Once you get the lawsuits flying around left and right you could end up with a hard lesson in the law of unintended consequences. The software industry has enjoyed many things that are unheard of in any other industry, some good/some bad.
Everyone has been waiting for this for quiet sometime. It is not always the gem it is perceived to be though.
>>I personally hope that SCO gets obliterated though =)
Linux is the direct competitor to SCO & Microsoft for position in markets they lose ground to every day that passes.
Microsoft spends quiet a bit of money studying "things" and one thing they admitted was that their FUD attempts have backfired at every twist and turn and the only thing that seems to get businesses to listen to was legal liablity.
Microsoft & SCO are simply trying to stop Linux anyway they can. SCO is simply a "middle man" between the two major forces here: Linux & Microsoft. Microsoft does not worry itself (or share holders) about SCO; they can easily be gotten rid of, and it's no small bonus that this whole ordeal will do it for them. They can't stop Linux adoption so it's simple case of "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" - until such time as it's not needed...
Legal liability is the card they are playing because it's the only one they have left regardless of merit. We all know it but businesses play by the rule of corporate liablity; which is how much money can we make/lose.
"Speaking as a Canadian watching shooting deaths in the states everyday, I think most of the US government has a screwed up idea of what counts as a hurtful attack."
As an American I can tell you that the US government does not have a screwed up idea of what counts as a hurtful attack. The US government is based on capitalism. Anything that cuts into someones profit machine is the most kind of hurtful attack, period. Sorry but freedoms, democracy, republics - all of that is pretty irrelevant in this context. With this in mind the "idea" is right on par.
They have checks and balances to try to ensure that citizens don't get trampled on BUT the goal of the system is still capitalism.
Do you and I think that is "screwed up"? Probably. It's still the underlying foundation the system is built on though.
Re:why would you not support mono?
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"...shun all things.net - just because it has nothing to do with microsoft?"
Basically this sums it up for quiet a few people. You see the simple truth is you can only be burned by something so many times before you learn. You obviously have not, but I am sure you will get there if this does not do it to you when everything is said and done. Agreements, standards, rationale, etc - none of these things mean anything when dealing with Microsoft. Look at how many companies have teamed up with MS and look what happens to them - by the way, it's not limited to companies; look at their customers too...
The only thing demonstrated by MS is that they will do what ever it takes to hinder/reduce/eliminate competition which in and of itself is not a bad thing, but when it is done illegally they rob you of things you obviously haven't begun to understand yet.
Users can protect themselves against the attack by adding nonalphanumeric characters to a password. The inclusion of symbols other than alphanumeric characters adds complexity to the process of breaking passwords--and that means the code cracker needs more time or more memory or both.
For those that don't realize considering the following for example:
# characters/Upper Case Only 8/208,827,064,576 # characters/Upper, Lower, Numbers & Symbols 8/6,634,204,312,890,620
This post is more for the types that really don't consider their password selection...
There was a report that was floating around a month (or two/three) about how business responded better to liabliity concerning Linux and nothing else, for example: TCO. As it stood there current marketing strategy was backfiring in their face left and right. There was some debate to as if it that was real or not as well. Guess this adds some 'merit' to that information after all, eh?
(I could provide a link to referenced information but if this is modded up above anything over 1 then someone else will do it)
Sue! That's right. Become litigous. Sue the inventor of the fork. No reason to take responsbility for your actions, litigate! (I am assuming that SCO doesn't own this technology too - in which case you may want to keep it on the d/l - lest you be sued for unlicensed use of said instrument)
...and agree to use only Microsoft's Quality products for the rest of their natural lifetime.
Obviously this is not factual. Any "responsible" corporate legal department would never agree to concede the possibility of bilking someone beyond a natural lifetime in the event that un-natural extended lifetimes are possible...
While re-reading my post in the context of the point your bringing up - that sounds like a fair response. However my real meaning is that you will be hard pressed to find somebody who is an expert/guru/wizard/(whatever) that won't help a "newbie" if they show some incentive in seeking out the information themselves.
Go to any USENET thread, for example, related to programming. Most people get flamed for wanting there homework done for them, yet people help out considerebly, sometimes in droves, when an effort has been shown by the person asking for help. That doesn't even relate to "some strange obscure Unix based OS" yet the principles are the same.
Hence the basis for the tone of my original post. Some people really want to learn, others do not. Those who do will get help accordingly. Those who don't, well, won't because someone with experience will not put forth the effort to empower someone who is only going to waste everyones time. A very indicitive sign of this trait is lack of research. "It doesn't work. Fix it for me - I can't be bothered with why or how" So even when clueless a person has incredible power to get someones time - don't squander it; use it responsibly.
