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Less is More: Thunderbird 0.7 Review
comforteagle writes "In part two of our look at Mozilla's less is more approach to thunderbird and firebird, Gareth Russell has finished the examination with a look at the newly released Thunderbird 0.7. Part one dealt with firefox and was discussed here on slashdot as well."
I had to go back to 0.6 because of several crippling bugs. 0.7 stopped checking for mail in many of my IMAP folders so I went a whole day thinking I had no mail. :( It also has an annoying habit of not displaying the message body in random messages forcing you to go out to SquirrelMail to view them. 0.6 works perfectly for me though!
I thought Ford Motor Co. was making them change the name to "ThunderFox."
taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
I love the new version - the interface seems 'clearner almost'. Also I like the extensions option in the menu that will bring up a page full of extensions that you can download. I did have one crash with it though. I had 2 windows open, and mulitple tabs in each window. All of a sudden it just puked on me .... oh well - it still kicks ass.
Thunderbirds are go?
Just look at the background image in the extensions menu ;)
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I've been using both Firefox (since 0.7) and Thunderbird (since 0.4) for a while now, and I've recently upgraded. I seem to have hit a bit of a bug with having too many FireFox extensions installed, but beyond that slight problem, FireFox and Thunderbird seem to be going from strength to strength these days.
Anyone who is still on OE or IE should seriously consider a switch, because they include things which you should really have by default in your software. Firefox has tabbed browsing and integrated popup blocking, and Thunderbird has built in encryption, supports PGP extensions, and has integrated "smart" spam filtering.
What more could you ask?
Oh *that* would be a dream! ;)
I been looking through the online mozilla.org trying to determine if it supports css 1.0 or 2.0 or xhtml. I can't find a listing of what the browser supports or is trying to support.
Does it still support png? (I'd assume yes).
WHere is this information or do I have to search throught Geko to find it.
I was trying to get a setup going with T-bird under Windows checking multiple IMAP servers at once and it was having a very hard time doing it. I could never get it work well at all. Does anyone know if the newer versions of T-bird have fixed that problem?
Come play Heroes of Might and Magic Mini online.
Firefox 0.9 blew up all of my extensions (and my calendar!), I'm not going to rush to get Thunderbird 0.7 .....
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein
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by Gareth Russell
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 is the new lightweight email and newsgroup client from the Mozilla Foundation; it's a new take on the email client and has been built almost from the ground up, with the proven Gecko rendering engine. As with Mozilla Firefox its main aim is to try and satisfy the average user's requirements, with a minimum amount of fuss. Email clients over the years have tended to suffer from "feature creep" and "bloat", Thunderbird removes the clutter such as Intstant Messaging integration which you may never use. Thunderbird has all of the basic features you'd expect to find in any email client, with IMAP and Pop3 support, email filters and the ability to manage multiple accounts. Thunderbird also contains many other non-standard features such as built in junk mail filtering, S/MIME, digital signing, message encryption, spell checking and a flexible user interface. On top of this, Thunderbird is possibly the most extendible browser available with its excellent extension system, allowing you to create an email client that suits you.
Thunderbird 0.7's changes, include: a smaller download size for Windows, speed improvements in Windows, Linux and Mac OS X, new themes and extensions managers, as well as a talkback program for the unlikely event that Thunderbird crashes. A number of bugs have been squashed for the release, helping to iron out any rough edges which existed in the previous editions. The most important change in 0.7 is the overhaul of the extension system with new extensions controls allowing for easier management of extensions and which, now make it possible to update your extensions to the latest versions without having to go and manually download them.
The Interface
As with Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird features a stripped down interface, which is more thought out than previous editions of Mozilla Messenger. The default graphical interface features a three-pane setup much like Microsoft Outlook Express or the original Mozilla Messenger. On top of this; however, Thunderbird provides three other default settings including an interesting three pane vertical arrangement, which manages to use more of the display area to display your emails than the standard setting. Most importantly though, Thunderbird does not try to restrain you by its interface and its easy to customise the layout by adding new buttons to the toolbars or to add new window panes for content to get it exactly how you want it.
