"These chip make futiliity. Why make processors of like these new when you can improve on 64 bit? The battle is to will be lost to Athlon without 64 bit competition by."
BTW, no I wasn't. Go reread my initial post, it was about the people/industry's response to it. It was not about Microsoft.
"You have lots of posts in your history where you defend MS."
Don't confuse being critical of the Slashdot Community with being pro-MS. If you really understood the point of a lot of posts I've made, you'd realize that. However, since you are stuck on a false presumption, there's not a whole lot I could do to set you straight. Sorry. Find me when you are receptive about anything.
Well I don't have personal experience to share with you, but I haven't really gone down that route. I can tell you that Windows 2000 (and I think XP...) has an Accessbility tab under the control panel where you can activate a tool called Narrorator. It reads pages and dialog boxes for you. I don't want to push too hard on this, though, because in the few minutes I used it, it was confusing as heck to listen to.
That's the best I can offer at the moment. I can tell you that I did work with a blind person before. He was able to be rather productive in a technical support enviornment. So I'd say there's a good shot there is something useful you can find. I do worry, though, that if she's afraid of computers, she'll find this a little too daunting.
Pardon my ignorance, but why was I modded off-topic for pointing out that wi-fi devices are getting down into a really low price? Did I misread the article or something?
"As I pointed out, the ORIGINAL post your replied to had nothing to do with..."
Let's look at what he said:
"While I'm not certain that I completely trust Microsoft on this, it might make sense to have the antivirus scanner as a part of the OS."
Topic: MS could put a scanner witht he OS. Response: MS cannot do that without consequences.
Conclusion: My response had something to do with what he said. Focusing on 'technical' is completely irrelevent. My response to his topic was equally as appropriate as your response to mine.
"...to do with your pro-Microsoft rant."
For me to write a pro-Microsoft rant, I have to say something nice about Microsoft.
"The ORIGINAL post was about legitimate technological issues"
Actually his original post was that MS should consider including the scanner with the OS, the technical details were to justify why they'd be able to compete with other virus scanners out there. It's also worth mentioning that I said the technical part of his post would work.
Boy you're trying awfully hard to prove something that isn't true. Must be a democrat.;)
Wow... Wish we'd get that where I live. Just last night I was over at Best Buy's site. They have a $300 Sony Clie that has built in 802.11. Boy I was tempted. If I were in Spokane right now, I'd have one of those in my pocket right now.
Eh... well you have to consider that I referred to a moment in American history that is a bit touchy. I really kind of wish I hadn't posted it. I don't think I took it as seriously as a lot of people did. That was a bit inconsiderate of me.
Yep, you're right, I got a little confused there. Sorry about that. Interesting note, though, the notes feature works in Opera's mail tab as well. So if a particular email is important to me, I can copy to note and have a nice little bookmark for it. Slick.
"Opera has an e-mail client, it's unfortunate that it's so garbage, though."
Opera's mail client is pretty crappy, no argument there. I did find a good use for what it does do, though. I created a seperate mail account for my forums messages (I.e. Slashdot, or CGTalk, or anywhere else I visit...) and I set Opera's mail to get the messages from that account. I then used Opera's filters system to seperate Slashdot from CGTalk from everything else I use, and I can see at a glance what types of messages I have.
Why is this better than say using Outlook's rules filters or something? Simple: There is only one copy of the message. The problem with using rules is that sometimes emails fall into more than one category. I only need to delete it once instead of in every instance of it. Also, since Opera's mail operates in a tab, all of Opera's features (like notes or 'open in background') work.
I wish I could remember why I didn't like Opera's mail for casual conversations etc. I had a good reason for it, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Guess I should try it again and find out.
One man's +1, Funny is another man's -1, GRR_Thanks_For_Reminding_Me.
I reinstalled FrontPage once and lost all my 'Personalized Menus'. I about had a panic attack when I couldn't find the 'remove formatting' button. Thank you, Microsoft!
If you use Opera for a bit, you'll find lots of neat little UI additions that would suit FireFox well. In particular, the notes tab. That's pretty slick. I can highlight your post, right click, and say "copy to note". Then, in the notes tab, I'll see the first sentence of your post. If I single click it, the entire section I copy/pasted will appear. If I double click it, it'll show me the page it came from. I've been using that for cell phone hunting. It's a LOT easier than trying to come up with good names bookmarks.
I've used Word 2000 for quite a while now. I really don't like it a whole lot. I really cannot think of anything that Word excels at. I guess having the red and green squiggly lines is useful for letting you know something's up. But.. man, that's all I can think of. For me, auto-correction was eating up more productivity than it was adding. Don't even THINK about trying to do any form of layout. Forget it. Get Publisher or PageMaker or something. Man, it's like trying to assemble a house using a deck of cards. One wrong move and BLAMMO. Start over and do it RIGHT this time. I guess my real issue with Word is that using it is like driving through a parking lot loaded with speed bumps. Vroooom..screech...vroooooooom...screeech.
