I reposted the article just above. The picture shows a glowing u-shaped florecent tube. By "disappear" I believe they just mean large radar return. Such materials are called PECs in radar parlance (Perfect Electrical Conductor). You will still be able to see the tube visually.
In related speculation, I wonder if you could use the ION beam from a space probe's thruster (assuming Ion Drive of course) as an antenna. Of course since it wouldn't be parabolic or very directional it might be of limited use.
'Stealth' Antenna Made Of Gas, Impervious To Jamming
Submitted by News Account on 12 November 2007 - 2:58pm. Physics
A new antenna made of plasma (a gas heated to the point that the electrons are ripped free of atoms and molecules) works just like conventional metal antennas, except that it vanishes when you turn it off.
That's important on the battlefield and in other applications where antennas need to be kept out of sight. In addition, unlike metal antennas, the electrical characteristics of a plasma antenna can be rapidly adjusted to counteract signal jamming attempts.
Plasma antennas behave much like solid metal antennas because electrons flow freely in the hot gas, just as they do in metal conductors. But plasmas only exist when the gasses they're made of are very hot. The moment the energy source heating a plasma antenna is shut off, the plasma turns back into a plain old (non conductive) gas. As far as radio signals and antenna detectors go, the antenna effectively disappears when the plasma cools down.
This prototype plasma antenna is stealthy, versatile, and jam-resistant. Credit: T. R. Anderson and I. Alexeff
The antenna design being presented at next week's APS Division of Plasma Physics meeting in Orlando consists of gas-filled tubes reminiscent of neon bulbs. The physicists presenting the design propose that an array of many small plasma elements could lead to a highly versatile antenna that could be reconfigured simply by turning on or off various elements.
- T. R. Anderson and I. Alexeff
2007 APS Division of Plasma Physics annual meeting
November 12, 2007
Let's see... I bought my PS3 60gig for $349 dollars with 8 free movies. I've bought 5 additional movies at Amazon.com for an average of about $17 a piece. I have an 8 foot wide front project HDTV and the quality is astonishing, player costs have come down far faster than any other player type for both formats and everyone is still bitching about how much stuff costs. I have rented Blu-Ray movies at Blockbuster for under $5 for a better viewing experience than going to the local Cineplex by far. Even with our small family of 3 this is an immense savings. Did your poor mom have a DVD player in its first year? Adjusted for inflation it was likely much more than $600.
Now granted I had to wait for a good sale before buying my Playstation and I don't buy movies the first week they come out unless it's a BOGO offer.
I would like to see Blu-Ray win, I think the PS3 is a vastly under-rated product, but I will buy HD-DVD and enjoy it too once it is clear it has won. If I'd realized how many HD-DVD players would be available during the $98 blow out I would have gone and gotten one, I had now idea they would last all weekend plus. If you think Toshiba is making money on any players under $200 I have a bridge in Brookline. My point is that Toshiba had to lower prices to under hundred to pull off this coupe, but it doesn't mean $200-$300 units will now sell like hotcakes. When Blu-Ray is similarly behind they will unload inventory at ridiculously low prices also. There is a reason there where so many HD-A2s sitting around on the shelf and that was at $200.
The real problem here is upconverted DVD looks pretty good and some (most?) people don't know how to properly set up a good HDTV installation or think it is too complex. While HDMI has some benefits it was mostly foist on the public to prevent piracy. Add to that, that equipment doesn't even come with a HDMI cable or even component in most cases and you have all the makings of people being underwhelmed by how things look when hooking things up with the S-Video or Composite connectors. BTW, while most people think a 51" set is huge, you can't believe how much the extra resolution means when you have 120" diagonal -- in other words most sets aren't large enough to really take advantage of HDTV.
I'm not sure you can blame Sony or Toshiba for HDMI as the studios insisted on these inconvenient extra connectors to fight piracy, though HDMI does promise some interesting future capabilities like deep color and higher resolutions.
As a final note, it is odd about how everybody is crying and complaining about having two formats to choose between. Yes, we should never give the consumer a choice. Manufacturers should always decide everything for us in advance. Oddly if their were no choice to make Toshiba and Sony would both still have over $500 as the lowest price point for entry this Christmas. Am I the only who remembers $1000 DVD players?
