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Tech Team Traditions?

Antigua Nice asks: "I have recently been promoted to manager of a young IT department and would like to introduce a tradition and/or mascot for the upcoming season. Although we are busy 24/7/365 we are especially busy during the NFL season since we are a sports related company. The goal of this is to add some excitement to the new team, unite the members and keep department moral high. It might also be worth mentioning that I have recently added two more administrators to the team. If you currently have any department traditions or know of any, could you please take a moment to share them with me. They could be anything from going out for beer and wings after the first game to each member bleaching their hair. Any and all input is welcome."

173 comments

  1. Don't just pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The worst experiences I've had are when someone tries to artificially create a tradition and force it on everyone. The best traditions develop naturally. Try a few things, see if they work/people like them/they catch on.

    1. Re:Don't just pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First you say you don't like artificial traditions, then you suggest he try a bunch of artificial traditions.

    2. Re:Don't just pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I suggest he try a few things without making them traditions. If one works, keep it, but don't just say "Friday poker night is our tradition."

    3. Re:Don't just pick one by alienw · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans.

    4. Re:Don't just pick one by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      It might also be worth mentioning that I have recently added two more administrators to the team.

      Please, please try the out the "Hang the Administrator" tradition first! To make a team more productive, do *not* add bean counters! He obviously doesn't belong there; adding more "administrators" so that his personality type is not so outnumbered is a guaranteed way to breed contempt, destroy morale and banish creativity.

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      "God is dead." - Frederik Nietzsche
    5. Re:Don't just pick one by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right, that's like picking your own nickname. When I was in college, my suitemate decided to give himself a nickname. One day, he said "call me Jizz". Of course we agreed.

      The stupid fucker had no idea what "Jizz" meant though, and just heard it somewhere and thought it sounded cool.

      There's a rule: you can't ever pick your own nickname.

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      No weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men.-Ronald Reagan
    6. Re:Don't just pick one by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      The worst experiences I've had are when someone tries to artificially create a tradition and force it on everyone.

      Absolutely! I remember this one twitchy manager that was trying to boost team morale. He decided we would all take turns bringing donuts to the meeting at 10:30AM. Well me and my buddy refused to participate because we always went to lunch at 11:30AM. The guy nearly went postal on us. And he wondered why his team had problems...

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      "No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
    7. Re:Don't just pick one by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      You can pick your own nickname, it just backfires terribly :) I write music, and the "stage name" I thought up was "Omegadan". Back in college, I started using my band website email for all my business. Pretty soon my friends, professors and my employer were all calling me "Omegadan" or "OD".

      Ok, so fast forward two years. I'm at a good friends wedding reception, a lavish affair with about 300 people in an upscale resturant which has been rented in its entirety. After dinner they do the boquet toss, and then the MC begins the garter toss. I really have no desire to participate so I'm slinking around in the background...the MC says, "Ok, I want everyone to look around. Look for your friends and whoever you came here with today, and make sure *EVERY* bachelor is on the stage." ---I'm still slinking around-- MC says, "Ok is anybody missing?" One of my buddies yells, "The OMEGADAN!" MC says, "Ok everyone, we have to find the omegadan!" So here I am trying to not get noticed, and the *ENTIRE* wedding party of 300 people is looking for "the omegadan." Needless to say my plan backfired almost perfectly, and I was quite emberrassed :)

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    8. Re:Don't just pick one by crucini · · Score: 1

      Food-related rituals generally suck. Why do they have to involve crap you shouldn't eat? Never eat a donut. If you're willing to shorten your life by ingesting some big gobbet of sugar and fat that puts you into an insulin coma, eat good tiramisu or something.

    9. Re:Don't just pick one by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1
      There's a rule: you can't ever pick your own nickname.
      Of course you can - I did, and it worked out just fine.

      Oh, and by the way, that's Mister Knobface to you, boyo!

    10. Re:Don't just pick one by bluekanoodle · · Score: 1

      I don't think we adding bean counters, but more technical staff, at least that's how I read it. sounds like he's trying to ease the workload, but then, I could be wrong.

    11. Re:Don't just pick one by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      You could be correct...he might be saying that he's adding two windows adminstrators. Based on the wording and context, it seems more likely to me that he is adding to more personnel/accounting type administrators.

      If my assumption is correct, perhaps the staff there should hang him first. Maybe start with tar-and-feathering or boiling in oil, THEN hang him.

      That breed of particular fuck-head is on the rise in our industry these days (again.) It seemed like there was almost a year or so where those idiots were being kept at bay, but the greedy do-nothing-but-interfere types are making a comeback.

      In my opinion, they are only deterred by violence and blackmail.

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      "God is dead." - Frederik Nietzsche
  2. Just watch... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2, Funny

    American Hotrod and try some variations. I like the funnel-down-the-pants one.

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  3. Bonzo, the clown. by Xaviar21 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I work for a tech support office that handles several sites across the state... We have a "Bonzo the clown" in the tech Van... Whenever all four of us go on a trip (usually just me.. but sometimes we take a trip), one of my coworkers, the responsible one, usually tries to plan things out in the vehicle, to make sure everything'll go smoothly when we get there. My boss, however, is a bit more immature. Whenever my coworker tries to do this, my boss picks Bonzo off the dash, waves it at her, and repeats "BONZO'S NOT LISTENING!!" over and over. Kind of a mascot, and kind of a tradition.

    1. Re:Bonzo, the clown. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whenever my coworker tries to do [something productive], my boss picks Bonzo off the dash, waves it at her, and repeats "BONZO'S NOT LISTENING!!" over and over. Kind of a mascot, and kind of a tradition.

      Kind of a reason to find another job, as well.

    2. Re:Bonzo, the clown. by BJH · · Score: 1

      I give your "boss" a life expectancy of approximately zero.

  4. Hot CheerLeaders by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have hot cheerleader mascots. Keep them under your desk (pref @ groin level). Naturally, cheer leaders must try out... and you are the manager.

    This will not only raise moral but raise nerdy appendages.

    You may have to resort to the blow up kind if your department is ultra-nerdy ;-)

    1. Re:Hot CheerLeaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have hot cheerleader mascots. Keep them under your desk (pref @ groin level).

      Fluffers are indeed good for morale. My tip for getting this through accounting: hire them as network techs. People already expect them to spend a lot of time under desks working with your cable.

    2. Re:Hot CheerLeaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm gay, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Hot CheerLeaders by afidel · · Score: 1

      I wish I hadn't used my last mod point this morning, this is one of the funniest things I have read on Slashdot in a while.

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    4. Re:Hot CheerLeaders by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Geez man, thanks for the expansion my vocab. Always nice to learn something new!

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      The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
  5. Have a contest to see who is the most hardcore fan by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    I guarentee somone will officially name a child after their favorite sports team. I can see it now:
    "Hello little girl, what is your name?"
    "Steelers 'I hate my father' Smith"

  6. Motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    OK. Hmmm. Who needs encouragement when you can scare them into working hard! If they screw up, you are going to get the tackled by a lineback from a local team in front of everyone in the department!

    Or, if you set some goal and they complete it, YOU get tackled by the linebacker. That would be positive reinforcement.

    This worthless post brought to you by MBCook who didn't think it was worthy of his name.

  7. Hawaiian Shirt day by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Oh, and next Friday...is Hawaiian shirt day...so, you know,
    if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans."

    Seriously... traditions aren't made, they happen. If you want to make one happen, I recommend maybe starting with a bi-weekly happy hour or poker night, or something similarly social along those lines, possibly subsidized by the company.

    1. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by (trb001) · · Score: 1

      ...starting with a bi-weekly happy hour or poker night...

      Essentially, anytime guys sit around, drink and talk about women, eventually a tradition will sprout. All the best traditions involve some combination of one or more of these three.

      --trb

    2. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by sydb · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well done for ostracising the teetotallers, homosexuals and women on the team.

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    3. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just thought of a few more that have worked at past and current companies...

      Monthly birthday cakes for workers- essentially a monthly friday break for 15 minutes. It was a nice touch that we all appreciated.

      Pizza Fridays. Everyone gets together in the conference room or kitchen and eats pizza (on the company) Again, one of those real nice touches whose benefits far outweigh the cost.

      Beer/Wine Friday's. Everyone brings in a few beers or a bottle of wine (make sure the managers shell out for good stuff) and everyone tries them out in a blind test and rates them. Of course, do this around 4:30 on a Friday.

      Hazing of new guys. Every business has its own language that can be exploited for great fun to everyone else. For example, here at my finance company, junior guys are often told to run upstairs and get a box of "odd lots" when they are starting out (odd lots are merely stock orders that are not divisible by 100). Of course they go to the tipped off guy upstairs and then are sent to some other department, while everyone is trying their hardest to keep a straight face, and then rinse and repeat. Yeah it embarasses the hell out of them, but its one of those locker room things that also says "hey youre one of us now"

      Hazing of managers. Much rarer, but at some friend's companies they would at times play tricks on the manager. Most were typical vaseline on the phone type pranks, but one in particular that I found funny was that they locked his office door one morning when they knew he would be late, and put a sign on it to meet with an HR person that agreed to go along with it in the conference room. She met him in there with a scowl and then made a fake call to security and told him to wait in there while she returned. They let him sweat in there for a few minutes until they let him know it was a joke.

      Alot of people dismissed the idea of Lan games and happy hours as exclusive to some, but teams are diverse, and no matter what you do, someone is not going to be interested. If they choose not to participate, then so be it.

    4. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      Try "no outsourcing Friday", employees love shit like that.

    5. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just an added benefit...

      Hey, hey! Just kidding!! ;) ;)

    6. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

      That's the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time. If I had mod points, you would have gotten one, but then lost it when I said this.

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    7. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, they're all welcome. He clearly stated that this is a "bi weekly happy hour".

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      I'd rather be lucky than good.
    8. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by magefile · · Score: 1

      Alot of people dismissed the idea of Lan games and happy hours as exclusive to some, but teams are diverse, and no matter what you do, someone is not going to be interested. If they choose not to participate, then so be it.

