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Cheap Fast Eyeglasses from a Desktop Fabricator

purduephotog writes "Doctoral candidate Saul Griffith of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and inventor of the Lego powered chocolate printer was awarded the Lemelson-MIT Student Prize for inventing a device that molds eyeglasses rapidly and cheaply. Best of all, he's motivated for the good of humanity."

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  1. Making a difference by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Griffith's thesis research is actually on "programmable self-assembly, how to make things automatically make things," he said.

    This is the really interesting scientific angle of his work, and based on this, I would say that this small $30k prize is only the beginning for this guy. This approach demonstrates a unique perspective to problem solving that shows how innovative folks like Saul are. But perhaps more importantly for the future of science, science education, and the overall good, he has a social conscience that allowed him to identify a problem that affects people worldwide and has found an innovative solution that does what we all should aspire to do: Make a difference.

    And he also makes the rest of us scientists look good. :-)

    Good on you Saul.

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    1. Re:Making a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been waiting for the first usable application of the global wealth distribution (software, nanotech, whatever) solution that would make difference beyond eyeglasses.
      It's not really a cost-effective, revolutionary way to print money - but you get the idea, I know.
      In the meantime, congrats to Saul.
      Not only for the brilliant idea (which will probably cause great deal of economical decay for my current optician, where I regularly leave several hundreds of $s for my glasses), but also to demonstrate that innovation is as much of a "lifestyle" - as greed, as economists are trying to convince us.

      Coward

    2. Re:Making a difference by wthynot · · Score: 1


      And he also makes the rest of us scientists look good. :-)
      You may be right about that. Now if he could just come up with a cheap desktop salon system... ;-)

  2. In two years time ... by Gil2796 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Doctor Saul Griffith of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and inventor of the Lego powered chocolate printer and eyeglass moulder was awarded the Lemelson-MIT Doctoral Prize for inventing a device that cheaply and easily mouldes edible chocolate eyeglasses!

  3. The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Desktop fabrication is going to be an interesting one to watch.

    Imagine downloading and printing a new bowl for your food processor, or a new toy for your kid.

    Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of corporations over the illegal distribution of copyrighted object designs over the Internet.

    Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of governments when the technology reaches a point where you can print parts for an AK-47.

    My bet is it's going to be quite the roller-coaster ride when it gets here, and that it's closer than we think...

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    1. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by ktanmay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder how you're planning on getting the raw materials for all that, this isn't about turning straw into gold.

    2. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oooh - when can I get one?
      I want to print some new CD-Rs so I can pirate more songs without having to go to the store ;-)

    3. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
      I wonder how you're planning on getting the raw materials for all that, this isn't about turning straw into gold.

      Well, shit. There go my plans for a straw-fueled desktop fabricator.

      If only there were some cheap, readily available metal...or perhaps a resin of some kind that wouldn't force me to mortgage my mom's basement...hell, I'd even settle for some kind of plastic that I can get my hands on for less than fifty thousand dollars an ounce.

      Think, dammit, think...

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      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    4. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 4, Informative
      A suggestion:

      3D Printers

      After all, laser printers used to be incredibly expensive, but they have become inexpensive enough that if someone NEEDS one at home, they CAN afford one. Alternatively, in jet technology has brought down the price to high quality low volume printing at home. The same will happen with 3D printers. Especially, if you think about all of the packing foam and other recycleable materials we throw away right now. It really would be the ultimate in recycling.

      Now all we need to do is make sure that Linux can support them. I used to say that Linux developers should be focused on alternative human interface devices, I will now add alternative/new output devices. If we have support for them before anyone else does, that's yet another "killer app" for Linux. ;)

    5. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of governments when the technology reaches a point where you can print parts for an AK-47.

      The reason the AK-47 is the most common assault weapon in history is precisely that the design was made simple enough that they can be mass produced with very little in the way of machining experience. Forget printing, most of the parts in an AK-47 are stamped.

    6. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by pillendraaier · · Score: 0

      Things like this are quiet easy acutally. CAM (Comupter Aided Manufaturing). contains instructions for machines. These machine are very capable of what you pose. Thes machines, however are pretty expensive. Not to speak of the documents, containing the printfile^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HCAM program. How is going to provide you with that?

    7. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by mchappee · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Imagine downloading and printing a new bowl for your food processor, or a new toy for your kid.

      Yeah, and imagine your child's disappointment when she can't have a new bike because there are no Linux drivers. :-)

      Matthew

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    8. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I used the AK-47 as an example for that very reason. It's already an easy weapon to manufacture and use, but you still need some form of metalworking facility to build one, and you need some experience with metalworking and gunsmithing to be able to produce a functional weapon.

      Now, if we reach the point where John Q. Malcontent can download and print the various parts of an AK-47 in the comfort of his own studio apartment in a matter of hours...

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      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    9. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If we have support for them before anyone else does, that's yet another "killer app" for Linux.

      I don't know if you're being serious, sarcastic, or what.
      What was the first "Killer App" for Linux?

    10. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by sloptaco · · Score: 1

      Imagine when they invent those devices where you can exhale your belches into a container and save them to make a tuna melt sandwich!

      --sloppy

    11. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fwiw, your sig has a problem - it should be "A wedding is a ritual..."

      wedding:marriage::funeral:death

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      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
    12. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by nharmon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of governments when the technology reaches a point where you can print parts for an AK-47.

      When the printing of guns is outlawed, only outlaws will be able to print guns.

    13. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of governments when the technology reaches a point where you can print parts for an AK-47.

      A desktop robot that can mould and carve soft plastic is one thing, but machining a gun barrel from iron alloy is another. It's much harder in both senses.

      And unless you want to design a desktop iron smelter, you'd also need to give it just the right lump of metal alloy.

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      StrawberryFrog

    14. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one would like to welcome our new Desktop Fabricator Overlords!

    15. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by jea6 · · Score: 1

      Read Neal Stephenson's, "The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer". And while your at it, read everything by Neal Stephenson. It's been mentioned round here by others.

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      sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
    16. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder how you're planning on getting the raw materials for all that, this isn't about turning straw into gold.


      Gold I can get. I've got various bits and pieces of gold in my house right now.


      Where the hell am I going to get straw?

    17. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1
      hence, the qualification "when the technology reaches a point where you can".

      That said, they're already working on prototypes capable of printing highly durable ceramic parts for vehicles. Yes, it's a young, expensive technology, but it doesn't take too much imagination to see what it could lead to.

      Consider, too, that the advent of ceramics-based firearms would render many weapon detection systems obsolete...

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      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    18. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of governments when the technology reaches a point where you can print parts for an AK-47.

      Come now! We already have printers that can't print money. If someone did invent a universal fabricator, how long would it be before they had filters to prevent it from making various things from a (ever-expanding) banned list?

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    19. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

      We're talking Counter-Strike with live ammo!

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    20. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by bobroberts · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Imagine downloading and printing a new bowl for your food processor, or a new toy for your kid.

      Please don't make me imagine that. My boy already has way too many toys as it is without being able to print more. Every floor in the house is covered with little bits and pieces or puzzles, blocks, etc.

      What I'd rather have is a Mr. Fusion on my desktop where I can drop whatever annoying electronic toy of the week he's playing with and recover some of the energy that went into making it.
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      // // Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. // //
    21. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Mister+Moose · · Score: 1

      powdered metal? the sintering would be a bitch though

    22. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by PiratePTG · · Score: 1
      Desktop fabrication is going to be an interesting one to watch.

      Desktop fabrication is already HERE. We use CNC machines all the time in manufacturing facilities. There is even a small "CNC" machine for routing out one-off circuit boards. Instead of laying out a PCB, printing it, developing it, etching it, prepping it, you chuck up a copper-clad board and hit print. Not practical for multiple boards obviously, but saves a TREMENDOUS amount of time in prototyping. I can go from breadboard to PC board in an hour, instead of overnight.

      There are also a few (expensive) CNC-type machines available for the hobbiest. Again, not a production-level machine, but you COULD do exactly what your post suggests, in the privacy of your own garage!

      And before someone jumps up and says "You can't build a gun barrel for your AK!", yes, you can. Look in any black-powder gun magazine and you will find any number of companies that sell gun barrel blanks. Chuck one up in a lathe, bore it to caliber, rifle it, cut it to length... You get the picture...

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    23. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by jafiwam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      3D printers are cool.

      But they rely on the properties of a liquid goo turning to a solid when hit with UV lased light.

      They can make three dimensional objects by simply lowering the object into the goo and adding more layers.

      But you are still left with an OBJECT MADE OF THE HARDENED GOO. Great, it breaks, it's toxic, has no heat tolerance, and needs to be smoothed and screw holes tapped in it.

      It's a great tool for manufacturers and those that develop machines and parts and stuff.

      To make a USEFUL part out of it, you have to either put up with everything made of the same stuff (which really limits its usefulness) or then take the object to a foundry and get it copied into a metal shape.

      I vote this thing is still decades off. Just like the flying car...

    24. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

      Actually it's:

      marriage:love::funeral:death

    25. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now, if we reach the point where John Q. Malcontent can download and print the various parts of an AK-47 in the comfort of his own studio apartment in a matter of hours...

      Don't worry. Photoshop will pop up an error dialog if you try to print something it thinks is a weapon part.

    26. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by xrayspx · · Score: 2, Funny

      However, you ARE able to print her Unicycle. All the cool kids have regular schwinns, but her unicycle is built to a much higher quality spec. Somepeople say unicycle people are elitist, but I don't see it. It has a very steep learning curve, to be sure, but once you're proficient, you can have just as much fun as if you had a regular bike. People might look at you funny, but it's ok, because you're among a higher class of the Unicylerati.

    27. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      3D printers are cool.

      But they rely on the properties of a liquid goo turning to a solid when hit with UV lased light.

      The technology you describe is called stereolithography. It was one of the first ways to do rapid prototyping, but is a completely different process than the "3D printers." These things are essentially a laserjet filled with resin rather than ink. They spray the ink onto the developing model, where it hardens into a mostly solid object. Still subject to easy breakage, easy melting, etc, but completely free of the large vat of astonishingly toxic chemicals

    28. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      wedding:marriage::funeral:death

      marriage:love::funeral:death

      Perhaps, since one gets married on account of love, you should say

      marriage:love::death:gunshot wound

    29. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've worked with the stuff you're talking about on one project. You're right, it's somewhat delicate. But you're assuming that it's impossible for the process to be improved. In the early 1900s, the motor oil in cars had to be changed every few hundred miles. Nobody said "This car thing will never work because the oil sucks". No, they hit the lab and developed better oil.

      My guess is that they'll develop a 2 stage process. The first stage will be like what we have now. Then some sort of baking or chemical treatment will harden it.

      -B

    30. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Eosha · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that just beg for the idea of GPL'd household goods? Someone designs a widget/spatula/sculpture/whatever, shares the design, and anybody who wants one can print it out at home, modify it at will, etc. Sounds like the conceptual equivalent of the replicator from Star Trek.

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    31. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

      Illogical.

      marriage is a ritual
      funeral is a ritual

      love is a state
      death is a state

      gunshot wound is a cause
      I suppose you should say:

      love:attraction::death:gunshot wound

      Although I'd be hard pressed to actually define what "causes" love. Some chemists recently implied that it's a chemical reaction according to research with voles though.

