won't scale for some reason. So 640x480 is pretty much letterboxed and tiny. Of course just about every windows game under the sun at least does 1024x768, so that isn't an issue, but games (KOTOR) that use video at a fixed resolution display tiny little youtube like videos. Bummer. The older 178 drivers worked better overall, but were a lot slower. The newer 185 series is great performance wise but scaling is now broken. It just uses the built-in scaler on the screen, which doesn't scale in windows as well. nforce has given me lots of trouble under windows 7, especially with the desktop I use at work. Anything hard drive intensive seems to slow the system to a grinding halt, but it works after a few minutes of disk thrashing. (The drive keeps checking out ok too, so imminent failure seems ruled out) Bad firmware on the drive? Copying a file to a usb HDD immediately results in a BSOD, but flash works ok. Anyone else out there with nforce720 based boards with headaches and windows 7??
A lot of admins are pretty wary of throwing the latest and greatest on their boxes for the simple reason that it may, or shall I say, will break things. Its no fun to throw a service pack on to find it has nuked your installation, or upgrading your mail server to find out that your configuration isn't global to the new version. Now that sort of thing happens. I'm just saying there are all kinds of little issues (or huge ones) that can arrive. At least with older software you already know the faults and are prepared to work around them. Security has become the number 1 reason that software is now a continuous version stream with patches rolling out every 6 minutes. The UNIX-like OSes of the world have always handled this concept more gracefully, but when you look at windows that wants to reboot 4 times a week for updates it seems much more like an afterthought. Even linux can handle most updates without a reboot or hiccup. You don't even have to know that they occur of you like. If they can figure out how to swap the kernel live, we might start to see some really insane up times. I don't understand his argument. Most server type operating systems have few issues with updating themselves on the fly. There are a lot of insecure, unpatched boxes out there, but that is more bad administration than anything. Is there something that I am missing here or is he talking about ease of migration with data and new versions of software and keeping types universal so that they will interface with different versions? THAT is a problem. Like, for instance, I've been having some fun compiling old versions of stuff on Ubuntu and trying to figure out what library versions it was compiled against. The fat binary blob is not such a bad idea when you have terrabytes of space... :)
How diluted can it really be? I mean a shot is like 1oz, a typical mixed drink glass is like 6-8oz. Unless you are pouring them really heavy (which most bars do not do) the end product is still mostly coke. I'm not saying we should outlaw coke (jack daniels, yes....yech), but your argument doesn't really hold up. If you are drinking 1 to 1 drinks then I say you have bigger problems.
It is actually becoming more universal now. My dad was refused a license in idaho for a speeding ticket in pennsylvania, which he had already paid. So, he ended up paying it again. You mention child support. There is really nowhere that you can hide from child support these days. There are interstate courts that deal with such things. Also if you are like me and exceed $5000, you are prohibited from acquiring a passport, and a lot of states will also take your license if you are exempt. My dad knows people in idaho that are in jail for owing $2-3000 in child support and will not be released until they somehow magically produce the cash.