Just have use a bootdisk, and forget installing lilo... You might be able to get lilo and xp to play nicely, but why risk pulling your hair out? Booting off a floppy is a fairly fast. Plus buildings kernels is still easy... "make bzdisk"
Of course, there is the danger of typing on the wrong keyboard.
Tell me about it, this is especially dangerous when you have two linux machines and decide to reboot one with the three finger salute. With my setup, I have two monitors and two mice, and I use a hella cheap kvm switch to share a keyboard. So it's easy to forget what machine has the keyboard. Anyhoo, I was on the wrong machine, luckily the three finger salute doesn't work when you're in X, or so I found out. Either that, or I didn't quite get all three keys down right.
I personally find that my setup as I explained above pretty nice. If I want to just pop in on another computer, it much easier to use vnc for windows or just ssh. Although I only run linux at home now, so it's just ssh.
Btw, cheap kvm's do fine for switching just keyboard. The cables probably cost more than the switch itself.:)
Are you kidding me?!? The PROBLEM is the wide open by default installs that MS insists on doing. When you install apache does it have SSI, perl cgi, install sample scripts, etc turned on by default? Hell no. You have to TRY to make apache insecure by turning on stuff.
If MS's "security team" would just think a bit more and fight the "user friendlyness" team a bit more on default install issues, then they wouldn't be having so much trouble.
Microsoft has to stop and think who their admins are. They're clueless. People are always going to be stupid, so don't try to change that, that's fighting an uphill battle. Lock down stuff by default and have warnings when you turn stuff on.
Linux might very well run into this same problem as it becomes more user friendly. Redhat worm anybody? The obvious solution is secure by default, have servers listen on port 80 only by default on install, workstations listen only on ident maybe. Admins and users will have to learn about each service and turn it on as they go, hopefully learning a bit as they go... basically FORCING people to learn and hence not being so ignorant.
MS will never do this though, as they take pride on keep hitting enter to install, and everything will just magically work. Hopefully linux can find a happy medium.
I guess fortunately redhat has a different start up script directory structure, so you can just roast your/etc/rc.d/ directory when you go from redhat->debian. Kinda conventient so your redhat start up stuff wont stomp on debian's.
I personally only kept/etc files that were hard to config/can't replace easily, like smb.cfg, my ssh key files, my httpd.conf (not in etc, but hey) oh and also/etc/my.cnf (mysql config file)
I love being able to have a barebones debian box with nothing but networking and then apt-get installing the essentials, such as gcc, XFree86, WindowMaker, mozilla, gentoo, etc That way I know exactly what's running, because I put it there.:)
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I was looking for a device almost exactly like this yesterday, heh. I can swing $600 easy, but I can't find any place that actually sells these things. Can anyone find these things actually for sale? Or even anything else like it for sale and in stock?
Is it practical? I'll get back to you on that one, I'd like to actually use one first. A new toy? Definitely.
I'm not really sure a distro swapping tool would work so hot, and you're probably not going to find anyone willing to write such a nightmare of a tool for free.:) I think a stardard format of sorts is the best way to go, but it's even that's gonna be a bear. This wouldn't be a problem if everyone would just run Debian.:)
My personal solution is to tar up your/home and/usr/local and/usr/src directory, (plus whatever directories that you put specifically put files in) and then move the files over to your new install after you're up and running. I did the Redhat->Debian switch maybe 2 years ago and this is what I did with pretty good success. To tar up a directory do something like (as root):
cd/; tar zcvf home.tar.gz home
to extract (as root):
cd/; mv home home.old; tar zxvf home.tar.gz
(sorry if I just insulted your intelligence with those commands:)
Debian likes to store your prefs in it's database of knowledge and then create config files on the fly whenever you upgrade a package, so just copying over your config files for each application probably isn't going to help a whole lot and you'll have lots of headaches trying something like this.
Most of your user prefs should be in dot files (gimp prefs, icq login info, etc) in your home directory, so if you back that up you should hopefully be fine for the most part.