    32. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by peitao · · Score: 1

      Be careful and check the MD5 checksums of that AK47 download, or you might just blow yourself up trying to use it.

      Darwin awards at its best.

    33. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Gabrill · · Score: 1

      Thats another idea. Is the printing of gun parts a form of 1st ammendment speech?

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    34. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, what you are discussing is known as the AKM. The AK-47 is 3 lbs heavier, and made of all machine components. It has a striking resembelance to a captured German rifle from 1944 that's on display in the George S. Patton Museum at Ft. Knox. The AKM (and folding stock version AKM-S) came out in the 1960's.

    35. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by photon317 · · Score: 1

      You can already buy expensive 3-d printers that do this. They form fairly durable plastics in a wide variety of colors. Most people that buy them use them for parts prototyping. You stick a CAD file in one end and a usable plastic part gets "printed" by hardening a liquid polymer with a certain laser wavelength layer by layer (or at least that's my basic layman understanding of most of them).

      Check out www.stratasys.com and www.3dsystems.com for examples.

      Eventually this stuff will get cheap enough to make it viable for mass home use, and eventually other materials will be easier to work with, presumably even metals and wood by using laser cutting from blocks or something.

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    36. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by photon317 · · Score: 1


      Yeah the problem is getting metal parts out of a 3d printing solution. The current expensive systems only do plastics, like ABs and polycarbonate. While those plastics are durable enough for many uses, and even for the majority of the parts of a full-auto rifle like the AK47, there's a list of very important parts that must withstand pressures much to great for plastics of this sort. You can't print all your AK parts till you can print metal parts made of high quality alloys.

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    37. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Informative
      Ah, but there are groups working on ceramic field fabrication units, which solves a great deal of the durability problem for high-energy applications (like engine parts and such.) It's still a very young technology, but ceramics can be even more durable and sturdy than metal.

      In any case, while the current round of technology isn't anywhere near being able to fabricate the parts for an AK-47, I can't say I'd be surprised if the technology reached this point during my lifetime...

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      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    38. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by TheFrood · · Score: 1

      Desktop fabrication is going to be an interesting one to watch.

      Imagine downloading and printing a new bowl for your food processor, or a new toy for your kid.

      Imagine, too, the anguished hand-wringing of corporations over the illegal distribution of copyrighted object designs over the Internet.


      At which point people will start producing open-source designs. Imagine riding a GPL'd bicycle.

      TheFrood

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    39. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by R_Harrold · · Score: 1

      For an Interesting coverage of this concept and its implications, go out and acquire a copy of "The Complete Venus Equilateral" by George O. Smith (Amazon.com link to the book (I'm afraid it is out of print, but used copies are availiable). It was published in the 70's and is actually a collection of science-fiction short-stories published in various "pulp" Mmagazines in the 40s.
      While I often think this would be a 'neat' Idea, some of the Implications of the Star Trek style replicator are frigtening...
      What would it do to the economy?
      What about the effects of this sort of thing on the 'Social Contract' which when you get down to nuts and bolts is held together by the concept of labor and materials having inherent value?
      Would we end up switching from worrying about Global warming due to freed-up CO2 to worrying about Lithosphere erosion as folks went out to their back yards to scoop-up some dirt to make their new car out of?
      Definitely something which needs some thought.
      Robert H.

    40. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by teeker · · Score: 1

      All the cool kids have regular schwinns, but her unicycle is built...

      Or you could just get her the best of both worlds!!!

      Schwinn Unicycles
      :)

      --
      teeker
    41. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by ngoy · · Score: 1

      Google first, post later.

      My friend has a mini cnc machine from MAXNC here in Arizona. He makes rc parts for cars, helicopters, etc... I got interested in it (although I still don't have the money to buy one) and did some research into the various cnc processes. Go to 3D Systems, you will see they have SLS (Selective Laser Sintering) which allows you to make stuff with A6 steel. And 3d printers for other stuff.

      So the technology is available now. Not cheap, but is it here.

      --
      --ngoy
    42. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by fermion · · Score: 1
      It will probably be no cheaper for the home to make a specific product at home than to purchase a replacement. Even if the cost of the machine is not prohibitive, there will be other issues that will make the process expensive. Current technology clearly indicate what some of these may be.

      First, the machine. For consumer use, it will have to be $500. Like current printers, this will probably involve some loss at the initial sale, to be recouped with the purchase of consumables. The raw consumable will not be that hard to get. Most anyone can get 25 pounds of plastic pellets for reasonable costs, though that cost may double with shipping. The machine manufacturers, however, will likely package those in such a way that will raise the cost by 1000%, and threaten lawsuits to anyone who would "refill" the dispenser. For perspective, this may mean that producing a 0.25 pound plastic widget might cost 5-10 dollars in material.

      Second, as you say, are the patent and copyright issues. It may not be so easy to download the design for the bowl. Laws will be passed to include DRM in this fantastic machine that will require all designs to be signed by a vendor that accepts responsibility for their authenticity. It might not be possible to use these machines to build your own designs, as is the case in some current music software. One would assume that the royalties, as in the current music fiasco, would make the product cost more than the store bought version. One assumes that the corporate interests now have enough warning so they will immediately purchase all needed congress people.

      Like the inkjet printer, that costs us $.25 a page, it will be more an issue of convenience than costs. I predict that this will be small industrial process first. One in which certain commercial interests fight other commercial interests in court to gain the right to produce small replacement parts. Due to the size and complexity of such a machine, I doubt many homes would think it useful. I am also sure that in 10 years I will be proved wrong, and called an old fart.

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    43. Re:The Home-Insudtrial Revolution? by dukeisgod · · Score: 1

      You make it sound as if AK-47's are hard to come by. In most parts of the world, they're more plentiful than just about anything. You can get one for a half edible meal in most parts of Africa, or for a hundred real US dollars in South America.

  4. Does he do it... by donnyspi · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..."in about an hour?"

    1. Re:Does he do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If so he must be popular with the ladies

    2. Re:Does he do it... by Eccles · · Score: 1

      You'll have to ask his girlfriend.

      But on the more serious side, laser correction techniques seem to be more and more popular, at least in the U.S. It'll be interesting to see if eyeglasses are as needed in the long run.

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  5. BUT WILL IT INCREASE THE LENGTH OF MY PENIS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    n/t

    1. Re:BUT WILL IT INCREASE THE LENGTH OF MY PENIS? by Brian+Dennehy · · Score: 5, Funny

      With the right lens, it will.

  6. Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Best of all, he's motivated for the good of humanity.

    I'm sure he'll be overjoyed when he graduates, finds himself unemployed and realizes just how much money he could have made and helped the world by patenting his invention and licensing it out.

    1. Re:Fool by Denyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True... to an extent. The 'best' solution involves holding the patent, and letting people use it for humanitarian work for free.

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    2. Re:Fool by Eagle5596 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is patenting the device, and I for one applaud him for letting people use it. Where has our world gone that we call humanitarians fools? Last I checked, "you can't take it with you", and when it comes down to it, with the brains he has, I am sure he will find a job, especially as a Doctoral candidate. I applaud him for thinking of the wellfare of others before thinking of a new sports car like most of america.

    3. Re:Fool by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, he's making the lenses for the benefit of humanity. For his own benefit, he'll be offering special UV, anti-glare and scratch-resistant coatings, custom tinting, a line of exclusive designer frames, a mantenence and checkup program, and a two-year comprehensive protection plan.

    4. Re:Fool by scottking · · Score: 1

      i hope you aren't one of the millions of americans that complains about poor healthcare in your country.

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      scott king
    5. Re:Fool by monkeydo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We don't have poor healthcare in our country. We have top notch healthcare. We even have your best doctors. Now, go put your name on that waiting list so that in 2 months you can get in to see that heart specialist that you really need to see today.

      --
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    6. Re:Fool by Zardoz44 · · Score: 1

      "Humanitarian" is just a buzzword used to extort free labour from guilt. When someone makes an effort to innovate, they have every right to try to make money from it. As the AC pointed out, he can help and make money at the same time.

    7. Re:Fool by Eagle5596 · · Score: 1

      I never said that inventors don't have a right to make money off their inventions, as a matter of fact, it's essential, so they have the money to invest in new work.

      However there is such a thing as Humanitarian, and it has nothing to do with extorting free labor. It has everything to do with making sure that what you have invented is available to those who need it at a low cost, so that obtaining it, if it serves some vital purpose (eg medical, nourishment, shelter, etc), is a very real possibility.

      People who think that money is the be all end all, and are only looking at the profit side of the equation ought to sit back and think long and hard about what it really buys them, and whether our world would be better served if they shaved a bit off the profit, and gave some of their invention to those who need it.

      This isn't just rhetorical, it's what I have done with my work, and what a lot of noted inventors have done.

      One Linus Torvalds comes to mind at the moment...

    8. Re:Fool by scottking · · Score: 1

      hahaha... you have our best nurses, that's for sure.

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      scott king
  7. thank god by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was starting to go blind from looking at all the pron on the internet.

    thanks to this man, I will now be able to see better, faster and cheaper!

    1. Re:thank god by beacher · · Score: 1

      From the article - "The current device uses car window tinting film for the membrane and a reservoir of baby oil for applying the correct pressure."

      Looks like you're going to have to switch lubricants too...
      -B

  8. I predict... by Pirogoeth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hmm, a device that can automatically figure out your prescription, and another that can make cheap eyeglasses?

    I see these popping up all over the place, like the "check your blood pressure here" devices.

    If it means that more people who can't afford vision correction can get glasses, whether in a poor country or not, I'm all for it.

    --
    Happiness is like peeing yourself. Everybody can see it but only you can feel its warmth.
    1. Re:I predict... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      More likely, you tell it your perscription and it prints it. There's a lot to determining what a person't perscription should be.

    2. Re:I predict... by JDevers · · Score: 4, Informative

      Um...

      From the article:

      "But efficient lens manufacturing is only half the issue. Proper diagnosis of vision problems is the other half. Current automatic diagnostic technologies are expensive, fragile and error-prone. Because they rely on a patient looking at electronically generated images a few inches away from his or her face, they can lead to incorrect diagnoses. Plus, highly skilled people are required to operate these machines.

      To resolve this problem, Griffith has created a prototype device to test the human eye. Patients need only wear the device, which looks like an oversized pair of goggles, and look at the world around them. An electronic sensor superimposed on the goggles monitors the lens in the wearer's eye and adjusts the device's lens to cancel the refractive errors, thus determining the correct prescription.
      "

    3. Re:I predict... by mrgeometry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, according the link in the original post "molds eyeglasses", he has come up with a goggle-like device that you wear, and as you look around it observes how your eyeballs and lenses change, using feedback to determine the correct prescription... it's in the article about halfway down.

