Oh please, with what 'Captain Kirk' has been up to lately, I say we built a rocketship and send him off in it, we could tell him its one last mission for the Federation =)
You need a monitor that will sync on green to install linux on ps2, but after that you can configure it to run on a tv.. Just thought I would let you know..
Well, EMP weapons are probably legal, unless they have this long list of 'weapons' that aren't. I really don't see why everyone would be frantic to protect their vehicles from everything known to harm vehicles (think small explosives, superglue to keep it on one spot, that foam stuff they use for insulation, the list can go on and on). It would be pretty cool to see someone build a very basic vehicle that had a large hammer type thing on the top, and an EMP generating device. They could take all the vehicles out, and then just go around and pound them into the ground.
Well i don't touch it because it does what you say, not because I *can't* rewind..
Anyway, I do agree that it sucks with cds and dvd's that they get scratched, but I guess I have been pretty lucky when it comes to that, as I rarely see any sort of artifacts when I watch dvd's..
I guess the way I would put it is that I find the tradeoff very much worth it. I would rather have seen DVD's packaged similar to how minidiscs are packaged (similar to a floppy disk I guess you could say) so they wouldn't get scratched up, but you can't get everything it seems..
How many of you wont touch another analog cassette, or VHS tape, because your worried you might have to rewind it?
I figured by the time we hit the year 2000, 'rewinding' would be a thing of the past. I could care less if its nicer looking, sounds better, because DVD really satisfies all my movie needs (I dont agree with who runs the DVD standard but thats a seperate issue). It would have been nice if they used some better compression technique then MPEG2 for DVD, like MPEG4 or something similar, but its already out, and it works. Ah well, Im not going to buy one =)
Hmm.. I had forgotten that Sony was portraying this as the cheapest possible way of getting a linux box in your house. Sure you could get something cheaper, sony is not saying you can't.
This is a hobbist tool, not something your going to see next to HP and Compaq computers.
It is a little expensive, it was about the price I would guessed anyway. I don't mind paying for it, yes, I could probably buy *similar* things in a store for cheaper, but you wont end up with a ps2 with linux installed.
Just be happy they are releasing this kit.. would it have been better if they didn't release it at all? Stop bitching, im happy its going to be released, I will pay 200 bucks for it..
So I guess I really don't understand why your bitching, other then the fact that you can bitch..
I dont know if its the case with ps2, I dont think so, but it really doesn't matter because a mod chip can change how the ps2 boots up. The oringinal way looks for something specific, install mod chip, and it no longer looks for that. A lot of games on ps2 are CDS anyway, not DVD, so it cant be a dual layer thing, unless they use a seperate copyright protection scheme on dvd's and cds..
It probably is hogwash about the 2nd layer thing, but the ps2 does 'something' to check on the validity of the cd/dvd. A mod chip fixes that as far as I understand..
I think sony is one of those companies who has a lot of divisions who make good products (mp3 players, stereo's, dvd players, etc) and also a big company who has shareholders, a company who wants to maximize profits, etc..
Generally I like sony and buy sony stuff, I don't agree with everything they do, but its hard to find a company out there who is 100% perfect. We can still bitch at sony for dumb things they do, and buy products from them that are good..
Im kinda the other way around, theres a few games that I would love to see how they looked on a monitor, but trying to get a vga adapter for something as common as rca jacks is tough to find. I ordered one from z64.com, but when the order didn't get here, I called them up, and it sounded like the guy's wife answered, and she told me to callback in 10min heh.
From what I have read though, its setup to run at 1024x768, so it said that a monitor was required, and you could not run it on a tv.
Im also wondering if this hard drive and network adapter is going to be the 'same' as the one sony was going to release by itself. (e.g. Sometime when they come out with a hard drive for ps2, and I can lets say, install some game files to the drive to speed up loading, I wonder if this hard drive will serve the same purpose).
There's already a game out that supports networking, Tony Hawk 3, and they just have drivers built into the game that supports a lot of the USB Networking gizmo's you can get out there.. Ah well we will have to see, im definately getting one though.. =)
Why stop there, your using money, which will at some point end up in the RIAA's hands, no matter what you do about it, so lets just go to a barter system and get it all over with.
Or you could just stop being paranoid about everything. The only people interested in this are those who have already given sony 300 bucks, so that select group of people really shouldn't have any qualms about supporting sony..
With my hacker/geek hat on, I'm kinda disappointed that this won't allow non Sony sanctioned s/w to be produced for the PS2
When you say 'this' I would assume your talking about the linux kit.. why would 'that' not allow non-sony sanctioned (as you put it) software to be made for ps2? The linux kit does come with a hard drive, so theoretically I could create software on my own and save it on my ps2, without any say from sony whatsoever. In fact, I would say this linux kit 'helps' people create software on the playstation 2.. I think its their point =)
animation and 3D, most of the mid range stuff is being ported to OS X, like Maya and Bryce.
