It seems this law isn't wasn't thought completely through or their really that dumb. I'm sure it's to make people feel more safe, and that's why it will go on the books. But anyone with half a brain knows that this easily circumvated by even the not-so-tech-savvie user. They should just not be permitted to have a computer, or if they need one for a job or use one for a job, not permitted to user internet. If the need to send out an e-mail from work the law should say that the employer should flag the e-mail for that person and make sure it's appropiate. Before you go on the privacy kick...corporate e-mail is corporate company.
Ugh, it has to be mentioned I suppose.......they do still have rights. And I suppose some of them really do get reformed in prison. I'm not saying they should get rights of privacy (or at the risk of flamebait, the right to life after the undoubtful conviction), but in America, I suppose they deserve some?
They could just ban them from a using a comptuer. Period. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. And yes I know they could just go to a library or internet cafe or what have you, but those could have logs. And names, and again I know they don't have to use their real one, would be logged in a paper log to what computer. Yes, I know I've poked wholes in my own idea. It isn't perfect. But we've banned men in NYC from being in a park alone (not having children or what have you), and in this day and age, maybe we should ban them from using computers?
ugh I know this is an old story and I saw it meta moderating. But for U2 to be broke and starving is the most insane thing I've ever read. Some musicians are just hypocritical morons.
You may be interested in How Much WIll Windows Security Matter which I posted as well, and is still pending as of this post. It sort of goes over the security fixes that MS has does for Vista and what not but it seems to stress on internet security...
So this is what it will boil down to in the end? The "Do All Evil" against the "Do No Evil"? Picture the end of the Matrix 3 as they SMith and Neo fly at each other. What an image this would be!
So the future is the web, we will in the future all pay a monthly fee and access our documents and media on-line (where consequently it easier to control what we have access to).
That's an interesting point I never thought of. On top of that...who would get the money? The ISP? Google? MS? Imagine that cash flow. Or maybe all of them. We pay the ISP.....but to use Office now you pay MS too. And then to get your e-mail you pay Google? So your statement of paying through the nose (which I didn't paste here) brings on a whole new meaning?
Was the rep made aware that he was being recorded like we are when we call most type of support department, weather it being bill or technical or whatever?
But the point was that everbody is focusing on the obvious possible IP discussions and one really cares, or knows, what the deal can really mean for Linux. It could possibly be a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Everything I've read by Novell in responce to the criticism from the OS community tells me that this article means nothing. Had this article came out when the deal first happened it would be different but now that Novell has communicated that they didnt' want the IP clauses in it and they actually want to make MS and Linux easier to work together I don't believe this article. It just fuels the fud factories. Novell wanted to get MS to actually allow the Visual Studios and Office on a Linux platform. Stuff like that. This deal is to form a bridge between 2 companies that really should work together instead of figthing. Imagine a world where MS and Linux worked even 25% together than they do now. Here is an open letter to the community by Novell. And other releases.
If you have a problem and need support with LiVES, there are several ways to request it. Firstly, you can log a bug or a feature request on the sourceforge project page for LiVES.
That's from the LiVES website. They ask for donations. Last I checked Suse was still a version of linux, so anyone that's donated to LiVES and uses Suse should still get support. It's fair. I have the choice to use whatever version of Linux I want and if I donated money, I should get support any way.
In fact, if Microsoft is wrong, and your software is, in fact, properly licensed, you probably will be forced to buy a license to another copy of the operating system from Microsoft just to be able to get access to your files, and then you can sue Microsoft for the original license fee."
I'd be willing to bet that it would never get this far and MS would just take care of it. They wouldn't be afraid of someone suing them over a license. That's petty to them. Maybe if a company sued because their software was legal and got a false positive on being illegal and it caused down time, now that's something to sue about. It's a shame that Microsoft doesn't care about their customers enough to make sure things like this wouldn't happen.
You would think all the people touting about the problems in Linux interoperability with Micro Soft software would embrace this deal for this...if this is what it is. I've thought this is what it would be when I first heard of the deal. Novell is a business. If they want their software to work with a competitor without a headache, it only makes sense that they would set up some kind of agreement?
Really, wouldn't this have to be a collective law suit with linux developers who created such tools as samba and mono and the like? And wouldn't it really fall on Linus?
I'm still using a 40 Gig HDD that came with a HP system (not in the same system any more) for the last 5 years. It's a Seagate. But I've used other drives that I've simply disposed of due to limited size and space in the tower that lasted for even longer.
This cancerous scheme will definitely push many hard core Linux users into one distribution
I don't think it's gonna be a problem for individual hard core users. I think it may force businesses into one distro, but isn't that already the case due to the fact you can buy support from RH (and apparently Oracle) and Suse? (I know I know debian is widely out there too) I don't think to many production servers are running ubuntu or slack.
I don't like Red Hat any more. They do to many things that are just broken. Ubuntu is neat, but for something that has commercial-grade support, I'll stick with Suse. Also I would never run Fedora on a production machine. No matter what Red Hat says, it is Beta for RHEL.