      To me, this seems at least as interesting as being able to actually manufacture eyeglasses. I mean, that's great, but cheap and quick fabrication is ... not really old news, but ... people have been working on that kind of thing for a while, right? How much of his eyeglass fabricator represents significant new advances, versus putting known techniques to a new (and highly laudable!) use? Maybe I'm wrong there, I don't know. But this prescription sensor seems really amazing. Being able to monitor the shape of the lens and cornea as they flex around.... Am I wrong? That seems pretty amazing to me. But he didn't win any awards for that part of it, so maybe that's actually less significant?...

      zach

    4. Re:I predict... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      If it means that more people who can't afford vision correction can get glasses

      Laser vision correction is only viable for a certain subset of lens-correctable conditions, and isn't a good idea if your vision problem isn't static, i.e. you need a different prescription every couple years. Then there's those who don't feel glasses are so bad that they should risk eye surgery to get rid of them

      "afford" isn't really the issue for most people.

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    5. Re:I predict... by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends... are the molded lenses of 'final-use' quality, or do they need some sort of finishing or polishing after the mold process? Then there's shaping the outline of the lenses to match the frames, edging them for stability and glare reduction, etc. Creating plastic lenses that you'd want on your face all day probably taks a bit more than just molding.

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    6. Re:I predict... by zeux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And it's also better for the countries with a social security system.

      At least Iknow that in France the government gives you money (not all the money you need but still) when you buy new eye-correction glasses, both for the glasses and the visit to the doctor to get a prescription.

      It's very expensive for the government and this device could help lower the bill so the spending could be used somewhere else.

      Very good stuff and interesting possibilities here.

    7. Re:I predict... by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      This guy is thinking about more than your "most people"--by which you mean spoiled Americans, no doubt. Most people aren't American, or even living in the first world, and cheap custom glasses would be a wonderful resource for them.

    8. Re:I predict... by carn1fex · · Score: 1

      Yea this will be a marvel to the 3rd world. I tend to forget how totally blind i am without my contacts.. If i could not afford glasses/contacts, i would be easily considered incredibly handicapped and unable to take care of myself. It was that damn amiga 500 monitor that did me in when i was 7 years old!! i swear.

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    9. Re:I predict... by cryptochrome · · Score: 1

      Not all of us can get vision correction. My pupils are too big, for instance. If you do a little research you'll find that laser vision correction as it stands now is neither as sophisticated nor as powerful as it claims to be. Mainly because it only reshapes a small portion of the light-refracting area.

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    10. Re:I predict... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      This guy is thinking about more than your "most people"--by which you mean spoiled Americans, no doubt.

      No, that's not what I mean. Surgical vision correction isn't just a vanity-driven procedure. RK, the original surgical correction, was pioneered by Soviet researchers because it was cheaper-- in Soviet Russia, glasses were in short supply. Surgical correction has been around for a long time, and not just to "spoiled americans". I was taking issue with his casting of surgical correction as a "the rich don't want glasses" type procedure.

      Most people aren't American, or even living in the first world, and cheap custom glasses would be a wonderful resource for them.

      That sentiment is, in fact, the point I was trying to make. There are people (like me) who live in the first world for whom surgery is not an option. People who can barely afford to buy new glasses every 10 years, even though we need new ones about every five years. People for whom the one-time expense of surgical correction would be cheaper than glasses, but for whom it is not an option. This invention has the potential to be a great boon for all people who need glasses, be they a poor dude in Eritrea trying to eke out a living in agriculture, or a lowly american wage-slave like me.

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    11. Re:I predict... by moreati · · Score: 1

      You're thinking about this in the terms of an affluent person with some disposable income. I thought similar things when first reading the slashdot blurb. My first reaction was 'Yeah but thick will they be? Bet the refractive index sucks and they weigh a few hundred grams'.

      Think about this as though $50 for a pair of glasses is an unobtainable luxury. The price that must be aimed for is $5-10, that means one style, less 'perfect' finishing, bare essentials across the board. Nasty, thick rimmed, heavy, affordable glasses are better than perfect but unaffordable ones - ie none at all.

      Think M16 vs AK47. One is American: more accurate, has greater range and is generally higher performing but is dearer. The other is Russian: doesn't require prior training (simply point and shoot), can be mass produced with minimal technology or know how, but is lower performing. The russian gun is to be found all around the world, in every back water squabble and glorious revolution going.

    12. Re:I predict... by Trifthen · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're just looking at the problem all wrong. We know what the proper shape of an eye is, we also know focal distances and distortion effects due to the eye's own lense. Why do we have to stick to the whole "Read this line for me, please," system when we can calculate the best prescription based on known information about how eyes and general optic elements work?

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  9. Well... by telstar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't see this one coming...

    1. Re:Well... by cliffy2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah... who could have seen a Google cache link posted by the editors coming? Not me!

    2. Re:Well... by musselm · · Score: 1

      Call it Googly Eyes.

  10. And so work began.... by youngerpants · · Score: 3, Funny

    On machines building machines, obviously starting with the T-100 series

  11. Doll face? by Halloween+Jack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Griffith... imagines that mass-produced dolls could be individualized by giving each a discrete face.

    Get the Real Doll [NSFW] people on the phone, stat!

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  12. Who's the fool? by heritage727 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you'd RTFA, you would have noticed that the device is patent-pending.

    1. Re:Who's the fool? by jhoffoss · · Score: 1

      And you'd have seen a quote from him stating "I'll get this company going and self-sufficient, providing glasses to third-world nations, and I'll make money elsewhere." He invested the 20k portion of that 30k prize in his company mentioned in the post. The other 10k went to his Thesis advisor.

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  13. Automatic vision testers! hooray! by badmonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I could have sworn one optometrist i went to a few years ago had a machine that automatcially brought an image into focus for me. Way cooler than this stone-age notion of looking at the eye chart as the "doctor" flips lenses. Which one is clearer, one or two. Why do we keep doing this stone age crap?

    I'm all for automatic vision testing, I feel like my current prescription was issued by a talentless hack.

    Automatically testing vision and cranking out lenses is sweet. Next they just need to fire on an AR coating and everyone is good to go.

    1. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1, Funny
      I could have sworn one optometrist i went to a few years ago had a machine that automatcially brought an image into focus for me. Way cooler than this stone-age notion of looking at the eye chart as the "doctor" flips lenses. Which one is clearer, one or two. Why do we keep doing this stone age crap?

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    2. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by lish2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are correct, they do have machines that can automatically determine your prescription. However, they aren't 100% accurate. Generally a good optometrist will do that, then also use that as a factor in where to start the "flip the lenses" bit. Since they have a suggestion of where to start, so it goes much faster. But they still do the manual proceedure. If the two agree, great. But relying on the automated one without any sort of "sanity check" on its accuracy isn't a good idea.

      Also I'm not sure the machines work on determining astigmatism.

    3. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 1

      I, too, used something like this, but I think it is only used for partially determining the prescription. After he used the computer, he still used the little flip lenses to determine my prescription.

    4. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could have sworn one optometrist i went to a few years ago had a machine that automatcially brought an image into focus for me. Way cooler than this stone-age notion of looking at the eye chart as the "doctor" flips lenses. Which one is clearer, one or two. Why do we keep doing this stone age crap?

      If you have an optician who knows his job he'll use both. First you automatically determine a good starting point for the manual "lens flipping". This isn't accurate enough yet. With that good starting point you manually go a bit up and down in the different degrees of freedom you have.

    5. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by Yarn · · Score: 1

      One of the lecturers when I did my optics MSc two years ago built a device which would allow imaging of the retina without surgical intervention. Being able to do this required measuring the properties of the cornea and lens to a phenomenal degree of accuracy.

      So, they decoupled the corrective bit (the expensive bit) to a simple abberation measurement. There's a bit of information here.

      It'd be great to link the two devices together.

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    6. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by Aaron_Pike · · Score: 1
      Also I'm not sure the machines work on determining astigmatism.

      Actually, they do astigmatism, too. My McJob out of school was as an optometric tech, the person who uses the autorefractometer (that's the machine in question) and blows puffs of air into your eyes.

      The machine does judge prescriptions okay, not great, but okay. It doesn't take a lot of training to get a reading, but as with everything else, the better you are at it, the better the results. The patient puts his or her chin in a little cup and the tech lines up the machine with the patent's eyes, one at a time. The tech gets a close up pic of the eye, lines up a reticle with the pupil, and presses a button. In the meantime, the patient is shown a picture of a distant object with homogenous surroundings (ours was a house in the middle of a soy field) which comes in and out of focus. You take a number of readings (we did three for each eye), and then it gives you the results.

    7. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Give me a break, the article had a whole paragraph on existing automatic prescription machines:
      Current automatic diagnostic technologies are expensive, fragile and error-prone. Because they rely on a patient looking at electronically generated images a few inches away from his or her face, they can lead to incorrect diagnoses. Plus, highly skilled people are required to operate these machines.
    8. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by schovanec · · Score: 1

      Any idea how the machine that blows the "puff" of air actually determines the pressure inside of the eye?

    9. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by dagda76 · · Score: 1

      I'm not certain of how the test is done, but the machines are called non-contact tonometers.

    10. Re:Automatic vision testers! hooray! by Aaron_Pike · · Score: 1
      Any idea how the machine that blows the "puff" of air actually determines the pressure inside of the eye?

      Yup. It measures the amount of time it takes for the air puff to reflect off of the eye's surface and hit a sensor. The less pressure in your eye, the more give your eyeball has, and the longer it takes for the air puff to reach the sensor.

      It's not 100% accurate, but it's accurate enough to not have to use the ones that actually touch your eyeball.

  14. Like the idea of the eye test goggles by Sporkinum · · Score: 5, Interesting
    To resolve this problem, Griffith has created a prototype device to test the human eye. Patients need only wear the device, which looks like an oversized pair of goggles, and look at the world around them. An electronic sensor superimposed on the goggles monitors the lens in the wearer's eye and adjusts the device's lens to cancel the refractive errors, thus determining the correct prescription.


    This sounded like even cooler tech to me. I like the idea of something that takes away the subjectivness of the traditional exam for a prescription. He could even throw a glaucoma tester into the goggles.
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    1. Re:Like the idea of the eye test goggles by jstave · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, if these goggles could be made small and light enough, it sounds like they could *be* the glasses -- kind of an autofocus for your face. No more bi/trifocals!

    2. Re:Like the idea of the eye test goggles by plexxer · · Score: 3, Informative

      They already have a device that does this. If you've ever been to a optomotrist, they sit you on a machine that flashes a pattern in front of you and makes some whirrs and clicks, and the doctor writes down the numbers. During my last exam, after my doctor gave me a traditional eye test, I asked her about that machine. She said that it gives the correct prescription nearly ever single time. I guess they do the traditional test just to be sure (or to save themselves a job :)

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  15. Ah crap... by HenryFjord · · Score: 3, Funny

    The pr0n is out of focus again. Time to print off some new glasses.

    1. Re:Ah crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd stop wanking all the time, you wouldn't need to keep getting stronger eyeglass prescriptions. You'd also save a lot on that "Nair for Palms" you buy by the case-load. ;)

  16. Better by NoData · · Score: 5, Informative


    He does it in about 5-10 minutes.

    FTA: ...he created a portable device similar to a desktop printer that can produce any prescription lens from a single-mold surface in five to 10 minutes.

    1. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a joke dumbass. "in about an hour" is a catch phrase of a popular eyeglass chainstore.

    2. Re:Better by glorf · · Score: 2, Funny

      For a second there I thought the F in FTA was the same F as in RTFA and I thought "Man, I know people don't read the articles, but open contempt?"