Supporting Fair use means BUYING from artists that distribute on un-DRM'd media -- supporting fair use is not buying a media that has been cracked and is thus pirateable. The latter will only motivate them to try to lock it up even harder. Believe me they will not learn soon if you don't support first over the second.
About 3 years ago I hooked up a friend's progressive DVD player to their HDTV. The SERVICE man from the store it was purchased from had hooked it up with a composite cable. I got them a component cable and hooked it up (that part was easy) but spent the better part of an hour getting the settings right on BOTH the TV and the DVD, which had to have both in progressive mode and inputting/outputting through the Component cable, and navigating to these settings was far from straight forward. If you didn't set the DVD correctly then whatever signal is was sending put only showed as B&W on the set. Maybe things have improved in the last 3 years, but in general things shouldn't be this obtuse. Since I am a programmer for a living I think if I have problems installing it then J6P shouldn't be expected to suffer with it. And for the record I have been homebrew HDTV since 2002 with a MyHD card so I am hardly a novice at these things.
In general things should be smart enough to just work when you plug them together, but this isn't always the case with HDTV. If J6P doesn't get an HDMI cable with his TV and HD player he likely will not know he needs one. But I see you would rather he just think HDTV is a scam.
It's because J6P is slow to adopt that the HDTV roll out has been slow. If you want HDTV you want it to be simple for J6P also.
I'm not sure I'd call Betamax a failure, though VHS did eventually overtake and beat it. No format lasts forever. Beta lasted for like 20 years. You also fail to mention CDs, 3 1/2 floppy discs, or that Sony was co-founder of the original DVD spec. Toshiba was mostly to blame for the DVD forum not agreeing on a standard with Sony.
Everybody always totes this statement out in regards to HD media, but in case you haven't noticed not everybody is hooked up to broadband, and those that are don't have uniformly high download rates. It will be a player sure, but not full high quality because bandwidth tempts you to scrimp on file size, and even those downloading these overly compressed HD files will only account for at most 10-20% of the HD market the next 3-5 years. And that assumes studios can control piracy, because if you condition people to download HD, I guarantee you will also see a rise in piracy. At least with Discs someone still has to burn or press them.
Your supposition is that there are millions of people that have been on the fence the last year and a half just waiting for this moment and will now pounce. A high percentage of these players will go to Blu-Ray owners who just want to hedge their bets and play a few must have titles they can't get on Blu-Ray.
HD enthusiasts already have players and J6P often hooks his brand new HDTV up to a progressive scan player with a composite cable. Someone needs to build these players into a good HDTV so the lay public doesn't have to get the Wires and the Settings correct.
Just a little bias in the article post: "They will continue to sell the PS3 for the time being".
1.) The PS3 is a Blu-Ray player, arguably the best, that's what I bought mine for.
2.) "Time Being" meaning to imply Kmart may drop the PS3 also? And not sell all 3 of the current generation game players? Not likely.
HD-DVD could win, but in general people are not buying quality 1080P HDTVs at Kmart, they are buying cut rate 720P stuff that doesn't look that much better with HD-DVD than upscaled DVD.
Don't get me wrong, this isn't good for Blu-Ray, but it isn't the sky falling either.
Officials are quoted as saying the miniaturized RF technology would allow manufactures to finally progress from making cell phones to making mitochondria phones.
I know it's inevitable and I want our troops protected, but its ironic how much this looks like the garb worn by the enforcer types in dozens of dystopia movies. One key to waging war is to dehumanize the enemy in the eyes or your citizens and fighting force. It will be far easier for our adversaries to paint our troops as inhuman.
So many comments about the small color range, but really this isn't a problem if the dot pitch is small enough. Printed paper only has 8 colors (16 if you include black in CMYB). Back in the day with only 4-16 colors we dithered to get a better range of colors, the look was similar to old comic books and for much the same reason. With 4096 colors to choose from dithering is very subtle and hard to notice. My 1998 laptop monitor only had 4096 colors, but dithering made it look fine. It's unclear to me whether most LCDs even today have full true 24 bit color.
I'd say getting a whole discussion thread about PS3s being ganged together to make an inexpensive supercomputer for scientific use makes this an ADVERTISING bargain for Sony despite the derogatory tone of the person submitting the story.
I avoided SP2 for over 2 years because it broke my hyper-threading on my 4+ year old 3ghz P4 Dell XPS. I eventually gave in, in order to install some software my wife needed. Seems like a 50/50 chance I can re-enable hyper-threading with it.