      Just don't choose something that is going to exclude someone - like beer & wine day. If you want everyone to go out for drinks, fine. But for those of us who don't drink for religious, personal, or medical reasons, don't deliberately build it around alcohol ("oh, you don't drink? sorry, not part of the team" is the message given if drinking a non-alcoholic bevarage isn't a possibility).

    9. Re:Hawaiian Shirt day by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      I'd generalise this advice beyond the alcohol issue: make sure your "team building" activities really do try to include the whole team. If someone's not interested in participating, that's one thing, but if it's something they (for whatever reason) can't participate in, it can backfire.

      I've seen things like: going out for coffee together one morning a week (when one guy's shift starts at noon), doing a Christmas gift exchange of some kind (when one guy is a Jehovah's Witness), and having social events for couples (when one guy's divorced or widowed or closeted or a /.er who can't afford an escort). That can serve to drive a wedge between that person and the rest of the team.

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  8. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, that's enough. I'm dropping Ask Slashdot from home page preferences again. Who let the MBAs in the room anyway?

  9. Perpetual hazing by MarkusQ · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I have recently added two more administrators...
    One perinial favorite is "perpetual hazing" of administrators (or sales droids, if your team is fortunate enough to have access to some). Nothing brings a team together like having a common interest in tormenting someone who isn't part of the team.

    Be careful when setting bounds though. For example, back in the late 70's (before I knew better) one of my rules was

    No live poultry
    which seemed clear, simple, and to the point--until you realize that you're dealing with bright, highly competative people who deal with complext rule systems all day, and are trained to look for security holes. The revised version,
    No live or recently live poultry
    worked a little bit better, but (perhaps because they'd seen me flinch), the team realized that hazing your manager is even more fun than hazing sales droids. It took almost a month to get their focus back on the sales department where it belonged.

    -- MarkusQ

    P.S. Important note: never haze anyone who makes your travel arrangements.

    1. Re:Perpetual hazing by Yer+Mom · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That better not be "administrators" as in "sysadmins", of course, unless you didn't actually want any of those files :)

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      Never mind Spamassassin. When's Spammerassassin coming out?
  10. Maybe it's just me... by jcwren · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... but I've always hated garbage like that. I go to work to work. I see these people 8 hours a day. I don't want to see them before work, or after work (well, except a select few who are friends).

    The whole 'team' word is over used, and in my mind, reeks of management-itis. OK, there may be companies where teams mean something. The companies I've worked for, it's just that: work. Most people don't want to be there any longer than they have to.

    When I worked at Hayes, our boss used to try to put together things, like after work outings, as a reward. You want to reward me? Let me leave early. I have a life (as far as being a geek goes). I have projects at home, cars to tinker on, software to write, dogs to play with, rocks to climb, etc.

    We used to have company mandated meetings. It's amazing how many you can not show up to (like, say, 100%), and still not get fired. Apparently, my skills as a programmer are worth more than really pissing me off by writing me up or some other BS for not showing up.

    And don't confused this with being a "team player". You can be a team player and still not be a "team".

    I finally solved this problem a few years ago. I am an insultant. I work from home 99.44% of the time. I have my dog at my feet, my 'fridge 15 feet away, and no one cares if you wear slippers to work. Oh yea, and I save about $800 a year in gas.

    1. Re:Maybe it's just me... by WereTiger · · Score: 1

      I concur with you jcwren.

      I'm not antisocial by any means, but nothing makes me undermine a company faster than it trying to force things on me like social elements :P

      I don't want little trinket rewards, I don't want invitations to social gathers. I want management to leave me alone and let me develop a social circle with it's traditions and morale boosting nature all by myself.

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    2. Re:Maybe it's just me... by nusratt · · Score: 3, Informative

      "I am an insultant."

      I don't doubt it for a second. ;-)

    3. Re:Maybe it's just me... by Rakefighter · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I work from home 99.44% of the time.

      Maybe you're not a team player because people don't like how you calculate such retarded things out to two decimal places.

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      --Life may have no meaning, or, even worse, it may have a meaning of which you disapprove.

    4. Re:Maybe it's just me... by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1
      I work from home 99.44% of the time.

      Maybe you're not a team player because people don't like how you calculate such retarded things out to two decimal places.
      What, you don't remember the old "Ivory, it's ninety-nine and forty-four-one-hundredths-percent pure" commercials? Hell, I use 99.44% all the time. (Then again, I'm a Boring Old Fart.)
    5. Re:Maybe it's just me... by pete-classic · · Score: 1
      The whole 'team' word is over used, and in my mind, reeks of management-itis.


      Well said. A team knows they are a team, and doesn't need you sticking it in their faces all the time. A bunch of fuckoffs who aren't a team aren't going to become a team because you keep calling them team.

      And especially, never, EVER use "team" to try to soften a statement that parses down to "you're getting fucked." It doesn't make it easier; it just makes you look like a tool.

      -Peter
    6. Re:Maybe it's just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mods on crack again.

      When I read 'insultant' in the OP, I scrolled down to find the first response to it. This post was much better than I expected. Short, sweet and brutally to-the-point. But Informative? Jeeze.

      Ya wanna mod him up, try Funny or Underrated.

    7. Re:Maybe it's just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      refrigerator at your arms length eh? Ok Homer Simpson...fat f*cks likeyou should be insultants because you can't get over your BO long enough to get along with people in a work environment.

  11. It might be you by jobugeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I followed the same path. I worked for a smaller company($150M sales) and while I didn't know everyone, the IT dept was fairly close. We had a dept golf outing a couple times, or some of us had a couple after work.

    It sounds like people you worked with either weren't worth being friends with or you were too busy being anti-social.

    Now that I work from home, I admit I enjoy the lax attitude I can take at home, but I do miss sometimes the comrodary(sp?) of working with people you like.

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  12. Most of the traditions Ive experienced... by Ummagumma · · Score: 1

    ...are usually layoff or paycut related. That, or outsourcing, thats a morale booster nowadays.

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    "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
  13. Dear Mr. Nice by Compuser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is apparent that you have become a full-blown
    PHB and are out of touch. You want team tradition?
    Make it beer Thursdays, or better yet, Fridays
    free at 4 pm tradition. Even if you choose to do
    nothing good for your employees, please refrain
    from doing some lame puppet as morale booster.
    Take the money you'd spend on a puppet and give to
    employees (even if it's a cent per head). Show that
    you care about real people, otherwise start a
    tradition of posting a Dilbert cartoon on your door
    every day.

    1. Re:Dear Mr. Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or how about a cheerful morning getogether à la Walmart, where everyone circles in for a team song or to shout the company slogan outloud ten times? I can't imagine anything worse for team moral, which is usually defined by a manager as follows: "are you on my team?" meaning as long as you live up to my expectations your fine, otherwise your not a team member".

    2. Re:Dear Mr. Nice by bergeron76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We do this at the company I work for. We have a "beer fridge" and the newest employee has to keep it stocked (until he's no longer 'newest') [expensed of course]. It's a great relief to be able to talk business with people at 4-5pm toward the end of the week over a few beers.

      It's an ever better feeling knowing that your employer respects your judgement enough to know that you won't abuse the privilege(s) he/she extends to you.

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    3. Re:Dear Mr. Nice by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      That's funny - cause it is true. The company I was happiest working for had a 'beer fridge' and they even respected the request list when filling it. I knew I was going to be happy there and I didn't even drink beer (single malt scotch yes, beer no.)
      God I miss that company.

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      Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
  14. Tradition seems a bit much by quantax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I work at a pretty small advertising company, and while we have no traditions, we love nothing more than to kick back at 5pm once the day is over and all enjoy a couple beers on the roof (we're lucky enough to have a top office in a building in NYC) and talk about business, life, and so on. If the next day is probably going to be slow, maybe head down to the local bars for more drinks, no one has to go if they dont want to. Admitably, its a small group which helps its intimacy, but traditions seem a bit silly unless theyre started naturally, and smack of artificiality. I prefer the 'Hey, we're heading down to the bar for some drinks, wanna come?' to some official company thing arranged in advance.

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  15. Are you TRYING to get your kid's ass kicked? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    Can't be any worse than all the kids names 'Espn'

    1. Re:Are you TRYING to get your kid's ass kicked? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      Source: The recent ESPN 2th anniversary thing had long segment on these poor creatures. (Though a few did get Espen or Espyn so their name is technically pronounceable. But most were just plain ESPN.)

      Also covered by the beeb

    2. Re:Are you TRYING to get your kid's ass kicked? by p0ppe · · Score: 1

      Espen's actually a fairly common Norwegian name.

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  16. First rule: Don't. by cperciva · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Second rule (for advanced readers): Don't, unless you can find something which absolutely everybody will enjoy.

    Buy everyone beer? What about the guy who doesn't drink (either by choice, or for medical reasons)?
    Take everyone to the football game? What about the guy who doesn't like football, or the guy who has to stay home to look after his kids?
    Throw a really expensive Christmas party? What about the people who don't celebrate Christmas, or who celebrate it a couple weeks later?
    Have everybody play Unreal Tournament? What about the guy who gets motion sick?

    "Team building" sounds great, but paying for 90% of people to do something together that they really enjoy doesn't help build a team; rather, it makes the other 10% of people feel even more isolated.

    Teams build themselves. People form friendships, and find activities on their own. Let this happen naturally; don't try to push it forwards prematurely.

    1. Re:First rule: Don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you don't celebrate Christmas you can still go to the fucking office Christmas party, even if you don't drink you can go hang out at the bar, sip your lemon water or whatever, and shoot the bull. Sounds like this 10% your making up are trying to make themselves outcasts rather than being social.

    2. Re:First rule: Don't. by CamMac · · Score: 1

      OK, if your planning something realize that A) you can only please some of the people all of the time B) and sometimes, you can please everyone. Abe Lincoln said that, I think.

      If you're attending something realize that A) your boss can only please some of the people all of the time and B) sometimes, he can please everyone.

      When the boss plans something, don't bail just because you don't drink, or you don't like football. Show up, and have fun. Make fun of Football. The next day, make fun of everyones drunken actions. Its not the bosses job to make you have fun. He's going out of his way to provide the entertainment and atmosphere. The least you can do is try.

      --Cam

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      All jocks think about is sports. All nerds think about is sex.
    3. Re:First rule: Don't. by renehollan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps some of us prefer to use what little time is our own for ourselves.