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It seems this law isn't wasn't thought completely through or their really that dumb. I'm sure it's to make people feel more safe, and that's why it will go on the books. But anyone with half a brain knows that this easily circumvated by even the not-so-tech-savvie user. They should just not be permitted to have a computer, or if they need one for a job or use one for a job, not permitted to user internet. If the need to send out an e-mail from work the law should say that the employer should flag the e-mail for that person and make sure it's appropiate. Before you go on the privacy kick...corporate e-mail is corporate company.
Ugh, it has to be mentioned I suppose.......they do still have rights. And I suppose some of them really do get reformed in prison. I'm not saying they should get rights of privacy (or at the risk of flamebait, the right to life after the undoubtful conviction), but in America, I suppose they deserve some?
They could just ban them from a using a comptuer. Period. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. And yes I know they could just go to a library or internet cafe or what have you, but those could have logs. And names, and again I know they don't have to use their real one, would be logged in a paper log to what computer. Yes, I know I've poked wholes in my own idea. It isn't perfect. But we've banned men in NYC from being in a park alone (not having children or what have you), and in this day and age, maybe we should ban them from using computers?
ugh I know this is an old story and I saw it meta moderating. But for U2 to be broke and starving is the most insane thing I've ever read. Some musicians are just hypocritical morons.
At least their user friendly
Gotta use a green costume :)
You may be interested in How Much WIll Windows Security Matter which I posted as well, and is still pending as of this post. It sort of goes over the security fixes that MS has does for Vista and what not but it seems to stress on internet security...
So this is what it will boil down to in the end? The "Do All Evil" against the "Do No Evil"? Picture the end of the Matrix 3 as they SMith and Neo fly at each other. What an image this would be!
That's an interesting point I never thought of. On top of that...who would get the money? The ISP? Google? MS? Imagine that cash flow. Or maybe all of them. We pay the ISP.....but to use Office now you pay MS too. And then to get your e-mail you pay Google? So your statement of paying through the nose (which I didn't paste here) brings on a whole new meaning?
Was the rep made aware that he was being recorded like we are when we call most type of support department, weather it being bill or technical or whatever?
But the point was that everbody is focusing on the obvious possible IP discussions and one really cares, or knows, what the deal can really mean for Linux. It could possibly be a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Everything I've read by Novell in responce to the criticism from the OS community tells me that this article means nothing. Had this article came out when the deal first happened it would be different but now that Novell has communicated that they didnt' want the IP clauses in it and they actually want to make MS and Linux easier to work together I don't believe this article. It just fuels the fud factories. Novell wanted to get MS to actually allow the Visual Studios and Office on a Linux platform. Stuff like that. This deal is to form a bridge between 2 companies that really should work together instead of figthing. Imagine a world where MS and Linux worked even 25% together than they do now. Here is an open letter to the community by Novell. And other releases.
Is he calling the developers to come because of the ethics of the deal OR selfishness reasons that they need developers?
That's from the LiVES website. They ask for donations. Last I checked Suse was still a version of linux, so anyone that's donated to LiVES and uses Suse should still get support. It's fair. I have the choice to use whatever version of Linux I want and if I donated money, I should get support any way.
I'd be willing to bet that it would never get this far and MS would just take care of it. They wouldn't be afraid of someone suing them over a license. That's petty to them. Maybe if a company sued because their software was legal and got a false positive on being illegal and it caused down time, now that's something to sue about. It's a shame that Microsoft doesn't care about their customers enough to make sure things like this wouldn't happen.
There was a post before on here about the FBI investigating the LAPD for brutality. You would think that would make them calm down a little?
Now, why do you have to bring the muppets into this?
I thought that was covered in the N/M Agreement.
You would think all the people touting about the problems in Linux interoperability with Micro Soft software would embrace this deal for this...if this is what it is. I've thought this is what it would be when I first heard of the deal. Novell is a business. If they want their software to work with a competitor without a headache, it only makes sense that they would set up some kind of agreement?
Really, wouldn't this have to be a collective law suit with linux developers who created such tools as samba and mono and the like? And wouldn't it really fall on Linus?
I dropped them off at the closest community recycle group where anything and everything gets used by someone else who can use it.
I'm still using a 40 Gig HDD that came with a HP system (not in the same system any more) for the last 5 years. It's a Seagate. But I've used other drives that I've simply disposed of due to limited size and space in the tower that lasted for even longer.
I don't think it's gonna be a problem for individual hard core users. I think it may force businesses into one distro, but isn't that already the case due to the fact you can buy support from RH (and apparently Oracle) and Suse? (I know I know debian is widely out there too) I don't think to many production servers are running ubuntu or slack.
I don't like Red Hat any more. They do to many things that are just broken. Ubuntu is neat, but for something that has commercial-grade support, I'll stick with Suse. Also I would never run Fedora on a production machine. No matter what Red Hat says, it is Beta for RHEL.
My office opens word perfect program pretty easily actually...