I have no trouble being called cheap, but prefer frugal. I guess I'm cheap to buy a PS3, but HD-DVD keeps bragging it is the cheapest. Wouldn't buying HD-DVD make me look cheap?
Since you can play movies with the untethered Bluetooth controler you already have a remote.
I don't plan on keeping the PS3 cooped up in a cabinet, but if I did it would last MUCH longer than an XBox 360 with its heat related problems.
Linux doesn't have mass market appeal yet, but being able to use it for Linux is also a plus.
I had seen PS3s in stores behind windows, but was surprised how sturdy and elegant mine seemed once I took it out of the box. The finish looks and feels like ebony. I'm very proud to have this on the AV stand, it definitely doesn't look cheap or toy-like. The only downside is the finish does show fingerprints easily, so you do have to wipe it off every so often to keep it looking nice.
As someone that just purchased a PS3 for $350 (after $150 rebate) with free shipping and 8 free movies I'm not too worried about this development. In fact I rather welcome it as HD-DVD and VDM will battle to the death for the low end and most likely neither will survive.
If worst comes to worse I still have a great game machine and a Linux computer.
I must confess one bit of annoyance with Toshiba and the HD-DVD camp; I bought my PS3 primarily as an HD movie player, but the HD-DVD camp screams day and night that only standalone players count (except when they want to include the XBox 360 addon). Blu-Ray may not win, but it certainly has the largest installed base at 6 million plus; it is much less likely to just stumble and fail completely as HD-DVD was in danger of doing until the Paramount defection (strange doings that).
It will be a delicious irony to hear HD-DVD proponents now claiming low-price is not the biggest determining factor in who wins.
For those predicting the imminent elimination/enslavement of the human race once ultra-intelligent machines become self-aware, where would the motivation for them to do so come from? I would contend it is a religious meme that drives such thoughts -- intelligence without a soul must be evil.
For those that would argue Darwinian forces lead to such imperatives; sure you could design the machines to want to destroy humanity or evolve them in ways that create such motivations, but it seems unlikely this is what we will do. Most likely we will design/evolve them to be benign and helpful. The evolutionary pressure will be to help mankind not supplant it. Unlike animals in the wild, robot evolution will not be red of tooth and claw.
An Asimovian type future might arise with robots maneuvering events behind the scenes for humanities best long term good.
I worry more about organized religious that might try to deny us all a chance at the near immortality that our machine children could offer us rather than some Terminator like scenario.
Because of the Orwellian overtones of implanted RFID chips I'd say people are more likely to give these kind of research results more credence than they deserve. Even if, as seems most likely, this research is proved to be very flawed, RFID-chips-cause-cancer (RC^3) will be a meme that lives on and will resurface many times regardless of any validity.
Humans often believe things because the want to, not because they are true.
So you would be in the it's better to possibly send an innocent man to jail than to set a dangerous precedent camp?
Instead of arguing lie-detectors are in all cases BAD, how about we acknowledge their weaknesses like any forensic tool and decide how best to use them to improve our justice system. We could also work on improving the science behind them and the protocols for their use.
In this case it is the DEFENSE offering the lie-detector evidence. Most sexual molestation/battery cases come down to he-said she-said. Lots of innocent people have been convicted under these circumstances. While lie-detectors are not perfect I think in this type of situation they are perhaps appropriate. I would not allow them for prosecution (which is what I think a lot of knee-jerk post here have assumed) and only in cases where the evidence comes down to what is being said by two people, which appears to be what the Judge has decided in this case. While lie-detectors are only about 70% accurate, that is better odds than deciding just on the demeanor of two people in court.
I can sympathize that women are outraged by the high number of men that get off scott-free with these type of charges, but that doesn't alter the fact that it really isn't fair to convict someone on nothing more than an accusation by one person without direct supporting evidence (bruises are not direct evidence). Yes direct evidence is hard to come by in these cases, they are usually executed in private without other witnesses, but I for one would rather see 10 guilty men free than send 1 innocent man to jail.
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Ahh, but paint a wall with this stuff, then wear a cloak of it and hide IN FRONT of the wall.
A sort of limited invisibility.