Wanna know what's sad? I've actually gotten into Office. I've scratched fairly deep into Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Frontpage etc. I'm exactly the right type of person to make good use of it... and well I can't. If that doesn't give you a good idea of what a piece of crap Word is for anything but the most basic of functions, then I don't know what would.
"But that is just more evidence that you're a shill."
Nope, it's not. My comment was not pro-Microsoft in any way, shape, or form.
"You were not replying to his post because his post did not contain anything relating to why your response was."
Untrue. He said it should be included with the OS. I explained what would happen if they did.
"You cruise/. looking for posts that are less than flattering about Microsoft and then you launch into your rant about those bad people who hate Microsoft."
Nope.
"To YOU that might sound like rational behaviour."
Rational... like trying too hard to prove I'm a shill even though the evidence doesn't exist? Please. Heh.
"I'm having a little trouble finding "evil" in there."
You're right. I was confused about which part of the thread we were discussing. Sorry about that.
"So, it does seem that you went into your rant WITHOUT any cause."
Wrong. My response to the comment you pointed out was quite fair. When I finally got down to my 'shake my pitchfork' comment, you had already called me an MS Apologist.
Your strategy of finding something to pin this on me with hasn't been fruitful yet. Keep trying, it's quite entertaining.;)
"Why do you care so much about MS and their products that you feel the need to inject yourself into a conversation on their behalf?... That's a serious question. See if you can answer it, if not for me then for yourself."
I did answer it. Here's the summary: I wasn't defending MS, I was correcting what I believed to be an error.
"Do you routienly correct everybody who says something bad about any product from any corporation?"
Nope.
"If not why this time?"
Because I had info to share, and a little bit of time to share it.
"Why MS?"
So are you being willfully dense now? I've answered this like 3 times now. I've never ever defended MS as a corporation. In this particular case, I wasn't even defending a product or service of theirs. Why do I have the feeling you're just going to say "That's not an answer, why are you really doing it?"
Heh.
"That's a serious question. See if you can answer it, if not for me then for yourself."
"Once again a quick reading of your posting history makes it crystal clear that you are a MS shill."
Nope. I've roasted them a few times. You obviously haven't put any energy into finding that out. Nice try, though.;)
"You are defending a corporation."
Nope.
" I don't understand why anybody would take even 10 seconds out of their lives to defend a sleazy unethical ccrporation like MS."
Haven't defended them. I have brought up opposing view points on particular things they've done, but I've never ever said they themselves were good/ethical/honest/etc.
"Why do you think they also need your help?"
Never said they did. Not helping them. Correcting somebody != supporting anybody in particular.
"What do you get out of it?"
Well, sometimes I get the joy of attracting morons into pointless debates. I always have a good chuckle at the peeps that waste their time calling me name. They try to get to me but it doesn't work, so they keep trying and trying and trying. In the end, I'm still going about my business, and they're banging their fists on their desk. Amusing stuff.;)
"That would be the only reason I can think of for somebody to defend bastards like MS."
Yeah well I wouldn't expect an uninformed person to be able to think of a whole lot of reasons for anything. I wouldn't expect much more than for a person like that to call people that disagree with them names and try to say they have a financial interest in having a particular view. No no.. they just goooo with the floooow. Afterall, you have a bunch of instant friends if you hate MS. It's like a cult or something.
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"These chip make futiliity. Why make processors of like these new when you can improve on 64 bit? The battle is to will be lost to Athlon without 64 bit competition by."
Are you running 64-bit apps I'm not aware of?
"BTW you were indeed defending MS."
BTW, no I wasn't. Go reread my initial post, it was about the people/industry's response to it. It was not about Microsoft.
"You have lots of posts in your history where you defend MS."
Don't confuse being critical of the Slashdot Community with being pro-MS. If you really understood the point of a lot of posts I've made, you'd realize that. However, since you are stuck on a false presumption, there's not a whole lot I could do to set you straight. Sorry. Find me when you are receptive about anything.
Well I don't have personal experience to share with you, but I haven't really gone down that route. I can tell you that Windows 2000 (and I think XP...) has an Accessbility tab under the control panel where you can activate a tool called Narrorator. It reads pages and dialog boxes for you. I don't want to push too hard on this, though, because in the few minutes I used it, it was confusing as heck to listen to.
