"I thought GTA3 did return you to the garage where you last saved when you died."
GTA3 would return you to either the nearest hospital or to to the nearest police station, depending on where you bought it. Whatever mission you were on had to be restarted. Vice City was nice because it'd offer you a taxi ride back to the mission, but I always preferred to just reload.;)
"I'd still rather use a marginally flawed Mozilla browser than a fully dysfunctional Intercourse Exploiter browser"
I'd rather use what works for me instead of knee-jerk responding with biases that make me look cool on Slashdot. I use Opera, but if a future version of IE turned out to be better, I wouldn't dismiss it because I want to be some sort of/. hero.
"Isn't it counter-intuitive to imply Parallel Processing and powerful Gate-Array would give better battery life??"
Hard to say, really. If the other processors are specialized then I could see it doing better than with the equivalent general purpose CPU battery wise. Imagine the processor it'd take to do the same things a GBA does.
I'm only guessing, though. I don't know much about Gate Arrays or how they're implementing the paralell processing. I didn't RTFA.
"It seems like we're ultimately trying to make the same point, but from different angles. We both seem to agree that being ignorant of things like the deep details of securing your web browser is nothing to be ashamed of. Your issue seems to be more with using the term "ignorant" in general, while mine is with the criticism of people for that ignorance. It leads to the same point in the end, as far as I can see."
You pretty much got it. To elaborate a bit, I think the community would enjoy better success in getting people to try Mozilla if they avoided the whole "we think we're above IE users" mentality. Remember the Mac vs. PC wars?
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to understand. Like you said earlier, it's a lot to ask of Slashdot. Makes me regret being an ass before.;)
" but what surprised me is that I really don't think the post you replied to was meant in a bad way. The grandparent post said that they used IE out of habit and ignorance, and the parent post to yours said that billions of people did the same."
I don't read it that way, but it's not as clear to me that it was meant to be insulting now as it was earlier when I posted my last response. In other words, you've helped me reconsider my view a bit.
"It's still crap. Your analogy expects someone who doesn't use anything related to 3D modelling to know something about it, but this has no relation to the subject at hand."
Bullshit. People play games and watch movies made from 3D techniques. They know what polygons are. Just like IE users know what browsers are, but they don't know much past that for lack of interest. This is all moot anyway since you completely avoided the elitist part of my comment. Simply put, if I were a nice 3D artist, I would not use the word 'ignorant' to describe people that are unaware of what normal mapping is. It's not often you do hear the word ignorant in a nice way.
" The article raises a few interesting questions, such as 'how much longer until an explicitly 'gay' game comes out?"
I can't wait for the day when a new 'group' can be represented in video games on tv without making an event out of it. If I'm playing a game, and it turns out a character is gay or whatever, cool, no prob with that. As a matter of fact, that made GTA3 kind of funny. But if I'm supposed to run out and buy a game BECAUSE it's revolutionary for putting a group of people in a spotlight.. then, geez, what's the point? Am I supposed to buy this game to prove I'm not a bigot?
Eh sorry for the rant. I just have trouble imaginging that this isn't offensive to gays. In an effort to prove they're not any different from anybody else, they're made out to be uber special in some grand glorious event. It reminds me of that episode of South Park where the nurse had a fetus on her face.
"Yes, I am ignorant of the meaning of normal mapping. Your point?"
How can you possibly not know what normal mapping is? Have you been hiding under a rock? Man, I can't believe how ignorant people are. I mean, normal mapping is the best thing to happen to 3D gaming since tri-linear-mip-map interpolation, but these ignorant people wouldn't know anything about that. They just go buy their MX video cards, pop them in, and run their games with the default settings, not even realizing the benefits of what the more expensive cards that only us superior uber-geeks run. Man, they should make it so you have to have a license to use a computer.
Now, if you're about to hit reply to send me a flaming nastygram for what a jerk I am, then just stop right there, and read my post above this.
"Ignorance is not neccessarily meant to be taken as an insult. Simply not knowing something is not so bad a thing."
I'm not saying it is. However, it is the general opinion here that people that use IE are stupid. You can't honestly tell me you think that the post I replied to meant that in a nice way.
"I admit my ignorance in the realm of 3D modeling, but I'm also not insulted by this in the slightest."
You would be if I were to act elitist about it. The words themselves aren't the insult, it's how it is carried across. If I tried to use my knowledge of normal mapping to place myself as a higher being, you may not be offended that I know more than you on that topic, but you would think I'm a big asshole for trying to pass trivia off as knowledge. You'd come right back and tell me what a jerk I am. I don't know about you personally, but a lot of people would intentionally avoid learning about what normal mapping is in order to avoid becoming a jerk like me.
"I'm sure every single 3D artist out there uses a web browser, but how many web browser users are 3D artists? Your analogy is crap."