I suppose this system works. I was a newbie once myself; even with my "strange obscure Unix based OS";)
1) Time is a valuable thing 2) Power is enhanced with responsibility
If you can't understand and grasp those two concepts then you don't need not waste someone else's until you do. Some people really do deserve to be sheep - some work hard/others are natural. Anything worth learning usually invovles growing pains...
Actually what you describe is the difference between democracy and capitalism. The USA does not support freedom, democracy, or republics - it supports capitalism. Unfortunately greed, like everything else in life, without moderation is very, very destructive.
Vatis noted the dangerous time gap between exposing the weaknesses and patching them: "But I don't think security through obscurity is a winning strategy."
Too bad other entities do not feel this sentiment.
"C/C++ is no longer a viable development language..."
"not viable development languages for application level work."
"...It's really, really, really hard for people to learn it."
"...There are no standard libraries for C++, so there's a lot of reinventing the wheel. (Yeah, there's the STL and others, but each one has a huge learning curve associated with it)."
So in otherwords it's shocking that the programmer has to know something about the tool, platform, domain, etc. to be able to code? G~A~S~P!!!
What's the number one complaint of almost all end users to a product? Code bloat and speed. Sorry to tell you this but if your complaining about compile times then you don't have much of an option when it comes to execution speed of the same said program being compiled.
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After all I don't like being able to think for myself either. As long as we have people, corporations, and organizations that are so corrupt, immoral, and indifferent to anything other than money alone, I know my best interest will be served by these groups.
Thankfully the powers that be have the attitude, "This place would be okay if it weren't for all the damn people." My confidence in them stands unwaivering.
Mess with my liberties all you like but just don't mess with my food...
"I'm starting to wonder if Linux should be open to the average user to contribute"
Instead why don't we refuse contributions from corporate companies. After all it's mainly the U.S. based corporations that erode everything that is even remotely based on benevolent principles -- Capitalism at work primary focus is not on the advancement of humanity...
This is no more a good idea than yours - to do either will do more harm than anything some [insert evil doer here] can dream up to deter the growth of GNU, Linux, or OSS of any flavor.
Slashdot Mirror
1) Create a browser sensitive to page widening
2) Create a mouse that scrolls widened pages
3) PROFIT!!!
(Sorry - I know I should be shot now)
Once you get the lawsuits flying around left and right you could end up with a hard lesson in the law of unintended consequences. The software industry has enjoyed many things that are unheard of in any other industry, some good/some bad.
Everyone has been waiting for this for quiet sometime. It is not always the gem it is perceived to be though.
>>I personally hope that SCO gets obliterated though =)
Linux is the direct competitor to SCO & Microsoft for position in markets they lose ground to every day that passes.
Microsoft spends quiet a bit of money studying "things" and one thing they admitted was that their FUD attempts have backfired at every twist and turn and the only thing that seems to get businesses to listen to was legal liablity.
Microsoft & SCO are simply trying to stop Linux anyway they can. SCO is simply a "middle man" between the two major forces here: Linux & Microsoft. Microsoft does not worry itself (or share holders) about SCO; they can easily be gotten rid of, and it's no small bonus that this whole ordeal will do it for them. They can't stop Linux adoption so it's simple case of "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" - until such time as it's not needed...
Legal liability is the card they are playing because it's the only one they have left regardless of merit. We all know it but businesses play by the rule of corporate liablity; which is how much money can we make/lose.
"Speaking as a Canadian watching shooting deaths in the states everyday, I think most of the US government has a screwed up idea of what counts as a hurtful attack."
As an American I can tell you that the US government does not have a screwed up idea of what counts as a hurtful attack. The US government is based on capitalism. Anything that cuts into someones profit machine is the most kind of hurtful attack, period. Sorry but freedoms, democracy, republics - all of that is pretty irrelevant in this context. With this in mind the "idea" is right on par.
They have checks and balances to try to ensure that citizens don't get trampled on BUT the goal of the system is still capitalism.
Do you and I think that is "screwed up"? Probably. It's still the underlying foundation the system is built on though.
"...shun all things .net - just because it has nothing to do with microsoft?"
Basically this sums it up for quiet a few people. You see the simple truth is you can only be burned by something so many times before you learn. You obviously have not, but I am sure you will get there if this does not do it to you when everything is said and done. Agreements, standards, rationale, etc - none of these things mean anything when dealing with Microsoft. Look at how many companies have teamed up with MS and look what happens to them - by the way, it's not limited to companies; look at their customers too...