      You want me to go to a non-business event outside of regular hours? Pay my expenses and hire me at my contracted per-hour rate. I'll sit in that bar for ya, then.

      Otherwise... FUCK THE HELL OFF!

      Seriously, nothing pisses me off more than an organized "morale boosting" event. I get a strong urge to treat the organizer to the business end of an AR15. While I don't act on that urge, of course, I can well imagine a less stable individual going all out, with gusto. Perhaps then the trend among idiot PHBs will be to stop suggesting such lunacy, even if only out of fear of personal harm.

      Who goes to such events? The people who work the hardest, find and fix the bugs, and generally try to deliver decent code? No, the people who made the mistakes in the first place and don't care about the quality of what they produce.

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    4. Re:First rule: Don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't drink. The main reason is that I find the flavor litterally nauseating, even in baked goods. Seriously, it would be easier for me to drink a bottle of hot sauce than it would be to have a can of beer. Being back in a campus area, people are constantly trying to get me to go to bars. Here's how it works....

      Someone will come up and ask me if I want to go out to a bar. I'll say no, I don't drink. What, you don't drink???? Why not??? As if it's the most irrational thing they've heard all year. Is it again'st your religion? Do you have some kind of health problem? No I just don't like the taste.

      Don't like the taste? Ah, we just need to find you the right drink. Uh, no thanks, really I don't want anything to drink. Well you have to come anyway, we'll find a drink you like. Uh, no thanks. Well, you can just get a coke or something, come on, it will be fun. Fine.

      At the bar. Misc people. I got a fuzzy navel, what did steve get. Sex on the beach. What's jon got. White Russian. What did you get? coke. Why, are you driving? No, I don't drink.

      Not drinking becomes the focus of entire table. That's the strangest thing we've heard all year. Is it against your religion??? Are you on some kind of medication? No, I just don't like the taste. What??? No, you just haven't tried the right drink. Here, try my White Russian. This tastes disgusting. Try my Fuzzy Navel. This tastes disgusting. Try my... no thanks. Let's all talk about what kinds of drinks he may like then shift the conversation into a half hour discussion of the intraciacies of our favorite drinks, their ingredients, which bars make the best ones, etc. There's a conversation I can relate to. The more people drink, the more boisterous they become and the more they want the non drinkers who have been quiet throughout the whole drinking conversation to drink.

      In the end the experience of going out to a bar with friends is usually far more alienating than if I were to just stay home.

    5. Re:First rule: Don't. by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      I agree entirely on the drinking. I can't stand the taste of alcohol. The effect of it isn't too interesting either. Everyone insists there are drinks where you can't taste it. I always offer to give them a drink with only a little turpentine.

      Social events can't be forced. Our team has gone to irish pub's for all but one of our events. No variety, and only the manager goes to them in his free time. That should say something.

      If it weren't obvious what the problem would be, I'd suggest going to a shooting range as a team building event. What would tell you more about your team dynamic than everyone knowing who can rapid fire center of mass at 50' with a pistol?

      Our xmas party was bowling. You had to take time off in the middle of the day to go. Everyone's an hourly contractor and you couldn't bill for that time. You also had to pay your own way. The manager and director decided that this was a compromise to include all the little people. If it weren't for that thoughtfulness, we would have been expected to go golfing.

    6. Re:First rule: Don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have offended some mod point wielding socializer with the F word, there.

      Now where is that elusive '+1 Too-correct-to-be-on-slashdot' mod?

    7. Re:First rule: Don't. by renehollan · · Score: 1
      You must have offended some mod point wielding socializer with the F word, there.

      Yeah, well... I've got karma to burn -- you should read some of my anti-Canadian communist rants (I had the misfortune to be born there, so I figure I can criticize it with impunity).

      The +5 mods cancel out the -1's pretty well.

      I usually don't curse like that, but forced "morale" events really tick me off.

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    8. Re:First rule: Don't. by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      Hah. That's cause your company's ideas for forced 'morale' events suck ass, I'm guessing. No offense.

      The last forced 'morale' event I participated in invovled sending all three developers from a particular project to Miami for a week, putting them up in a 5* hotel known for an amazing nightclub (killer lady's night bash downstairs), giving them an unlimited 'discretionary' fund, and only letting them get one car (so they had to stay together.) Oh yea, and officially we were there taking a class - expanding our skill set for work.

      Nothing builds a tight team like a week of everybody getting in trouble, brushes with the law, brushes with strippers or hookers, and maybe getting lost in Miami (and maybe witnessing gang violence because you are on the wrong side of town.) Sure beats singing the company song or playing softball, I can assure you of that.

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    9. Re:First rule: Don't. by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      If you don't drink, be the designated driver.

      That serves a few important tasks :
      If people know they have a driver they can drink more. They like that.
      You are participating in the outing, being a team player.
      Drop the guys and couples off first, then the fat girls. Drop off the hot single girls last. Trust me on this one.

      When you are at a bar and officially the designated driver, you are elevated to 'hero' status. Nobody hassles the DD, and everybody defends the honor of the DD.

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    10. Re:First rule: Don't. by renehollan · · Score: 1
      What you describe "sucks ass".

      Encouraging the breaking or even bendiung of the law in order to stay employed is horrid. In my case, even the slightest infraction can get me deported as I am in the U.S. on a work-related visa -- this includes a traffic ticket, in theory.

      If you want to boost my morale, get me better equipment. Get everyone better equipment. Don't waste company money on five star hotels, and sleazy entertainment. Provide a better health insurance plan for employees if you want to spend the money.

      I'll take the class, pay for my own meals and local transportation, and spend my down time studying the material and resting for the next day, thanks. I would view the type of activity you describe as an attempt at punishment and would start to seek other employment. I don't care for night clubs. I might enjoy a pint or two of Guinness in a decent pub, but that's about it.

      Send everyone else: when others don't code, I don't have to fix their bugs.

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    11. Re:First rule: Don't. by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      I didn't say the 'team building' exercise was for your enjoyment - I just said it would turn you and your fellow programmers into a tight team. Nothing builds a tight team like almost getting in a lot of trouble and subsequently escaping because you worked together as a team. If I could arrange to have my team randomly walking through a dark alley in Houston one night, get shot at by automatic weapons and nobody get actually hit in the process - I would (in a heartbeat.) If I could arrange to have my entire team kidnapped and left for dead in Mexico - ditto. A difficult deadline, a scrambled database, impossible business requests don't seem so bad when you and your team have that kind of history together.

      A group of developers will come back from those kinds of outings a 'team' - sitting random newly hired coders beside one another in cubes isn't a team, it is simply RAID (redundant array of inexpensive developers.)

      As for the money - it was in 2000, and I didn't have any say-so in the matter. Also, they didn't 'encourage' anything - they facilitated (we were quite capable of coming up with the rest ourselves.) Anything beyond taking the class - we were on our own. They just put us in fertile grounds; we did the rest.

      Regardless, you should update your resume; it doesn't look like it has been touched in two years. I normally enjoy tearing online resumes to shreds, but yours is pretty good. Never know - someone may be looking for an old-school coder. I would consider you for my team if we were hiring, but we would have to get you in a lot of trouble first.

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    12. Re:First rule: Don't. by renehollan · · Score: 1
      I didn't say the 'team building' exercise was for your enjoyment - I just said it would turn you and your fellow programmers into a tight team. Nothing builds a tight team like almost getting in a lot of trouble and subsequently escaping because you worked together as a team.

      I don't need any "this is worse so stop bitching", or shared tomfoolery incentive to get me to work hard. That just breeds resentment: of those who think suffering breeds the fear necessary to work hard, and of those who need that kind of encouragement to work hard.

      What build a strong team is a shared vision to do the impossible and be willing to die trying to effect a commercial success that has a positive impact on the world: I'll clean up your messy init scripts not because we got into trouble together, but rather because you've got other alligators to deal with right now, and while I also do, those init scripts are in my critical path. I'll do this because I've seen you cover my work load when necessary.

      In short, goodwill make for better team building than faux camaraderie.

      A group of developers will come back from those kinds of outings a 'team' - sitting random newly hired coders beside one another in cubes isn't a team, it is simply RAID (redundant array of inexpensive developers.)

      Then you're not hiring the kind of people who are enthusiastic about what you're trying to achieve and would do it for nothing if they could. Anyone can code well (anyone that matters) -- you want people who want to code what you need because it's hardcore cool. It's not a job -- it's doing something that's never been done before.

      Of course, if all you're trying to achieve is what is known to be possible, and all you want are second rate code monkeys who can be pushed to deliver on time, I suppose such juvenile tactics work.

      They just put us in fertile grounds; we did the rest.

      Sorry, but I would be wary of working with the likes of someone who is distracted by glitter and sleaze: how do I know that they will go the extra mile to fix a bug or make a deadline instead of taking a vacation at an awkward time "because such and such an event is in town." They might, but a personality that finds cheap entertainment fun is a strike against them when it comes to establishing that.

      And, if you think I've become an old funny duddy, such activities didn't attract me 20 years ago either. It's what those who did not get pleasure from intellectual pursuits did.

      Regardless, you should update your resume; it doesn't look like it has been touched in two years.

      I have not done any of what I would consider world-class work in the past two years. With the telcom bust, I returned to Canada temporarily, and worked for ATI developing automated test tools for checking rendered video fidelity: decode HD stream, play it, CRC frames (or fields), compare, and check. Yawn. The MPEG2 stuff was fun to play with but the work wasn't exactly earthshattering. Still, one has to eat, and it was a job. I've since returned to the U.S. to develop generic automated test tools. With only an M.Comp.Sc degree, I've gotten an itch to do a Ph.D thesis on software complexity: Dijstra was wrong: GOTO's aren't harmful per se, the complexity they add is. As such, they are on a par with large unscoped contexts and many event-driven systems. Structured languages, scoping, and object orientation are one way to deal with this, but there is little theory as to "why" they are "better". For, do, and while loops are just gotos in handcuffs, and object classes are code and data locked together.

      I would consider you for my team if we were hiring, but we would have to get you in a lot of trouble first.

      Sorry, that's not the kind of place I want to work. And, frankly, most of the really good people I know wouldn't want to either.