I agree. If my analogy had anything to do with 3D artists using web browsers, it would be crap.
"Why don't people just realize that once you open your web browser you should just leave it open?! Why are you even on your computer?:P"
I wish I had the grapes to tell over 100 million people how they should run their desktop with absolutely no qualification of what context they're running in.
I really think Opera's notes feature is going to take over bookmarks. If I hightlight your post here, right click, and hit 'copy to note', then a note is placed into the notes tab which is similar to bookmarks. It shows me the first line of the post, and if I click it, a small window appears showing the entire set of data I've copied to the note. If I double click on it, a window opens up to your comment on Slashdot. I've tossed bookmarks aside in favor of this. I'd rather the note be a quick summary of why I thought it was interesting, as opposed to the title of the page.
"All the recent stories concerning IE's horrible security have been demonstrably true."
Yeah, everybody's ignorant because they don't know of an obscure browser they weren't looking for because IE's doing its job satisfactorally for them. I think you're ignorant because you don't know what normal mapping is, even though all of use 3D artists out there consider that beginner's knowledge.
"Hmmm. This argument sounds so...familiar. I wonder why. Oh, well. Back to using my Macintosh."
The difference is that a significant portion of Playstation users would be able to comfortably afford to also get Nintendo's system. Apple would enjoy more success if it could find a way to do that.
Slashdot Mirror
"How long is it going to be before some big mainstream press picks these recursive stories up and starts recommending people try another web browser?"
How come you guys are just sitting on your hands hoping the media picks it up instead of pooling your money together and getting a commercial on TV?
" your time would be better spent working to prevent this prediction from coming true, if that's your preference."
I hope that's interpreted as "start programming for the good of the Community" instead of "preach to the choir on Slashdot".
"from the article is the multiplayer option... no dice?"
I don't think the PS2 would be the best system to launch a multiplayer option. That's what PCs are for.
"I thought GTA3 did return you to the garage where you last saved when you died."
;)
GTA3 would return you to either the nearest hospital or to to the nearest police station, depending on where you bought it. Whatever mission you were on had to be restarted. Vice City was nice because it'd offer you a taxi ride back to the mission, but I always preferred to just reload.
"I'd still rather use a marginally flawed Mozilla browser than a fully dysfunctional Intercourse Exploiter browser"
/. hero.
I'd rather use what works for me instead of knee-jerk responding with biases that make me look cool on Slashdot. I use Opera, but if a future version of IE turned out to be better, I wouldn't dismiss it because I want to be some sort of
"Darn. My comment IS funny if you read the parent. Unfortunately, the parent got modded into oblivion."
;)
Sorry man, wasn't funny. Too obvious.
It's gonna cost me karma, but I thought you should know for the next time you tell a joke.
"Unless I'm missing something here, the Virtual Boy was made by Nintendo."
Hold your horses, the patent hasn't cleared yet.
What, am I supposed to get mad for realizing I'm a hypocrtite. So what? Is there a better way to point out the behaviour I don't like?
:)
Nice try.
"Not to mention an unimpressive display? Backlight?"
Huh? This is a disadvantage when a new product is less than impressive, but it's an advantage when comparing Palm to PocketPC?
"Isn't it counter-intuitive to imply Parallel Processing and powerful Gate-Array would give better battery life??"
Hard to say, really. If the other processors are specialized then I could see it doing better than with the equivalent general purpose CPU battery wise. Imagine the processor it'd take to do the same things a GBA does.
I'm only guessing, though. I don't know much about Gate Arrays or how they're implementing the paralell processing. I didn't RTFA.
"I only have one thumb!"
So did you wash your hand before you free up your other thumb to post this?
"Doesn't seem to work too well with Firefox, but I could just be an idiot."
Somehow I doubt CowboyNeal would be a popular option in this poll.
"It seems like we're ultimately trying to make the same point, but from different angles. We both seem to agree that being ignorant of things like the deep details of securing your web browser is nothing to be ashamed of. Your issue seems to be more with using the term "ignorant" in general, while mine is with the criticism of people for that ignorance. It leads to the same point in the end, as far as I can see."
;)
You pretty much got it. To elaborate a bit, I think the community would enjoy better success in getting people to try Mozilla if they avoided the whole "we think we're above IE users" mentality. Remember the Mac vs. PC wars?
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to understand. Like you said earlier, it's a lot to ask of Slashdot. Makes me regret being an ass before.
" but what surprised me is that I really don't think the post you replied to was meant in a bad way. The grandparent post said that they used IE out of habit and ignorance, and the parent post to yours said that billions of people did the same."
I don't read it that way, but it's not as clear to me that it was meant to be insulting now as it was earlier when I posted my last response. In other words, you've helped me reconsider my view a bit.