I take it your an expert in this field. It makes me sick to see you put one program, Maya, which from www.aliaswavefrontstore.com sells for $7500, in the same sentence as another, Bryce, which sells for 250 bucks, and put them in the same category, Bryce is a toy, its priced as such, and really cannot do anything close to what can be done on a real 3d animation/rendering program..
I myself have done some stuff with Linux, I would consider myself a newbie in it, I use Windows XP mainly, but I still love to learn and read about stuff about linux.
One of the times I had it on my machine, I downloaded Loki's game installer. It was pretty much a menu where I could chose to download any of their demo's and try it, with the ability to buy the product as well.
It was probably one of those most userfriendly, and easiest programs that I used with Linux. Loki was a great company, I just hope someone else decides to follow in their footsteps. By the way, all the games I played on Linux seemed to run quite a bit better there then in Windows, I was pretty amazed.
It seems like no one here understands that Intel and M$ and the other so called "monopolies" have not prevented anyone from being a competitors.
Hmm, im pretty sure I could come up with a pretty large list of things that Microsoft has done to make it harder for someone to compete by making their own operating system. As a small example, Microsofts liscenses they have with OEMS like Dell, Compaq and so on have some interesting things in them. If Dell decides to sell a machine with a non-microsoft operating system on it, they CANNOT sell the SAME model with Windows on it, its against the liscense that Dell signed with Microsoft. If Dell were to do that anyway, Microsoft would then go charge Dell full price on every copy of windows that was liscensed to them, instead of getting it in a large package deal.
Packaging IE with Windows.. They did this to get rid of netscape. They have options where they can use the revenue of Windows to pay for developing newer versions of IE, which pretty much makes it difficult/impossible for another company who just creates browsers to compete, because they don't have the power of having their operating system installed on 99% of all machines sold.
(note, I just got my wisdom teeth taken out this morning, so im not all here =)
Another thing that I think is bad.. Windows XP and all the bundled Microsoft Software within it. If I buy an operating system, which includes.. lets say Windows Media Player, but I use other media players, why should I have to use part of my hard drive to store this program if I will never use it? Same thing goes with Internet Explorer, what if I use Mozilla, and thats it, why should I have to have Internet Explorer on my machine also?
If Microsoft would have done this:
Package Windows XP with 2 cds. The first cd would be the operating system, and some *basic* tools. The second disk would be a Microsoft Applications disk. During the installation of Windows XP, a prompt could come up asking the user, in a very very easy to understand way, if they want to install all the Microsoft Applications with Windows XP. At that point, one could say yes or no, and be on with it. Sure Windows XP needs some sort of html renderer, as a lot of the windows and views require html, but do you need to have a full fledged IE there? I think if they would have done the above, it would have made the Gov't take a second look at a lot of things.
Anyway, I understand what your saying, but if the rest of the breadmakers have a GREAT deal with who makes the MicroToast toaster, because of how rich and powerful the toaster maker is, they aren't going to be convinced your toaster is better unless you also tell them that you have A LOT of money. You think those companys really care if the toast is good or not? They care about getting money, plain and simple. If I wanted to make a new toaster, I would need to get a LOT of money first to be able to do so, or I could not compete, plain and simple. This is what I feel Microsoft does in some ways, and im sure its much worse in reality, and we really don't see much of the evilness that is microsoft..
If you do come up with some sort of procedure to get that key from the foreign entity, then the court would see that as a way for you to provide that key. If you cannot provide that key, then they would place all the blame on you, and you would be held in contempt of the court.
It would be interesting to see what would happen, but I don't think the courts would like it much.
Hmm... I must have forgotten about the law that says there must be some sort of corrilation between the size of the chip in your pc vs. the size of the keyboard/monitor.
Do you think that just because this chip is small, that means that everything it interfaces with must be just as small?
The pentium 4 isn't optimized for either ddr or rambus memory. The motherboard chipset that intel made for their processor uses rambus. My next guess is because rambus wow'd them and they signed an exclusive contract that pretty much made it so you could only use rambus and thats it. Seeing this, intel is going to market the pentium 4 and rambus as a good pair, saying that they work better together, etc.
Like I said, I don't know for a fact if its true, but it seems likely..
Yea, and the fact thaf we went to something like this, people for quite a while would still be driving cars that used gas. Unless our gov't made it a law that you needed to switch your car over, and provided the equipment to do it, then we could see this..
I know many people now that can barely afford a car, would they be in line to switch their car over to hydrogen? I doubt it..
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Oh please, with what 'Captain Kirk' has been up to lately, I say we built a rocketship and send him off in it, we could tell him its one last mission for the Federation =)
You need a monitor that will sync on green to install linux on ps2, but after that you can configure it to run on a tv.. Just thought I would let you know..
