"so Cochran supposedly kept the secret well enough that the Enterprise crew never found out about it before doing it. Sounds like a pretty tight loop to me."
It's not so tight. It doesn't explain the lack of any NX-01's hanging on the walls of various incarnations of the Enterprise.
A better description is that the NX-01 wasnt' originally called Enterprise. Then the Ent-E went back in time and turned Cochrane's life around. Inspired, he built the NX-01 warp-5 ship, and named it after the Enterprise. Or something like that.
"Whoa. No offense was intended there. If I came off a bit strong, it's probably my anger at B&B showing through."
No no, wasn't offended. Actually I should be the one apologizing with the 'sorry I'm not a nerd' comment.
I'm overreacting a bit. Every time there's a Slashdot story about Enterprise, somebody get's modded up to +5 for complaining about continuity. I get frustrated when I think about how somebody can have Trek's vaguely defined timeline from the original series memorized to the minutist detail, but they don't remember the events of one of Star Trek's most popular movies. They don't even notice when they get beaten over the head with the whole temporal cold war concept that was established in episode 1. I'm surprised that there isn't still an argument about why the NX-01 isn't a statue in the Enterprise-D ready room.
"You forgot the Cloaking device before the Cloaking device was invented."
Yeah, well I'm sorry that I disqualified myself from being a nerd. It doesn't matter, anyway. The Suliban brought cloaking technology into the new timeline. Any number of events could have happened for it to land in Romulan hands. And, gee whiz, they're exactly the type of race that'd fight hard to get it and use it.
"They will just do what they normally do, ignore continuity."
The whole point of the series is that the timeline was changed, thus altering the continuity. Most episodes make a reference to this, but there are still some thick people out there that keep missing that. One of ST's most popular movies touched this off, yet a gaggle of people keep missing it and whining about continuity.
I don't really care if people like Enterprise or not. But to keep running around in circles with a less-than-legitimate complaint is getting rather nauseating. Complain about the show being boring, or that the theme song irritates your stomach, but for the love of you know who, stop complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.
"One way to handle this would be to work the plot out so that Romulans are actually seen by Terrans and/or allies, but that those who see them are either a) all killed or b) that it's all hushed up (I like this latter option, as there are all kinds of cool foreshadowin things which could be done)."
Or maybe they could just say "wow, the Enterprise E sure set off an interesting change of events that dramatically altered history!"
"So how will they make this fit with the Classic Trek episode Balance of Terror, in which we learned that no human ever saw the face of a Romulan during the Romulan Wars?"
You mean besides the damage done to the time-line by not only the Enterprise E in First Contact, but the temporal cold war where a race of people have intentionally mucked with Earth's time line to get us all wiped out? Well that's a tough one, I don't see how they could wriggle out of that.
"If you buy a Ford and the radio only plays The Ford Station and you need to get a gas tank adapter to use anything but Ford Gas do you think Ford might be held responsible when someone plays a song on The Ford Station that makes Ford Gas explode?"
How come there's been over a thousand analogies comparing the physical world to what Microsoft is doing/has done and the only thing I've learned is that nobody has a healthy sense of proportion?
"They used what popped up when they clicked on a Web address somewhere on their computer, and they've used that default browser from Day fucking One."
If millions of people didn't seek alternatives, that would imply that IE does its job satisfactorally. Why risk breaking that by making it more complex? Remember, Windows/IE attracts more n00bs than Mozilla or Opera does.
"What is there to do in space? I would love to go into space but really, what the hell are you supposed to do there once you get bored with taking pictures out the tiny porthole?"
Come back to Earth, point at the nearly 6 billion people who haven't gone into space, and say "Ha ha!"
I really hate when companies ignore the realities of what they're saying when they blame piracy for their ills. Did people pirate Neo Geo games because they're scum sucking asses, or because the games cost >$200 a piece? If piracy suddenly became impossible, they would have been lucky to see a few more bucks land their way.
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"I know what I'm doing this weekend!"
We know what you won't be doing.
"so Cochran supposedly kept the secret well enough that the Enterprise crew never found out about it before doing it. Sounds like a pretty tight loop to me."
It's not so tight. It doesn't explain the lack of any NX-01's hanging on the walls of various incarnations of the Enterprise.
A better description is that the NX-01 wasnt' originally called Enterprise. Then the Ent-E went back in time and turned Cochrane's life around. Inspired, he built the NX-01 warp-5 ship, and named it after the Enterprise. Or something like that.
"Whoa. No offense was intended there. If I came off a bit strong, it's probably my anger at B&B showing through."
No no, wasn't offended. Actually I should be the one apologizing with the 'sorry I'm not a nerd' comment.
I'm overreacting a bit. Every time there's a Slashdot story about Enterprise, somebody get's modded up to +5 for complaining about continuity. I get frustrated when I think about how somebody can have Trek's vaguely defined timeline from the original series memorized to the minutist detail, but they don't remember the events of one of Star Trek's most popular movies. They don't even notice when they get beaten over the head with the whole temporal cold war concept that was established in episode 1. I'm surprised that there isn't still an argument about why the NX-01 isn't a statue in the Enterprise-D ready room.