That's the best I can offer at the moment. I can tell you that I did work with a blind person before. He was able to be rather productive in a technical support enviornment. So I'd say there's a good shot there is something useful you can find. I do worry, though, that if she's afraid of computers, she'll find this a little too daunting.
Good luck, man.
You know, it's too bad we're not friends. We could have some really amusing debates. Heh.
The error was that MS wouldn't be allowed to do it.
"I live in Pullman :-) Spok-vegas is only ~70 miles away."
Better get out that Pringle's can!
Pardon my ignorance, but why was I modded off-topic for pointing out that wi-fi devices are getting down into a really low price? Did I misread the article or something?
"As I pointed out, the ORIGINAL post your replied to had nothing to do with..."
;)
Let's look at what he said:
"While I'm not certain that I completely trust Microsoft on this, it might make sense to have the antivirus scanner as a part of the OS."
Topic: MS could put a scanner witht he OS.
Response: MS cannot do that without consequences.
Conclusion: My response had something to do with what he said. Focusing on 'technical' is completely irrelevent. My response to his topic was equally as appropriate as your response to mine.
"...to do with your pro-Microsoft rant."
For me to write a pro-Microsoft rant, I have to say something nice about Microsoft.
"The ORIGINAL post was about legitimate technological issues"
Actually his original post was that MS should consider including the scanner with the OS, the technical details were to justify why they'd be able to compete with other virus scanners out there. It's also worth mentioning that I said the technical part of his post would work.
Boy you're trying awfully hard to prove something that isn't true. Must be a democrat.
Wow... Wish we'd get that where I live. Just last night I was over at Best Buy's site. They have a $300 Sony Clie that has built in 802.11. Boy I was tempted. If I were in Spokane right now, I'd have one of those in my pocket right now.
"Depending on where you live, it might be nearly impossible to go places without a car."
:)
You have public transportation.
Nar I get your point. Thing is, I'd be more alarmed if we were talking RF implants or something.
"Someone tell me why this is flamebait?"
Eh... well you have to consider that I referred to a moment in American history that is a bit touchy. I really kind of wish I hadn't posted it. I don't think I took it as seriously as a lot of people did. That was a bit inconsiderate of me.
"Except Thunderbird is an EMAIL CLIENT!"
Yep, you're right, I got a little confused there. Sorry about that. Interesting note, though, the notes feature works in Opera's mail tab as well. So if a particular email is important to me, I can copy to note and have a nice little bookmark for it. Slick.
"Opera has an e-mail client, it's unfortunate that it's so garbage, though."
Opera's mail client is pretty crappy, no argument there. I did find a good use for what it does do, though. I created a seperate mail account for my forums messages (I.e. Slashdot, or CGTalk, or anywhere else I visit...) and I set Opera's mail to get the messages from that account. I then used Opera's filters system to seperate Slashdot from CGTalk from everything else I use, and I can see at a glance what types of messages I have.
Why is this better than say using Outlook's rules filters or something? Simple: There is only one copy of the message. The problem with using rules is that sometimes emails fall into more than one category. I only need to delete it once instead of in every instance of it. Also, since Opera's mail operates in a tab, all of Opera's features (like notes or 'open in background') work.
I wish I could remember why I didn't like Opera's mail for casual conversations etc. I had a good reason for it, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Guess I should try it again and find out.
... freedom source!
One man's +1, Funny is another man's -1, GRR_Thanks_For_Reminding_Me.
I reinstalled FrontPage once and lost all my 'Personalized Menus'. I about had a panic attack when I couldn't find the 'remove formatting' button. Thank you, Microsoft!
"What more could you ask?"
If you use Opera for a bit, you'll find lots of neat little UI additions that would suit FireFox well. In particular, the notes tab. That's pretty slick. I can highlight your post, right click, and say "copy to note". Then, in the notes tab, I'll see the first sentence of your post. If I single click it, the entire section I copy/pasted will appear. If I double click it, it'll show me the page it came from. I've been using that for cell phone hunting. It's a LOT easier than trying to come up with good names bookmarks.
I've used Word 2000 for quite a while now. I really don't like it a whole lot. I really cannot think of anything that Word excels at. I guess having the red and green squiggly lines is useful for letting you know something's up. But.. man, that's all I can think of. For me, auto-correction was eating up more productivity than it was adding. Don't even THINK about trying to do any form of layout. Forget it. Get Publisher or PageMaker or something. Man, it's like trying to assemble a house using a deck of cards. One wrong move and BLAMMO. Start over and do it RIGHT this time. I guess my real issue with Word is that using it is like driving through a parking lot loaded with speed bumps. Vroooom..screech...vroooooooom...screeech.