Well, EMP weapons are probably legal, unless they have this long list of 'weapons' that aren't. I really don't see why everyone would be frantic to protect their vehicles from everything known to harm vehicles (think small explosives, superglue to keep it on one spot, that foam stuff they use for insulation, the list can go on and on). It would be pretty cool to see someone build a very basic vehicle that had a large hammer type thing on the top, and an EMP generating device. They could take all the vehicles out, and then just go around and pound them into the ground.
Ah well, it should be fun to watch anyway..
Well i don't touch it because it does what you say, not because I *can't* rewind..
Anyway, I do agree that it sucks with cds and dvd's that they get scratched, but I guess I have been pretty lucky when it comes to that, as I rarely see any sort of artifacts when I watch dvd's..
I guess the way I would put it is that I find the tradeoff very much worth it. I would rather have seen DVD's packaged similar to how minidiscs are packaged (similar to a floppy disk I guess you could say) so they wouldn't get scratched up, but you can't get everything it seems..
How many of you wont touch another analog cassette, or VHS tape, because your worried you might have to rewind it?
I figured by the time we hit the year 2000, 'rewinding' would be a thing of the past. I could care less if its nicer looking, sounds better, because DVD really satisfies all my movie needs (I dont agree with who runs the DVD standard but thats a seperate issue). It would have been nice if they used some better compression technique then MPEG2 for DVD, like MPEG4 or something similar, but its already out, and it works. Ah well, Im not going to buy one =)
Its too bad, you could have gotten this ad from adcritic.com, too bad they went under.. =(
IBM's ad's always seem to be pretty good, has anyone looked on IBM.com for any of the ads?
Hmm.. I had forgotten that Sony was portraying this as the cheapest possible way of getting a linux box in your house. Sure you could get something cheaper, sony is not saying you can't.
This is a hobbist tool, not something your going to see next to HP and Compaq computers.
It is a little expensive, it was about the price I would guessed anyway. I don't mind paying for it, yes, I could probably buy *similar* things in a store for cheaper, but you wont end up with a ps2 with linux installed.
Just be happy they are releasing this kit.. would it have been better if they didn't release it at all? Stop bitching, im happy its going to be released, I will pay 200 bucks for it..
So I guess I really don't understand why your bitching, other then the fact that you can bitch..
Im pretty sure WINE doens't emulate anything, it translates Windows API calls.
I dont know if its the case with ps2, I dont think so, but it really doesn't matter because a mod chip can change how the ps2 boots up. The oringinal way looks for something specific, install mod chip, and it no longer looks for that. A lot of games on ps2 are CDS anyway, not DVD, so it cant be a dual layer thing, unless they use a seperate copyright protection scheme on dvd's and cds..
It probably is hogwash about the 2nd layer thing, but the ps2 does 'something' to check on the validity of the cd/dvd. A mod chip fixes that as far as I understand..
I think sony is one of those companies who has a lot of divisions who make good products (mp3 players, stereo's, dvd players, etc) and also a big company who has shareholders, a company who wants to maximize profits, etc..
Generally I like sony and buy sony stuff, I don't agree with everything they do, but its hard to find a company out there who is 100% perfect. We can still bitch at sony for dumb things they do, and buy products from them that are good..
Im kinda the other way around, theres a few games that I would love to see how they looked on a monitor, but trying to get a vga adapter for something as common as rca jacks is tough to find. I ordered one from z64.com, but when the order didn't get here, I called them up, and it sounded like the guy's wife answered, and she told me to callback in 10min heh.
From what I have read though, its setup to run at 1024x768, so it said that a monitor was required, and you could not run it on a tv.
The mod chip just doesn't do the checks on the dvd's/cd's to see if they are legit or not, so all the old original disks should work..
Im also wondering if this hard drive and network adapter is going to be the 'same' as the one sony was going to release by itself. (e.g. Sometime when they come out with a hard drive for ps2, and I can lets say, install some game files to the drive to speed up loading, I wonder if this hard drive will serve the same purpose).
There's already a game out that supports networking, Tony Hawk 3, and they just have drivers built into the game that supports a lot of the USB Networking gizmo's you can get out there.. Ah well we will have to see, im definately getting one though.. =)
Wait until someone posts the binaries.. Didn't think about that did ya?
Why stop there, your using money, which will at some point end up in the RIAA's hands, no matter what you do about it, so lets just go to a barter system and get it all over with.
Or you could just stop being paranoid about everything. The only people interested in this are those who have already given sony 300 bucks, so that select group of people really shouldn't have any qualms about supporting sony..