"You forgot the Cloaking device before the Cloaking device was invented."
Yeah, well I'm sorry that I disqualified myself from being a nerd. It doesn't matter, anyway. The Suliban brought cloaking technology into the new timeline. Any number of events could have happened for it to land in Romulan hands. And, gee whiz, they're exactly the type of race that'd fight hard to get it and use it.
"They will just do what they normally do, ignore continuity."
The whole point of the series is that the timeline was changed, thus altering the continuity. Most episodes make a reference to this, but there are still some thick people out there that keep missing that. One of ST's most popular movies touched this off, yet a gaggle of people keep missing it and whining about continuity.
I don't really care if people like Enterprise or not. But to keep running around in circles with a less-than-legitimate complaint is getting rather nauseating. Complain about the show being boring, or that the theme song irritates your stomach, but for the love of you know who, stop complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.
"One way to handle this would be to work the plot out so that Romulans are actually seen by Terrans and/or allies, but that those who see them are either a) all killed or b) that it's all hushed up (I like this latter option, as there are all kinds of cool foreshadowin things which could be done)."
Or maybe they could just say "wow, the Enterprise E sure set off an interesting change of events that dramatically altered history!"
"So how will they make this fit with the Classic Trek episode Balance of Terror, in which we learned that no human ever saw the face of a Romulan during the Romulan Wars?"
You mean besides the damage done to the time-line by not only the Enterprise E in First Contact, but the temporal cold war where a race of people have intentionally mucked with Earth's time line to get us all wiped out? Well that's a tough one, I don't see how they could wriggle out of that.
"If you buy a Ford and the radio only plays The Ford Station and you need to get a gas tank adapter to use anything but Ford Gas do you think Ford might be held responsible when someone plays a song on The Ford Station that makes Ford Gas explode?"
How come there's been over a thousand analogies comparing the physical world to what Microsoft is doing/has done and the only thing I've learned is that nobody has a healthy sense of proportion?
"This is a problem that stems from an IDIOTIC approach to security that was motivated by the desire to destroy Netscape as a company."
Ironically, their idiotic approach provided a better browser.
"So, is anything actually done to promote awareness of these kinds of scams."
I think the darwinism that is taking place is handling most of the awareness.
"Yet another daring spaceproject just to make space availible for rich people who could spend their money on better things!"
Yeah! We should all focus on curing cancer!
TV's gonna suck for a while, though...
"Just thought we should get our TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) straight."
Oh STF...
My Mars GPS is measured in AUs!
"If you meet Jen Savage tell her I said "Hi!"
I said hi to her for ya. She said she hopes you leave your house one day.
"They used what popped up when they clicked on a Web address somewhere on their computer, and they've used that default browser from Day fucking One."
If millions of people didn't seek alternatives, that would imply that IE does its job satisfactorally. Why risk breaking that by making it more complex? Remember, Windows/IE attracts more n00bs than Mozilla or Opera does.
" Most Joe Sixpack users just don't know any better or are afraid to change or too lazy to change."
Or if you're really interested in a strange wild idea, maybe IE just does its job suitably.
"What is there to do in space? I would love to go into space but really, what the hell are you supposed to do there once you get bored with taking pictures out the tiny porthole?"
Come back to Earth, point at the nearly 6 billion people who haven't gone into space, and say "Ha ha!"
I really hate when companies ignore the realities of what they're saying when they blame piracy for their ills. Did people pirate Neo Geo games because they're scum sucking asses, or because the games cost >$200 a piece? If piracy suddenly became impossible, they would have been lucky to see a few more bucks land their way.
"Problems in IE get a lot of attention too, but somehow every open bug is a blotch on MS, whereas for Mozilla here, its just fine and dandy."
Yeah, they think it's such a great example of how quick the community moves. For MS, it's never about how cool Automatic Update is.
" Many companies are annoyed by the patent on something they thought was an open standard, and RFID tag adoption is hindered." ... and evolved.
"You know, I think we've all heard rumours of an intel conspiracy to make us buy the same product again and again for years now..."
You'd think they'd be able to stay on top of AMD if that were the case.
"Not to be too trollish, but if you are building a bridge to hold 10 tons and it ends up holding 100 tons, you are wasting resources."
As if your mama reads those signs before she crosses.
"It may be slightly inconvenient, but at least the Mozilla extension system isn't a blank check to hackers like IE's ActiveX system."
What's it doing different that makes it not a 'blank check'?
"If you have done nothing wrong, why not keep a
record of what you have done?"
Tapes are expensive and bulky. Tape machines are expensive and bulky. People to run these machines are expensive... and bulky.
"What's the point?!?!?!"
Said the guy registerring his disgust throughout the internet.