I reposted the article just above. The picture shows a glowing u-shaped florecent tube. By "disappear" I believe they just mean large radar return. Such materials are called PECs in radar parlance (Perfect Electrical Conductor). You will still be able to see the tube visually.
In related speculation, I wonder if you could use the ION beam from a space probe's thruster (assuming Ion Drive of course) as an antenna. Of course since it wouldn't be parabolic or very directional it might be of limited use.
'Stealth' Antenna Made Of Gas, Impervious To Jamming Submitted by News Account on 12 November 2007 - 2:58pm. Physics
A new antenna made of plasma (a gas heated to the point that the electrons are ripped free of atoms and molecules) works just like conventional metal antennas, except that it vanishes when you turn it off.
That's important on the battlefield and in other applications where antennas need to be kept out of sight. In addition, unlike metal antennas, the electrical characteristics of a plasma antenna can be rapidly adjusted to counteract signal jamming attempts.
Plasma antennas behave much like solid metal antennas because electrons flow freely in the hot gas, just as they do in metal conductors. But plasmas only exist when the gasses they're made of are very hot. The moment the energy source heating a plasma antenna is shut off, the plasma turns back into a plain old (non conductive) gas. As far as radio signals and antenna detectors go, the antenna effectively disappears when the plasma cools down.
This prototype plasma antenna is stealthy, versatile, and jam-resistant. Credit: T. R. Anderson and I. Alexeff
The antenna design being presented at next week's APS Division of Plasma Physics meeting in Orlando consists of gas-filled tubes reminiscent of neon bulbs. The physicists presenting the design propose that an array of many small plasma elements could lead to a highly versatile antenna that could be reconfigured simply by turning on or off various elements.
- T. R. Anderson and I. Alexeff 2007 APS Division of Plasma Physics annual meeting November 12, 2007
Let's see... I bought my PS3 60gig for $349 dollars with 8 free movies. I've bought 5 additional movies at Amazon.com for an average of about $17 a piece. I have an 8 foot wide front project HDTV and the quality is astonishing, player costs have come down far faster than any other player type for both formats and everyone is still bitching about how much stuff costs. I have rented Blu-Ray movies at Blockbuster for under $5 for a better viewing experience than going to the local Cineplex by far. Even with our small family of 3 this is an immense savings. Did your poor mom have a DVD player in its first year? Adjusted for inflation it was likely much more than $600.
Now granted I had to wait for a good sale before buying my Playstation and I don't buy movies the first week they come out unless it's a BOGO offer.
I would like to see Blu-Ray win, I think the PS3 is a vastly under-rated product, but I will buy HD-DVD and enjoy it too once it is clear it has won. If I'd realized how many HD-DVD players would be available during the $98 blow out I would have gone and gotten one, I had now idea they would last all weekend plus. If you think Toshiba is making money on any players under $200 I have a bridge in Brookline. My point is that Toshiba had to lower prices to under hundred to pull off this coupe, but it doesn't mean $200-$300 units will now sell like hotcakes. When Blu-Ray is similarly behind they will unload inventory at ridiculously low prices also. There is a reason there where so many HD-A2s sitting around on the shelf and that was at $200.
The real problem here is upconverted DVD looks pretty good and some (most?) people don't know how to properly set up a good HDTV installation or think it is too complex. While HDMI has some benefits it was mostly foist on the public to prevent piracy. Add to that, that equipment doesn't even come with a HDMI cable or even component in most cases and you have all the makings of people being underwhelmed by how things look when hooking things up with the S-Video or Composite connectors. BTW, while most people think a 51" set is huge, you can't believe how much the extra resolution means when you have 120" diagonal -- in other words most sets aren't large enough to really take advantage of HDTV.
I'm not sure you can blame Sony or Toshiba for HDMI as the studios insisted on these inconvenient extra connectors to fight piracy, though HDMI does promise some interesting future capabilities like deep color and higher resolutions.
As a final note, it is odd about how everybody is crying and complaining about having two formats to choose between. Yes, we should never give the consumer a choice. Manufacturers should always decide everything for us in advance. Oddly if their were no choice to make Toshiba and Sony would both still have over $500 as the lowest price point for entry this Christmas. Am I the only who remembers $1000 DVD players?
Conservation of Mass and America's obesity problem better explain where it has disappeared to.