Hey, no one every said linux was easy.:) Btw, I haven't once regretted switching from Redhat to Debian, the apt-get functionality is simply a beautiful tool.
I agree with you totally. In fact, I refuse to go see the movie for the sole reason that the WTC was removed, I'm just glad I found out from this article and didn't go ballistic inside the movie theater.
This reminds me of things that the Romans did, going around and chipping off the faces of previous Emperors, it's sad really.
Embrace the past, learn from it.
FYI, This guy's sig point to file:///dev/mouse
I was courageous enough to click and it didn't do anything to mozilla, what's it supposed to do? Some sort of exploit I presume?
The filesizes that I posted are right for linux versions, and are correct.
libgtk1.2 is ~615k while libglib1.2 (required by gtk) is ~61k. Plus the dev.debs, probably not much bigger. (I already closed that window and I'm lazy, heh) Most importantly I have all of these.debs already installed, as nearly all my applications I run are gtk based. People who say that linux doesn't have standard toolkit/feel aren't running the right programs IMHO.:) (I don't use gnome or kde, I use windowmaker only).
My desktop screenshot can be found here, for the curious.
And the speed all matters on how fast of a computer your linux box is. Some of still don't have exactly top notch hardware, or a top notch internet connection for that matter.:)
My main gripe I guess is that no one is programming things like microsoft office or photoshop for java. Why is that? Too slow? Licensing too restrictive? Because the public (like me) wouldn't accept it as a real competitor? People see it as an additional thing to insta/run? Too big of a memory footprint? Or What?
Aparently no one's tried downloading anything with mozilla, because both the JRE 1.3.bin file and the limewire.bin file open up as plain text in mozilla. Sun uses a form submit to download from an ftp server, why? And the cnet auto refreshes to an ftp server, I'm never given a link so I can right click donwload or copy the ftp urls to the clipboard to download using snarf. I had to hit stop on each ftp download, and copy the url from the location bar.
After awhile of fighting, I figured out that I need to add the jre bin dir to my path to make limewire run. (This isn't in the jre install notes at all).
Now there's the jre 1.3x and 1.4x, limewire doesn't work with 1.4x, so if I have a 1.4x java program I need to have both jre's installed in running. The memory footprint of the jre 1.3 according to top is 30 meg, yikes! gtk-gnutella is 3 meg.
Now I'm not saying that gtk-gnutella is the perfect program, far from it. But recently the gtk/glib libraries for win32 are becomming pretty good. I've seen a few cross platform programs linux/win32 using these graphic toolkits. www.videolan.org (dvd player for any os out there) is one of them that comes to mind right away.
It looks like gtk-gnutella is actually starting to be worked on again. It's on sourceforge now with two recent releases on the 12th and 20th of sept 2001.
Is it me, or is everyone else reluctant to download some slow java program with a klunky ui that's 3.44 meg plus the 14.4 meg JRE 1.3; over a lean, mean gtk version that's a 157k download that I can set up with./configure; make install?
I mean, I wish the limewire people the best, they've obviously put in a lot of hard work and long hours, but it just pains me to see a program that big and inefficient. Is it ever going to be possible to compile a java programs into small to medium sized, standalone executables? I realize you normally need to have the java virtual machine running, but this just seems... messy.
All you java advocates, this is your chance to defend your language of choice and explain it to me and the rest of the/. crowd.:)
And yes, I have used limewire before, albeit quite awhile ago.
Sure, this is a little bit off topic, but how often can you say yay, another program is open sourced.;)
Here here, it's not like there's any official mirror list that I know of anyway. Id's always been kinda slack on the web page updates.