Junk Mail
One of the most attractive features of Thunderbird is the advanced Junk Mail filters included my default in Mozilla Thunderbird. The Junk Mail is adaptive by using a system of Bayesian filtering, this learns what is junk mail and what is not by you indicating to Thunderbird whether it is or is not junk. Junk can be defined by simply checking a junk mail icon next to the subject of the email. When a similar email appears in your inbox, Thunderbird will indicate that it believes the message is junk with the option to correct it if it is wrong. It's surprising how short a period of time it takes, before Thunderbird catches all of your junk mail with no mistakes. It only took a couple of days, before my inbox was junk mail free, with only a couple of false positives. Thunderbird can also be told to move the junk immediately to a temporary folder or to delete it straight off. This really sets it apart from programs such as Outlook Express which don't have built in junk mail controls, as you'll no longer to be forced to wade through a load of junk mail just to read you emails. No more time wasted moving all those offensive pornography emails which you receive to your work email address, no more time wasted deleting those university diploma emails and in particular no more being caught out by those emails with the viruses attached. Thunderbird really is revolutionary as an email client, when it comes to dealing with junk mail.
Security
Thunderbird includes S/MINE email support, which is a
ThunderCougarFalconBird...
The futuristic (no pun intended) car inlaid with the beaks of 1000 eagles!
the name Thunderbird so people don't confuse it with this 70s show?
I downloaded it twice on two different days for the Mac. It mounts the dmg file fine, but won't launch. In the console for OSX, you see complaints about the executable being corrupt or truncated, then just dies out. Happens on two seperate machines too. Nightly builds don't do it either :\
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
this is all good and i certainly use firefox at home, but while there will be many posts praising tabbed browsing, extensions, etc, sadly, i think we'll be preaching to the choir more than anything else. most p eople who even know firefox exists probably have tried it and like it, the other 95% will still be on ie. maybe i'm pessimistic, but i just don't see a massive migration happening just through word of mouth.
Is that the stupid address autocollect feature would lowercase everything before checking if the cotact exists.
I'm tired of having multiple:
Fred.Mertz@Lucy.Com
Fred.Mertz@lucy.com
fred.mertz@lucy.com
etc...
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
If you're going to promote your own site on slashdot, please spend a few bucks to get some real bandwidth first.
The slashdot effect actually pretty funny when it's some guy's personal site getting unexpectedly whomped, like "American's Funniest Home Videos" for nerds.
But if you're going to do it to yourself, you just look stupid. Especially when you're "osdir", and you're supposed to know something about operating systems. Why precisely should I care about your opinion of Thunderbird when you can't even keep your own site operational against a slashdot effect that you knew was coming?
It looks like the new versions of Firefox and Thunderbird have an extension manager that makes them incompatible with some of the older extensions. So if you use a lot of extensions, make sure they are available for the new versions before switching.
is that the icon on Mac OS X looks like an envelope with a bad toupe. If that is supposed to be a bird, please make it look like a bird and not a very bad comb over.
I have two IMAP accounts running and it works great
separate out compose and add much needed functionality so that it can do everything frontpage can do.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Hi, I'm Fred Mertz, please stop emailing me. You've already killed lucy.com, and charliebrown.com is mad, there isnt anyone there to pull the football out from infront of the webserver. Thank you.
Fred.mertz@lucy.com
Is there an option to hide local folders yet? I would reccommend Thunderbird to unsophisticated users except that I don't want to explain what these are for (which is nothing for most users - most email users use pop, not imap).
I imagine Ricky is getting more fed up with it than you are. Someone has some 'splaining to do.
taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
...about the official Mozilla project's continued split focus between Firefox/Thunderbird and the full Seamonkey suite, which is now apparently going to continue even after the standalones reach 1.0.
Mozilla's crucial mistake early on was deciding it needed to be a platform. If this had just meant developing a cross-platform gui and tools, or just developing a whole application suite, it might not have been a problem. But they decided to do both. It cost them, and it continues to cost them.
IBM's Eclipse project is a good example of how to do a platform. Start small with one app: in Eclipse's case, an IDE. Then build the rest of the stuff around the skeleton: IBM's new Workplace package is basically built from Eclipse plugins.
But continuing to devote resources to Seamonkey is just a bad idea. Not only is it a distraction from making the small, focused apps better; but keeping around Mozilla as an Emacs-style do-everything suite does IMHO damage to the brand name. I for one have nothing but bad memories of Netscape, because of the ungodly bloat of Communicator. Any project that continues to officially perpetuate that mistake loses respect in my mind, and I would guess in many others' as well.
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Oh and, before anyone fusses, I've grabbed source and looked into making the change myself, but frankly I couldn't even figure out how to even build the darn thing.
The build is not exactly staightforward, IMO.
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
They have similar functionality
man, this guy's inbox will be filled three times faster :)
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Seriously, it's written all over the Firefox and Thunderbird pages that these are prerelease versions (in case the 0.* version numbers didn't clue you in). You shouldn't expect them to keep your data clean on upgrades.
