That was an interesting digression to insults. Are you on medication that you forgot to take?
I did not say anything about "protecting" the children from programming. I am a programmer; I have been for decades. But forcing knowledge onto people when they are not interested in the subject is not only mean, it alienates those people (children or adult) to that topic.
Permission slips to learn algebra? Wow. Was that a double dose of medication you missed? Why the sudden onslaught of insults? For what?
Did I say your opinion (let's leave Kansas out of this for the moment) was invalid? No. I said mine was different from yours. Why did you sink to cretinous attacks just because I have a different opinion than you? Wow.
I do NOT take offense to introducing the subject of programming to intereseted children...but the tread topic was pertaining to people who do not have that interest! Basic curiosity such as "what is a computer" does not in ANY way equate to "how do I make one do what I want." With careful nurturing, it can get there.
Not everyone should be a programmer. Many that are programmers should not be programmers. Should most people that use computers have a basic understanding of how computer programs work? In my opinion yes. Should those interested in programming be encouraged to learning more? Of course. Should it be a required class in elementary school? I think not.
In closing, I'd like to point out (since you raise the topic) that all flow charts are a total waste of time. Flowcharts used as program designs tend to force software development down untenable paths due to inflexible specifications. And people that "get along" with flow charts/Gantt Charts/MSProject tend to have very black-and-white views of the world, are usually very inflexible ("It's on the flowchart! It must be right!") and stubborn to the point of bankruptcy.
[There, you see? Sinking to needless insults is not the best way to carry out a serious conversation.]
Where *did* you get such confidence in your local election poll cronies? Why would you even for a second think that procedures are always followed flawlessly?
Why would you suggest that having the wrong candidate reported as the winner would not have any effect? What about other polls that are still open, or states that are three or more hours behind?
That is precisely what happened in Western Florida in the 2000 fiasco. It had been decades since a single vote even seemed like it could matter - so if you've heard the news that your state has already decided on a candidate, why drive out to the poll?
The combination of many factors (modems? MODEMS!? Web-based? Bugs? Untested? Lack of peer review?!) compromising the security of the system indicates premeditated culpability.
Nice troll! When I do a search on sf.net for "voting" I get about a hundred projects. Almost half are silly web poll projects, but MANY of them are viable voting solutions.
Please recall that were talking about little kids here. Flowcharting? No.
I agree that they are probably overwhelmed with (far too abstract) warnings about the internet.
In my children's class last week, they had a entire session just on identifying different media: CD, Floppy, ZIP, Jump, etc. I was momentarily tickled to hear that my daughter asked if she could just "put a cord from one to the other."
That sounds about the right topic level for this Ask/. questioner - he's got a diverse group on his hands.
Programming concepts? No way. Not for that target audience.
You could be correct...he might be saying that he's adding two windows adminstrators. Based on the wording and context, it seems more likely to me that he is adding to more personnel/accounting type administrators.
If my assumption is correct, perhaps the staff there should hang him first. Maybe start with tar-and-feathering or boiling in oil, THEN hang him.
That breed of particular fuck-head is on the rise in our industry these days (again.) It seemed like there was almost a year or so where those idiots were being kept at bay, but the greedy do-nothing-but-interfere types are making a comeback.
In my opinion, they are only deterred by violence and blackmail.
It might also be worth mentioning that I have recently added two more administrators to the team.
Please, please try the out the "Hang the Administrator" tradition first! To make a team more productive, do *not* add bean counters! He obviously doesn't belong there; adding more "administrators" so that his personality type is not so outnumbered is a guaranteed way to breed contempt, destroy morale and banish creativity.
I strongly agree. However, since politics have not been removed from the situation, IPv6 will still have the same issues. There will still be address hoarding. I don't see how IPv6 prevents that.
You seem to be suggesting that not having anonymity would not affect a person's vote. IN THE MILITARY! With your boss, and boss' boss, and boss' boss' boss... all holding guns/tanks/bombs, certain to check your answers to make sure you toe the line (to perpetuate their revenue?!)
"Ooooh....looks like Joe voted Democrat. Joe, report for minesweeping duty. Here's a fork."
How could you NOT be concerned about someone seeing your vote, ESPECIALLY in the millitary!?
People's party affilliations really don't change easily. Something petty like this is just that; petty. I doubt anyone will admit their vote was swayed by this issue after the election.
I strongly agree with your notion that it's not about our votes. Indeed, it is about effectively refuting the mud that started slinging, so that this petty issue does not sway someone who might somehow be undecided.
