Maybe you're trying to be funny, but do you really think Samba will go away? It's come a long way over the last few years and I think Samba is here to stay.
I would like to see a unified package system for Linux as well. Its just a pain in the ass having to compile programs from one system to another. especially when working in the server room wher i just want things to work the best they can without fuss.
I guess I'm just naive, but I'm hoping this is what the deal will bring. Everyone crying to drop Suse over this. Let's see where this goes.
I think samba's actually a pretty big player in the field. And I think maybe Samba may be one of the things Microsoft is after. Even though Novell has the not-so-free e-directory, Samba is a big player for network interoperability.
On a unrelated note, I'd like to hear Linus's take on this agreement. He's been kind of quiet.
I think everyone is getting bent out of shape over this agreement. I don't like Microsoft either. But let's be honest with ourselves. Windows is on the desktop. Windows in the enterprise. Most Secretaries have a Windows desktop at work. So if this agreement can allow Linux and MS to finally actually talk to each other, so be it. I think the whole thing about patent is fud. MS lost as well with SCO, so this is their way to try to stay in that game. Looking past that, though, I think it could be a very good thing for hybrid networks.
I'm not sure it does. And the little rant posted my Petreley doesn't do this situation any good. Suse will still be Suse. It will still be released under the GPL. From what I can attain from what I've read, it seems that this should be able to make hybrid network systems easier to maintain and set Suse as a standard in the enterprise.
Sometimes Mister Petreley's rants are informed in the Linux Journal/var/opinion. Sometimes not. He quotes in the first part of his rant from the Novell Agreement FAQ:
Novell makes no admission that its Linux and open source offerings infringe on any other parties' patents.
Then he goes on to say near the end:
Take Novell to court over its violation of section 7 of the GPL.
However question #1 in the FAQ is: How is this agreement compatible with Novell's obligations under Section 7 of the GPL? and the reply is:
Our agreement with Microsoft is focused on our customers, and does not include a patent license or covenant not to sue from Microsoft to Novell (or, for that matter, from Novell to Microsoft). Novell's customers receive a covenant not to sue directly from Microsoft. We have not agreed with Microsoft to any condition that would contradict the conditions of the GPL and we are in full compliance.
Novell's end user customers receive a covenant not to sue directly from Microsoft for their use of Novell products and services, but these activities are outside the scope of the GPL.
It also goes on to say that there was no threat of a law suit. so if he's going to call for lawyers to go after Novell for breaching the section 7 of the GPL.........maybe he should get some proof that they did?
Q1. How is this agreement compatible with Novell's obligations under Section 7 of the GPL?
Our agreement with Microsoft is focused on our customers, and does not include a patent license or covenant not to sue from Microsoft to Novell (or, for that matter, from Novell to Microsoft). Novell's customers receive a covenant not to sue directly from Microsoft. We have not agreed with Microsoft to any condition that would contradict the conditions of the GPL and we are in full compliance.
Novell's end user customers receive a covenant not to sue directly from Microsoft for their use of Novell products and services, but these activities are outside the scope of the GPL.
Which isn't really a bad thing. I like Suse, I've been impressed by their products. As long as Microsoft doesn't do any developing of linux (not for, but of) this could be alright. It may even lead to a standard that linux geeks have been hoping for to bring it to the desktop having a universal uniform installation packages and maybe less crap with dependacies.
I recently found a major security flaw through serendipitous independent research
You want use to believe this? That's like saying you were walking along and just happened to notice your neighbor's door unlocked? Why would you be trying the door? Why would you be doing anything to find this security flaw? I don't think most people unmaliciously research things and happen to stumble on a security flaw? The tone of your post is you want to make money. You want ideas to extort without calling it extortion?
I'm confused in why this is modded interesting under this thread? It is interesting but this would be the wrong thread to post it.....so off topic maybe? Unfortunately I agree with all your comments, but some arguments need to be made in certain threads.
But it also brings up an interesting point. He states that people are familiar with the IE logo for many years. Now if my computer booted and asked what browser I wanted, I would check Firefox. I have Opera installed but for somethings it's just plain broke. I understand the pitfalls of IE so I don't want to use it except if I want to watch a video or two that just will not work in FF. Now, FF is getting more and more known. My friends have asked me lately what it is and they aren't geeks like us nor are most of their friends. I'm the resident geek among my cliche. Okay so to summ up my ramblings......if word about FF isn't spread to the ignorant, then they'll just go with that they know.
Programs like Doctors with out Borders could use it in 3rd world countries. Also in natural disasters like Katrina it could be used for command posts (kind of along the military idea you mentioned). Also it could be good to rent out to help get businesses back on their feet after disasters.
I guess if I were still a bartender, this would be a necessity in solving bar disputes before they escalate to fisticuffs."
It would sure help with some mixed drinks you may not be familiar with. We have one around here called the 3rd Reich and some of the bar tenders don't yet know how to make it.
The letters have to be sorted anyway, so just add in a step of the process to have someone calculate the charge for me and bill me. Come to think of it, why hasn't this been done yet?