  17. Re:such a shame by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "what a great way to make sure a great invention never makes it big. I predict that in 10 years it will still have less than 5% market share. kind of like linux."

    As opposed to, say, commercial stuff like Irix, which are ...

    S

  18. "motivated for the good of humanity." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful


    and this folks is what being a real team player is all about, in society where we tell our children that greed and selfishness is bad yet buisnesses teach us the exact opposite , that greed is good and if you are not making 500$ a second profit you are failing, these sorts of things dont come round enough, ask yourself why are you here ? to be a wage slave or to make a real difference to peoples lives

    A>S

  19. Implications beyond eyeglasses by Eagle5596 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm interested in the uses of this machine behind eyeglasses. I've been working on several projects where we are creating instrumentation, and have been surprised to find that optics are both difficult to find in specific diameters and focal lengths, and rather expensive when you do find the optics you need.

    While not a big deal to major corporations who don't balk at shelling out $20 a lens for custom work, for academic projects and independant research, that is a significant chunk of the cost of our prototype, considering the ease and realtive low cost involved in obtaining a microcontroller these days.

    I imagine that, since he can make eye glasses, producing DCX, PCX, DCV, and PCV lenses would be easy too. I'd love to see this kind of machine available at academic institutions for producing parts for research.

    1. Re:Implications beyond eyeglasses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > imagine that, since he can make eye glasses, producing DCX, PCX, DCV, and PCV lenses would be easy too.

      Can't wait for TIFF, JPEG and PNG glasses, too!

  20. If only... by BJZQ8 · · Score: 1

    If only more people in the world were motivated by altruism rather than the almighty dollar...

    1. Re:If only... by fair_n_hite_451 · · Score: 1

      You first ok? ;-)

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    2. Re:If only... by leomekenkamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see why it should be one or the other. Agreed, we've got a lot of Rambus, Enron and SCO alike companies, but there is also this company, or the body shop, which donates 10% of its profits to charity.

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    3. Re:If only... by TheSync · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you look closely at the site, you will see that to effectively get the eyeglass lens molders into work in third-world countries, they will depend on "microentrepreneurs" in those countries selling glasses for about $5 each. These people will, of course, be motivated by the almightly dollar (or rupee or whatever).

    4. Re:If only... by ch-chuck · · Score: 0

      If only more people in the world were motivated by altruism rather than the almighty dollar...

      THEN you would have a huge population of greedy people in poverty waiting for some altruist (i.e., naive rich kid) to come around and do their work for them.

      We can appreciate the dreamy sentiment, but it's always an unrealistic fantasy that inevitably turns into a brutish nightmare of coercion and pretensions. Be natural, use ego and greed for the benefit of humanity. Anything else if an unsustainable fake. Heavens, paradises and utopias are always the abodes of the dead.

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    5. Re:If only... by jhoffoss · · Score: 1

      The point stands, Saul might have been able to make hundreds of thousands off of this device by restricting its usage, charging hefty fees to the micro-entrepreneurs, etc. increasing the cost of the glasses significantly. Frankly, I'm a little surprised MIT hasn't tried to take a bite, unless this was developed outside of MIT, or maybe they are taking a bite. I didn't see anything either way.

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    6. Re:If only... by BJZQ8 · · Score: 1

      I would definately agree that altrism and charity is all too often met with feelings of entitlement and laziness. But I don't feel that altruism necessarily means doing work for someone; putting things in the public domain is a different way of contributing to the public good. But, as things often go, altruistic things are often swalloed by someone with little or no altruistic feelings, and eventually turned to profit and destruction.

  21. More power! by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Funny

    inventor of the Lego powered chocolate printer

    I skimmed the paper, searched for Lego, and as it turns out he's really not uses Legos to power his system. It's merely built out of Legos. I'm disappointed...I thought he developed some sort of fusion generator, a la Back to the Future. Add a flux capacitor and a DeLorean and then I'll really be impressed.

    1. Re:More power! by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 1

      inventor of the Lego powered chocolate printer

      I skimmed the paper, searched for Lego, and as it turns out he's really not uses Legos to power his system. It's merely built out of Legos.

      ...And I thought the printer was made out of chocolate.

      What disappointments!

    2. Re:More power! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, thats not even original.

  22. simplifying sight by JWG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    glasses and eyesight used to be one of those really crazy scientific endeavours. how many of use have had huge, unwieldy glasses when we were younger, and trips to the optometrist were like going to some strange laboratory? things like this are fantastic, simplifying the field and making it more accessible to all. i heard about another system developed that can diagnose stimatism by analyzing the red-eye in a photograph. these kinds of scientific endeavours inspire others!

  23. Only good if sufficiently accurate. by Denyer · · Score: 1
    For instance, my optician thankfully doesn't place much faith in the readings of the equipment he has... otherwise I'd have glasses which caused me pain to read.

    Additionally, the first opthalmologist I saw reckoned I was virtually blind in one eye. Offering to disprove this by closing the other one and seeing if I could still connect a punch presumably wouldn't have gone down too well...

    There's no substitute for an experienced optician, where available. Of course, this work could help hundreds of thousands of people where there aren't.

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  24. Re:More unemployed by MrCam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt this would destroy a profession. It would take years for this to spread and there is still a need for Opthomologists. This would just make Optimologists a little less employable. This might actually increase eye glass sales. I know that I need a new perscription but I can't afford the $200 or more for even cheap exam, glasses and frames. If they could lower the cost of the exam, glasses and frames. I would mostly likely buy a new pair every year. I might even get a couple different types for different occations.

  25. The real cost of glasses? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope his next machine makes the frames. The experiences of folks I know who wear glasses (I don't) has been that the lenses are not the biggest cost, it is the frames. Why do frames cost so damn much? I know super cheap frames would be fine for charitable aid to poor people just so they can see but the cost of your average frames, something that strikes me as pretty simple to make, is way too high in the US.

    Are frames really that complex and hard to make or is there a lack of competition in the marketplace?

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    1. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 3, Funny
      Frames are fashionable. Their costs reflect their designer's "genius".

      I know the average geek can't appreciate fashion. And rightly so. But we have to deal with it.

    2. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's mostly about fashion. Americans like to have the coolest, hippest fashion, so they have to pay for it. My $200 frames only cost $200 because they have an adidas logo on them. (I just like them best, didn't buy them for the logo)

      We also have a taste for titanium, bendy frames, etc. Cheap frames are out there, but they are, um, cheap. Cheaply made, no style, etc.

    3. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the nice ones come from designers and are marked up to make back money for the design (intellectual property?). They are also made out of good materials (titanium, high-tech new plastics...), and the stores have to have a decent markup if they are going to keep a good selection in stock. You can get cheap frames like those on the rack for middle aged farsighted folks at Walgreens, but it's pricey to get frames that you are going to want to wear every day.
      Beleie me I have spent money on this.

    4. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are only a few fabricators of frames. Like almost every other business, the products are just rebranded. There are different types of frames and some do use more expensive materials. That said, there's a huge markup on frames in "designer" stores.

      Sometimes the lens themselves can be expensive if you have a weird prescription. There are also premiums charged for high-refractive lens (so you avoid the coke-bottle look), scratch resistance, tinting, etc.. These can add $200 to the cost of the lens depending on the store. Actual cost is about $5-10 extra so again, there's a huge markup.

    5. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Garfunkel · · Score: 1

      My wife just bought some new glasses. Lenses were about $380 for the pair, the frame I think was $60.

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    6. Re:The real cost of glasses? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Frames are expensive because of style. If you want to look like a dork with big TV glasses, then you can get frames real cheap. For smaller round frames with shiny gold looking arms that look cool, expect to pay an arm or leg.

    7. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's the fashion angle, but the frame makers also have a product that people truly need. What am I going to do, not wear glasses? I don't have a choice; I couldn't read the text box I'm typing in without them. It's a seller's market.

      I don't need or want the very latest style, but I do want a pair of glasses that fits, provides a decent field of corrected vision, flatters my face, *and* is comfortable and durable. This runs me a couple hundred bucks, but glasses are something I wear all day every day and enable me to function...my myopia is such that I would qualify as blind if it were not correctable. The prices on non-designer frames are not unreasonable, given how seldom people replace them and how vital they are.

      Think about it this way...if you had to put something directly over your eyes without which you couldn't carry out the most basic day-to-day activities, wouldn't you want it to to be high-quality and reasonably attractive?

      I don't know if my reasoning applies to people with better vision, who can get by without glasses for most things but still need to wear them for driving and such, but I've never felt cheated by the cost of my frames (and they came with nifty magnetic sunglass lenses--stylin' and oh-so-practical).

      -Carolyn

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    8. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a huge markup because the cost of the equipment to process the lenses is very high. A modern edger (the machine that shapes the lens to fit the frame) can cost upwards of US$25,000!
      Then you have to take into account the maintenance costs, labor costs, etc... So yeah, there's a huge markup, but it's not all profit. Very, very little is, actually.

    9. Re:The real cost of glasses? by drox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The experiences of folks I know who wear glasses (I don't) has been that the lenses are not the biggest cost, it is the frames.

      They must not have ghod-awful prescriptions like mine then. The lenses are still the most costly part of my eyeglass purchases.

      That having been said, I have to ask the same question: Why do frames cost so much? I see non-prescription sunglasses at convenience stores -- with frames not too different from what I'd want for daily-wear glasses -- that cost less than US$20. But just try to find frames for prescription eyeglasses for under US$150. After spending upwards of $US200. for lenses, I'm not pleased about having to spend almost that much for frames so I can actually use the lenses.

      It can't just be the designer names either: Designer (non-prescription) sunglasses are cheap; why can't prescription frames be priced the same?

      My guess is it's because it's a captive market. If you can't wear contacts and don't want surgery, you're stuck paying their exorbitant costs. I wonder if the growing popularity of eye surgery for vision correction will drive down costs, but I'm not holding my breath.

    10. Re:The real cost of glasses? by purplette · · Score: 1

      If you have a simple prescription, maybe your biggest cost is the frame. My personal prescription has ALWAYS cost about $600 Cdn for the lenses and about $150 Cdn for the frames. I'd go for this, especially since my prescription appears to be changing every couple of years now.

    11. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (and they came with nifty magnetic sunglass lenses--stylin' and oh-so-practical).

      And did you sit there and play with them for a minute or two when you first got them? (I'm a tactile person and found it very engrossing.)

    12. Re:The real cost of glasses? by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 1

      I tried to see how far away from the frames I could hold the sunglasses and still get them to "jump" into place. They make a very satisfying click.

      I also test various office supplies to see if they're ferromagnetic.

      -Carolyn

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    13. Re:The real cost of glasses? by STrinity · · Score: 1
      • Why do frames cost so much? I see non-prescription sunglasses at convenience stores -- with frames not too different from what I'd want for daily-wear glasses -- that cost less than US$20.


      Those are the low-end glasses for the masses. If you ever visit a dedicated sun-glass store, the top-of-the-line models (ones worn by stars in the movies) are about the same as the corrective models.
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    14. Re:The real cost of glasses? by schovanec · · Score: 1

      Are frames with magnetic sunglasses common still? My father had a pair a few years ago. I recently replaced my glasses near the end of last year and with all of the frames I looked at, they had to send them to a company that makes custom clips to exactly match the shape of the frame. They're not magnetic, but they work well. I did have to wait a week for them though.