      Never know - someone may be looking for an old-school coder

      Heh,... who currently hacks in C# and .NET? (It was lacking on my resume, so I figured I should close the gap).

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    13. Re:First rule: Don't. by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Drop the guys and couples off first, then the fat girls. Drop off the hot single girls last. Trust me on this one.

      And face a bogus sexual harassment charge the next day? I don't think so.

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    14. Re:First rule: Don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Drop the guys and couples off first, then the fat girls. Drop off the hot single girls last. Trust me on this one."

      And they wonder why there aren't more women in technology...

      Vomit...

  17. three words... by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
    Hawaiian Shirt Day.

    It always works in the movies.

  18. You can't start Traditions by CamMac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't start traditions, one day you just look around and realize that you've been doing them. But you want to raise moral?
    You control only two things that your employees want. Money and Time. Take everyone out to the bar, or to a picnic, or to the rifle range, or get everyone tickets to an NFL game. Thats the money part. The time part? Do it on company time. If your not doing it on company time, invite family, and its not compulsory.

    --Cam

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    1. Re:You can't start Traditions by photon317 · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Rifle range == best "team" activity ever. We used to take 2 hour lunches at a gun range from time to time at one of my former companies. It's a great activity for getting to know people better and getting more comfortable working with them. Of course this developed spontaneously, I'm not a fan of fake, pre-planned, "team-building exercises".

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    2. Re:You can't start Traditions by rkrabath · · Score: 1

      there's nothing like shooting at things to releave on-the-job-stress...

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    3. Re:You can't start Traditions by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1
      But you want to raise moral?
      If you guys are so all-fired excited about increasing moral, then hold an ethics class. If you're concerned about morale, though, some of these fun ideas may help.
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  19. Terry Tate, Office Linebacker by joshsteadmon · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:Terry Tate, Office Linebacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh yeah, now that you mention it, I remember those.

      They were good, but they didn't run too long IIRC.

      --MBCook

  20. Yet another "Don't" post by GeorgeH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go rent both seasons of The Office and watch them. That series says more on this subject than I ever could.

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  21. Football? No-brainer dude by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
    Have a football pool.

    For added excitement, add Over/Unders on project completion dates.

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  22. Fire Walking by raider_red · · Score: 1

    What you should do is -- Oh never mind. It was a stupid idea anyway.

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  23. Best Workplace Traditions by cpt_rhetoric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Reward your best team members with pay raises 2. Get rid of any that can't cut it

    1. Re:Best Workplace Traditions by killjoe · · Score: 1

      The problem is that most middle to lower level managers don't have the power to hand out raises or fire people.

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    2. Re:Best Workplace Traditions by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      Amen.

      I can't imagine anything else that would boost our team's morale more.

      Pity it doesn't happen. Typically in our shop, the ones that can't cut it get the breaks. The best team members are the ones that get stuck with even more work and responsibilities.

      Criticizing this policy makes one 'not a team player'.

      The irony is, not participating in the cover up of the incompetency/laziness of those that don't pull their weight gets one labeled as 'playing politics'.

    3. Re:Best Workplace Traditions by PolyDwarf · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a lead developer on just such a team (There's one guy that no one can stand, because he can't cut the mustard, and he smells (literally)), I wholeheartedly agree. Management's lack of action on the documented idiocy of the guy (For instance, 5 hours after he came in the other day, he asked me about a bug.. That I had fixed 3 hours before he got in. He had never bothered to update from our CVS repository for the entire 5 hours he was there) has me looking seriously at new jobs.

      Oh yeah, one other tradition.. Trust your team, and try to believe that they might be right. The CEO of my company has a habit of putting us in the position of defending each and every decision when a partner complains, rather than saying "Gee, Mr Partner says/wants X, Y, and Z.. What do you think?" He normally says "Mr Partner says/wants X, Y, and Z. Why hasn't this been done yet?"

  24. Which sign is this? by dacarr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Holy moses, a suit is coming to ask the geeks for advice on how to interact with geeks. This is apparently one of the signs of the return of Christ. Wit aside, buy some decent coffee for them. Like other suggestions, traditions can't be enforced. Now, not being anything IT related, my thought would be to just let your IT department do their job. The job seems to require much sitting around doing nothing interspersed with flurries of hair-wringing activity; your staff is idle most of the time, but must be there when (not if, but when) something happens that's bad. And having said that, maybe have a department meeting. Ask them what they want to see in a department, no holds barred, see what they think. If it agrees with company policy and comes off as harmless, yeah, go for it.

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  25. Don't force it, for God's sakes. by Canthros · · Score: 1

    Buy 'em lunch at a decent-ish restaurant, or at least one of their choosing. Preferably someplace that will allow them to leave the office and sit down to eat. Set aside an hour or so.

    Other than that ... Try not to get in their way. A manager's job is more about coordinating the efforts of his people with the people above and to either side of them, and especially about keeping the heat off them from above (they're your people). Being loyal to your managees and avoiding micromanagement will go farther than any management technique found in any book or seminar. Deal with them as straight as you can, and treat them like adults.

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    1. Re:Don't force it, for God's sakes. by Hank+Reardon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Start a management tradition...

      Pick up a copy of "The One Minute Manager."

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    2. Re:Don't force it, for God's sakes. by rpjs · · Score: 1

      I'd second the restaurant suggestion. In my company the tech team leaders have small budgets[1] that they can use for socials and our boss takes us out for lunch once every 2-3 months or so. Our team is small enough that we can usually agree on a type of cuisine to go for (typically pizza or curry) and it's nice to unwind for an hour and bitch together about the account managers and the creatives. Our Account Director also has a nice way to ensure we all attend our occasional full team meetings: he picks three names out of a hat; one account, one creative amd one techy and takes them to lunch.

      The company as a whole does socials once in a while. Our Chairman loves the Matrix films and hired his local cinema for exclusive screenings of the sequels for us last year. Also, this being the UK, whenever there's a major international soccer tournament, we usually hire venues for the company to go and watch any England matches that are scheduled for during work time. Makes sense for the company as it saves all the footy fans from throwing sickies so they could watch the match at home and thus the company losing them for the whole day.

      [1] this is a step down from when I joined, just before the .com crash, when we *all* had social budgets that we could spend as we wished, so long as it was for something the whole team could join in. Unfortunately the crash intervened and we lost the benefit just before I could get a chance to use it...

  26. Newsradio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They had yearly bonuses of something like $500, but one person got the "big bonus" of $5000 and one person got "the shaft" of nothing.

  27. A few words. by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

    1. Teams fucking suck. 2. The whole idea of tradition is that it arrises through time, not instantly from some kind of cultural forced feeding. 3. See 1.

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  28. I Hate My Job. by c0bw3b · · Score: 1

    Ugh. I just got an email today that my call center is having a "Spirit Week" complete with, you guessed it, Hawaiian Shirt Day. I wanted to vomit. I really didn't think that movie could possibly be anywhere near reality.. now I'm in hell. "Stupid Hat Day" was runner up for worst idea ever.

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    1. Re:I Hate My Job. by zangdesign · · Score: 1

      Sound like someone has a case of the Mondays ...

      Well, someone had to say it!

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  29. Play by JVert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First, cheapest method, lan party, if you have alot of non gamers see if they would like to play some classic cames, renember emulators have multiplayer support.
    Next, sponser a game, maybe golf (surprisingly fun on my first time), or wus out and do miniture golf (if your really that young), bowling, roller skating (sorry to mention that, but I dont know what language you guys work in.), batting cages, PAINTBALL! hmmm, Thats all I can think of.
    Do a vote with these options and the biggest one wins, include the option ("whatever, anything sounds ok,") if there is a high number of those responses consider just doing a dinner and movie or offering cash to those who dont want to go.

  30. Re:thanks for the by thatnerdguy · · Score: 0

    i am very surprised your post got by the lameness filter. I'm also wondering how long it took you to make that? (I know there are programs out there for ascii art)

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  31. I know! I kKnow! Pick me! by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

    Pay raises!

    Noting say "Tanks for the good job" like cold hard cash!

  32. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Okay, this looks like a gentle troll, but I gotta give you props for getting past all of the filters that are supposed to prevent posts that look like that....

    No, it's not insightful (you should remove Ask Slashdot stories from your homepage if you don't want to read random questions... this is pretty standard fare for the questions that actually can't be answered using Google).

    Try "underrated", the generic mod?

  33. Let the traditions come naturally by jgardn · · Score: 1

    The last thing you want to do is lead in a meaningless area like this. Instead, let the team decide what traditions they want to do and just follow along. Don't make traditions formal - they just happen.

    As a team leader, you are really serving in two capacities. The first capacity is as a servant. You are fulfilling a role that they can't do themselves. You have to make sure you fill that role well so that it serves them. There is a time to lay down the law, but you have to think of yourself as a referee in those cases and approach it carefully, if at all. The second capacity is as a representative. You have to represent the group to somebody higher up than you. That means you have to show up to those meetings with their interests in mind, fight the fights that they would fight, and only sign on to agreements that they would make. When you have figured out these two things, then everything else flows naturally.

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  34. "Live Action" Dilbert(tm) Roleplaying?... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 4, Insightful
    promoted to manager of a young IT department[...]

    Promoted from...where? Were you once one of the IT people? If so...would YOU have really wanted what you're suggesting?

    would like to introduce a tradition and/or mascot for the upcoming season.

    Numerous posters have pointed out the foolishness of trying to "impose" a tradition. A mascot I could see, but only if it was genuinely funny and not contrived. Nor intended to be taken seriously.

    The goal of this is to add some excitement to the new team, unite the members and keep department moral high.

    I assume you mean "morale", not "moral" - I think what you're proposing would inspire more IMmorality...

    It might also be worth mentioning that I have recently added two more administrators to the team.

    Do you mean more IT people (Network/System administrators), or more managerial staff? 'cuz I know nothing would make ME happier than having more people overseeing me and telling me what to do... (If you meant that you hired more people to help with the workload, you probably ARE on the right track there.)

    Want some advice?