Part of the development process is settling in on a format you want to use to store data in, and this format changes regularly in the approach to a 1.0 release. It would be far too much effort for them to support formats that they don't consider to be final. After 1.0 hits they will have to maintain compatiblity.
Long story short, if you are looking for something to handle your data well, use an already stable app. Then, if you want Mozilla apps, switch to them once they release 1.0.
It's your fault you lost data, not theirs.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
I was cleaning some malware off someones computer and I informed them most of the stuff they get is because of vulnerabilities in IE (they swear they never click Yes). So I installed firefox for them and told them some pages might not work in firefox because IE is so popular. That explanation was fine for them and i'm sure they'll tell some non-techie friends about firefox. While word of mouth isn't the fastest way to deciminate information it is the most compeling. Whats going to make you use a product more, a recommendation from a friend or some advertisement or post on a message board? Although Firefox won't stop all malware if IE is synanamous with spyware, adware & popups and Firefox is portrayed as the safe alternative, tabbeb browsing & fancy extensions aside firefox will slowly gain huge ground.
NVU is a stand-alone composer, based on Mozilla.
Thank you for being the first "mirror-er" I've seen to post AC. I know they have to have been others that have gone the AC route, but the preponderence of karma ho's drives me freakin crazy.
Less is Less, More is More.
Provide more features, but make them easy to use, with useful defaulted options. Sukka.
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It still has the problem where it complains, with a popup dialog box, that a folder cannot contain mail when you click on a folder than cannot contain mail.
This is all well and good, but when you have it set to check all your folders for mail and this message pops up several hundred times every 5 minutes it gets very old, very fast.
They need a way to toggle this warning on and off.
Thunderbird 1 was always my favorite. Official Site
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One man's +1, Funny is another man's -1, GRR_Thanks_For_Reminding_Me.
I reinstalled FrontPage once and lost all my 'Personalized Menus'. I about had a panic attack when I couldn't find the 'remove formatting' button. Thank you, Microsoft!
"Derp de derp."
Now if only YahooPOPs could update their project to be compatible with Yahoo Mail I would be using Thunderbird again.
I just recently rebuilt my g/f's computer, removing IE, MSN, etc, and installing OO.o, Firefox, and the like. (Thank you the open cd ) She liked how fast her computer was now that the spyware was gone, but she could NOT stand how Firefox rendered the fonts on the Yahoo Mail page "incorrectly" (dear God! What will I do now!). Thankfully I ran across this nifty little project on source forge called Yahoo Pops which acts as a SMTP/POP3 server on localhost and bridges the gap between your favoriate email client and the Yahoo Webmail service. That evening I VNC'd into her computer, installed YahooPOPs and Thunderbird 0.6 and hooked her up with a cute theme with a rotating penguin in the top right (She's all about some Tux racer). I showed her how to use it and she loved it. No more ads, no more waiting for the web pages to load, spell checking, the whole 9!
But just when I thought I had sold her on the wonderfullness that is Open Source (I'm on my way to getting her to suse) Yahoo decided they are going to try to compete with G-Mail and offer 100MB to their free customers, as well as a few other minor "improvements". To make a long story short the upgrade broke YahooPOPs and thus Thunderbird. We were both very disapointed.
Now she found a way to open IE by typing "iexplore" on the run line and is using Yahoo Mail again. Its going to be hard to get her to try open source again, but for some reason she cant keep off Tux Racer. (PS: Go neverball!).
Any advice on ways to keep her using Thunderbird? Its really a great product and if my company wasnt tied religiously to MS Outbreak I would be putting it on every desktop in the place.
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dont you mean thunderfox and firewhale?
1. Integration with GnuPG and/or PGP. Yes I know of engimail, I think it's essential enough it should be built-in.
:)
.mbox, maildirs, Outlook PST, Outlook Express directories, Eudora, MacOS Mail.app, etc...
2. Integration with Jabber. IM + Email would be cool. I like how Windows Messenger does this, but with Thunderbird it would actually be secure
3. Better LDAP integration. Current LDAP implementation is kludgy, I wish they would make it smoother.
4. Fix the calendar app. It's nice, but could be a whole lot nicer. The original Netscape calendar app wasn't bad, I much prefer it over Outlook.
5. Import/Export filters. There are third party filters already, it would be nice if they were built in. Import
6. How about a text mode interface for uberhackers? It could be really lightweight, just ctrl- to go back and forth, ctrl-r to reply, etc...