    15. Re:The real cost of glasses? by schovanec · · Score: 1

      Wow, that seems high. I have a rather strong prescription myself and was able to get a pretty decent pair of glasses for just over $400 CAD at a local independent store. They have high index lenses (thin, for those who don't know glasses.. maybe not the thinnest available though I'm not sure) and I got custom clip-on sunglasses with them.

    16. Re:The real cost of glasses? by purplette · · Score: 1

      my eyes are independently near sighted. The bad one is good to abt 3", the good one to 6". What adds to the cost is the highest pos index lenses, so that I don't end up lopsided :) (at least any more than I already am)

  26. More Wishes! by dewboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want a desktop fabricator that can create a desktop fabricator.

    Mmm.... Recursion...

    1. Re:More Wishes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, there will be 'some assembly required' :D

  27. He would need to invent transparent chocolate firs by Chemisor · · Score: 4, Funny

    He would need to invent transparent chocolate first, and if that can not be a billion dollar business, then transparent aluminum most certainly will be.

  28. Eye Doctors becomming obsolete by pudge_lightyear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow... could it be that in a few years, traditional eye doctors will become obsolete, replaced by scientists and machine assemblers who never see a patient. I'm taking this from the guy who said he could see these next to the blood pressure machine in wal-mart.

    Could this be the writing on the wall for any similar "traditionally" professional occupations. If this is the case for eye doctors, which I'm sure didn't "SEE" this coming, I wonder what's next. Could there be a machine that analyzes your blood and prescribes through a vending machine your prescription?

    OR... could I be thinking the insane thinking that many slashdotters and other people do when this type of thing is first invented.

    Remember that cars were going to fly long before the year 2000.

    1. Re:Eye Doctors becomming obsolete by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Eye doctors do more than just prescribe eyeglasses. They can also diagnose eye diseases and conditions, and refer patients to more specialized medical treatments. For example, the fact that someone's eyesight is decreasing could be due to blood vessels bursting inside the eye as a result of diabetes. A simple machine that just measures your eyeglass prescription cant check that.

      Comparing this with bloodpressure devices is silly. Any data about a specific measurement of a condition in the body has to be assessed along with other contextual data (other symptoms or lack thereof) to determine if there's a problem.

      So, until you can have a machine that can read all possible physical data outputs from a person's body, and analyse in real time all possible medical problems based on those measurements, I doubt doctors of any field will become obsolete.

    2. Re:Eye Doctors becomming obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone thinks eye doctors will become obsolete. What *may* happen is that eye doctors won't spend their time figuring out the shape of a person's eye for the purposes of glasses (which always seemed just horribly boring) and will spend their time concentrating on actual medical problems of the eye. This may mean there will be a need for less of them, but we aren't replacing medical doctors quite yet folks...

    3. Re:Eye Doctors becomming obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer lawyers. Let's get 'em, boys!

  29. Kudos to Saul Griffith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Having -8.5 dioptre I can imagine how it would suck to life without noseglasses.

    Well, thanks to this man there might soon be roughly 1 billion people less with such a problem.

    Good Job.

  30. Anthem by Chemisor · · Score: 0

    Read "Anthem" by Ayn Rand to find out exactly what would happen if more people in the world were motivated by altruism rather than the almighty dollar.

    1. Re:Anthem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what makes you think that she got anything right in that book in the first place?

    2. Re:Anthem by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Ayn Rand is a kook anyway, so... Feh...

    3. Re:Anthem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or, instead of reading speculative fiction, maybe you could read "The Story of My Experiments With the Truth" by M.K. Gandhi to find out exactly what would happen if more people in the world were motivated by altruism rather than the almighty dollar.

    4. Re:Anthem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow...intriguing argument...oh wait...no...you're a slashcommie

      go die now

    5. Re:Anthem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god, you've used the A.R name...
      prepare to be put at -5 troll and have 20 responses calling you a:
      1-nut
      2-evil kapitalist
      3-booooosh
      4-someone not giving socialism/communism "a chance"
      5-racist/homophobe/extremist/someother-is t
      6-all of the above

      you're completely right of course, but it's wasted on this crowd of moonbats

    6. Re:Anthem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for saying this. Its depressing to see the more technically literate of slashdot be so confused ethically.

  31. Re:He would need to invent transparent chocolate f by batemanm · · Score: 2, Informative
    transparent aluminum most certainly will be.

    Isn't that aluminum oxide commonly called alumina?

  32. This guy also makes other stuff by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Informative
    Like Plastic Bicycles and Toys.

    Here's his first glasses prototype! Welcome back to the eighties! ;)

    1. Re:This guy also makes other stuff by DavidBrown · · Score: 1

      Spaceman Spiff wears these...

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  33. Who can't afford vission correction? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting
    How about those of us who rather were glasses or contact then having someone cut at our eyes with a laser? -5 ain't so bad as being blind thank you very much.

    But seriously this guy made two wonderfull inventions. They now collect "old" glasses to send to third world but this is a logistics nightmare.

    Imagine a simple jeep outfitted with these inventions doing the rounds in poor areas. Put the tester on and voila few minutes later a pair of glasses. 1 day per village. Couple of jeeps. Shouldn't take long at all (after all it is not like glasses need to replaced that often, even in the west once a year is good enough even for still growing kids).

    As far as I know it ain't the material that is costly in glasses but the whole distribution process. Plenty of bargain chains around that can offer really really cheap glasses due to scale and not offering specialist lenses. This looks even cheaper for hard to reach areas.

    Brilliant.

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    1. Re:Who can't afford vission correction? by pjt33 · · Score: 1
      even in the west once a year is good enough even for still growing kids

      My opticians wanted me to come back every six months, and sometimes my prescription went up (well, down - negative numbers) by 0.75 to 1 diopters in those six months.

    2. Re:Who can't afford vission correction? by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      "Vision correction" means anything that corrects your vision, such as glasses, contact lenses, or horrible invasive surgery.

      Therefore, the beginning of your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense....

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    3. Re:Who can't afford vission correction? by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      Imagine a simple jeep outfitted with these inventions doing the rounds in poor areas. Put the tester on and voila few minutes later a pair of glasses. 1 day per village. Couple of jeeps. Shouldn't take long at all (after all it is not like glasses need to replaced that often, even in the west once a year is good enough even for still growing kids).

      And then, when everyone is wearing these glasses, flip the mind control switch!

    4. Re:Who can't afford vission correction? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

      True, I thought he meant laser eye surgery not lenses. My bad. Just that people keep suggesting it since a company doing it was doing an ad campaign. Apart from the cost there is a risk (small) that your eye sight goes even worse. Not worse as in -6 but worse as in partially or completly blind. Eeek.

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  34. Ah, the subjective eye exam... by johnjay · · Score: 1

    "Tell me which view is better: choice 1 or choice 2?"

    "Um..."

    1. Re:Ah, the subjective eye exam... by cubic6 · · Score: 1

      I like bold better. Italics make me have to slant my head.

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  35. Wrong kind of idealism by e.m.rainey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get your mod points ready...

    I "like" how the story posters of slashdot are blinded by these bland phrases like "good of humanity". What exactly does that mean here? Is he giving it away for free? No, but it will be cheap. Is he opening the IP up? No, it's patent pending. In fact he's begining to sound like a (*gasp*) capitalist! And we all know they been knocked around here enough to be demonized. But unsuprisingly when a capitalist helps the poor by helping himself he's a put up on a pedastal as the savior of humanity, but if he helps himself by helping the rich or even just the middle class he's deridded as a scum sucking bottom feeder business man. Why the double standard, slashdot? Why? Is it because the motives seem more pure or somehow more righteous? That perhaps, because poor people get the short end of the stick all over the world that they don't just need help, but somehow deserve it too? That we are compelled to serve them? And when we don't feel compelled by this directive we've somehow failed at an obvious yet never stated goal of life?

    What this guy has done is great, not because it will help poor people but because he's been extremely clever. I hope he makes an assload of money. Of course once he does make a reasonable sum, some people will complain that his motives aren't pure anymore. One can only hope they can synthesize becoming rich and helping poor people in the same thought.

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    1. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by proj_2501 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The poor need help, and this guy is giving them help, which many people don't do. Seriously, how hard is this to understand?

    2. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by danknight · · Score: 1

      Funny, I was thinkng sorta the same thing, if one actually looks at the about page on the site you will find that they are a For Profit company1 (Oh the horror!) Personally I think capitalism makes the world go around, whats wrong with making a living? Not to get too far off topic but I think government regulation should be based on how large a businees is. I.E, a startup like them, should have miniaml regulation and the Mirosofts and Wall-Marts should be regulated to the hilt. If done properly it would allow innovation while making it difficult to become a monopoly.

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    3. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by CuriHP · · Score: 1

      They may need help, but I fail to see why I should be obligated to help them.

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    4. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by raisin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your post sounds more like an excuse to be bitter, even though it doesn't really have much to do with the person in question, or the story. You raise a really good point, but it's not particularly relevant here.

      It's awfully cynical to suggest that "good of humanity" and the slightest wiff of "capitalism" be so diametrically opposed. Abusive capitalism can always be a problem, but as it exists here, there's nothing to suggest that it's the least bit abusive. The business venture side of this project (http://www.lowcosteyeglasses.net/) is in the business of helping a lot of people correct their vision who had no chance of getting glasses in the past.

      Think about it, he's developed a method for low-cost eyeglasses, and is targeting developing nations with it. Why try for a few pennies off of poor people when he could instead make his "assload of money" off of lots of the other ideas/abilities he has (as mentioned in the article). This is something that actually has good intentions, don't be so shocked!

    5. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by YellowBook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you may be missing the point. It's good to help people. It's very good to make money by helping people. This is what's called Right Livelihood in Buddhism. It's one of the components of the Noble Eightfold Path.

      I don't think most Slashdotters have anything against a free market. I certainly don't. What I do object to, however, are business models that rely on distortions of the free market: state-enforced private monopolies in land, raw materials, and information; the externalization of the costs of production (e.g., pollution, paying less than a living wage so that the state is forced to step in to prevent poverty, not paying health care so that the cost of the uninsured is pushed off on the state and on hospitals), the exploitation of workers (as above, but also lockouts, the use of private or state violence to break strikes, company towns, slavery, etc.), and the use of deceptive marketing to avoid the free-market ideal of a fully-informed consumer. All of these things are part of capitalism, but they're not part of a free market. Rather, they are deviations from a free market that benefit the class of people that already own property. For a look at what a real free market would look like, read up on Mutualism.

      What's good about this story is that the business plan uses a real free-market solution to do well by doing good. Not only should it dramatically reduce the cost of glasses in underserved parts of the world, it will also provide "micro-entrepeneurs" in poor areas to make a living while doing so. When done properly, a free market can benefit everyone. However, the non-free market we call corporate capitalism doesn't do this.

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    6. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up!

    7. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by Zardoz44 · · Score: 1
      Wrong. The poor need money. It's in their power to get it.