The only thing demonstrated by MS is that they will do what ever it takes to hinder/reduce/eliminate competition which in and of itself is not a bad thing, but when it is done illegally they rob you of things you obviously haven't begun to understand yet.
Can it handle malicious MIDI's?
Anyway, what's the big deal? Once an elected politician gets in office he gets a r00t kit by lobbyist. What's the rub here???
You'll notice the line:
/208,827,064,576 /6,634,204,312,890,620
Users can protect themselves against the attack by adding nonalphanumeric characters to a password. The inclusion of symbols other than alphanumeric characters adds complexity to the process of breaking passwords--and that means the code cracker needs more time or more memory or both.
For those that don't realize considering the following for example:
# characters/Upper Case Only
8
# characters/Upper, Lower, Numbers & Symbols
8
This post is more for the types that really don't consider their password selection...
There was a report that was floating around a month (or two/three) about how business responded better to liabliity concerning Linux and nothing else, for example: TCO. As it stood there current marketing strategy was backfiring in their face left and right. There was some debate to as if it that was real or not as well. Guess this adds some 'merit' to that information after all, eh?
(I could provide a link to referenced information but if this is modded up above anything over 1 then someone else will do it)
Sue! That's right. Become litigous. Sue the inventor of the fork. No reason to take responsbility for your actions, litigate! (I am assuming that SCO doesn't own this technology too - in which case you may want to keep it on the d/l - lest you be sued for unlicensed use of said instrument)
Obviously this is not factual. Any "responsible" corporate legal department would never agree to concede the possibility of bilking someone beyond a natural lifetime in the event that un-natural extended lifetimes are possible...
While re-reading my post in the context of the point your bringing up - that sounds like a fair response. However my real meaning is that you will be hard pressed to find somebody who is an expert/guru/wizard/(whatever) that won't help a "newbie" if they show some incentive in seeking out the information themselves.
;)
Go to any USENET thread, for example, related to programming. Most people get flamed for wanting there homework done for them, yet people help out considerebly, sometimes in droves, when an effort has been shown by the person asking for help. That doesn't even relate to "some strange obscure Unix based OS" yet the principles are the same.
Hence the basis for the tone of my original post. Some people really want to learn, others do not. Those who do will get help accordingly. Those who don't, well, won't because someone with experience will not put forth the effort to empower someone who is only going to waste everyones time. A very indicitive sign of this trait is lack of research. "It doesn't work. Fix it for me - I can't be bothered with why or how" So even when clueless a person has incredible power to get someones time - don't squander it; use it responsibly.
I suppose this system works. I was a newbie once myself; even with my "strange obscure Unix based OS"
1. Create customer base
2. Sue them all
3. Profit!!!
1) Time is a valuable thing
2) Power is enhanced with responsibility
If you can't understand and grasp those two concepts then you don't need not waste someone else's until you do. Some people really do deserve to be sheep - some work hard/others are natural. Anything worth learning usually invovles growing pains...
Actually what you describe is the difference between democracy and capitalism. The USA does not support freedom, democracy, or republics - it supports capitalism. Unfortunately greed, like everything else in life, without moderation is very, very destructive.
Vatis noted the dangerous time gap between exposing the weaknesses and patching them: "But I don't think security through obscurity is a winning strategy."
Too bad other entities do not feel this sentiment.
they would just call them facts.
"C/C++ is no longer a viable development language..."
"not viable development languages for application level work."
"...It's really, really, really hard for people to learn it."
"...There are no standard libraries for C++, so there's a lot of reinventing the wheel. (Yeah, there's the STL and others, but each one has a huge learning curve associated with it)."
So in otherwords it's shocking that the programmer has to know something about the tool, platform, domain, etc. to be able to code? G~A~S~P!!!
What's the number one complaint of almost all end users to a product? Code bloat and speed . Sorry to tell you this but if your complaining about compile times then you don't have much of an option when it comes to execution speed of the same said program being compiled.
After all I don't like being able to think for myself either. As long as we have people, corporations, and organizations that are so corrupt, immoral, and indifferent to anything other than money alone, I know my best interest will be served by these groups.
Thankfully the powers that be have the attitude, "This place would be okay if it weren't for all the damn people." My confidence in them stands unwaivering.
Mess with my liberties all you like but just don't mess with my food...
I dropped support for Microsoft too.
Instead why don't we refuse contributions from corporate companies. After all it's mainly the U.S. based corporations that erode everything that is even remotely based on benevolent principles -- Capitalism at work primary focus is not on the advancement of humanity...
This is no more a good idea than yours - to do either will do more harm than anything some [insert evil doer here] can dream up to deter the growth of GNU, Linux, or OSS of any flavor.