Supporting Fair use means BUYING from artists that distribute on un-DRM'd media -- supporting fair use is not buying a media that has been cracked and is thus pirateable. The latter will only motivate them to try to lock it up even harder. Believe me they will not learn soon if you don't support first over the second.
About 3 years ago I hooked up a friend's progressive DVD player to their HDTV. The SERVICE man from the store it was purchased from had hooked it up with a composite cable. I got them a component cable and hooked it up (that part was easy) but spent the better part of an hour getting the settings right on BOTH the TV and the DVD, which had to have both in progressive mode and inputting/outputting through the Component cable, and navigating to these settings was far from straight forward. If you didn't set the DVD correctly then whatever signal is was sending put only showed as B&W on the set. Maybe things have improved in the last 3 years, but in general things shouldn't be this obtuse. Since I am a programmer for a living I think if I have problems installing it then J6P shouldn't be expected to suffer with it. And for the record I have been homebrew HDTV since 2002 with a MyHD card so I am hardly a novice at these things.
In general things should be smart enough to just work when you plug them together, but this isn't always the case with HDTV. If J6P doesn't get an HDMI cable with his TV and HD player he likely will not know he needs one. But I see you would rather he just think HDTV is a scam.
It's because J6P is slow to adopt that the HDTV roll out has been slow. If you want HDTV you want it to be simple for J6P also.
I'm not sure I'd call Betamax a failure, though VHS did eventually overtake and beat it. No format lasts forever. Beta lasted for like 20 years. You also fail to mention CDs, 3 1/2 floppy discs, or that Sony was co-founder of the original DVD spec. Toshiba was mostly to blame for the DVD forum not agreeing on a standard with Sony.
Everybody always totes this statement out in regards to HD media, but in case you haven't noticed not everybody is hooked up to broadband, and those that are don't have uniformly high download rates. It will be a player sure, but not full high quality because bandwidth tempts you to scrimp on file size, and even those downloading these overly compressed HD files will only account for at most 10-20% of the HD market the next 3-5 years. And that assumes studios can control piracy, because if you condition people to download HD, I guarantee you will also see a rise in piracy. At least with Discs someone still has to burn or press them.
Your supposition is that there are millions of people that have been on the fence the last year and a half just waiting for this moment and will now pounce. A high percentage of these players will go to Blu-Ray owners who just want to hedge their bets and play a few must have titles they can't get on Blu-Ray.
HD enthusiasts already have players and J6P often hooks his brand new HDTV up to a progressive scan player with a composite cable. Someone needs to build these players into a good HDTV so the lay public doesn't have to get the Wires and the Settings correct.
Just a little bias in the article post: "They will continue to sell the PS3 for the time being".
1.) The PS3 is a Blu-Ray player, arguably the best, that's what I bought mine for.
2.) "Time Being" meaning to imply Kmart may drop the PS3 also? And not sell all 3 of the current generation game players? Not likely.
HD-DVD could win, but in general people are not buying quality 1080P HDTVs at Kmart, they are buying cut rate 720P stuff that doesn't look that much better with HD-DVD than upscaled DVD.
Don't get me wrong, this isn't good for Blu-Ray, but it isn't the sky falling either.
Officials are quoted as saying the miniaturized RF technology would allow manufactures to finally progress from making cell phones to making mitochondria phones.
I know it's inevitable and I want our troops protected, but its ironic how much this looks like the garb worn by the enforcer types in dozens of dystopia movies. One key to waging war is to dehumanize the enemy in the eyes or your citizens and fighting force. It will be far easier for our adversaries to paint our troops as inhuman.
So many comments about the small color range, but really this isn't a problem if the dot pitch is small enough. Printed paper only has 8 colors (16 if you include black in CMYB). Back in the day with only 4-16 colors we dithered to get a better range of colors, the look was similar to old comic books and for much the same reason. With 4096 colors to choose from dithering is very subtle and hard to notice. My 1998 laptop monitor only had 4096 colors, but dithering made it look fine. It's unclear to me whether most LCDs even today have full true 24 bit color.
I'd say getting a whole discussion thread about PS3s being ganged together to make an inexpensive supercomputer for scientific use makes this an ADVERTISING bargain for Sony despite the derogatory tone of the person submitting the story.
Only read a couple of paragraphs before ceasing to care and going on to something else.