      The disabled need help because they don't have the power to get money.

      No money == no food == no life.

    8. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      It's not in their power to get it. That's unfounded faith in The American Dream(tm)

    9. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a line from A Cristmas Carol that fits here. Don't quite remember what it is, but you'd be best to read the book, or at least watch the movie.

      Humanity is your business, or something like that.

    10. Re:Wrong kind of idealism by danila · · Score: 1

      What is more important - ending world hunger or designing a new burger for McDonalds?

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  36. No lack of scale and logistics by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are cheap stores with cheap frames but they offer a very small selection.

    In more upbeat stores frames are closer to designer clothing. You pay because the costs of designing a new model is only spread over a few models. Ford Focus costs less then say the latest ferrari and that ain't just the cost of manufacturing.

    But yes for those in need a single frame design in a couple of sizes (for different size heads) is not that expensive. Just ask any army that used to issue soldiers with glasses. Or for that matter look at the cost of sunglasses.

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    1. Re:No lack of scale and logistics by jhoffoss · · Score: 2, Funny
      Just ask any army that used to issue soldiers with glasses.
      HA! Then we won't need to market safe sex or distribute condoms to the third world either, because the BCG's will take care of it. (Birth Control Glasses)
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  37. Nope... by Sirch · · Score: 1

    Not at all - they'd be sunglasses!

    1. Re:Nope... by jcr · · Score: 1

      No good. They'd melt.

      -jcr

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  38. How long before... by Zangief · · Score: 3, Funny

    He is sued by the people who makes the eyeglasses today?

  39. Myopia research by adept256 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Griffith has created a prototype device to test the human eye.

    I have a scientist friend who's currently researching myopia. I must tell him about this! I'm not too familiar with the nature of his research, but I do know that he's harvested roughly 3000 chicken eyes while gathering data... not sure what he does with them... sorry ;)

    The article is pretty vague about the workings and capabilities of this prototype. Does anyone have more information on this?

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    1. Re:Myopia research by pdbogen · · Score: 1

      Ah, but really... Is it mypoia research... OR VOODOO WITCHCRAFT?!

  40. CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the parent is a Troll?

    I know it's 10AM in the US and american slashdotters are the majority right now... But the is a new low... even for american slashdotters...

  41. Is this feature included? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the eyeglass maker automagically engrave "IHTFP" into each lens?

  42. Tapioca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do know that he's harvested roughly 3000 chicken eyes while gathering data... not sure what he does with them

    Just don't eat any tapioca pudding at his house, ok?

  43. Imagine the price of the ink! by littleghoti · · Score: 3, Funny

    And you think printer cartridges are expensive now!

    1. Re:Imagine the price of the ink! by muzthe42nd · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you'd easily be able to print some more full cartridges...

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  44. eyeglass.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they have pretty cheap frames in all the cool geek retro styles.

    www.eyeglass.com

  45. hrrrm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This post is intensely confusing. I have no trouble with your suggested "synthesis". If that was the point of your rant, let it be known that it didn't help me at all.

    Perhaps you do have a lot of trouble grokking that synthesis yourself, and that is why you're projecting this schizophrenic jumble onto slashdot?

    Sheesh - I can't tell - are you just bitter, or what?

    And WTF, +5 INSIGHTFUL? Exactly what 'insight' is there here? It seems that his point is smothered in the 8th grader's version of Ayn Rand.

  46. The difference by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Usually, there is no interest in finding solutions for the world's poor - because the profit margins are vanishingly small compared to selling things to the world's middle and upper classes.

    This guy is great because, while he will be trying to make some money (guy's gotta eat, you know), he engineered a solution for a problem everyone overlooked because despite the potential for improving a great number of people's quality of life, the potential profit margin was too low.

    Personally, I think he needs to package this system up and sell it and supplies to the four-eyed with money first. I'd like to be able to print out new lenses whenever I wanted, and if his process really is so much better, it would be cheaper than buying every couple of years from my optometrist.

    1. Re:The difference by Zardoz44 · · Score: 1
      Look at MacDonalds and Coca-Cola. They make their fortunes from the poor, and both products can be considered luxeries. So,

      1. Most the of the world's population is poor.
      2. More market share equals more profit (ideally).

      Therefore, if you make a product cheap enough for the poor, you get potential access to 100% of the market, instead of just the 20% at the top for instance. I'm sure this guy was selfish and thinking about nothing but his potential profits when he came up with this, but nobody likes to hear that because we know nothing good comes from selfishness right? So lets all go on deluding ourselves that his only motivation was helping people, because that's the only way good inventions get made. Otherwise evil ensues.

  47. Re:Wilbon's America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I understand, he's taking a few months off from radio, but his show will re-appear as a local, Washington-centric show on SportsTalk 980.

  48. Still need to see the doctor though by bluGill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, all the eye tests I've had in the last few years have started with the machine. I'm told that some places just use the machine, but I've never seen one and I wouldn't go to one.

    I go to the eye doctor to have my eyes checked. This is more than just get the correct glasses. The doctor needs to look in my eye and make sure that all the pieces are still in place.

    I've heard of several different problems that need to be checked for once in a while. They all have complex medical names that I haven't a hope of spelling. See your eye doctor regularly and make sure that if you get one of them, it is corrected early.

  49. Re:such a shame by Fizzl · · Score: 1

    Well, you must admit the original analogy was flawed and your posts parent corrected it.

  50. Re:'Making a difference' isn't always good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm, yeah I see. So basically you really have no point with respect to the comment, but you really felt the need to post something anyways. Thank you for blessing us with your wonderful insights!

  51. Re:Hmmm. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see how good a interferometric telescope would a beowulf cluster of those would make...

  52. Useful Patent by Famatra · · Score: 1

    "Griffith's patent-pending device essentially eliminates these problems."

    Yes, and this is exactly what patents are for, new useful non-obvious inventions. His invention will help a lot of people and I hope he gets money from it so he will be encouraged to make more useful products.

  53. Re:He would need to invent transparent chocolate f by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    It's called sapphire (or Corundum ). It's used for windows for all sorts of exotic applicaions.

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  54. Pay attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fail to see anyone telling you that you're obligated to help, so why did you even bother posting?

  55. Obligatory Stephenson by shokk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age was a good fiction book on the effects of a society where people have their own personal matter reconstruction equipment. Those with the cheap units are subjected to lives full of cheap commodity throwaway (but completley recyclable!) things, while those with more money for the better equipment can have better, higher quality things. And those able to afford real hand-made objects seem to hold themselves above all that.

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  56. Sure. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    If he's so into helping humanity, he'd give way away his invention.

    1. Re:Sure. by axis-techno-geek · · Score: 1
      Why?

      Then LensCrafters/ShoppersOptical type chain glass stores could make 6-12 times as many lenses in a hour, and still charge you the same price for the lenses, and laugh all the way to the bank.

      He might as well make a living, he can sell his machines to the chains and give them to the Red Cross.

      Nothing will ever get cheaper, just "New & Imporved"

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    2. Re:Sure. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Yep. Might as well.

  57. Open source kites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saul also designs and builds open source kites.
    See his website at www.zeroprestige.org.

  58. Ob Star Trek by red+floyd · · Score: 1

    It'll be interesting to see if eyeglasses are as needed in the long run.

    Sure the will be, especially if you're allergic to Retinax V.

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  59. automatic presciption finder. by martin · · Score: 2

    The best bit of this is the automatic it actually finds the correct lens for you eye.

    At last something can put on your face and a few minutes later have a correct setting for the lens you need.

    I'm sure all the opticians/optomatrists will be sad to loose they jobs (or at least part of the job) to and automated system .But this has got to make to whole process so much easier especially when trying to prescribe lenses for young children or those with communication (eg speach) difficulties.

    The fact it then goes off and quickly makes the lens is purely a plus point in my view.

    1. Re:automatic presciption finder. by peitao · · Score: 1

      It'll take more for optometrists to lose their jobs... There are many many factors that go into making a pair of glasses correctly, and while much of that can be automated, the rest is subjective. I'm sure my sister (an optometrist) would welcome this kind of machine in her office to do the basic workup and screening, freeing her up to do the real diagnosis and perscription.

      Different people react differently to all sorts of things like lens material, especially migraine sufferers.

      Different perscriptions are appropriate for different situations, for example you need a lower perscription for computer use, and higher perscription for driving at night (because your perscription changes slightly when your eyes dilate). The degree of these small variations is subjective, and it takes knowledge and experience (and several tries) to figure out what's right for each person.

      Aside from just writing a perscription, an optometrist routinely checks for a long list of eye problems and diseases. If you haven't had a complete eye exam in a while (or ever), it'd be a good idea, especially if covered by insurance. It's also highly recommended for babies at about 6 months. There are many problems such as lazy eye that can be corrected easily through vision therapy if diagnosed at that point.

      This obviously would be a great advance for poor areas where optometry is unavailable, and can provide a cheap basic pair of lenses to everyone. But there is alot more to it than just another machine at Walmart. Count your blessings and get an eye exam if it's available to you. Kinda hard to be a computer geek without eyes...

  60. But, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't SCO own the IP on this already?

  61. Patenting it IS "opening the IP up" by Hooptie · · Score: 5, Informative
    After he receives his patent, you or anyone else will be able to see EXACTLY how this device works. This is how the patent process is supposed to work. In exchange for letting the entire world know about/study his creation he will, for a limited time, have exclusive control over the rights to manufacture it. According to R.K. Dewan & Co. (IP Attorneys) "An inventor has to disclose his/her invention in such a manner that any person, other than the inventor, skilled in the art should be able to work out the invention."

    Not "opening the IP up" would be manufacturing a "black box" that creates eyeglasses that cannot be opened or studied in any way, at least not without the lawyers/hit squad coming after you. The inventor would still have exclusive control over the rights to manufacture it, but no other person would be able to study it in any way.

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  62. Re:such a shame by MasTRE · · Score: 1

    >> "what a great way to make sure a great invention never makes it big. I predict that in 10 years it will still have less than 5% market share. kind of like linux."

    > As opposed to, say, commercial stuff like Irix, which are ...


    Lesson being that unless there's some lying and deceit going on, it ain't gonna cut the mustard in the lovely world we built for ourselves.

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  63. Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have wondered if it were possible to make a program that could help determine the shape of the corrective lens needed for a vision defect.

    Since with high resolution monitors and 256 (or more)levels of gray available, it should be possible to create an 'eye chart' that looks bleary and out-of-focus to a normally-sighted person but sharp and clearly-focused to someone with deformed vision.

    I imagine a program where the user can adjust the software implementations (precise changes on the screen regards to the blurring of the chart characters that mimic the effect of an individual lens) of the various corrective lens stages of an eye exam. When the user is seeing clear and focused characters on the eye chart, the program would know from the distortions of the normal chart needed to create this clarity exactly what the eyeware prescription would need to be for this individual user.

    The user could send the eyeglass perscription to a off-shore eyeware maker and get perscription glasses made at a tiny fraction of inflated American prices. Or order the glasses made by the method developed by the subject of this article.

    1. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by jonom · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      If you'd RTFAs, you'd see that he's got that covered.