When you say 'this' I would assume your talking about the linux kit.. why would 'that' not allow non-sony sanctioned (as you put it) software to be made for ps2? The linux kit does come with a hard drive, so theoretically I could create software on my own and save it on my ps2, without any say from sony whatsoever. In fact, I would say this linux kit 'helps' people create software on the playstation 2.. I think its their point =)
I take it your an expert in this field. It makes me sick to see you put one program, Maya, which from www.aliaswavefrontstore.com sells for $7500, in the same sentence as another, Bryce, which sells for 250 bucks, and put them in the same category, Bryce is a toy, its priced as such, and really cannot do anything close to what can be done on a real 3d animation/rendering program..
This actually came from a Microsoft Employee.. interesting nonetheless..
Actually im pretty sure "the new twin-engined G4" is a computer, not a 3d video card. Try again...
I myself have done some stuff with Linux, I would consider myself a newbie in it, I use Windows XP mainly, but I still love to learn and read about stuff about linux.
One of the times I had it on my machine, I downloaded Loki's game installer. It was pretty much a menu where I could chose to download any of their demo's and try it, with the ability to buy the product as well.
It was probably one of those most userfriendly, and easiest programs that I used with Linux. Loki was a great company, I just hope someone else decides to follow in their footsteps. By the way, all the games I played on Linux seemed to run quite a bit better there then in Windows, I was pretty amazed.
Hmm, im pretty sure I could come up with a pretty large list of things that Microsoft has done to make it harder for someone to compete by making their own operating system. As a small example, Microsofts liscenses they have with OEMS like Dell, Compaq and so on have some interesting things in them. If Dell decides to sell a machine with a non-microsoft operating system on it, they CANNOT sell the SAME model with Windows on it, its against the liscense that Dell signed with Microsoft. If Dell were to do that anyway, Microsoft would then go charge Dell full price on every copy of windows that was liscensed to them, instead of getting it in a large package deal.
Packaging IE with Windows.. They did this to get rid of netscape. They have options where they can use the revenue of Windows to pay for developing newer versions of IE, which pretty much makes it difficult/impossible for another company who just creates browsers to compete, because they don't have the power of having their operating system installed on 99% of all machines sold.
(note, I just got my wisdom teeth taken out this morning, so im not all here =) Another thing that I think is bad.. Windows XP and all the bundled Microsoft Software within it. If I buy an operating system, which includes.. lets say Windows Media Player, but I use other media players, why should I have to use part of my hard drive to store this program if I will never use it? Same thing goes with Internet Explorer, what if I use Mozilla, and thats it, why should I have to have Internet Explorer on my machine also?
If Microsoft would have done this:
Package Windows XP with 2 cds. The first cd would be the operating system, and some *basic* tools. The second disk would be a Microsoft Applications disk. During the installation of Windows XP, a prompt could come up asking the user, in a very very easy to understand way, if they want to install all the Microsoft Applications with Windows XP. At that point, one could say yes or no, and be on with it. Sure Windows XP needs some sort of html renderer, as a lot of the windows and views require html, but do you need to have a full fledged IE there? I think if they would have done the above, it would have made the Gov't take a second look at a lot of things.
Anyway, I understand what your saying, but if the rest of the breadmakers have a GREAT deal with who makes the MicroToast toaster, because of how rich and powerful the toaster maker is, they aren't going to be convinced your toaster is better unless you also tell them that you have A LOT of money. You think those companys really care if the toast is good or not? They care about getting money, plain and simple. If I wanted to make a new toaster, I would need to get a LOT of money first to be able to do so, or I could not compete, plain and simple. This is what I feel Microsoft does in some ways, and im sure its much worse in reality, and we really don't see much of the evilness that is microsoft..
Ok off the soap box now..
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Well, this is how I see it.
If you do come up with some sort of procedure to get that key from the foreign entity, then the court would see that as a way for you to provide that key. If you cannot provide that key, then they would place all the blame on you, and you would be held in contempt of the court.
It would be interesting to see what would happen, but I don't think the courts would like it much.
Hmm... I must have forgotten about the law that says there must be some sort of corrilation between the size of the chip in your pc vs. the size of the keyboard/monitor.
Do you think that just because this chip is small, that means that everything it interfaces with must be just as small?
I don't know myself, but this is my guess..
The pentium 4 isn't optimized for either ddr or rambus memory. The motherboard chipset that intel made for their processor uses rambus. My next guess is because rambus wow'd them and they signed an exclusive contract that pretty much made it so you could only use rambus and thats it. Seeing this, intel is going to market the pentium 4 and rambus as a good pair, saying that they work better together, etc.
Like I said, I don't know for a fact if its true, but it seems likely..
Yea, and the fact thaf we went to something like this, people for quite a while would still be driving cars that used gas. Unless our gov't made it a law that you needed to switch your car over, and provided the equipment to do it, then we could see this..
I know many people now that can barely afford a car, would they be in line to switch their car over to hydrogen? I doubt it..