Most of the undecided are the uniformed. They are uninformed usually by choice, due to apathy.
The majority of voters that are "informed" are informed only by mainstream media. That is a sad fact.
It was only granted as a patent on 8/31. (But yes, this is a duplicate/. article.)
Mircosoft obfuscating facts to obtain patents (and obviously bribing the USPTO) is always news. The web was originally TEXT ONLY. How many roll & scroll applications used a mouse at all in 1997? For the USPTO to say that using a keyboard is an INVENTION is an outrage! Remember when LYNX was the only way to view the 'net?
It would be nice to be able to report a new pothole online.
Not trying to be flamebait here, but building codes online would be very nice. i.e. what this local inspector will be looking for on a given type of job (like replacing a water heater - does this community require it to be on a stand, or have a "green sticker"?)
Qwest changed their policy regarding naked DSL only AFTER I got my subscription. It was never even close to only $34.99! They mandated six months before they would allow me to drop the phone (at which point I was already moving.)
My estimate of 6x faster is based on how fast I can download the latest build from work - admittedly prone to other network factors, such as horrendous Qwest throttling of SSH sessions. But my Comcast connection really is demonstrably about 6x faster than my Qwest connection was.
My extended family tends to be the only ones hitting my photo collection. If I ever get to 1/10th the download limit, I'll be very surprised. I'm not worried (well, perhaps on a theoretical basis) about their monthly cap.
What Qwest advertises vs. what they delivered has disgusted me. I do not think I'll be able to bring myself to do business with them again.
When I first moved here to SLC, UT about 8 months ago, all I could get was Qwest DSL. They mandated (at that time) that I also get a land-line for the first six months. I (for other reasons) have two cell phones; the land line I hooked up an answering machine to and gave that phone number out to telemarketers willy-nilly.
Two months ago I moved, and I now have Comcast. I was gouged so thouroughly by Qwest, that it will be many years before I get a land line (as soon as I can move away from SLC, perhaps.) Comcast is approximately 6 times faster than Qwest's DSL. My dynamic IP (I also use dyndns.org) hasn't changed yet - on Qwest is changed several times a month.
The last time I dialed 911 it was from my car. Can't do that from a land-line.
The worst aspect of Qwest however, was that they had no e-mail service...they only offered a "@msn.com" address. Oh joy. MSN of course has only http access - no IMAP or pop3, no SMTP.
I'm paying less for Comcast now than I was for DSL (not even including the extra $19/month for the stupid unused phone line!)
I have found much more conducive work-schedules at smaller employers.
For me, the first step in getting my career back on track was to finish the divorce process. I'm now a single Dad with 50% custody of the kids. I can follow up on projects in the evening when the kids go to bed (I'm very much a night-owl) and I find I am more productive than I ever was when married. I also am able to enjoy programming again; that was something I always had to feel guilty about when married. In my experience, pretty non-computer-savvy women only want to marry you so they can divorce you. They want to have kids only for the future child-support payments.
Larger companies cannot be as flexible when it comes to creative schedules. I do enjoy very much being a great Daddy, and I adjust my schedule a couple times a year to reduce my hours & income, and spend more time camping, hiking, skiing, building snowmen, seeing my 4 year old in Peter-Pan, cub-scouts, girl-scouts, etc.
For me, I enjoy programming. What employer I'm working for is farther down on the list than my kids. If you don't enjoy programming, then change careers. If your current employer is not flexible enough, you should probably look around some more.
Don't work at a start-up if you are married with kids.
Just when I thought our government couldn't get any scarier...
I wonder if changing my resume' to not include my 6 years at SAIC working on DoD healthcare systems would help?
Maybe it's time to write a virus so they won't want me?
20yrs - 44 yrs?! I thought the draft was for 19 year olds! This is really scary stuff.
Now wait a sec...how is it that they can force me to be creative and efficient? How do they think something like this could ever work? Anyone they draft will just make copious subtle errors until they get canned. E.g. "Ooops, I forgot to check authentication when listening on that port...it was only supposed to be commented out during testing."
I guess it's time to re-register to get a higher/. number.
The cost of the exam is about 1/4th the cost of your $200 glasses. Even if it were just a $5 copay I still wouldn't get my eyes checked more than once every several years. Every time in my life I had an eye exam, my vision had mysticly worsened. So they gave me stronger glasses. So my vision got worse. So they gave me stronger glasses. So my vision got worse... {repeat for 20 years}...