"It's still crap. Your analogy expects someone who doesn't use anything related to 3D modelling to know something about it, but this has no relation to the subject at hand."
Bullshit. People play games and watch movies made from 3D techniques. They know what polygons are. Just like IE users know what browsers are, but they don't know much past that for lack of interest. This is all moot anyway since you completely avoided the elitist part of my comment. Simply put, if I were a nice 3D artist, I would not use the word 'ignorant' to describe people that are unaware of what normal mapping is. It's not often you do hear the word ignorant in a nice way.
"You mean like Gay Pride street parades?"
It's a little different when a huge group of them voluntarily gets together, but I get your point.
" The article raises a few interesting questions, such as 'how much longer until an explicitly 'gay' game comes out?"
I can't wait for the day when a new 'group' can be represented in video games on tv without making an event out of it. If I'm playing a game, and it turns out a character is gay or whatever, cool, no prob with that. As a matter of fact, that made GTA3 kind of funny. But if I'm supposed to run out and buy a game BECAUSE it's revolutionary for putting a group of people in a spotlight.. then, geez, what's the point? Am I supposed to buy this game to prove I'm not a bigot?
Eh sorry for the rant. I just have trouble imaginging that this isn't offensive to gays. In an effort to prove they're not any different from anybody else, they're made out to be uber special in some grand glorious event. It reminds me of that episode of South Park where the nurse had a fetus on her face.
"Yes, I am ignorant of the meaning of normal mapping. Your point?"
How can you possibly not know what normal mapping is? Have you been hiding under a rock? Man, I can't believe how ignorant people are. I mean, normal mapping is the best thing to happen to 3D gaming since tri-linear-mip-map interpolation, but these ignorant people wouldn't know anything about that. They just go buy their MX video cards, pop them in, and run their games with the default settings, not even realizing the benefits of what the more expensive cards that only us superior uber-geeks run. Man, they should make it so you have to have a license to use a computer.
Now, if you're about to hit reply to send me a flaming nastygram for what a jerk I am, then just stop right there, and read my post above this.
"Ignorance is not neccessarily meant to be taken as an insult. Simply not knowing something is not so bad a thing."
I'm not saying it is. However, it is the general opinion here that people that use IE are stupid. You can't honestly tell me you think that the post I replied to meant that in a nice way.
"I admit my ignorance in the realm of 3D modeling, but I'm also not insulted by this in the slightest."
You would be if I were to act elitist about it. The words themselves aren't the insult, it's how it is carried across. If I tried to use my knowledge of normal mapping to place myself as a higher being, you may not be offended that I know more than you on that topic, but you would think I'm a big asshole for trying to pass trivia off as knowledge. You'd come right back and tell me what a jerk I am. I don't know about you personally, but a lot of people would intentionally avoid learning about what normal mapping is in order to avoid becoming a jerk like me.
"I'm sure every single 3D artist out there uses a web browser, but how many web browser users are 3D artists? Your analogy is crap."
I agree. If my analogy had anything to do with 3D artists using web browsers, it would be crap.
"In my book gets 4.5 stars. But the java/javascript errors that come up constantly are a bitch and a half."
Bitch and a half.. that's 1.5 stars out of 5, right? So... yeah, Opera's a 3.5!
"Why don't people just realize that once you open your web browser you should just leave it open?! Why are you even on your computer? :P"
I wish I had the grapes to tell over 100 million people how they should run their desktop with absolutely no qualification of what context they're running in.
I really think Opera's notes feature is going to take over bookmarks. If I hightlight your post here, right click, and hit 'copy to note', then a note is placed into the notes tab which is similar to bookmarks. It shows me the first line of the post, and if I click it, a small window appears showing the entire set of data I've copied to the note. If I double click on it, a window opens up to your comment on Slashdot. I've tossed bookmarks aside in favor of this. I'd rather the note be a quick summary of why I thought it was interesting, as opposed to the title of the page.
"All the recent stories concerning IE's horrible security have been demonstrably true."
Yeah, everybody's ignorant because they don't know of an obscure browser they weren't looking for because IE's doing its job satisfactorally for them. I think you're ignorant because you don't know what normal mapping is, even though all of use 3D artists out there consider that beginner's knowledge.
"All the recent stories concerning IE's horrible security have been demonstrably true."
Who here uses IE and was bitten by one of those bugs?
"Hmmm. This argument sounds so...familiar. I wonder why. Oh, well. Back to using my Macintosh."
The difference is that a significant portion of Playstation users would be able to comfortably afford to also get Nintendo's system. Apple would enjoy more success if it could find a way to do that.
"I am sorry but I totally do not understand the anology. Maybe I am just not a big enough Star Trek fan or something."
STI didn't have the character that STII did. In simpler terms, it was missing a significant ingredient that made it charming.