Hrm, after looking I guess there is a mirror list on the www.castlewolfenstein.com, it can be found here
btw, it's id. They've never done that funky thing with caps that people like to do. Just fyi:)
I think his point is that you can't read it. Very good encryptions schemes already exist, and no matter how you hard you try to outlaw encryption schemes, there's absolutely no way you can get rid of already existing/working programs. I have pgp and debian backed up on cdrom, just try and take that away from me. There's no way the computer saavy crow is going to accept/use a backdoored encryption scheme. You'll just force encryption underground much like alcohol in the 1920's. It WILL still exist.
Sorry most of this rant isn't at aimed at you. This is just a convenient place for me to vent.:)
Just because Linux viruses are less prevalent than Windows viruses doesn't mean that the Linux platform is invulnerable.
No, it means they're less prevalent, like you said. Why bother trying to protect your machine against something that doesn't exist? There's no serious linux virus out there, period. Ramen noodle worms don't count, as long as this guy installs all the latest updates, he'll be fine.
I've been running linux since '96, I've yet to feel the need to virus protection program, but I ALWAYS run one on my windows machines, and they've saved my ass more than once.
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ahh yeah, I guess prop fuel and jet fuel would be different entirely, gotta love slashdot, there's always so many people here to set you straight when you get your information wrong (which I like:)
True, but still as I'm sure you're aware, the winner of the popular vote does not a president make.
For the same reasons you don't add up all the runs at the end of game seven of the world series. Because 1, those are not the rules. And 2, those rules are that way for reason.
The reasons for this are beyond the scope of my little blurb, but it just kills a lot of people, including RMS still don't "get it".
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Normal fuel probably meaning regular unleaded at the pump for cars. Jet fuel has much higher octane rating than "normal" fuel so it has more energy, and you don't have to put as much of it in the plane.
As mentioned above, yes ALSA supports hardware mixing. When you have the ALSA drivers running, and one of the magical sound cards, then more than one program can essentially use/dev/dsp at once. I've been digging for about 30 minutes now and still can't find a list of cards that support hardware mixing. So here's the cards that I KNOW support hardware mixing:
ymf724 pci based cards
ymf744 pci based cards, it's essentially a ymf724 but it has digital out, and 4 channel out
SB Live
Trident 4DWave
I own two ymf724's and a ymf744, great cards, they sound great, and they're cheap:) The ymf744and ymf724 have issues with quake3, it hangs on exit:( But you can just kill off the process luckily. This is with the latest.9.0beta7 drivers, the.5.x drivers don't have any noticeable issues though.
And the MPAA works for whom? And the backend movie production people work for whom? And since when did "merely being an employee" of some group make you not part of that group?
Just because I work for someone doesn't mean I agree with them. And just because some entity is supposed to "represent" me, doesn't mean it does so in every way. Take a look at the Gov't, I vote for the guys, but did I ask for the DMCA, do I agree with it, can I do anything about getting it repealed? No, no, and not easily. There are a lot of great, real movie companies, directors, etc out there that I'm sure hate MPAA very much.
Nobody's suggesting force and violence. That doesn't mean we should help them out. This is providing something for nothing in return - indeed, it's going to the very extreme, taking the schoolyard bully who's just given you a bloody nose and offering to clean his shoes for him.
Ok, I dunno where I got force and violence from, but my point is, that to make enemy not hate us (the linux community) anymore, we have to give them a reason not to hate us. And more to the point, give them a reason to want us around. If they start being a part of the community, then they might relate with us and see the whole dvd thing/whatever from our side of the fence.
I don't see what money has to do with it. If the movie industry begins seeing Linux as an asset and not a threat, then in general they might starting being a part of the community and see just why software should be free.... It's a long shot but hey... It never hurt anyone to hope, did it?
This is the same hollywood that's absolutely 100% against any mainstream efforts to allow Linux users to watch DVDs
No, it's not the same Hollywood. The one's against DVDs under linux are the MPAA. The one's who are going to/might use linux are the backend movie production people, or whatever. IBM are the people who are making it possible by releasing cool software.
I don't want to see Linux helping an industry that is so negative about open source and ideologically committed to its destruction.