In an effort to stop the abusive cycle, I had Lazik surgery last Saturday. I now see 20/20.
And for the first time ever, I can now buy several different types of SUNGLASSES for different occasions.
[Disclaimer: I got out of Naval Nuclear Program in 1986...let's see if I can remember how this goes.]
When the load is removed, the power plant is no longer having energy removed from it.
When the turbines are not converting heat energy to electricity, the heat stays inside the reactor.
When the heat stays inside the reactor, the very-high-pressure-water turns into very-VERY-high-pressure steam.
Steam does not conduct heat as well as water. When the steam reaches the tiny plates that have uranium inside, the heat generated by the nuclear reaction stays in the tiny plates.
When the tiny plates (sometimes called fins of a rod) get that hot, they melt.
When the metal casing of the tiny plates melt, the very heavy uranium falls down into a pile at the bottom of the reactor. ("Meltdown.")
When a bunch of plates melt, all their uranium melts down to the bottom of the reactor, bringing more and more uranium closer together.
The closer together the urianium gets to other reactive ("live") uranium, the more free neutrons there are, therefore the better the chances of a subsequent nuclear fission occurring from that free neutron hitting a U-235 atom. The more and closer the uranium is, the better the proability of more chain reactions.
When enough uranium is piled together, it can reach critical mass, thereby becoming an atomic bomb.
So in a nutshell, it's a little safer to shut the reactor down (by dropping lead rods that absorb the "free neutrons" down in-between the uranium rods) when the load has been removed.
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That was an interesting digression to insults. Are you on medication that you forgot to take?
I did not say anything about "protecting" the children from programming. I am a programmer; I have been for decades. But forcing knowledge onto people when they are not interested in the subject is not only mean, it alienates those people (children or adult) to that topic.
Permission slips to learn algebra? Wow. Was that a double dose of medication you missed? Why the sudden onslaught of insults? For what?
Did I say your opinion (let's leave Kansas out of this for the moment) was invalid? No. I said mine was different from yours. Why did you sink to cretinous attacks just because I have a different opinion than you? Wow.
I do NOT take offense to introducing the subject of programming to intereseted children...but the tread topic was pertaining to people who do not have that interest! Basic curiosity such as "what is a computer" does not in ANY way equate to "how do I make one do what I want." With careful nurturing, it can get there.
Not everyone should be a programmer. Many that are programmers should not be programmers. Should most people that use computers have a basic understanding of how computer programs work? In my opinion yes. Should those interested in programming be encouraged to learning more? Of course. Should it be a required class in elementary school? I think not.
In closing, I'd like to point out (since you raise the topic) that all flow charts are a total waste of time. Flowcharts used as program designs tend to force software development down untenable paths due to inflexible specifications. And people that "get along" with flow charts/Gantt Charts/MSProject tend to have very black-and-white views of the world, are usually very inflexible ("It's on the flowchart! It must be right!") and stubborn to the point of bankruptcy.
[There, you see? Sinking to needless insults is not the best way to carry out a serious conversation.]
Oh my, I thought that was pretty funny, and that you were just joking, but NO! translate.google.com really DOES translate that just so.
I blew my mod points a while ago, hopefully someone else will be gracious to you (even though you did post as AC.)
Where *did* you get such confidence in your local election poll cronies? Why would you even for a second think that procedures are always followed flawlessly?
Why would you suggest that having the wrong candidate reported as the winner would not have any effect? What about other polls that are still open, or states that are three or more hours behind?
That is precisely what happened in Western Florida in the 2000 fiasco. It had been decades since a single vote even seemed like it could matter - so if you've heard the news that your state has already decided on a candidate, why drive out to the poll?
The combination of many factors (modems? MODEMS!? Web-based? Bugs? Untested? Lack of peer review?!) compromising the security of the system indicates premeditated culpability.
Where *is* my tin-foil hat?
Nice troll! When I do a search on sf.net for "voting" I get about a hundred projects. Almost half are silly web poll projects, but MANY of them are viable voting solutions.
That's fine. You have your opinion, I have mine. I still think trying to teach programming concepts to a diverse group of CHILDREN is inappropriate.
If instead it was a group of kids that are actually interested in learning to program...then it would be appropriate.
Just my opinion.
Wow.
/. questioner - he's got a diverse group on his hands.
Please recall that were talking about little kids here. Flowcharting? No.