    2. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by R_Harrold · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A device similar to this already exists Last time I went in to a new optometrist they had a gadget which they had me look into which 'automaticaly' determined my prescription by (I Assume) measuring the distortion experienced by a low power laser shined into my eye. The result was fairly close to my actual prescription and would be quite close enough especially if you didn't have ready access to the miscellaneous additional gadgets required to really fine-tune a prescription. Another note is this, I'll use a nearsighted person with astigmatism for this example, The variables for each eye are: Spherical Abberation: Negative number measured in .25 increments ranging from 0 (no correction) to -8 or more (lots of correction) Astigmatism: Abberation measures in .25 increments ranging from 0 to the amount of spherical correction. Axis: The axis along which the Astigmatism occurs (I don't know what the increment for this is, This one has been constant for me for the past 20 years so I haven't seen much in the way of samples... I do know that 70 degrees and 110 degrees are valid values) Note that I am not an Optometrist, so someone who is more aware should feel free to correct me, but If I make the following assumptions we end up with quite a large problem to be placed on a chart: Spherical: 0 to -8.5 -- 34 possible Astigmatism: 0 to Spherical -- 0 to 34 possible Axis: 0 to 180 degrees in 10 degree steps -- 18 possible lots of combinations spring to mind, I'd say go with the existing automated machines. Possibly combine the marketing for the automated lens fabrication with a program to encourage optometrists to donate their older 'automated prescription baseline devices (or whatever they are officially called'.

    3. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since with high resolution monitors and 256 (or more)levels of gray available, it should be possible to create an 'eye chart' that looks bleary and out-of-focus to a normally-sighted person but sharp and clearly-focused to someone with deformed vision.


      This will not work - a patient with poor eyesight will see everything on the monitor with greater bluuriness than a person with perfect sight.

    4. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by jridley · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, not possible. Blurry vision will make a blurry object blurrier. There's a difference between a blurry picture and a picture seen blurrily.

      If what you propose were possible, it would be possible to fix the focus on an out-of-focus picture; after all, a camera with the focus set too close is exactly the same as a near-sighted person.

      You could put a lens in front of the monitor to blur it optically in the right way so that the person with blurry vision would see clearly. Move same lens closer to patient, and it's their glasses. Obviously, we've had this technology for a LONG time...

      It's possible that holographic displays, if they existed in the real world, could do this.

    5. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by Absurd+Being · · Score: 1

      You CAN fix the focus on an out of focus picture. You convert it into sinc functions, and re-interpret it mathematically to a properly focused image. The misplaced lens only acts as an analog spatial function, knowing the function, you can work backwards to the input light field.

      With the right input function (which would require laser collimated light sent through a SLM such as an LCD screen to be a proper function) you can get a clear image out of a blurry eye. After determining the transfer function of the eye, it is then possible to make a very complicated lens that performs the analog inverse function of the blurry eye, and restore normal vision.

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    6. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no you can't the information has been lost.

      if you 'convert it to sinc functions' --- the resulting best image would be at a much lower resolution.

      it's just not possible to refocus a blurry image without adding more information

      if you had two or three shots of the same thing but all were blurry, you may then be able to make a better focused image combining them.

      maybe a low res security camera taking 60 fps of a fixed location would be able to read a license plate that looks blurry from a still frame shot for example.

      but what you are saying is just against the laws of thermodynamics.

    7. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by mangu · · Score: 1

      Some information has been lost, but most of it still remains in the picture, only spread out. You can, to a certain degree, improve the sharpness of an out-of-focus picture. That's what they did to the first pictures that came out of the Hubble, before they sent the shuttle to install the correction lenses.

    8. Re:Companion Program for eyeware perscriptions by Pig+Bodine · · Score: 4, Informative
      You CAN fix the focus on an out of focus picture. You convert it into sinc functions, and re-interpret it mathematically to a properly focused image. The misplaced lens only acts as an analog spatial function, knowing the function, you can work backwards to the input light field.

      You can deblur to some extent. However it is an ill-posed problem: Roughly speaking, in one dimension for simplicity, if you blur by a point spread function h(x), this is convolution of your original image f(x) to get a blurred image g(x):

      g(x)=h(x)*f(x)

      where "*" is convolution. If you take Fourier transforms, convolution becomes multiplication and

      G(w)=H(w)F(w)

      has zeros in the frequency domain and if you try to divide by H(w) to invert the blurring

      F(w)=G(w)/H(w)

      Then H(w_0)=0 for some frequency w_0 (actually many frequencies) and you are dividing by zero when computing F(w_0). This magnifies any non-blurring related noise or error in G(w) (which is always present) and you get garbage back. Practical deblurring schemes like Wiener filtering, Tikhonov regularization and total variation regularization effectively limit the component of the reconstructed F(w) at or near those frequencies. Thus some information is lost: you don't even try to get F(w_0) right. But the effect can still be quite good. Typically this results in a less blurry image with less sharp edges. I don't think you could do this sort of regularization with a lens, but I could be wrong.

      Some pretty pictures and comparisons of various algorithms can be found at Deblurring

  64. History by jafac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you read about the history of eyeglasses, you'll learn that back in the middle ages, when what we, today, call "proper" eyeglasses (not just a simple magnifier, but a lens that corrects for nearsightedness or farsightedness) - were invented, in Venice Italy, their fabrication was a carefully guarded trade secret. Corrective eyeglasses were for the extremely wealthy only. Among the extremely wealthy, of course, were the keepers of this secret.

    Think about the millions of people who were functionally blind, and could not afford glasses due to this trade secret.

    And now - due to openness of the technique, and this new technology, optical health insurance (and the incredibly obnoxious markups on lenses and frames that came with it) may no longer be necessary. Let's hope so.

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  65. No fool by amightywind · · Score: 1
    I'm sure he'll be overjoyed when he graduates, finds himself unemployed and realizes just how much money he could have made and helped the world by patenting his invention and licensing it out.

    People like Saul employ. They do not need to be employed.

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    an ill wind that blows no good
  66. good prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey, even the rimless (like that dude from CSI-LV) frames are good.

  67. about $25 a pair in my area by peter303 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The discount eyeglass makers in my city are offering two pairs of glasses with frames & lenses (subject to some extreme prescriptions) plus eye exam for $69. Can this new technology keep up with the relentless cost-cutting in conventional technology?

  68. Sadly- by purduephotog · · Score: 1

    I tried to include that pun in the summary, but no matter how I tried I simply couldn't get it in there. It was hard enough finding a link to the chocolate printer ;)

  69. Hmm... they already have something similar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but likely more expensive.

    I had an eye exam a couple of weeks ago at a new doctor, and they had me look into a machine that took a simple image (like a children's book illustration of a house) and made it go from super blurry to much too sharp, and then repeated the process I think 5 times total. Based on that, the tech said she had at minimum a X% (I think it was 95, might have been 98) accurate match for my prescription, even with a pretty bad astigmatism.The opthamologist then honed it down to the precise prescription from there. But even 95-98% is extremely good and would have worked quite well for me... if his invention can do that for people and then turn around and create the lenses quickly, that would be fantastic.

    Of course, if the companies that make frames get involved, those developing countries will be bankrupted. Maybe he can come up with one that prints nice looking frames for under $100.. or even better, one that says "sure, we can use your old frames"

  70. I posted the google link by purduephotog · · Score: 1

    No way in hell do I want someone trashing a webserver that can't handle it.

    Besides, the original piece was a PDF. Want to see how long that took to destroy the server?

  71. Glasses, eyeglasses, tootheye... by dargaud · · Score: 1
    It took me a while to figure out that 'eyeglasses' actually meant the glasses I currently have on my nose. I'd never heard them called like that before.

    Which reminded me of something. When reading Kim Stanley Robinson's there are some references to a character wearing a tootheye. I could never figure out what this was. Even google is no help.

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    1. Re:Glasses, eyeglasses, tootheye... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/l aunched/2004-01-24/toothineyeimplant_0124.PDF

      Tooth-in-Eye implant?

  72. helping kids .. or not by jdkane · · Score: 1
    And I also love the cartoon this guy is helping to develop to tap into the curious/inventive nature of kids.

    However the "Ice Board" cartoon looks like it could use some sort of legal disclaimer or "ask your parents for help" text. This kid is going to end up slicing himself in half! I'm not even a parent and that cartoon scares me.

  73. But if it's cheap and fast.... by Maarek_1 · · Score: 1

    is it any good? If so, what does that say about the triangle of cheap, fast and good? Honestly, since I am behind a proxy I have a hard time reading these articles, does it say anything about the quality of the glasses it can produce?

  74. Gee, thanks! Re:Anthem by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    I was going to make a wise-ass remark at the expense of Rand, but a serious reference to her in this context is funnier than anything I could have come up with.

  75. Patent Pending by symbolic · · Score: 1

    Griffith's patent-pending device essentially eliminates these problems.

    While I'd truly agree that this is innovative, and definitely worth a patent, I can't help but wonder whether the patent will remain under Griffith's control, and for, as the summary suggests, humanitarian purposes. I hope that 5 years from now we're not seeing Microsoft Eyeglass v1.0, available only on a heavily DRM'ed machine, and only via a huge annual licensing fee.

  76. interesting, but cost is not the right target by wmeyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I used to purchase my glasses from a "dispensing optician" when I lived in Toronto. The way it worked was that I paid his cost for the lenses and frames, and a fee for his share in things. Lenses were less than CDN$10 a pair (in 1993). So the invention is interesting, but the notion of lessening the cost is unlikely. The cost of lenses is small, but the margin on lenses is high.

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    --- Bill
  77. Just what keratoconus sufferers are looking for? by schwatoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No pun intended.

    I have keratoconus (basically a deformity in the cornea) and some days I can see fine and some days things are a little blury. The only solutions are either rigid contact lenses (ick) or cornea replacement surgery (double ick). Glasses aren't much of a solution for me because my eyes shift so much that a prescription would maybe last a month or two at most.

    Maybe with this device I could cheaply fab lenses that would work for me until my eyes morph again. And then all I'd need to do is fab another pair.

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    I have trouble with passwords among other things.
  78. This won't see daylight by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    I knew someone who was an actual grad student from MIT. According to this individual more than 98% of the inventions NEVER see the consumer markets.

    I don't think this is limited to MIT. Alot of schools end up OWNING your invention since it was innovated on college campus.

    As a result... the student often have a choice. Either get the school rich or nobody get rich.

  79. Be smart Saul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the lawsuits... He better sell it anywhere but the US. Attorneys will put him out of business very quickly.

    All someone has to do is claim that his machine made their eyesight worse, and that will be it. Before you know it hundreds will be on the bandwagon for a class action suit.

    He is working against an *army* of optometrists, and opthamalogists who would gladly sit in a courtroom as an expert witness, since his machine replaces them.

    Hopefully he just sells this in other countries.

    l8,
    AC

  80. Blood pressure machines by Gorimek · · Score: 1

    Those blood pressure machines at the drug store sucks BTW. They're wildly inaccurate and serve little other purpose than to scare peopl einto talking to their doctor. Which I suppose saves some lives, but don't trust the numbers you get for a second.

    My doctor tells me this.

    Off topic? Yup.

  81. Why glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Saul, here is an idea for you.

    Why glasses?

    Why not straight to the root of the problem?