On the contrary, I'd love to see Linux help the movie industry out. Because if they do, then the movie industry might actually see how great linux is and be much more kind to us (the linux community) in general. The best way to get rid of an enemy is to make friends with him, not through force and violence.
I can't prevent it from happening, that's what a free operating system is all about after all,
No you can't, thank god.
Also please try to keep in mind that Hollywood and the movie industry contains two types of people, lawyers, and not lawyers. So please just be mad at the MPAA, not whole damn industry.
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Just have use a bootdisk, and forget installing lilo... You might be able to get lilo and xp to play nicely, but why risk pulling your hair out? Booting off a floppy is a fairly fast. Plus buildings kernels is still easy... "make bzdisk"
Tell me about it, this is especially dangerous when you have two linux machines and decide to reboot one with the three finger salute. With my setup, I have two monitors and two mice, and I use a hella cheap kvm switch to share a keyboard. So it's easy to forget what machine has the keyboard. Anyhoo, I was on the wrong machine, luckily the three finger salute doesn't work when you're in X, or so I found out. Either that, or I didn't quite get all three keys down right.
I personally find that my setup as I explained above pretty nice. If I want to just pop in on another computer, it much easier to use vnc for windows or just ssh. Although I only run linux at home now, so it's just ssh.
Btw, cheap kvm's do fine for switching just keyboard. The cables probably cost more than the switch itself. :)
The main problem is clueless admins
Are you kidding me?!? The PROBLEM is the wide open by default installs that MS insists on doing. When you install apache does it have SSI, perl cgi, install sample scripts, etc turned on by default? Hell no. You have to TRY to make apache insecure by turning on stuff.
If MS's "security team" would just think a bit more and fight the "user friendlyness" team a bit more on default install issues, then they wouldn't be having so much trouble.
Microsoft has to stop and think who their admins are. They're clueless. People are always going to be stupid, so don't try to change that, that's fighting an uphill battle. Lock down stuff by default and have warnings when you turn stuff on.
Linux might very well run into this same problem as it becomes more user friendly. Redhat worm anybody? The obvious solution is secure by default, have servers listen on port 80 only by default on install, workstations listen only on ident maybe. Admins and users will have to learn about each service and turn it on as they go, hopefully learning a bit as they go... basically FORCING people to learn and hence not being so ignorant.
MS will never do this though, as they take pride on keep hitting enter to install, and everything will just magically work. Hopefully linux can find a happy medium.
I personally only kept /etc files that were hard to config/can't replace easily, like smb.cfg, my ssh key files, my httpd.conf (not in etc, but hey) oh and also /etc/my.cnf (mysql config file)
I love being able to have a barebones debian box with nothing but networking and then apt-get installing the essentials, such as gcc, XFree86, WindowMaker, mozilla, gentoo, etc That way I know exactly what's running, because I put it there. :)
Is it practical? I'll get back to you on that one, I'd like to actually use one first. A new toy? Definitely.
I'm not really sure a distro swapping tool would work so hot, and you're probably not going to find anyone willing to write such a nightmare of a tool for free. :) I think a stardard format of sorts is the best way to go, but it's even that's gonna be a bear. This wouldn't be a problem if everyone would just run Debian. :)
/home and /usr/local and /usr/src directory, (plus whatever directories that you put specifically put files in) and then move the files over to your new install after you're up and running. I did the Redhat->Debian switch maybe 2 years ago and this is what I did with pretty good success. To tar up a directory do something like (as root):
/; tar zcvf home.tar.gz home
/; mv home home.old; tar zxvf home.tar.gz
:)
:) Btw, I haven't once regretted switching from Redhat to Debian, the apt-get functionality is simply a beautiful tool.
My personal solution is to tar up your
cd
to extract (as root):
cd
(sorry if I just insulted your intelligence with those commands
Debian likes to store your prefs in it's database of knowledge and then create config files on the fly whenever you upgrade a package, so just copying over your config files for each application probably isn't going to help a whole lot and you'll have lots of headaches trying something like this.