    1. Try asking the people actually doing the IT work what would improve morale.
    2. Buy a bunch of Dilbert books and read them. Anything that resembles any program that any of the "Pointy-Haired Boss" characters implement in those books should be recognized as Probably Not A Useful Idea. It sounds like you're dangerously close to crossing over to that category right now...
    People who have to do tech-support-type work ARE a pretty cynical and jaded bunch, in my experience (heck, I know that describes ME), and are not likely to respond positively to contrived or ephemeral attempts to manipulate their attitudes.

    (Note: If this is actually a clever plan to promote "team unity" by uniting the staff in their hatred and/or mockery of you, it just may work..."Can you believe this guy? He actually thinks he can MAKE us start a 'tradition' on purpose! And who in their right mind would think these 'Apshai, the Bug God' dolls would do anything for morale?")

    1. Re:"Live Action" Dilbert(tm) Roleplaying?... by BJH · · Score: 1

      Apshai... now there was a game. I could never get past the invisible vampires, though. Cartridge on the C64, as well, so no saving.

  35. Friday is Naked Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully, nobody will take it up.

    But, if it becomes a running gag in the company, it might put people in mind to create their own weekly activity or tradition.

    Another possibility is a bi-weekly lunch at an unusual local place.

    When I worked at a small (7-10 person) software company outside Philadelphia, we'd occasionally go up the road to an indoor flea market / farmer's market, where they had all kinds of food. We'd bring it back to the office to eat, tho. That was usually a good time.

  36. facilitate not instigate by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Focus on being a facilitator, not an instigator. People hate being forced into activities with coworkers. It is very difficult to pick an activity that everyone will like, and it is very difficult to get everyone to like each other. As a manager, people may not always tell you they don't want to go out for drinks or go out on bowling night. Instead they might just sit their seething in resentment when they'd rather be home.

    What you have to do is plant a seed of an idea, and then see if something grows out of it.

    Some examples of facilitation:
    * Building a volleyball court for employee use.
    * Permitting use of office projectors for movie night.
    * Letting people run a gaming server on the company pipe
    * Foster an environment where people can leave work together to grab coffee or whatever (as opposed to an environment where everyone always tries to make it look like they are always working)

    Some no no's:
    * Forcing your sys admins to play volleyball during their lunch hour.
    * Asking everyone to spend their friday night watching Planet of the Apes at work.
    * Pressuring people into 1st person shooters after work.
    * Insisting everyone go out to get coffee every morning as a break.

    The all time worst company sponsored activity I have ever heard of was an event a big company picnic. Employees were sent into a corn maze and they raced to escape the maze. A few hours of time off was awarded to everyone with more given to those who finished fastest. The managers sat and watched the whole thing from a platform overlooking the maze. For some reason, the situation reminds me of slaves fighting against each other in a gladatorial pit for the amusement of their masters except in this case the only reward was a few hours of freedom.

    - No, I am Sparticus.

    1. Re:facilitate not instigate by Zarf · · Score: 1

      someone moderate this parent post up... good post!

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    2. Re:facilitate not instigate by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great post. Another few suggestions in the same vein:

      *If you're going to do an outing, send off an email asking for suggestions. Have people cote and comment on the suggestions. This ensures people want to do it
      *Do not pressure employees into lame activities. As I type this, I'm staring at a sign up sheet for a 3 legged race they're pushing down everyone's throat. Luckily, on ly 2 managers have signed up so far
      *Do not treat employees like children. If you serve alcohol, do not make us use tickets to redeem the drinks. It doesn't work well and just annoys people.
      *Know your audience. Actually think about the likes and dislikes of the people at work. A morning off to see Lord fo the Rings at midnight is great for programmers, but less appreciated by accountants. The accountants may love a rousing game of golf, but a programmer may not like a golf course without a windmill hole.

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  37. Re:Bonzo--your YOUTH is showing by nusratt · · Score: 1

    the clown was BOZO.
    boNzo was a chimp.
    http://imdb.com/title/tt0043325/

  38. Re:thanks for the by citadelgrad · · Score: 1

    How is this not funny? Everyone's got an opinion. While I don't agree it was the second funniest thing I seen or heard all day. Cheers to anyone brings a lite moment to my day.

    Ask Slashdot: Why is everyone so f'in uptight and serious /. is a place to learn and relax.

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  39. Excellent advice by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1
    When the boss plans something, don't bail just because ~. Show up, and have fun. ~. Its not the bosses job to make you have fun. He's going out of his way to provide the ~ atmosphere. The least you can do is try.
    Exactly! Some people just are friggin complainers! If only they would get out of their little world for a minute and realize that the boss's job it not to make you have fun at work, they'd probably avoid that ulcer.
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  40. My new tradition by Zarf · · Score: 1

    If you currently have any department traditions or know of any, could you please take a moment to share them with me.

    We post Ask Slashdot questions asking about traditions.

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  41. Hair Dying is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It gives the closet sissies a reason to dye their hair that is socially acceptable.

  42. What do they have in common... Perhaps work? by BrynM · · Score: 1
    As others here have mentioned, the extra carricular activities can be trite. Finding something an entire team has in common is a pain unless they already all get along really well. Since they all have their work as a common interest, take them to a trade show. TSNN (don't know what it stands for) is a good site to look up shows. When you find one mildly interesting and fun, pay for everyone to go and buy them lunch and/or dinner. Make a day (or two!) of it.

    From all of the "team building" "exercises" I've ever participated in, shows were the best. You'll be letting them talk shop, but in an environment with plenty of new stimuli. The loners can wander off freely and the groups can... well... group. A nice simple way to justify the cost to the powers that be as well.

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  43. Just keep out of the way by dave_macleod · · Score: 1

    You can't force teams and traditions to evolve but you can do plenty to make sure they don't.

    Spend an hour or so thinking about all the things you could do to kill a good team environment (favouritism, demand for homogenous desk space, etc etc). Once you've got a list of these just stop doing them! Stay out of the way and, if you've got a decent bunch of people, they'll sort themselves out.

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  44. which football? by Roman_(ajvvs) · · Score: 1
    when you say "football", are you referring to:
    1. Gridiron (football in the USA)
    2. Soccer (football everywhere except the USA and a few other places)
    3. Rugby ...
      1. ...Union (british commonwealth football)
      2. ...league (primarily australian football)
    4. Aussie rules (don't ask... it's hard to explain, just ask a melbournian what their religion is)

    In my experience The more obscure the topic, often the easier it is to use it as a source of bonding. If you've got people from different area's, they'll have different tastes and interests. If noone is really rabit about Y, then they can't say "I much prefer X over Y, so count me out of whatever's related to Y".

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    1. Re:which football? by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      You forgot GAA football / Gaelic football, played in Ireland. Which is mostly what the Aussie rules football derives from.

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  45. Re:thanks for the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did no one notice that this was written in the Slashdot font? Nice touch. :)

  46. Best ... Tradition ... Ever by codeButcher · · Score: 4, Funny
    Regular and substantial pay raises. Great morale improver, and not many people who will object to it.

    Now if I only could find a team with such a tradition....

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  47. 24/7/365 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone please tell me why a lot of people write 24/7/365, and not just 24/7

    Surely 24/7/365 means 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 weeks a year

    24/7 on it's own is enough to indicate that you mean all year around.

    Or maybe it has some other meaning that I'm just not getting here.

    T.

    1. Re:24/7/365 by renehollan · · Score: 1

      24/7 implies non-holidays. 24/7/356 implies every day.

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    2. Re:24/7/365 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang, It's 24/7/52

      24/7/365 is over 7 years!

  48. Although it's a bit old........ by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd say go out and buy YOURSELF a copy of "peopleware" and read it. There are a couple of VERY important points made there

    1)You can NOT build teams - They can form, and the BEST you can do is not to interfere. Don't TRY and force teams. Now you can setup an environment that will foster team growth, but that is about it

    2)YOU, as a manager, will NEVER really be part of the team - period. You MIGHT like the team, the team might like YOU, and occasionally invite you along, but you are never REALLY part of the team. Even a team lead who does not have full management power is even slightly on the edge of a team. He/she CAN be a member, and in fact, can be the core, but that is in the same way that the hole in a doughnut is the core of the doughnut - he's not the same

    Part 2 is why MOST managers HATE teams - they don't fully control them, and aren't really part of them, so they are afraid of them, so they break them up

    One Hint from the book - if you are lucky enough for a team to form, feel lucky, and do your best to keep them happy

    I've had the joy (and I'm NOT using that sarcasticlly) of being a member of a gelled team twice in 20 years. Each time the teams lasted, oh, around 2 years before management did something stupid, and broke up the team. We almost NEVER went out after work, MOST of the gang didn't see each other outside of work, and we had very diverse interests - BUT we all KNEW what the other folks (guys and gals) on the team liked/disliked

    Another thing that I'll point out (not in the book) that I've noticed about every gelled team I've seen (not only worked on) - They were mixed gender and/or orientation AND mixed age. Best team I was ever on had folks from about 22 years old, up to about 50! (and that was for an 8 person team)

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  49. 2 Words by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

    Monthly paintball.

    Works wonders. And your employees will get to shoot at you without killing you. Great stress reliever.

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    1. Re:2 Words by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      If you suggest this at my work place I can gurantee you would not live to see the event.

  50. Food! by irrelevant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A good morale booster where I work is when the company picks up the tab for [favorite meal].

    e.g. bring in a big tray of seafood/pastries/whatever and let everyone sit around and talk while it gets eaten.

    But like every one else is saying, don't force stupid activities on us and don't make us spend extra time away from our real lives.

  51. This is too easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you currently have any department traditions or know of any

    The only tradition people care about:

    • Getting a paycheck every week

    Seriously, why don't you make "We will pay the employees when we're supposed to" a tradition. I've worked at too many companies that became "we will pay you whenever we think we can spare it, now get back to that unpaid overtime"

  52. Re:Bonzo--your YOUTH is showing by Xaviar21 · · Score: 1

    That may be so.. but neither rode on the dash of my tech van.

  53. keep it in context, and free, use swag by ghostlibrary · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep it simple and relevant. And keep it on the clock. Good morale stuff should a) intermesh with work, b) be during work time, and c) be opt-in.