Find the nearest drop point (which are getting scarcer, judging by this article)
Surely there's a blue box in close proximity? I have an old fashioned mailbox because I live in the country but even still there's at least 3 blue boxes in a 1 mile radius.
infact I just saw one at work in the break room...3 of them actually. And there's one at the local Burger King. and the gas station down the road......
Or is it just that it's no ones business who was in an accident other than the parties envolved? If I wrecked on I-81 (that's the closest highway in PA for me) who needs to know that? And don't say it's for traffic either, most radio stations do traffic on the hour.
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Maybe you're trying to be funny, but do you really think Samba will go away? It's come a long way over the last few years and I think Samba is here to stay.
Wrong. MSFT is a snake.
I guess I'm just naive, but I'm hoping this is what the deal will bring. Everyone crying to drop Suse over this. Let's see where this goes.
I think samba's actually a pretty big player in the field. And I think maybe Samba may be one of the things Microsoft is after. Even though Novell has the not-so-free e-directory, Samba is a big player for network interoperability.
On a unrelated note, I'd like to hear Linus's take on this agreement. He's been kind of quiet.
Because they said they wouldn't in the agreement.
I think everyone is getting bent out of shape over this agreement. I don't like Microsoft either. But let's be honest with ourselves. Windows is on the desktop. Windows in the enterprise. Most Secretaries have a Windows desktop at work. So if this agreement can allow Linux and MS to finally actually talk to each other, so be it. I think the whole thing about patent is fud. MS lost as well with SCO, so this is their way to try to stay in that game. Looking past that, though, I think it could be a very good thing for hybrid networks.
I'm not sure it does. And the little rant posted my Petreley doesn't do this situation any good. Suse will still be Suse. It will still be released under the GPL. From what I can attain from what I've read, it seems that this should be able to make hybrid network systems easier to maintain and set Suse as a standard in the enterprise.
Then he goes on to say near the end:
However question #1 in the FAQ is: How is this agreement compatible with Novell's obligations under Section 7 of the GPL? and the reply is:
It also goes on to say that there was no threat of a law suit. so if he's going to call for lawyers to go after Novell for breaching the section 7 of the GPL.........maybe he should get some proof that they did?
Which isn't really a bad thing. I like Suse, I've been impressed by their products. As long as Microsoft doesn't do any developing of linux (not for, but of) this could be alright. It may even lead to a standard that linux geeks have been hoping for to bring it to the desktop having a universal uniform installation packages and maybe less crap with dependacies.
Right....but it just seems dumb to download a program from a web site that is known for information and not for actual patches and what not.
I'm confused why someone would download a file from wikipedia? Read the article, fine. But why would you download something from it?
Funny, I thought it was the kernel developers that make the vanilla code and other software developers that Red Hat modifies for their use?
Right, and you bought the padlocks for your company. You weren't just tugging on padlocks randomly.
You want use to believe this? That's like saying you were walking along and just happened to notice your neighbor's door unlocked? Why would you be trying the door? Why would you be doing anything to find this security flaw? I don't think most people unmaliciously research things and happen to stumble on a security flaw? The tone of your post is you want to make money. You want ideas to extort without calling it extortion?
I'm confused in why this is modded interesting under this thread? It is interesting but this would be the wrong thread to post it.....so off topic maybe? Unfortunately I agree with all your comments, but some arguments need to be made in certain threads.
They'll end up buying Red Hat
But it also brings up an interesting point. He states that people are familiar with the IE logo for many years. Now if my computer booted and asked what browser I wanted, I would check Firefox. I have Opera installed but for somethings it's just plain broke. I understand the pitfalls of IE so I don't want to use it except if I want to watch a video or two that just will not work in FF. Now, FF is getting more and more known. My friends have asked me lately what it is and they aren't geeks like us nor are most of their friends. I'm the resident geek among my cliche. Okay so to summ up my ramblings......if word about FF isn't spread to the ignorant, then they'll just go with that they know.
I stumbled upon this link you may be able to pull the electronic version of the book from somewhere... I don't know if this helps.
Programs like Doctors with out Borders could use it in 3rd world countries. Also in natural disasters like Katrina it could be used for command posts (kind of along the military idea you mentioned). Also it could be good to rent out to help get businesses back on their feet after disasters.
What I want, if at all posible, is the choice to run which anti malware systems I choose.
Not only to chose which one you want, but it should be easy to install the one you want easily as well.
Surely there's a blue box in close proximity? I have an old fashioned mailbox because I live in the country but even still there's at least 3 blue boxes in a 1 mile radius.
Actually I live in a very rural area. Mostly farms. That's why so little phones.
This.
infact I just saw one at work in the break room...3 of them actually. And there's one at the local Burger King. and the gas station down the road......
Or is it just that it's no ones business who was in an accident other than the parties envolved? If I wrecked on I-81 (that's the closest highway in PA for me) who needs to know that? And don't say it's for traffic either, most radio stations do traffic on the hour.