Most of your user prefs should be in dot files (gimp prefs, icq login info, etc) in your home directory, so if you back that up you should hopefully be fine for the most part.
Hey, no one every said linux was easy.
I'm gonna patent "thinking" it's sure as hell is non -obvious to a lot of people. :)
http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/3094-1.htm
The first two cards on this link are actually gf2 cards, yay pricewatch. Hasn't the price drop really taken effect yet?
$245 for a video card is painful, but once they come under $200, that's my magical upgrade number.
I agree with you totally. In fact, I refuse to go see the movie for the sole reason that the WTC was removed, I'm just glad I found out from this article and didn't go ballistic inside the movie theater. This reminds me of things that the Romans did, going around and chipping off the faces of previous Emperors, it's sad really. Embrace the past, learn from it.
FYI, This guy's sig point to file:///dev/mouse I was courageous enough to click and it didn't do anything to mozilla, what's it supposed to do? Some sort of exploit I presume?
libgtk1.2 is ~615k while libglib1.2 (required by gtk) is ~61k. Plus the dev .debs, probably not much bigger. (I already closed that window and I'm lazy, heh) Most importantly I have all of these .debs already installed, as nearly all my applications I run are gtk based. People who say that linux doesn't have standard toolkit/feel aren't running the right programs IMHO. :) (I don't use gnome or kde, I use windowmaker only).
My desktop screenshot can be found here, for the curious.
And the speed all matters on how fast of a computer your linux box is. Some of still don't have exactly top notch hardware, or a top notch internet connection for that matter. :)
My main gripe I guess is that no one is programming things like microsoft office or photoshop for java. Why is that? Too slow? Licensing too restrictive? Because the public (like me) wouldn't accept it as a real competitor? People see it as an additional thing to insta/run? Too big of a memory footprint? Or What?
Aparently no one's tried downloading anything with mozilla, because both the JRE 1.3 .bin file and the limewire .bin file open up as plain text in mozilla. Sun uses a form submit to download from an ftp server, why? And the cnet auto refreshes to an ftp server, I'm never given a link so I can right click donwload or copy the ftp urls to the clipboard to download using snarf. I had to hit stop on each ftp download, and copy the url from the location bar.
After awhile of fighting, I figured out that I need to add the jre bin dir to my path to make limewire run. (This isn't in the jre install notes at all). Now there's the jre 1.3x and 1.4x, limewire doesn't work with 1.4x, so if I have a 1.4x java program I need to have both jre's installed in running. The memory footprint of the jre 1.3 according to top is 30 meg, yikes! gtk-gnutella is 3 meg.
Now I'm not saying that gtk-gnutella is the perfect program, far from it. But recently the gtk/glib libraries for win32 are becomming pretty good. I've seen a few cross platform programs linux/win32 using these graphic toolkits. www.videolan.org (dvd player for any os out there) is one of them that comes to mind right away.
blah blah blah junk junk words, this post used to violate the postercomment compression filter.
*sigh*
It looks like gtk-gnutella is actually starting to be worked on again. It's on sourceforge now with two recent releases on the 12th and 20th of sept 2001.
Is it me, or is everyone else reluctant to download some slow java program with a klunky ui that's 3.44 meg plus the 14.4 meg JRE 1.3; over a lean, mean gtk version that's a 157k download that I can set up with ./configure; make install?
/. crowd. :)
;)
I mean, I wish the limewire people the best, they've obviously put in a lot of hard work and long hours, but it just pains me to see a program that big and inefficient. Is it ever going to be possible to compile a java programs into small to medium sized, standalone executables? I realize you normally need to have the java virtual machine running, but this just seems... messy.
All you java advocates, this is your chance to defend your language of choice and explain it to me and the rest of the
And yes, I have used limewire before, albeit quite awhile ago.