That's it. It shouldn't add too much bloat, the basic Jabber protocol is small and GnuPG integration should be cake. Any other ideas?
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Hello, my name is Toccoa and I am a tab-aholoic. I greatly prefer the way groups of tabs are done in Mozilla; or at least based upon my current understanding of 0.9.
E.g. with a group of tabs on the tab bar
Mozilla: click on tab, all tabs open & start loading
Firefox: you get dropdown; for maximum hassle, the choice I want(Open in tabs) is always at bottom. Nor have I found way to set "add tabs" versus "replace tabs" preference.
If Mozilla did not exist, I would use Firefox. But for now, tabs mean I prefer Mozilla.
For $20 a year, Yahoo! Mail will let you use POP access from Yahoo! itself. Programs like YahooPOPs are essentially screen scrapers. The slightest change to page layout will break your software completely.
I know it runs contrary to everything the Open Source movement stands for, but it might be worth paying real money for a real service.
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-1, Flamebait? More like +5, Insightful.
According to this forum message that was just a temporary problem while they were upgrading, and it should now work again with YahooPOPs.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I've got vomity butterflies from laughing so hard.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I know it's really not worth mentioning, but I'm feeling like pointing out someone's fault today -- I think he was referring to the "I Love Lucy Show" with the reference to "Fred.Mertz@Lucy.com" as Fred was one of Lucy's close friend's in the show, as opposed to Lucy who is Charlie Brown's friend.
I apologize for posting this, but I couldn't help myself.
You're clearly better than us, what with your preachy signature and your goldplated nickname.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
My only objection to paying for yahoo pop access is that they gave it to us for free for so long. It's like drug dealers, first try's for free. Once you're hooked on it, we're changing the plan and making you pay. Sorry, yahoo. I'll just use another service.
try middle clicking :)
... there is also a whole big firefox extension you can download that gives much more complex tabbed browsing functionality
about:config probably has the replace/add tabs preference
...I switched everyone at my work over to TBird from Outlook2k. Everyone likes it much better than Outlook. They all especially like the speed of mail download (something was going on with Outlook where it would sometimes take up to an hour to download mail from the POP server - especially on a Monday where the mail had stacked up all weekend). Very annoying when you're trying to get your day going. TBird grabs it all in a minute or two.
One thing everyone especially likes is the multiple mail account handling. Having separate folders for each account is very cool and makes organizing messages very intuitive. The only thing we're missing is Outlooks ability to insert multiple 'signatures'. Anyone know if this is currently possible in TBird? Having blocks of pre-typed text ready to go at the click of your mouse is a real time-saver. One kludge we came up with is to keep a message in the Drafts folder that contains the needed text but that's a rather clumsy solution.
We are a small company so this changeover is pretty insignificant in the overall scheme of things but... it's a start. With the warm reception TBird received from my users at work (they really were getting sick of Outlook), I figure they'll go install it on their home computers. Their wives and kids will see it and begin to use it. They'll tell their friends, etc., etc... Word of mouth is a GoodThing(TM).
Personally, I've been using TBird since it was first released and have never had any problems with it. Maybe I'm just lucky but it's been rock-solid for me. I currently use TBird on WinNT4 at work and on my laptop, which runs Mandrake 9.2. My wife, (who is not in the least computer literate), has no trouble at all with TBird on her Win98 box. This open source app is ready for mass use!
"Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing - and it was everything that I thought it could be."
Try manually logging into yahoomail.com with your web browser.
:)
Since Yahoo upgraded all their accounts, there is now an "okay" screen you must click to acknowledge the upgrade. Once you click that, you'll never see it again, then YahooPOPs will work fine.
One thing I wish is that the spam detection would detect illegal tags and flag messages with too many of them as spam. Anything inside angle brackets isn't shown to the user but they are thrown every three letters in so that it screws with the filters.
It's kind of frustrating that Thunderbird doesn't offer any flexibility in its spam detector.
The site http://xxxtoolbar.com/ tries to install a malicious program as XPI.
Is this a proof of acceptance or is it an alarm signal?
who hates Mozilla? Argh! It's got some decent features, but I just don't like it (actually, I hate it with a flared-pink passion). What, exactly, is it that I'm missing that makes this the end-all be-all?