I agree that they are probably overwhelmed with (far too abstract) warnings about the internet.
In my children's class last week, they had a entire session just on identifying different media: CD, Floppy, ZIP, Jump, etc. I was momentarily tickled to hear that my daughter asked if she could just "put a cord from one to the other."
That sounds about the right topic level for this Ask
Programming concepts? No way. Not for that target audience.
You could be correct...he might be saying that he's adding two windows adminstrators. Based on the wording and context, it seems more likely to me that he is adding to more personnel/accounting type administrators.
If my assumption is correct, perhaps the staff there should hang him first. Maybe start with tar-and-feathering or boiling in oil, THEN hang him.
That breed of particular fuck-head is on the rise in our industry these days (again.) It seemed like there was almost a year or so where those idiots were being kept at bay, but the greedy do-nothing-but-interfere types are making a comeback.
In my opinion, they are only deterred by violence and blackmail.
My dear friendly AC,
Yes, I KNOW it's still spelled wrong. Thanks again. And again. And again.
"O Zarathustra," it whispered scornfully, syllable by syllable, "you stone of wisdom! you threw yourself high, but every thrown stone must- fall!
It might also be worth mentioning that I have recently added two more administrators to the team.
Please, please try the out the "Hang the Administrator" tradition first! To make a team more productive, do *not* add bean counters! He obviously doesn't belong there; adding more "administrators" so that his personality type is not so outnumbered is a guaranteed way to breed contempt, destroy morale and banish creativity.
Idiots... ...that's why we need IP6.
I strongly agree. However, since politics have not been removed from the situation, IPv6 will still have the same issues. There will still be address hoarding. I don't see how IPv6 prevents that.
You seem to be suggesting that not having anonymity would not affect a person's vote. IN THE MILITARY! With your boss, and boss' boss, and boss' boss' boss... all holding guns/tanks/bombs, certain to check your answers to make sure you toe the line (to perpetuate their revenue?!)
"Ooooh....looks like Joe voted Democrat. Joe, report for minesweeping duty. Here's a fork."
How could you NOT be concerned about someone seeing your vote, ESPECIALLY in the millitary!?
People's party affilliations really don't change easily. Something petty like this is just that; petty. I doubt anyone will admit their vote was swayed by this issue after the election.
I strongly agree with your notion that it's not about our votes. Indeed, it is about effectively refuting the mud that started slinging, so that this petty issue does not sway someone who might somehow be undecided.
Most of the undecided are the uniformed. They are uninformed usually by choice, due to apathy.
The majority of voters that are "informed" are informed only by mainstream media. That is a sad fact.
It was only granted as a patent on 8/31. (But yes, this is a duplicate /. article.)
Mircosoft obfuscating facts to obtain patents (and obviously bribing the USPTO) is always news. The web was originally TEXT ONLY. How many roll & scroll applications used a mouse at all in 1997? For the USPTO to say that using a keyboard is an INVENTION is an outrage! Remember when LYNX was the only way to view the 'net?
C'mon yourself. This is blasphemous.
It would be nice to be able to report a new pothole online.
Not trying to be flamebait here, but building codes online would be very nice. i.e. what this local inspector will be looking for on a given type of job (like replacing a water heater - does this community require it to be on a stand, or have a "green sticker"?)
Um, if the option of going back to land-lines disapears, cell phone monthly prices will go up, probably exponentially. No?
Qwest changed their policy regarding naked DSL only AFTER I got my subscription. It was never even close to only $34.99! They mandated six months before they would allow me to drop the phone (at which point I was already moving.)
My estimate of 6x faster is based on how fast I can download the latest build from work - admittedly prone to other network factors, such as horrendous Qwest throttling of SSH sessions. But my Comcast connection really is demonstrably about 6x faster than my Qwest connection was.
My extended family tends to be the only ones hitting my photo collection. If I ever get to 1/10th the download limit, I'll be very surprised. I'm not worried (well, perhaps on a theoretical basis) about their monthly cap.
What Qwest advertises vs. what they delivered has disgusted me. I do not think I'll be able to bring myself to do business with them again.
I didn't get the teaser at first either.
Tear down those lines? Who would want to do a fool thing like that?
The only result would be very sudden, very extreme telephone price increases if someone were to do that...
When I first moved here to SLC, UT about 8 months ago, all I could get was Qwest DSL. They mandated (at that time) that I also get a land-line for the first six months. I (for other reasons) have two cell phones; the land line I hooked up an answering machine to and gave that phone number out to telemarketers willy-nilly.