    1) Pass out chinese food menus while your folks are working during the first game, everyone at work picks their order and gets free lunch. Basically, cheap catering during the big events your company is involved in.

    2) Get free swag from the teams, make available, i.e. "hey, we just got a box of free Bronco jerseys as a gift, anyone wants them, we'll have a box after the weekly staff meeting, first-come first-serve on sizes". If there aren't enough shirts for all, draw numbers from a hat for those who want one. Note that you're not 'wasting' company dollars on this, so folks won't grumble about 'why that money didn't go to raises instead'.

    Seriously, work your connections to get free swag for the staff, and use a slush fund to make things more pleasant during crunch time.

    Above all, don't give managers first access at the swag! Show you value the staff first.

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  54. BBQ and beer by tqft · · Score: 1

    Nothing is better than some hot food and cold beer for getting a team of people to talk to each other.

    Do it on company money - team building exercise.

    Schedule it long enough so those coming off roster can join in as well. You as boss should be completely pissed and butt of many jokes (great for team morale - sorry but true) by time everyone has cycled through.

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  55. Whatever you do, DON'T use the weekend. by mfarah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To add to all the insightful comments about NEVER doing mandated things, let me add my experience:

    In my previous job (a bank), the upper management would "reward" an entire appartment with a weekend seminar in a hotel 3 hours away from our city. When it was our turn, we were ordered to show up at the workplace at saturday 8:00AM, where a minibus would pick us up, take us to the hotel, spend the night there, and the minivan would drop us back *at workplace* (not at our homes) sunday 8:00PM. Only workers, no couples, no family. We were told we could NOT refuse. I kid you not.

    This "seminar" turned out to be one of those crappy "Let's build teamwork!" courses... all the while we were complaining about how they had KILLED our weekend for what was, essentially, work. The married ones couldn't see their families, the single ones didn't have our free time.

    To make things worse, the rooms we were assigned to had FOUR beds, which meant we all had to share the room (AND restroom) with three other guys. The two women in my department got it much easier, as they were assigned a two-bed rom (they were relieved, as they were afraid they'd actually have to share a room with two other guys).

    In the hotel's defense, the lunches they gave us was very good.

    The kicker? Right before we left, our boss took a picture of the entire department, posing in the hotel entrance. Two weeks later, the internal monthly newsletter had it page 3, along with a store telling that "The XXXX Department had a blast at the YYYY Hotel! [...] The bank has a long standing tradition of rewarding good work and [...]".

    The people at the Human Resources department weren't really jerks - they were out of touch with reality and actually believed employees viewed these "weekend seminars" as an actual prize.

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    1. Re:Whatever you do, DON'T use the weekend. by Don'tTreadOnMe · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure what country this is referring to, but here in the United States, when an employer says you are required to do something, then they are required to compensate you.

      Cue the folks who will say, "It's a free market, if you don't want to do what they tell you to do, just get another job!"

      Then cue the folks saying, "You keep saying that word, 'free market', but I do not think it means what you think it means."

    2. Re:Whatever you do, DON'T use the weekend. by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 1

      Most everyone I know is salaried or overtime exempt... so how exactly is the company required to compensate. Seriously I'd like to know because if there is such a law I'm pretty sure the statute of limitations wouldn't be up from my last death march.

    3. Re:Whatever you do, DON'T use the weekend. by Don'tTreadOnMe · · Score: 1
      Dang !

      I think you spotted the flaw in my reasoning.

      I was thinking back to my days as a line cook, when I was very much an hourly wage slave, and made sure that my employers knew that I knew my rights.

      Fortunately, my employers since I've been salaried have made no such ridiculous demands on my time.

      I'd be interested if anyone had any thoughts on how this concept affects salaried employees, too.

    4. Re:Whatever you do, DON'T use the weekend. by Valluvan · · Score: 1

      The people at the Human Resources department weren't really jerks - they were out of touch with reality..

      and that's called? They are jerks. Don't kid yourself.

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  56. let the team decide by Matje · · Score: 1

    Allocate a budget (needn't be large) and just let the team decide. Encourage team members to come up with fun things to do with it.

    if need be, you can always speed things up by proposing something yourself. If no one wants to stick his/her neck out, find the leader within the team (no not you, one of the employees who tends to represent the others in collective stuff) and ask him/her directly to organize something.

    IMHO, the worst thing you can do is say something like 'Listen up guys, I asked slashdot for some fun team-building things to do. Next wednesday we'll all go ...' I'd cringe.

  57. New Tradition??? by Skipworthy · · Score: 4, Interesting


    HERE'S a GREAT one:

    Treat your IT employees as professionals, with respect and humanity, rather than like retarded step children. Who need to be 'shown the way'.

    Bonehead.

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    1. Re:New Tradition??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bonehead.

      The sad thing is, I can't tell whether that's an insult or a signature. Guess that's what being online too much does to a guy...

  58. Mid Manager by Ropati · · Score: 1

    Antiqua Nice,

    Your job sucks.

    You are now a mid-manager. Your job and your success depend on your employees providing value to the company. You are between a rock and a hard place.

    Management needs to make money and cut costs to say competitive. If they don't, the company fails. Management is going to bring down directives on your department that are inane, tedious, disconnected, burdensome, and time consuming, to try and achieve their goals.

    Your job is to recognize why these directives are there and to abide by them within reason for the health of the company.

    Your job means pushing back on commands that have no visible productivity. It means protecting your staff, to the best of your ability, from any directives that will diminish them as employees. It means listening to your workers and pushing their productive suggestions up the pipe.

    As a manager, you need to demonstrate a clear understanding of what your staff needs to accomplish. Disseminate, not just the instructions from on high, but also explain the reasoning behind these rules. You must carve out enough authority to reward the employees who deliver on these directives. You must have the skills to train and motivate your staff and you must have the insight and spine to recognize, and if required, remove the employees who hold back your department.

    Your job sucks. You take this sucky job so you can get to a higher position where directives don't come down from on high, they come down from you. That job doesn't suck and is highly rewarding, but requires much grovelling and compromise for a long time to achieve.

    Good luck.

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  59. Gambling by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know if US law or social etiquette prohibits this (I'm from the UK), but if you're a sports-related company, why not run a book on various sporting events? I've done this for football (soccer) here, as well as David Beckham's next haircut, and political events (next leader of the Tory party, etc).
    It's fun, and it has geek value too, for the bookmaker, as you try to juggle the various odds so you won't be too out of pocket whatever the result.

    Free money, sport, and spreadsheets. What's not to like?

    1. Re:Gambling by magefile · · Score: 1

      So ... unofficially "peer pressure" employees into potentially losing their money? Good call! (Yes, I do hate sports. And soccer is much better than football, but you won't find many of my fellow Americans admitting it.)

  60. Are you really that blind to what we want!? by mzs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look I have a wife and two kids. At this point whenever one of these mandatory team/tradition deals happens I just leave and go home. I have NEVER suffered any consequences from adopting this attitude, my job is programing after-all not coffee and cookie time. Maybe if I was at all interested in climbing the ladder or whatever I would pay more attention to bull like this, but personally there is nothing more gratifying than getting home early, finding that the kids are still napping, being alone with my wife for a little bit to unwind, and then being there to play with the kids right when they wake-up. I don't care how fun the tradition is, if you think I am going to go out for bowling with the team instead of this, forget it I am going home. I would not get any work done anyway.

    I had it all before. The Hawaiian shirt day, the company picnic, the baseball games, the ping-pong, the cookie time, the beer hour, pizza night, hazing of new employees, bowling, arcades. In the beginning I put-up with it all thinking it would somehow look bad if I did not take part, but it really did not matter. I even was a vegetarian and ate raw beef as part of prospective employee hazing! Then I wisend-up.

    If you want to build morale and you cannot provide interesting projects or decent raises how about this for a suggestion. Rather than having everybody get together for for cookie and coffee time, just get a coffee-maker for the office and stock it with free coffee. Once a week put-out cookies near the new coffee-maker. That is a nice perk, if we want coffee or cookies we can go get some whenever we feel like. Remember that the majority of us were the quiet kids in the back of the room in school. We are still like that, we are quiet and don't care much for being forced to be social. We would rather spend that time doing what we enjoy more in our lives.

  61. Open Ended Team Activities by XBruticusX · · Score: 1

    Something that's really struck a nerve with us is the explosively popular 50cc motorcycles (ex. The Honda CR50 ) that you can rent similar to go-karts and race around a closed short track. They are fast enought to be fun and provide a little competition, but not so fast as to be seriously dangerous or scary. Not only can you physically blow of some steam, but it's always something that produces a ton of laughs and is an instantly casualizing experience. The place where we do it (grrrr, no website) rents the bikes and all the necessary equipment at a nicely discounted corporate rate, and offers a spacious picnic area for non-riders to socialize and everybody to congregate afterwards. Those who don't ride take digital pictures which we can laugh about during the week and give each other funny nicknames and stuff based on what happened. As well as it's gelled our group, it may be worth a try.

  62. Company drinks by dubl-u · · Score: 1

    One trading company I worked for would order a few cases of beer and other drinks in every Friday afternoon. Nobody had to participate, but even the non-drinkers would usually stop work and hang out with the rest.

    It was great. It got people talking in a way that wouldn't have happened during the work day. Not only did it make people feel generally closer to their colleagues, but the cross-polination meant a lot of great ideas came up that never would have happened otherwise.

  63. Holiday Tradition by tedgyz · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I was part of a large (~50) engineering group, we just did a few things during the holidays.

    For example, at Halloween we dressed up. We also invited the families in to trick or treat door to door. I'll admit, I was a bit scared to see my kids go to some of the more "embedded" geeks - i.e. the office reminded you of their pungent scent.

    Christmas / Hannukkah was our biggest event. We had a buffet lunch, which always sparked good conversation about food. With a diverse group from around the world, it was always interesting. Then there was the Yankee swap - a sleeper hit for us. This little gift giving game turned into a serious event. The Dilbert Calender(s) were always top prize. We also had some uber-geeky tech games, like build a paper structure to hold cafeteria trays. Most trays before collapse wins.

    Your mileage may vary.