I signed this
Every time there's a Mozilla story on Slashdot, several people make this comment and they all get modded up to +5. SeaMonkey (the suite) receives a very small amount of the official "Mozilla Foundation" support. It's essentially in maintenance mode, with only relatively minor work being done to it. Now *Gecko*, and the Mozilla-as-platform work, are still actively maintained, but that's not the same as working on SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey happens to benefit from work on Gecko, since both it, Firefox and Thunderbird run on the same engine, but a very small percentage of work going on now is beneficial only to SeaMonkey.
Compare the new features in Mozilla 1.7 to the new features in Firefox 0.9/Thunderbird 0.7. I think you'll find very few that are limited exclusively to SeaMonkey, and vastly more that are found in the new apps but not the suite. The suite is minimally supported because some major coporations and organizations have rolled it out and contribute back code, money, etc. to keep it going, but it's definitely not even close to the main development focus as the new apps are.
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E.g. with a group of tabs on the tab bar Mozilla: click on tab, all tabs open & start loading Firefox: you get dropdown; for maximum hassle, the choice I want(Open in tabs) is always at bottom. Nor have I found way to set "add tabs" versus "replace tabs" preference.
To get a group of bookmarked tabs to open in addition to your already opened tabs in Firefox, do the following:
1) Open a new tab, type about:config, hit enter.
2) Find the entry called browser.tabs.loadFolderAndReplace, and double click it.
3) Change the value from true to false.
Tada! Now Firefox will open your bookmarked groups in new tabs, not replace your existing ones.
Additionally, you can simply middle-click on the bookmark folder name, and it will open all of the tabs contained in it. This way you don't have to go down to the "Open in Tabs" item at the bottom of the list.
Enjoy!
Won't handle calendar extension which worked fine in previous version -- of course this may be a calendar extension problem and not a thunderbird problem.
Firefox crashes as well -- when going to bank of america site and entering password and trying to log in, Firefox crashes and urges me to send in a bug report via talkback software (not quite a security risk I'm willing to take -- send in my user name and password from my bank?!!)
Hope these bugs get fixed quickly.
The latest mozilla works fine though.
Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but after installing Firefox 0.9 and then Thunderbird 0.7, I *still* can't click on a URL in Thunderbird and have it open Firefox at the appropriate page. Why the hell not? Isn't this fairly basic functionality?
It's ironic. The big problem with the all-in-one Mozilla suite, for me, was that it always tried to launch Mozilla Mail even though I had defined a different e-mail package as my system mailer. Now I have the opposite problem.
(Using Linux, on the off chance that anyone actually knows the answer.)
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
I actually took a look at this after seeing your post, since that glitch pisses me off too. It looks like it's not as simple as it seems to fix...I found the proper place in the code to change, but it had dire warnings that the search should be case-sensitive due to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121478 . They acknowledge that making the search case sensitive introduced this new bug we're seeing, but I guess the old one was deemed more important/annoying. There's probably a way for both fixes to co-exist, but nothing jumps out at me.
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BTW, if you're curious, this is the function in question: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/mailnews/ad
Rock over London, Rock on Chicago. Wheaties: Breakfast of Champions.
It's supposed to be much faster.
> Can believe you're finding it so hard, frankly.
Can or cannot?
You mean like crashing every time I try to save my local files to my remote web server?*
*Yes, this happens all the time. I started using FTP, even though the official word is that FTP is a no-no in conjunction with FP sites... just so I could actually update my pages without having to force a reboot.
Self-referential sigs are rarely entertaining.
Great, now do it in a language that Thunderbird actually understands.
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I am just wondering if Thunderbird is going to have a ripple effect.
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Assuming that anything before the @ is case-insensitive violates RFC2822 section 3.4. Actually, most mail clients violate this RFC, since it allows for just about anything before the @. I've even seen stupid web forms that assume you can't put a + in an email address! Anything after the @, OTOH, is case insensitive (RFC1035 section 2.3.3).
Just to point out for people needing a calendar, there is the Sunbird project which aims to build a standalone PIM application. While it is fairly good at the moment, it still needs a lot of work. Plus it needs a few more developers. If you have the time go help out. If they ever get round to integrating Thunderbird and Sunbird, we'll have one kickass Outlook killing application!! (don't mention Evolution - it really isn't cross-platform as such).
First off, I think Firefox and Thunderbird are terrific applications. I also applaud your desire to want people to switch to them. However, you need to exercise patience when trying to win over non-technical minded friends, for the same reasons I outlined in my previous post.
I can't wait to switch my father over to using Firefox and Thunderbird. However, I'm patiently waiting until they hit 1.0 releases, knowing that what is out there now is not stable.