Wanna know what's sad? I've actually gotten into Office. I've scratched fairly deep into Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Frontpage etc. I'm exactly the right type of person to make good use of it... and well I can't. If that doesn't give you a good idea of what a piece of crap Word is for anything but the most basic of functions, then I don't know what would.
"But that is just more evidence that you're a shill."
/. looking for posts that are less than flattering about Microsoft and then you launch into your rant about those bad people who hate Microsoft."
:)
Nope, it's not. My comment was not pro-Microsoft in any way, shape, or form.
"You were not replying to his post because his post did not contain anything relating to why your response was."
Untrue. He said it should be included with the OS. I explained what would happen if they did.
"You cruise
Nope.
"To YOU that might sound like rational behaviour."
Rational... like trying too hard to prove I'm a shill even though the evidence doesn't exist? Please. Heh.
Nice try.
"..and you responded with your rant."
I made a valid point.
"You did not address any of the technical points he made. You just went into rant mode."
Didn't need to address his technical points, the response of the rest of the industry was a bigger problem.
"Just like all the other apologists out there."
"But wait! You just went off on a rant!! You didn't address the technical point that my point was valid!!"
Heh. Your debate format needs a little work.
"God forbid any of us be off the grid for more than a microsecond."
Lighten up, man. It's the digital equivalent of a helmet cam, not some indication that people are hopelessly addicted to the net.
Anybody remember the days when news like this was supposed to be fun and exciting instead of everybody turning minimalist?
"I'm having a little trouble finding "evil" in there."
;)
You're right. I was confused about which part of the thread we were discussing. Sorry about that.
"So, it does seem that you went into your rant WITHOUT any cause."
Wrong. My response to the comment you pointed out was quite fair. When I finally got down to my 'shake my pitchfork' comment, you had already called me an MS Apologist.
Your strategy of finding something to pin this on me with hasn't been fruitful yet. Keep trying, it's quite entertaining.
"It sounds like not even you know why you did it."
;)
Hmm.. let's see...
""Here's the summary: I wasn't defending MS, I was correcting what I believed to be an error."
Now that's pretty embarrasing. Nice try.
"Again, what is your basis for believing that someone is basing his opinion on what is "cool" as opposed to established facts is.........?"
Heh. You mean besides his saying he hates the entire company because its evil? Nice try, man. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one.
"Why do you care so much about MS and their products that you feel the need to inject yourself into a conversation on their behalf? ... That's a serious question. See if you can answer it, if not for me then for yourself."
:)
I did answer it. Here's the summary: I wasn't defending MS, I was correcting what I believed to be an error.
"Do you routienly correct everybody who says something bad about any product from any corporation?"
Nope.
"If not why this time?"
Because I had info to share, and a little bit of time to share it.
"Why MS?"
So are you being willfully dense now? I've answered this like 3 times now. I've never ever defended MS as a corporation. In this particular case, I wasn't even defending a product or service of theirs. Why do I have the feeling you're just going to say "That's not an answer, why are you really doing it?"
Heh.
"That's a serious question. See if you can answer it, if not for me then for yourself."
Nice try.
"Damn those open source developers. How DARE they not give you a 100% functional equvalent of a 700 dollar program for free."
So... we should be understanding because equivalent doesn't need to that equivalent if it's free?
Yeah, real insightful.
"Check out his posting history."
My posting history should say "he makes smart ass remarks" more heavily than "he is in love with every single thing Microsoft does".
"Once again a quick reading of your posting history makes it crystal clear that you are a MS shill."
;)
;)
:)
Nope. I've roasted them a few times. You obviously haven't put any energy into finding that out. Nice try, though.
"You are defending a corporation."
Nope.
" I don't understand why anybody would take even 10 seconds out of their lives to defend a sleazy unethical ccrporation like MS."
Haven't defended them. I have brought up opposing view points on particular things they've done, but I've never ever said they themselves were good/ethical/honest/etc.
"Why do you think they also need your help?"
Never said they did. Not helping them. Correcting somebody != supporting anybody in particular.
"What do you get out of it?"
Well, sometimes I get the joy of attracting morons into pointless debates. I always have a good chuckle at the peeps that waste their time calling me name. They try to get to me but it doesn't work, so they keep trying and trying and trying. In the end, I'm still going about my business, and they're banging their fists on their desk. Amusing stuff.
"That would be the only reason I can think of for somebody to defend bastards like MS."
Yeah well I wouldn't expect an uninformed person to be able to think of a whole lot of reasons for anything. I wouldn't expect much more than for a person like that to call people that disagree with them names and try to say they have a financial interest in having a particular view. No no.. they just goooo with the floooow. Afterall, you have a bunch of instant friends if you hate MS. It's like a cult or something.
Have a good night.