    How about a low-cost, self-administered laser eye-surgeon machine?

    Or maybe even further, some iris muscle(?) adjuster nanosomething?

    Or further down the road, a gene screening and adjusting nanosomething for pregnant women, so that perfect sight corrections would be achieved at the fetus state?

    Okay, that may cause Suppressed fetus memory syndrome, and all the legal craps that follows, right?

    How about egg or sperm penetration pre-treatment?
    Possibly combined with some afrozediac...

    Ah... I just love that my mind can go high without any chems :)

  82. Problems I see with this invention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is not mentioned is how this eyeglassmaking device will deal with aberrations of the Lens, IIRC there's spheric,chromatic and one other aberration that have to be dealt with in eyeglasses making them quite hard to produce.

    Other Problem I see is the durability of the lenses depends on the coating , which means that a lens made of one Plastic can easily scratch.
    Also these without coating will reflect a lot.
    Also an automatic refractometer might not detect a compensated Hyperopia (The lens in the eye will accomodate by going +1 or +x diopters) these people will see well but have Strabismus or headaches, but not problems with visual accuity. So having a qualified person treating them will still have to be necessary.

    But apart from these problems there is definitely a market for cheap glasses in third world countries.
    Good Job.

  83. Offshore? Screw that by ksheff · · Score: 1

    Places like LensCrafters exist for one main reason: people get their new glasses the same day. This technology would allow them to crank them out even faster. You would spend more time picking out the frames than you would for the lenses being made. Since the process would be cheaper and faster, you will have more people buying glasses to accessorize like they do shoes.

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  84. Empty soda cans! Old computers! Recycle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    empty soda cans! Get a shopping cart. Wander around picking up garbage.

    Put in fabricator. Profit!

  85. Nice Photo by meme_vector · · Score: 0

    Is is just me, or does the photo in the article look like he's holding a certain 'device' from Austin Power #1?

  86. Automatic eye testing by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    Automatic eye testing has been around for a while. The first units appeared in the 1970s. Today, the technology is quite good. The Canon RK-F10 ("just press start") does a fully automatic "refraction" eye exam. Price is about $7000. This unit is overkill for just fitting glasses; the identical-seeming next model up in the same family ($12,000) collects the data needed for laser eye surgery and contact lens fitting, with all the liability issues that involves. So there's an opportunity for something more compact and at a lower price point.

    It's too bad the original article doesn't say anything about how he makes lenses.

    The current trick in low-cost eyeglass distribution for the third world is simply to use a kit of low-cost preformed round plastic lenses. Basic eyeglasses have a spherical component, a cylindrical component, and an axis for the cylindrical component. The lenses are round, and can snap into the frames at different rotations, the number of different lenses needed goes down to a hundred or so. And the whole kit fits in a briefcase.

  87. 3D Rapid Prototyping by purduephotog · · Score: 1

    I wish I could find the article but a plant had one of their rollers go down on the line. Replacement parts would take 2 days, minimum, to arrive- so on a whim they had one fab'd from the rapid prototyper. They figured if it lasted 2 days it was worth it to get back up.

    In fact, it ran longer than that, so they left it in place and kept the 'original' replacement part as a spare.

    It's a rather funny read; sadly I can't recall where it was.

  88. Why Only Poor People? by LionKimbro · · Score: 1

    Why would only poor people want really cheap glasses, in only 5 minutes?

    There may be some good reason- Perhaps the glasses are low quality, and we would rather pay with time and money for higher quality glasses.

    But I wonder- Is this a demonstration of a pattern in media reporting? I've seen articles about robotics that seem to avoid the conclusion "these people don't need jobs any more." I've seen them focus on "this robot will assist humans," when it seemed like, based on what the article said, it would greatly reduce the need for humans.

    And, in this other article, about attaching nerves to chips. What does the article say is so cool about this? "The findings could help in the design of devices that combine electronic components and brain cells. That includes controlling artificial limbs or restoring sight for the visually impaired." Okay- but what about hard-core interaction between the brain and the computer? What about putting pictures directly into the brain, or using your mind to work on the computer? Those seem like obvious implications. Why does the article pussy-foot around them?

    Is this a real pattern in media reporting, or am I just seeing patterns that aren't there, and support some world view of mine?

    I really want to understand this.

  89. Lenscrafters takes 5-10 minutes too by Rikardon · · Score: 2

    Actually, most single-vision prescription eyeglasses that you buy at Lenscrafters can be done in about 5-10 minutes; only really strong prescriptions (or bifocals or progressives -- any lens you actually have to grind and polish in the lab) take an hour, and even those usually only take 40 minutes or so.

    One-hour labs carry a huge stock of pre-ground, polished and coated single-vision lens blanks around 75mm in diameter. All the lab techs have to do is edge the lens so it fits the frame of your choice.

    I was a lab tech at EyeMasters (a short-lived, unregretted Canadian Lenscrafters competitor) for two years. My record was two minutes, twelve seconds from the moment we got the order to the moment the glasses were out the door. These were $500 eyeglasses (and this was ten years ago), with very nice Pentax lenses. It was a lazy Sunday afternoon, and the lab manager and I (the most experienced non-management tech at the time) were the only ones working. Ian grinned at me and said "Let's see how fast we can get this done."

    We worked in tandem, he pulled the lenses, I marked them up, he traced the frame, I edged the lenses, he fined the sharp edges off, I had the frame heated up and popped the lenses in, and he did the final prescription, axis and PD checks. Not surprisingly given our experience level, they were absolutely bang on (the law here in Canada, at least at the time, allowed for a maximum quarter-diopter variance; these were perfect).

    The customer had chatted with the optician out front for a moment after she'd handed in our job. Ian caught him just as he was walking out the door:

    "Sir. Sir! Your glasses are ready."

    "I'm sorry; there must be some mistake. I just barely submitted my order."

    "I know, sir. They're done. Why don't you let the optician fit them for you?"

    Jen double-checked everything (by law, the dispensing optician must) and gave us an "OK, I'm impressed" look and a thumbs-up.

    We always used to laugh at those Lenscrafters commercials that would show a stopwatch stopping at, say, 54 minutes. Try a tenth of that. The one-hour promise just gives enough buffer time to redo 95%+ of all jobs (sometimes twice) if you screw up.

  90. comics! by my+sig+is+bigger+tha · · Score: 1
    here is the site for griffith's comic strips

    http://howtoons.net/

  91. Speakind of cheap... by ObjetDart · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the technology uses fuzzy logic?

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  92. howtoons by jmichaelg · · Score: 1

    The guy is pretty amazing. This site he's involved with is phenomenally creative.

  93. Re:such a shame by danharan · · Score: 1

    And as if helping 5% of 1 Billion people see better was anything to sneer at...

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  94. Re:He would need to invent transparent chocolate f by batemanm · · Score: 1

    I thought that corundum was the mineral form of Al2O3 and as such contains impurities which colour it as in the case of sapphire or ruby? I thought the pure form was alumunia although it has been at least 10 years since I did chemistry at college so I could quite easily be wrong.

  95. Apache by bircho · · Score: 0

    ...nuff said. who did give mr. gates mod points? it get modded insightful...

  96. Glorious Insanity by Effugas · · Score: 1

    Exhibit One: Saul , right after Foo Camp.

    "This...is going to change...my life..." he says.

    "A wireless rotary saw?" says I.

    "Ice racing."

    Ah.

    --Dan

  97. huge markup by DABANSHEE · · Score: 1

    Like 500% or more

  98. really need to be custom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ok, call me an ogre, but do glasses really have to
    be custom made? I don't believe so. My vision
    was measured around 4.00 diopters which was
    something like 20/300. Anyway my siblings and parents
    all had vision which varied between 3 and 5 and because
    I used to constantly break my glasses and could get by
    amazingly well with their glasses. I know it wasn't perfect,
    but I would wear them for months at a time.

    I honestly think you could do more good for less money
    by mass producing lenses in common diopters settings and
    just letting the buyer pick his own, like pants or shirt
    size. If the buyer wants to pay extra money to get 20/20
    vision instead of 20/40 then let him.

    Look at something like prescription lenses for sporting
    equipment. Often that stuff is only sold in 0.5 diopter
    increments (i.e. 1.0-1.5-2.0-2.5...etc)

  99. But it's not Perfect ! by serutan · · Score: 1

    I can hear the naysayers now, spurning the idea of micro-entrepreneurs with minimal training providing cheap eyecare. No, they will say, you're foisting substandard goods and services on third world people! These are the same people who close down homeless employment centers for failing to provide a health care plan.

    Maybe the eyecare won't be the same quality that highly educated optometrists and opthalmologists could provide. People might occasionally get the wrong glasses! But for the vast numbers of people who put up with bad eyesight because by industrialized standards they are effectively living in the 19th Century or earlier, this could be a great thing.

  100. Re:such a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has the nutters to do someting good for humanity. It takes balls to try and create something for the better before he gets corupted by corporations. Youthfull naivete at its greatest. He's made more of himself than many of us ever will

  101. The redesign, and Open Source by vik · · Score: 1

    Well if we can get this thing into enough hands, some bright spark will come up with a way that some form of projectile weapon can be made within the limitations of the device. And the designs will circulate as Open Source and improve as they pass from hand to hand.

    A version of a 3d-printed weapon that could be produced now would probably require some inserts, but the design could be configurable to match the specific components available.

    A stubby length of old vaccuum cleaner tubing might reinforce a barrel or combustion chamber. Things like wire will be needed for ignition systems, and possibly batteries or priming compounds.

    Stored energy can readily be derived from compressed gas, butane lighters, or the chlorates formed by the enthusiastic electrolysis of strong brine.

    The requirements for machining metal are not needed to make effective weapons, and the materials are not limited to just the resin. Channels can be left in the printer parts for reinforcement by inserts, epoxy, stronger resins etc. up to the point of merely being a mould.

    Sounds possible to do it with available fabs to me. You just need the right kind of creative person in the right place at the right time.

    Vik :v)

  102. Interesting breakdown. by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    Ayn Rand seems to be losing 5 to 2 in this forum. I am losing faith in nerds.

  103. I'd think that thorough a little further...EIo???o by neitzsche · · Score: 1

    The cost of the exam is about 1/4th the cost of your $200 glasses. Even if it were just a $5 copay
    I still wouldn't get my eyes checked more than once every several years. Every time in my life I had
    an eye exam, my vision had mysticly worsened. So they gave me stronger glasses. So my vision got
    worse. So they gave me stronger glasses. So my vision got worse... {repeat for 20 years}...

    In an effort to stop the abusive cycle, I had Lazik surgery last Saturday. I now see 20/20.

    And for the first time ever, I can now buy several different types of SUNGLASSES for different occasions.

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    "God is dead." - Frederik Nietzsche
  104. The SATs will destroy you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And after destroying you, they will laugh, and then stand over your body and put their hands on their hips and laugh at you -- you, destroyed, destroyed by them, the SATs.

    [n/t]

    1. Re:The SATs will destroy you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck is that supposed to mean you asshat? What exactly IS an "SAT"? If you mean the test you take before entering college, then you are on some serious drugs man. Why don't you pull the stick out of your ass and join the rest of us in the real world fuckwad?