Again, I hope you continue to want to convert people over from IE. However, doing so too soon could be more of a disservice to those people and the cause.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
I know it runs contrary to everything the Open Source movement stands for, but it might be worth paying real money for a real service.
Very, very valid point. However, you could also just find someone else who is still willing to give it away...
I'd be tired of that too. Fred has been dead for ages.
You made me laugh so much, I snorted beer out through my nose... what a waste of good beer!
For people who like peace and quiet. A phoneless cord!
I found that 0.7 is much more buggy than 0.5 ... at least on win32, the new mail notification in the taskbar is broken (no icon), enigmail does not work anymore, cross imap server moving of email did stop working ...
:(
At least for me a huge step backwards from 0.5
My biggest TB complaint is that invoking the spell checker takes WAY too long. On Windows, if I press F7 to spell check an email, TB freezes for 10-20 seconds. And the "no words misspelled" dialog looks too similar to the "here is a misspelled word" dialog. When I see one of these dialogs, I have to spend 5-10 seconds scrutinizing the dialog's small print to determine if I misspelled a word or if everything is OK.
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Does anyone know if you can get addresses in your LDAP server onto the junkmail whitelist?
I mean the part in the junkmail configuration screen where you can say "don't mark mail from people in my address book as junk" and pick either your personal address book or your collected addresses (but not both, wtf?). But there doesn't seem to be any way to specify an LDAP server that you have configured.
Did the deed and upgraded OSX thunderbird to 0.7, only to see all my settings vanish
yes really, 5 news server with dozens of groups, all gone, thankfully I don't use it for email (sticking to mail.app)
FFS moving to 0.6 did not do this
did they actually test this....
Just out of curiosity, what did Firefox render incorrectly? I use it to view my Yahoo! mail, and I never noticed a problem (maybe because I've been using it so long I don't know what it looks like in IE?)
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Am I the only person who thinks that Mozilla's bang-bang-bang 3 releases in a row of their most notable software seems kind of like a premature orgasm? Are they blowing their load too quickly? Should they have released more gradually and carefully? With the bugs I enountered with Thunderbird, I certainly think so. Firefox seems okay despite the rush... except for the fact that whenever I apply a new skin in Mac OS X - the scroll bar is missing. That's a bizarre bug that you'd think would've been caught.
People always critized microsoft that they cheated by having the browser in memory but this is a handy feature that kde does as well (well, gives you the option of how many konquerer's you want resident in memory).
I currently use ff,tb but I would use the suite if it had a file browser mode. And I'd love to be able to keep it in memory or even better components of it at least. Cause once you stray from kde/gnome, I find the choices if file browser a little lacking.
Now, I know there are tons of options out there, but I guess I prefer a similar browser to windows explorer, and I've tried the lot of em. From xfe, xfwm, endeavour, and just about every single one that looked remotely like a browser similar to windows explorer. It would be great if mozilla had this.
And off topic but I wish there was a way in linux to have things stay in memory. I know mozilla used to have this feature and it was removed to never return, but I think X or the wm should control this.
Say I'd like to have my file browser, file find,a text editor and maybe xchat always in memory. You should be able to specify applications that never leave the swap.
This could really be remedied easily by including a slightly more complicated shell script than the ones in the links we posted, in the t-bird and firefox linux distributions. All it would have to do (I imagine) would be to check for the most likely of several different standards for identifying the default browser, and launch it using the appropriate template. Or else add a visible preference for it in the config dialog. The first would cover 95% of linux usage, and the couple guys who use w3m as their main browser can write their own damn shell script. I think this is just a matter of nobody having the energy or time to add the tools to make things work right. I'd do it myself if I wasn't so lazy :-)
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
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Nvu is a standalone WYSIWYG web authoring system based on Mozilla Composer and may become an official Mozilla project in the future. Downloads are available for Linux and Windows. It's still young, but it gets better with every version.
I think what would be nice, if the calendar project were distributed with tbird, or say "thunderbird pro" and had an option of using an IMAP folder to store calendar data... "__calendar" and "__tasks" and have the option to use those, and hide in the imap folder list on the left.. then it could be used like outlook, without exchange.. :) addon public folders, etc... this would actually be a *VERY* nice thing IMHO, and utilize an existing standard (imap) for centralized calendars... maybe just have the calendar run its' own connections for data.. etc..
Michael J. Ryan - tracker1.info
In practice, most will be lowercase or the mailer daemon will make an attempt to be case insensitive, but on a *NIX system there is always a chance.
The domain, is of course, case insensitive, since DNS is.