Sure, this is a little bit off topic, but how often can you say yay, another program is open sourced.
Here here, it's not like there's any official mirror list that I know of anyway. Id's always been kinda slack on the web page updates. Hrm, after looking I guess there is a mirror list on the www.castlewolfenstein.com, it can be found here btw, it's id. They've never done that funky thing with caps that people like to do. Just fyi :)
Sorry most of this rant isn't at aimed at you. This is just a convenient place for me to vent. :)
No, it means they're less prevalent, like you said. Why bother trying to protect your machine against something that doesn't exist? There's no serious linux virus out there, period. Ramen noodle worms don't count, as long as this guy installs all the latest updates, he'll be fine.
I've been running linux since '96, I've yet to feel the need to virus protection program, but I ALWAYS run one on my windows machines, and they've saved my ass more than once.
ahh yeah, I guess prop fuel and jet fuel would be different entirely, gotta love slashdot, there's always so many people here to set you straight when you get your information wrong (which I like :)
True, but still as I'm sure you're aware, the winner of the popular vote does not a president make. For the same reasons you don't add up all the runs at the end of game seven of the world series. Because 1, those are not the rules. And 2, those rules are that way for reason. The reasons for this are beyond the scope of my little blurb, but it just kills a lot of people, including RMS still don't "get it".
Normal fuel probably meaning regular unleaded at the pump for cars. Jet fuel has much higher octane rating than "normal" fuel so it has more energy, and you don't have to put as much of it in the plane.
The other atom asks, "Are you sure?"
The first atom replies, "Yes I'm positive."
ymf724 pci based cards
ymf744 pci based cards, it's essentially a ymf724 but it has digital out, and 4 channel out
SB Live
Trident 4DWave
I own two ymf724's and a ymf744, great cards, they sound great, and they're cheap :) The ymf744and ymf724 have issues with quake3, it hangs on exit :( But you can just kill off the process luckily. This is with the latest .9.0beta7 drivers, the .5.x drivers don't have any noticeable issues though.
A quick search here's the cards: ymf744 [$18] and ymf744 pro version (digital out version?) [$25]
Just because I work for someone doesn't mean I agree with them. And just because some entity is supposed to "represent" me, doesn't mean it does so in every way. Take a look at the Gov't, I vote for the guys, but did I ask for the DMCA, do I agree with it, can I do anything about getting it repealed? No, no, and not easily. There are a lot of great, real movie companies, directors, etc out there that I'm sure hate MPAA very much.
Nobody's suggesting force and violence. That doesn't mean we should help them out. This is providing something for nothing in return - indeed, it's going to the very extreme, taking the schoolyard bully who's just given you a bloody nose and offering to clean his shoes for him.
Ok, I dunno where I got force and violence from, but my point is, that to make enemy not hate us (the linux community) anymore, we have to give them a reason not to hate us. And more to the point, give them a reason to want us around. If they start being a part of the community, then they might relate with us and see the whole dvd thing/whatever from our side of the fence.
I don't see what money has to do with it. If the movie industry begins seeing Linux as an asset and not a threat, then in general they might starting being a part of the community and see just why software should be free.... It's a long shot but hey... It never hurt anyone to hope, did it?
No, it's not the same Hollywood. The one's against DVDs under linux are the MPAA. The one's who are going to/might use linux are the backend movie production people, or whatever. IBM are the people who are making it possible by releasing cool software.
I don't want to see Linux helping an industry that is so negative about open source and ideologically committed to its destruction.
On the contrary, I'd love to see Linux help the movie industry out. Because if they do, then the movie industry might actually see how great linux is and be much more kind to us (the linux community) in general. The best way to get rid of an enemy is to make friends with him, not through force and violence.
I can't prevent it from happening, that's what a free operating system is all about after all,
No you can't, thank god.
Also please try to keep in mind that Hollywood and the movie industry contains two types of people, lawyers, and not lawyers. So please just be mad at the MPAA, not whole damn industry.