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    1. Re:Holiday Tradition by RaymondRuptime · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are some large companies around here that do this sort of Halloween thing; however, it's not just the kids of the employees who are invited in. They bring in special ed classes to trick-or-treat, and throw them a big party, give them 1-on-1 attention, and even send them off with a few company-store items that they can use in their classroom--all for free. The kids (and teachers and parents) love it, of course.

      The employees really enjoy it because they not only get to goof around and (optionally) dress silly on a workday afternoon, but they know that they are doing something special and meaningful for somebody else; it's not just one more odious team-building exercise. The companies are behind it because it's a very healthy way for teams to come together, it's on-site so there is little cash or lost-hours cost involved, and it's pretty good publicity.

      This sort of public-service, everybody-wins activity is just really great, and I can't recommend it enough. (Or commend those companies enough.) One company had a Habitat for Humanity party and helped build a home for someone in need. A company I used to work for had a competition at Thanksgiving to see which floor could bring in the most food for the community food pantry (with surprisingly little unauthorized movement of cans from one floor to another).

      There are lots and lots of opportunities for these sorts of things in each city, and there is always something for every size of organization. (If you don't know where to start looking, try asking your local principal or your local office of the United Way.) I'd encourage you to find one that fits your community and corporate culture and make it one of your annual events.

  64. DO IT DURING WORK HOURS AND PAY FOR IT!!! by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

    Whatever you end up organising, one way to definitely make it a success is to do it during work hours.

    There's nothing I hate more than having "team building" exercises forced onto me after work - Hell I'm not getting paid overtime for this crap!

    And what's even worse is when you have a work Xmas dinner at PF Changs and your $250k VP makes you pay for yourselves and spouses! Yeah you know I mean you Richard S!

    If you're forcing some crappy event on your staff, at least do it out of petty cash or your own pocket! As you can tell, this MBA crap is p1ssing me off!

    How about "do whatever you want (except go home) Friday 4pm" or something?

    Or "I'll get the first two rounds at the pub during the two-hour lunch and pay for taxis Thursday?"

    Casual dress Friday with free donuts always works well.

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  65. Ground Hog Day by Dante333 · · Score: 1

    Every February 2nd we would bring in our favorite SPAM (the meat not the mail) recipes and share them with our co-workers. Most of the time we would even eat what was prepared. Then we would take a moment to reflect on what we had just done, and a little part of us would die inside.

  66. Try a team lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can try scheduling a team lunch on a weekly or semi-weekly basis. Don't make it too formal, calling it a "Brown Bag" lunch may be the ideal approach.

    1. Re:Try a team lunch by bonezed · · Score: 1

      company i work for has an unwritten laksa friday

      essentially, a bunch of the guys walk down to chinatown and have whatever

      great instituition

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  67. Only if they pay me by WateryGrave · · Score: 1
    Amen!

    I'm not a team player, I don't like to share and I dread/escape Company "outings." I subscribe to the McDLT theory of work/life balance. My home life is cool and I intend to keep it that way, without intermingling the work side.

    Most people love these sorts of things, but the last thing I want to do is get drunk with work people. Sure, you work as a team, but you're all in competition, too. I like to preserve a bit of mystery and not give my opponents ammunition. If you don't think you're competing with the members of your team, then you're most likely losing.

    Having kids comes in really handy in these situations. I just keep crapping out and people understand that I am not an outing target. If I went once and then crapped out, I wouldnt be team player. Just be consistent.

    Finally, I have enough friends. Work people are associates. (Just to forestall any "you must not have friends" replies).

    1. Re:Only if they pay me by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Or you really aren't competing. What the hell would you be competing for? A promotion? Wouldn't accept one if it was offered. A raise? Raises come for the group, we all get them or none of us do. Besides, you only make real raises by quitting and going elsewhere, no competition there. If you think you're competing with the members of your team, you most likes have feelings of inadequacy.

      As for friends- is there really such a thing as enough friends? You may not need more, but having more never hurts.

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  68. Shit ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny
    Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans.


    We need a specific day for that?? Oops!

    =)
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    1. Re:Shit ... by jayayeem · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hate Hawaiian shirt and jeans day. Where do they get off telling me I have to wear pants to work?

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  69. Lord how I loath detest "team" building events by zorkmid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once worked at a place where a hyperactive VP liked to hold weekly (oversized) tricycle races through the cube farm. When she trained her beady little eyes on me I told her "You're not paying me to tear around like an idiot. Please don't embarrass yourself by asking me again". Tric races kind of died down a bit after that [grin].

    I've always ditched any organized event that's scheduled outside of working hours. I have a family, friends and life outside work, thanks.

    Some of the qualities *I* think make a good manager:

    - Structure workload and staffing such that we're not working 24/7/365. I don't mind working hard during crunch times but if we're consistently clocking in 60+ hours and on a constant "death march" you're doing a bad job.

    - Shield us from idiocy from above.

    - Share the credit when things are going right.

    - Share the blame when things are going wrong.

    - I realize this isn't always possible but, a clear outline of where we are. Where we need to be in the next couple of months and at least a foggy sense of how we're going to get there is nice.

    - I'm not a praise 'ho but every now and then I kind of like a little feedback as to how I'm doing.

    - Want to see my face lite up? Give me a buff laptop, and screaming development server and up to date tools and software to work with.

    1. Re:Lord how I loath detest "team" building events by y0mbo · · Score: 1

      Umm... close.

      - Give the credit when things are going right.

      - Take the blame when things are going wrong.

  70. Forced traditions by Ratbert42 · · Score: 1

    Oh, we have a tradition all right. We all make fun of the new boss that's trying to introduce team-building rah-rah events and "make the workplace fun." That's the tradition here. So maybe there is already a tradition at your company and you don't know about it.

  71. A 'Team Ball' by bokmann · · Score: 1

    On my project we do this with a globe (because we write international software), but the idea is the same...

    Get a 'Team Ball', or some other token.

    At your next big team meeting or get together, explain the 'new tradition', and hand it to someone, recognizing them for some job well done, or some other 'above and beyond' action.

    That person then has the responsibility of deciding who should get the team ball next time it moves. It might move the next day, or it might not move for a month, but people who see something worthy of the team ball tell the person who has it about the action. That person then decides if it is worthy or not, and passes it on with some nice words. It doesn't move on any set schedule.

    Why is this good? Recognition from your peers is nice. This ball isn't some 'management token', it is genuine recognition from your peers... it also feels good to pass it along. Eventually, someone will get it who 'hordes' it, but eventually it will move again as a result of peer pressure.

    Morale is free, but it is invaluable.

    1. Re:A 'Team Ball' by BJH · · Score: 1

      If you tried to introduce something like that where I work, within three days it'd be called the "Team Balls" and it'd go to the person who'd pissed off the manager the most recently.

  72. At my company... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Part of the problem, IMHO, is that you can't use the same ploys to motivate techies that you would use to motivate sales and marketing types. The sales and maketing types seem to like the team-building crap our company does (or they pretend to, for the sake of kissing the boss' butts), but the techies don't want to be bothered.

    The biggest morale problem at my place has to do with there being too much work to get done during a normal day, and then the company adds insult to injury by making us come to "fun" meetings, which aren't fun, and which require us to spend even more of our nights and weekends trying to get our work done. If you're overworking your staff (and I've never worked at a place that wasn't), don't waste their time with anything that makes it harder to get their job done effectively and during normal business hours!

    My company has had problems in this area, but they seem to be learning. We just had an all-day department status meeting, with "fun activities" planned for the afternoon. We were all dreading the "fun activites" part. At noon, the big boss announced that the fun activity was that we were excused from work for the rest of the day. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), most of the developers I work with feel under such pressure that they went back to work anyway. However, since they were putting in "extra" hours that afternoon, they felt that they could leave at the normal quitting time (for once), so it was worth it anyway.

  73. Arf! by SlowDancing · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The manager isn't part of the team; he can't be. He has to have a bigger perspective than the team has, he answers to other people, and he has to be able to discipline. The sheep dog may spend a lot of time with the sheep, but he never becomes part of the flock; his real focus is pleasing the shepherd." That's my wife speaking. (She learned this in retail, not in our house, in case you were wondering.)


  74. Bleach my hair?!! I am bald by Valluvan · · Score: 1

    You insensitive clod.

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  75. Don't mistake excellent work for teamwork by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

    In short, goodwill make for better team building than faux camaraderie.
    What build a strong team is a shared vision to do the impossible and be willing to die trying to effect ...


    This belongs in another /. thread : Wow I inherited a team of seasoned professional developers that are working for me because they love technology and magically have no personality conflicts or morale issues.

    You seem to be missing the point.

    The entire thread from the OP on down is centered around one man's tale of inheriting an existing development group and wanting to create from that group a 'team' capable of ongoing (or new) excellence. He genuinely wants his group to be happy, work together, and deliver results. If you send four co-workers to Vegas with a $800 a day combined bankroll and they don't get in any trouble, together as a team - you might as well fire all four of them because they don't have a drop of team-worthy blood in any of them. They lack Synergy - and Synergy / Teamwork are personality traits. No amount of technical acumen will make up for a lack of personality or cross the chasm of conflicting personalities between members of a group. You are technically 'elite'. Pretending I was only half as good would still make me technically 'elite'. And you have already decided that you and I wouldn't be able to work together. That's not based on technical ability - that's based on synergy, and personality.

    Four bad-ass uberDevelopers in the same workgroup are worthless if they can't work together; if they won't play together on a pre-paid trip to an adult playground, it's a pretty safe bet that they won't work together (in a productive manner worthy of the name 'team') in your office. That's just how team synergy works.

    As for GOTOs, I believe that Dijstra was building on the works of Nick Wirth in his crusade to remove the more 'evil' aspects of early development by forcing the developer to structure his code logically long before he starts banging on the keyboard. The GOTO was a crutch that allowed a hack in the code, jumping around to different sections of code like the thought patterns of a schizophrenic. Personally I view more than a few GOTO's in someone's code like a flashing neon warning, like the use of the BLINK tag in HTML - it is a pretty strong indication that whoever wrote the code didn't completely think it through before sitting down to code, or hasn't got even a rudimentary grasp of the language fundamentals and although his code will compile and run it probably needs to be gutted and re-coded. The GOTO's aren't the problem, they are simply symptoms of a larger, more ominous problem.