I avoided SP2 for over 2 years because it broke my hyper-threading on my 4+ year old 3ghz P4 Dell XPS. I eventually gave in, in order to install some software my wife needed. Seems like a 50/50 chance I can re-enable hyper-threading with it.
Did anyone else notice the Bird taking a dump at the very beginning of the clip???
I have no trouble being called cheap, but prefer frugal. I guess I'm cheap to buy a PS3, but HD-DVD keeps bragging it is the cheapest. Wouldn't buying HD-DVD make me look cheap?
Since you can play movies with the untethered Bluetooth controler you already have a remote.
I don't plan on keeping the PS3 cooped up in a cabinet, but if I did it would last MUCH longer than an XBox 360 with its heat related problems.
Linux doesn't have mass market appeal yet, but being able to use it for Linux is also a plus.
I had seen PS3s in stores behind windows, but was surprised how sturdy and elegant mine seemed once I took it out of the box. The finish looks and feels like ebony. I'm very proud to have this on the AV stand, it definitely doesn't look cheap or toy-like. The only downside is the finish does show fingerprints easily, so you do have to wipe it off every so often to keep it looking nice.
As someone that just purchased a PS3 for $350 (after $150 rebate) with free shipping and 8 free movies I'm not too worried about this development. In fact I rather welcome it as HD-DVD and VDM will battle to the death for the low end and most likely neither will survive.
If worst comes to worse I still have a great game machine and a Linux computer.
I must confess one bit of annoyance with Toshiba and the HD-DVD camp; I bought my PS3 primarily as an HD movie player, but the HD-DVD camp screams day and night that only standalone players count (except when they want to include the XBox 360 addon). Blu-Ray may not win, but it certainly has the largest installed base at 6 million plus; it is much less likely to just stumble and fail completely as HD-DVD was in danger of doing until the Paramount defection (strange doings that).
It will be a delicious irony to hear HD-DVD proponents now claiming low-price is not the biggest determining factor in who wins.
For those predicting the imminent elimination/enslavement of the human race once ultra-intelligent machines become self-aware, where would the motivation for them to do so come from? I would contend it is a religious meme that drives such thoughts -- intelligence without a soul must be evil.
For those that would argue Darwinian forces lead to such imperatives; sure you could design the machines to want to destroy humanity or evolve them in ways that create such motivations, but it seems unlikely this is what we will do. Most likely we will design/evolve them to be benign and helpful. The evolutionary pressure will be to help mankind not supplant it. Unlike animals in the wild, robot evolution will not be red of tooth and claw.
An Asimovian type future might arise with robots maneuvering events behind the scenes for humanities best long term good.
I worry more about organized religious that might try to deny us all a chance at the near immortality that our machine children could offer us rather than some Terminator like scenario.
Because of the Orwellian overtones of implanted RFID chips I'd say people are more likely to give these kind of research results more credence than they deserve. Even if, as seems most likely, this research is proved to be very flawed, RFID-chips-cause-cancer (RC^3) will be a meme that lives on and will resurface many times regardless of any validity.
Humans often believe things because the want to, not because they are true.
So you would be in the it's better to possibly send an innocent man to jail than to set a dangerous precedent camp?
Instead of arguing lie-detectors are in all cases BAD, how about we acknowledge their weaknesses like any forensic tool and decide how best to use them to improve our justice system. We could also work on improving the science behind them and the protocols for their use.
In this case it is the DEFENSE offering the lie-detector evidence. Most sexual molestation/battery cases come down to he-said she-said. Lots of innocent people have been convicted under these circumstances. While lie-detectors are not perfect I think in this type of situation they are perhaps appropriate. I would not allow them for prosecution (which is what I think a lot of knee-jerk post here have assumed) and only in cases where the evidence comes down to what is being said by two people, which appears to be what the Judge has decided in this case. While lie-detectors are only about 70% accurate, that is better odds than deciding just on the demeanor of two people in court.
I can sympathize that women are outraged by the high number of men that get off scott-free with these type of charges, but that doesn't alter the fact that it really isn't fair to convict someone on nothing more than an accusation by one person without direct supporting evidence (bruises are not direct evidence). Yes direct evidence is hard to come by in these cases, they are usually executed in private without other witnesses, but I for one would rather see 10 guilty men free than send 1 innocent man to jail.
First news story on Google wire service: Agence France Presse cuts off nose. To spite face suspected.