Two months ago I moved, and I now have Comcast. I was gouged so thouroughly by Qwest, that it will be many years before I get a land line (as soon as I can move away from SLC, perhaps.) Comcast is approximately 6 times faster than Qwest's DSL. My dynamic IP (I also use dyndns.org) hasn't changed yet - on Qwest is changed several times a month.
The last time I dialed 911 it was from my car. Can't do that from a land-line.
The worst aspect of Qwest however, was that they had no e-mail service...they only offered a "@msn.com" address. Oh joy. MSN of course has only http access - no IMAP or pop3, no SMTP.
I'm paying less for Comcast now than I was for DSL (not even including the extra $19/month for the stupid unused phone line!)
YMMV.
I have found much more conducive work-schedules at smaller employers.
For me, the first step in getting my career back on track was to finish the divorce process. I'm now a single Dad with 50% custody of the kids. I can follow up on projects in the evening when the kids go to bed (I'm very much a night-owl) and I find I am more productive than I ever was when married. I also am able to enjoy programming again; that was something I always had to feel guilty about when married. In my experience, pretty non-computer-savvy women only want to marry you so they can divorce you. They want to have kids only for the future child-support payments.
Larger companies cannot be as flexible when it comes to creative schedules. I do enjoy very much being a great Daddy, and I adjust my schedule a couple times a year to reduce my hours & income, and spend more time camping, hiking, skiing, building snowmen, seeing my 4 year old in Peter-Pan, cub-scouts, girl-scouts, etc.
For me, I enjoy programming. What employer I'm working for is farther down on the list than my kids. If you don't enjoy programming, then change careers. If your current employer is not flexible enough, you should probably look around some more.
Don't work at a start-up if you are married with kids.
Just when I thought our government couldn't get any scarier...
/. number.
I wonder if changing my resume' to not include my 6 years at SAIC working on DoD healthcare systems would help?
Maybe it's time to write a virus so they won't want me?
20yrs - 44 yrs?! I thought the draft was for 19 year olds! This is really scary stuff.
Now wait a sec...how is it that they can force me to be creative and efficient? How do they think something like this could ever work? Anyone they draft will just make copious subtle errors until they get canned. E.g. "Ooops, I forgot to check authentication when listening on that port...it was only supposed to be commented out during testing."
I guess it's time to re-register to get a higher
The cost of the exam is about 1/4th the cost of your $200 glasses. Even if it were just a $5 copay
I still wouldn't get my eyes checked more than once every several years. Every time in my life I had
an eye exam, my vision had mysticly worsened. So they gave me stronger glasses. So my vision got
worse. So they gave me stronger glasses. So my vision got worse... {repeat for 20 years}...
In an effort to stop the abusive cycle, I had Lazik surgery last Saturday. I now see 20/20.
And for the first time ever, I can now buy several different types of SUNGLASSES for different occasions.
After seeing "Gauntlet" pictured, I am stuck with only one thought:
"Green Elf needs food BADLY."
Ah, sweet memories...
That's overkill. How about
$ strings filename.doc
It works for me.
[Disclaimer: I got out of Naval Nuclear Program in 1986...let's see if I can remember how this goes.]
When the load is removed, the power plant is no longer having energy removed from it.
When the turbines are not converting heat energy to electricity, the heat stays inside the reactor.
When the heat stays inside the reactor, the very-high-pressure-water turns into very-VERY-high-pressure steam.
Steam does not conduct heat as well as water. When the steam reaches the tiny plates that have uranium inside, the heat generated by the nuclear reaction stays in the tiny plates.
When the tiny plates (sometimes called fins of a rod) get that hot, they melt.
When the metal casing of the tiny plates melt, the very heavy uranium falls down into a pile at the bottom of the reactor. ("Meltdown.")
When a bunch of plates melt, all their uranium melts down to the bottom of the reactor, bringing more and more uranium closer together.
The closer together the urianium gets to other reactive ("live") uranium, the more free neutrons there are, therefore the better the chances of a subsequent nuclear fission occurring from that free neutron hitting a U-235 atom. The more and closer the uranium is, the better the proability of more chain reactions.
When enough uranium is piled together, it can reach critical mass, thereby becoming an atomic bomb.
So in a nutshell, it's a little safer to shut the reactor down (by dropping lead rods that absorb the "free neutrons" down in-between the uranium rods) when the load has been removed.