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    1. Re:Don't mistake excellent work for teamwork by renehollan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you send four co-workers to Vegas with a $800 a day combined bankroll and they don't get in any trouble, together as a team - you might as well fire all four of them because they don't have a drop of team-worthy blood in any of them... And you have already decided that you and I wouldn't be able to work together. That's not based on technical ability - that's based on synergy, and personality.

      No, that's based on the knowledge that I would be fired for refusing to get in trouble - your own words. To be specific: If I worked for you, and you asked me to accompany three coworkers to go to Las Vegas "for fun" (or worse, for "training", hint, hint, nudge, nudge -- in that case I'd turn you in to senior management for fraud and offer my resignation), I would refuse to accompany them. If there was a training session there, and thus a legitimate business reason, I would go, but spend my spare time in my hotel room, catching up on work - 8 hours a day training, and 8 hours a day to make up for lost work time (or to rehash and apply that day's training). By your own standards, you'd have to fire me for not being a "team player".

      If I get in trouble, even get a speeding ticket, I can be deported. Fortunately, I have no desire to seek the kind of "thrills" you describe and thus do not consider what you would no doubt find boring an unreasonable restriction.

      This has gotten a bit off topic, so I'll offer what I would do with a new, perhaps ungelled team: offer them a budget for the equipment necessary to get their job done, and let them figure out, together, how to spend it. And I'd fight the kind of stupidity that would let me pay for entertainment, but not tools. That said, your other points deserve rebuttal.

      You are operating on the mistaken assumption that shared cheap entertainment builds a team where there is none. Such "teams", I've found, are fickle, because they do not naturally exist and have to be "made".

      I've encountered them. What happens is that you get a shared "laissez-faire" attitude regarding the really nasty bugs that no one can fix. What you need are people who roll up their shirt sleeves, and don't leave until the problem is discovered. One or two "uber-developers" as you put it are sufficient. What binds people like that is the "chase" of tracking the problem down.

      No amount of technical acumen will make up for a lack of personality or cross the chasm of conflicting personalities between members of a group.

      There is no place for conflicting personalities in the work place -- you're there to do a job, not to socialize. One puts aside differences to get the job done. Period. And, yes, I've successfully worked with people who I've hated and who've hated me. When it comes to the job, that is irrelevant. The common bond was "getting the job done".

      You're trying to create an artificial shared peril when there is a very real one of getting the job done.

      As for elitism, I've rescued enough projects from the hands of idiots, single-handedly (thousands of lines of supposedly multi-threaded Java with nary a "synchronized" keyword in sight is a nasty thing to fix "yesterday", esp. when one is a Java newbie like I was -- this was code that we inherited, and being a C/C++/Assembly shop (what WAS management thinking), we were clueless, and the outsourced "expert" devs were, in reality, just as clueless. The "team", impotent as a vasectomized deer staring into the headlights of a deadline, was paralyzed. Took me, equally ignorant of Java, to step forward, "learn", and fix the crap in a weekend. Rinse, lather, repeat a dozen times in a career.), to be a bit of a prima donna. The proof is in the pudding. Fortunately, I now work with people just as competent.

      In my example above, the "team dynamic" resulted in: "we're all equall clueless, let's do nothing, and we can't all get fired." Doing what I did ran counter to that dynamic, but, guess what, let us deliver on time. Such a dynamic is not healthy.

      Four bad-ass uberDevelopers

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    2. Re:Don't mistake excellent work for teamwork by renehollan · · Score: 1
      I had previously missed this. You wrote:

      He genuinely wants his group to be happy, work together, and deliver results.

      And yet, you earlier noted that excursions are not about happiness.

      Groups aren't happy, except indirectly via their members. Only the individuals within a group can be happy.

      You can't make all individuals within a group happy by appealing to the desires of some of them, only of all of them. This has to be based on something they already have in common: the need to get a job done. Thus, the only guaranteed option is to make their work environment as conducive to productivity as possible.

      Either that, or decide to weed some members out for not "fitting in" in a manner that has nothing to do with the job at hand. There are places in the world where firing someone for non-work-related reasons is illegal.

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    3. Re:Don't mistake excellent work for teamwork by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      May I never have to work with you for very long. I might not have a problem contracting work out to you, but there's no chance someone as disagreeable as you come off as would ever get hired in my office. Being able to work with your coworkers is almost (but not as) important than the coding do doing your job, but being as much as a prat (and if in person you're not a prat, nevermind) as you seem to be, you'd be far more disruptive to a comfortable work environment than your skills would make up for.

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    4. Re:Don't mistake excellent work for teamwork by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      I will point out, however, that its not a development house I deal with.

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    5. Re:Don't mistake excellent work for teamwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're assuming these are all young white males who would share the same asinine idea of "fun," correct? Would one of those engineers be female and from some other ethnic background like Cambodian or Indian? You think your idea of fun is universal????

      Jeez...disgusting..

  76. Gulp! by Ikn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not IT, but when I worked at McDonalds, there was a spout on the pop machine for pure carbonation or whatever. Thing is, it looks just like sprite. So some vet. would challenge the new person to a speed-drinking contest, with a full cup of sprite, whoever won got to leave early. The vet would fill the cups, and the newbie obviously got a cup of carbonation. I don't know if anyone has ever drunk the stuff, but it's very, very horrible, like bleach or acid...new guy takes one gulp, spews...good times had by all. The hardest part was everyone keeping a straight face when someone was like "Hey, wanna do a drinking contest?" to the poor sap...

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  77. You can't force it by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Informative

    You really can't.

    On the flip side my company does throw great teambuilding events.

    How do they do it?

    It's quarterly. A different business unit picks the venue. The company picks up the tab (there is a budget for this)

    The last one we had was end of summer beach party. They bought a bunch of sand and we built sand castles. From 2:00 to 4:00 on a Friday afternoon.

    We got to take a break from work for a while and have some fun. There were other entertainments too. Beach balls, food, that sort of thing.

    A lot of people just sat around and caught up.

    Opening game to the local minor league is a big picnic every year. Attendance is optional. Hot Dogs, Hamburgers, Beer, Soft Drinks, Tickets, all provided. Other times we've just played frisbee golf for the afternoon. Yes it went on the timesheet as "company meeting"...

    The point being it's kept fun and interesting because different people get to choose the activity every time. Our business units are on the order of 10 - 25 heads so everyone gets a chance to put in some feedback when deciding.

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  78. BOHICA by Mr.+Foogle · · Score: 1

    The best mascot I've _ever_ seen was one that was adopted for the annual 'Team Spirit' excercises in Korea.

    BOHICA the Beaver. BOHICA was everywhere in an unoffical capacity. T-shirts, hats, stickers. Cute jaunty beaver, with a fey naughty smile on her face.

    I will leave the meaning behind the name to your imagination.

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  79. Communication by kantster · · Score: 1
    I have been thinking about communication for a while now. And while my reply does not deal with your direct question, I feel it is more important to have direct, open and non-fragmentative communication environment in your group than any prop traditions that you can find.

    Direct and open are easily understood words. Let me explain non-fragmentative. This is a word I came up with to explain what happens where I word. Our core group is divided among different managers. It is still a core and singular group since the source is common. However different managers have different controls over stuff. This means communication that is directed at the group only, most of the time, makes it to a fragment of the group, depending on origin. Now, many of us have to answer questions from outside, that beg complete knowledge of the product. However, since no-one has that, due to the "marvellous" communication model that we have, we often make mistakes.

    More than looking bad, this is very frustrating and does NOT help foster a feeling of ownership and pride in the product. That is just a precursor to disaster.

    Please don't do that.

    http://kantster.blogspot.com

  80. Take them to a strip club? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Enron used to fly people from Texas to San Francisco, and take them to the Gold Club, a strip club.

    The amusing thing is that the Gold Club is, by SF standards, the tamest strip club in town. As a local reviewer wrote, "You could have your Rotary Club meeting there". Kinda boring, actually.

  81. Two Rules by irontiki · · Score: 1

    1. Be generous with your team. When a new employee starts, buy the team lunch. When the team is having a crappy day, buy the team lunch. If there's an emergency and no one is getting lunch/dinner, order pizza in and send people home early the next day. When someone really comes through, send them home early with a bonus check. Food, cash, and time off go a long way.

    2. Defend your team. When people are interfering with a team member, nullify them before it becomes a distraction. If a team member isn't working out, do what you can to help them function but move them along if it's impacting other members. Do everything you can to keep your team smart, their tasks clear, and shield them from the inevitable corporate nonsense.

  82. Buy them out by sebastiencharland · · Score: 1

    I've been in IT for a while now and there's nothing better for morale than having the chance to play around with leading edge technology.

    Also, size up your employee. They all have strenght and weaknesses. Assigned them long term project that involve new technology in there field of expertise to keep them busy. There's nothing worse than to be waiting for a call while doing ziltch.

    Upgrade there machine. Most geek in IT loves to have the latest and greatest HW. Dual monitor might be a start ;-)

    Most of all, pick up the blame for anything your team does. If anything goes wrong, you and nobody else is repsonsible for it. That will reinforce you as a leader. Also, make sure there is no competition between your guys.

    In this economic climate, you might want to reassure them that their jobs are safe. Make sure they know what is coming up down the road.

    You might also want to write a monthly reports that would be sent to the whole compagny, telling everyone what good thing came out from your department. People in IT never get the recognition that they deserve. You only see them when thing goes wrong. Make sure everyone knows that they bring value to the compagny.

    I could probably go on for hours, but you get the idea.

    Cheers,

    Seb
    PS: English is a second language, so I appologize in advance to all you grammar freek out there. :-)

  83. The passing of the LART by marquis111 · · Score: 1

    I was bored years ago and constructed a long string of metal Mobo standoffs which I named the LART, while building Windows 95 machines. http://www.hyperdictionary.com/computing/lart

    It was used to exorcise demons of stupidity, ala Dogbert
    http://www.screensavers.com/?WP_ID=386_0_ 23737_1

    I passed it on to the next senior helpdesk sacrificial goat/tech, and each one has passed it on to their successors in a ceremony named appropriately enough, "The Passing of the Lart".
    It's good for a laugh.